Y’all gotta remember when this movie came out when advance machine learning and talking AI like we have in daily life was really a pipe dream. So it’s not really a surprise as to why they glossed over it furthermore i don’t think any extra exposition about them would add anything
The idea of a miniature sun that pulls in and vaporizes anything that gets too close is legitimately terrifying, not to mention it gets bigger the longer it lasts and will eventually become self-sustaining and could possibly even destroy the whole world this experiment is personally what makes Spider-Man 2 the scariest of the three movies for me
They're playing with something bigger than a nuclear bomb here, they should've used some basement in the middