Tbf half of the point of the Tech Priest is to take human flesh and mindset, and see it as weakness, they would understand what being human means, they just think they'll acheive something more
He could have just turned them into cyborgs rather than servitors. Plenty of Aug'd up augmeticist troops and mercs in 40k. Half the rogue traders for example.
@@nairda55555 They weren't made into servitors. That's just the photos that were used. They were just augmented with cybernetic implants, more along the likes of the lowest rung of Skitarii, the Hypapists. Still have free will, still more man than machine, just tougher than your average guardsmen.
@somerandomguy4281 towards the end ferrus' perspective did have a massive shift and he did want to make his legion focus more on being good people than just efficient
@@somerandomguy4281 Ferrus before his death at the start of the heresy wanted his legion to be more human, since he saw their obsession with replacing all their limbs and with cybernetics and lack of humanity early on as something that he needed to fix and denounce before it got out of hand. But with his death on Istvaan 5 they never got better. Hence why I say Ferrus would be disappointed at his sons today.
Well, the moment that a tech priest understand human psychology better than an iron hand is the moment you realize that if ferrus was still alive he would probably rage quit his legion in a matter of seconds
If Ferrus came back (and according to Emps it’s possible), he would make what Angron did to his Legion seem TAME by comparison in correcting what they’ve become.
Kind of reminds of how Vulcan had to temper his "sons" impulse to self sacrifice. It feels like Ferris needed to temper his sons cold nature, but never really got that part of his job. Now that hes gone it like that override trait just gets more more concentrated.
@@Wolfbane192 absolutely! Ferrus was nothing like the modern era IHs. He would be broken all over again simply seeing what has happened to his legion now.
That's why my homebrew Iron Hands successors have basically disavowed them. Instead of becoming stronger, they claim the Iron Hands broke during the Heresy and so have named themselves The Unbroken and see themselves as the only true sons of Ferrus Manus.
The Mechanicum really believes in post human transedance and letting go of those things as good things, where as the Iron Hands are a lot more... Practical... Frighteningly so. Iron hands are what most tourists think Mechanicum are, just because they turn prisoners into... Bleh... and engage in a bit of grimdark.
A space marine goes through way more brainwashing than a tech priest. That iron hand fully believes that being freed from flesh to become a higher efficiency combat unit is a blessing. The tech priestess is just some highly religious ( which is the default in 40k) girl who probably was interacting with normal people daily. She probably has more humanity in her than the entire company of the Iron Hands combined.
I'm an Iron Hands successor player. I love them because cyborgs are awesome. Cyborg supersoldiers are even better. But man, are they the worst bosses to work for. 😂
It's kinda funny how the Iron Hands and Dark Angles became bastards without dad around. It seems like the other loyalist legions retained their primarchs personality much better.
Said logistics officer then fearing becoming a servitor flees for his life while praying to any gods that might save him until eventually a many eyed vision whispers secrets on how not only to survive, but to use his knowledge and many acquaintances during his time as logistics officer to turn the blame on someone... being awarded a position as planetary governor for finding these accused traitors. Hearing whispers in his dreams of untold knowledge to effectively govern this planet, turning it into a paradise by comparison. The only catch is he must swear vengeance against the chapter who almost cursed him with robotic unthinking immortality, and use his position to bring those under him to the service of this new god of hope, wisdom, and Change. .... all just as planned.
@@FlameDarkfire Master the art of being "perfectly average" but not TOO average, or else you make a perfect subject for a control group... Which is very likely far, far worse than anything already tested. Maybe?
Iron Hand: "You will fail. Your sentimentality will be your undoing. The flesh is weak." Salamander: "I have heard you say that phrase on several occasions since our first encounter. I am not sure that you really understand what it means." Iron Hand: "You may have spoken with the Gorgon but do not think to school me in the teachings of my own primarch!" Salamander: "Perhaps I must if the lesson was not learned properly," Ari'i snapped back. "What you say, the flesh is weak, is only part of the saying. In forgetting the end you have lost the meaning. Vulkan said it in praise of Ferrus Manus, after the One Hundred and Eighty-Fourth Expedition when our Legions jointly liberated the ork-dominated worlds of the Shoxua Cluster. The fighting had been fiercer than anything we had expected. Your primarch said in jest that his arm was tired from killing so many orks, and Vulkan retorted with "the flesh is weak, but deeds endure". It was a celebration of what they had achieved, and a remark that even primarchs can die but what they do will last beyond their lifespan. It was a message of humility, not condemnation. Flesh is weak because it knows it must come to an end, and so we must rise above the concerns of flesh and leave a legacy that others will be proud to inherit. Ferrus Manus understood that. He was a harsh master, an unforgiving ally, but he was also a maker of things - a builder, not a destroyer. I find it strange how this conversation wasn’t passed down or even known through the history of the Iron Hands chapter.
It's like the saying "curiosity killed the cat" that many people still use as a way to warm people about getting into things they don't understand. The whole saying is "curiosity killed the cat, but satisfaction brought him back" meaning yes, it can be dangerous to explore the unknown, but finding something new is worth the risk. "The flesh is weak" is the part that people remember because it's just 1 thought, not a combination of 2 ideas.
They are a thousand times worse than the inquisition. Amber veil, Erasmus Crowl, Eisenhorn, Ravenor... Most named inquisitors are really cool people pulling really screwed up tasks. The "casual exterminatus" aspect of them is just one of these memes the fanbase just insist is true.
@@leandrocastello309Thank you for saying this, people tend to forget the stakes in which the inquisition has to operate. Could you imagine how our world would react to literal gods trying to corrupt the population?
@@leandrocastello309 Not every Inquisitor is like a certain asswipe who thought _attacking and killing the Space Wolves was a good idea_ (Imagine the Civil War that would have come about from that?) but it seems the ones who are get talked about more than the ones who aren't...
@@leandrocastello309 Eisenhorn has executed thousands for lesser heresies than he has personally committed. People only give him a pass because he's the protagonist of his stories, and his plot armor ensues he's right even when doing wrong. The guy is soo far off the reservation he can't even see it.
Nothing wrong with iron hands. There is no strength in flesh, only weakness. There is no constancy in flesh, only decay. There is no certainty in flesh but death. From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of steel.
@@SlavicWeaponsthe flesh is weak, but the deeds endure, do not condemn your flesh for its knows it must one day die, but be proud of your soul and resilience, to move past your flesh limits, that is humanity strength
And then the Agri world fell and then several Hive worlds in the surrounding sectors rebelled due to rationing and starvation. If only the Iron Hands had done their job instead of playing with the militia.
Yeah the "mere agri world" was such a stupid thing to say considering what they mean to surrounding worlds. But this IS the Iron Hands we're talking about.
Yeah, I don't care if the place giving me food is a hell hole in its own capacity being filled with so much fertiliser you can't leave the house without a biohazard suit. If it falls, every other inhabited planet in the system is f*cked, and the Imperium would be in no rush to rectify this.
Thats what i dislike of the IH writting. Sometimes the writter just has them do the most jerk and "efficient" option possible despiste being objetively counterproductive. You can spot the flaws even as you are just reading, let alone being cyborg with a superhuman brain.
@@leandrocastello309 It's the obsession with grimdark regression and so it's ironic that the super advanced guys can't understand basic military strategy.
Iron Hands are terrible to normal humans. They don't fight for you! They fight against the Imperiums enemies. They are NOT there to save you. If you can't save yourself you are weak. And a weak man is not worth saving. The Dark Eldar perform raids on Iron Hand recruitment planets and the Iron Hands KNOW this, and allow it to continue. It weeds out the weak and the surviving people will emerge stronger as better candidates. Iron Hands are fucked up!
At least the Iron Warriors won't turn everyone on the world into servitors. They'll hold as long as necessary to decimate their enemies. Even as loyalists, the Iron Warriors were more efficient than the Iron Hands, purely because of their combat doctrine (combat efficiency above all else) If evacuating civilians boosted the militia's morale sufficiently so they'd fight better than if the civilians were brought jn as additional soldiers, they'd be evacuated because that's the most logical solution
Regional Supervisor: "You have done well at your work and will be happy to know I giving you a promotion! I have already scheduled your raise, lobotomy appointment, and new uniform!"
The Iron Hands are so unhinged and yet ironic. If by some miracle their daddy comes back, I genuinely believe that he will wipe them out, despite seeing them as his sons.
Yeah I can see it. I’ll pull up a chair with some soda and popcorn and watch it. No doubt it will be worse than angron’s purge and the decimation of the iron warriors.
Yup. They're just another chapter. The tech priests get a pass on their crazy because they keep the ships flying and the cities running. Anyone else gets the inquisition.
Ferrus Manus is VERY dead. Dropsite Massacre on Isstvaan 3 and a fight against Demonic controlled Fulgrim made sure of that. Probably why the IH are so much worse off than when they started.
@@joseestevezhernandez558nah malevolent and iron hands pretty much have the same concept of brutality. Malevolent are just losers that want to sacrifice people regardless if civilian or not. Iron hands are pretending to be the admechs but a worst version.
@@joseestevezhernandez558me looking at the chaos boys flaying skull fucking giggerling over leaking puss and all the other shit......yeah no i have to hard disagree with you on that
she agreed with the tactical logic, she still disagreed that its not a "reward", theres a reason the AdMech use turning people into a servitor as a capital punishment, they are well aware that its very much not a reward and is infact a grave punishment
@@XiaoYueMao In fact, AdMech could see it being used as a "reward" as heretical behaviour because it dulls the blade of the punishment they want to mete out on criminals. If servitorization is meant to punish criminals, but it can just happen to anyone as a "reward", then the punishment aspect is lost and order is weakened, thus potentially impairing efficiency and lessening the authority of the AdMech.
@@kogorunthat’s something agri world grow and do, agri worlds just produce food, doesn’t matter what kind of food. Forge, fortress and hive worlds also use what you suggest but it isn’t sufficient to sustain their populations, they’re all reliant on agri worlds.
@@kogorun Azorees has it right. It's the minority of agri worlds that are covered from every inch with whatever grain equivelant Imperium uses (probably for the nobles to enjoy). Most agri worlds are moss factories and those worlds keep the Imperium running.
Iron Hands probably just turn everyone viable into significantly less hungry Servitors, and don’t care about anyone who isn’t viable to turn into a Servitor.
i have a custom chapter whose homeworld is an agri world, the marines often help with harvests and other work being it helps them connect to the people better
The fun part is that from technical PoV, power armor is simpler to make then servitors. And idk, both in lore where AdMech uses "servitisation" as capital punishment AND in games where they care about their Scitarii, Iron Hands guy feels like he insults Omnissiah by acting like such a prick. And what he does IS a waste.
@@Ragnarra well, the Borg were introduced about halfway through TNG, which I believe would place it a good bit younger than 40K. I could be wrong about that though
Honestly out of all loyalist chapters I feel like if the iron hands primarch came back he’d be half tempted to declare a decimation if not erradication
This is what I like about the Iron Hands. They strike the perfect balance of what a space marine is - uniquely cultured with unique solutions and most importantly, they are the heroes everyone is regrettably stuck with
They aren't "heroes" because they make no effort to save anything. Civilians, soldiers, equipment, resources, or anything else. I'd go so far as to say they aren't just not heroes, they're not even soldiers. They're augmented humans who have forgotten why they were created in the first place. They weren't created as the "superior human" to replace humans. They were created to DIE for humans. And a cultured solution to something that ISN'T the problem isn't a solution. It's just a second problem. In this case, the actual problem is that the planet they are standing on is an agricultural planet for several planets around it. Losing it means losing every other planet within dozens of lightyears. So instead of... I don't know, defending it, this Space Marine decides to repurpose the soldiers that showed themselves as effective into mechanical monstrosities because it is his view that it's a waste to defend a planet. Meaning all of the planets nearby, potentially with many trillions of people that combined would be able to produce significant output for the Imperium, are just FUCKED.
This, I like that there insane and just as monsters as there enemies. But too many people want the space marine to be generic good guy super soldiers, which I just find boring. It's one of the reasons the salamander and ultra marine come off as dull to me.
Thing is, even the Marines Malevolent would wonder what the fuck is wrong with them and I can see Ezekiel, Chief Librarian of the Dark Angels, bursting a blood vessel in their presence, and Ezekiel is one fucked up guy but he at least gives some level of care for the people, especially considering he was the one who ordered an Apothecary to help a woman give birth after her husband saved his life (his bionic eye belonged to the husband and he refuses to have it replaced with something better). The kid went on to become a Sister of Battle, last I heard.
@@starhammer5247 Let's not go taking lessons on whose sensibilities are offended by genetically enhanced super soldiers with mutilated emotions, who if remained apart of any regular human society might very well become literal serial killers. We have chapters that perform cannibalism, chapters that drink the blood of their serfs, chapters that once in a while drink the blood of ALL of their serfs at once, chapters that are unable to distinguish friend from for on the battlefield, chapters that use normal humans as cannon fodder for artillery, when you go back to the Great Crusade you can compare them to Night Lords and World Eaters. The Iron Hands have an entirely unique and alien culture, revolving around being as close to machine efficient as possible, this doesn't leave room for any human error. One of the things I like most about the Iron Hands is their general attitudes "I'm better than you and I know it", because they are 99% of the time
@@user-yf4gx4rf8h that one guardsman that served alongside the Adeptus Soritas would disagree, well he would if he had a head and the cognitive function to do so.
That's what happens when you can create things in a jar. The moment humanity will be able to create humans in a jar using high tech, the price of human life will fall to nothing
There is already cloning procedures for medical purposes (who needs prosthetics when you can literally copy your body to take the parts you lost?) and some questionable practices in the Inquisition, but the clones are braindead. Also, Krieg thing is produce soldiers in-vitro... Wait, didn't some elements of the Mechanicus produced "artificial people" for the sole purpose of turning them into servitors?
I expect most Iron Fathers would agree with the second half of your assessment, but disagree with the first half: a man *is* unpredictable. Sometimes he'll run when you tell him to fight, or fight when you tell him to report for servitorisation.
From text it sounds like they were to made into auxiliary, not into servitors. In this case it's more akin to skitarii, cyborg soldiers, not mindless automatons.
It's only negative to impress a space marine when it's a goddamned Iron Hand. "Hey we won the war!" Iron Hand: "Congratulations. Now line up for decimation." "Why?" "You won the war. But the fact the enemy even made landfall means your people were 'insufficient'. Decimation will ensure they will not let it happen again."
This is the same Chapter that sacrificed a company of Raven Guard over their ancestors failing during the Drop Site Massacre. Bombarded two great companies of Space Wolves, who were holding out against Khorne Demons. And let several Guardsmen regiments perish. -Loyalist
@ClubQRoundDeux Unfortunately, not everyone can be born a sane and hale white hetero male. It's hard, lil bro, but you'll have to bear with the reality.
in a sense he was being uncharacteristically respectful. He saw they had enormous potential as soldiers and gave them credit for winning against the Death Guard.
@@darksider2903 Except he did mourn towards the latter part of his life that his sons were turning themselves into machines and planned to have a sit down with them to basically explain that that was wrong. I won't deny that he was a brutal man, that's what he was known for, but he wasn't for people replacing their limbs with metal replacements. "...Already my Legion's warriors replace their shield hands with metal in my honour, and so they too are learning to doubt the natural strength of their bodies. They must be weaned off this practice before it becomes a mania for them. Hatred of what is natural, of what is human, is the first and greatest of the corruptions. So I record it here: when the time comes, I will strip my hands of their unnatural silver. I will instruct my Legion to recant their distrust of the flesh. I will turn them away from the gifts of the machine and bid them relearn the mysteries of flesh, bone and blood. When my father's Crusade is over, this shall be my sacred task. When the fighting is done, I shall cure my Legion and myself. For if fighting is all there is, if we may never pause to reflect on what such devotion to strength is doing to us, then our compulsion will only grow." - Ferrus Manus at the start of Wrath of Iron
@@darksider2903 He was brutal but quick and not wastefull , he didnt approve of sustaining high casualties and did not engage in drawn out slugging matches like Perturabo did , neither did he punish failure with immediate execution and decimations. And his own sons expected nothing less of him, than he did of them.
Ferrus Manus would not approve. He wanted to remove the metal from his hands and teach his sons the value of natural strength and the power of human will. He didn't kill the monster of Medusa because of his iron hands, but because of his strength and will to never give up. The Iron Hands are a tragic legion. His death only reinforced their reliance on technology, as they subconsciously feared that they would never be strong enough without further augmentation. "The fault is with my mind. I rely on the augmentation given to me by my metal gauntlets, so much so that the flesh beneath them is now little more than a distant memory...A day will come when I will strip it from me, lest I lose the power to master myself forever. Already my Legion's warriors replace their shield hands with metal in my honour, and so they too are learning to doubt the natural strength of their bodies. They must be weaned off this practice before it becomes a mania for them." - Ferrus Manus from "The Neimerel Scrolls"
How many people know nothing about how the Emperor actually was, to think he gave a fuck about particularly cruel but effective methods when he was totally cool with the legions doing the same.
Big E approved of the Mechanicus, the most cruel organization in the Imperium, just fine in the name of expediency to his plans. And this is 100% standard Mechanicus war doctrine on display. The Iron Hands just embraced their values.
@@bolikde9389 I keep hearing this, but I keep hearing that removing the Butcher's Nails would have killed him, and that they tried. Granted, that discussion during that scene presented how callous Big E was in other ways, but facts straight.
Yeah the iron hand don't really care what ferrus think. To the them, he is there loser father that got decapitated, the futher they are from his weakness the better.
@@venom0825 and that’s just pure, unrefined copeium they’re sucking down 😂 100% guaranteed that if he came back tomorrow they’d fawn all over him as they’re genetically predisposed to do so 😂
Worthless Agri world? Interesting to see and hear reactions of sector commanders and high lords of terra - they wouldn't be very accepting of such idea.
iron hand: "you have done a terrific job soldier, such loyalty deserves a reward" guardsmen: "im honored to serve sir, what is my reward ?" iron hand: " t o r t u r e "
Depends on the chapter. You run from Iron Hands, they would consider you welded into a urinal in their chapter monasterya great honor any peasant should leap at. While Vushan would give you a power thumbs up, a lasrifle and march you off to the line. Time and chance..
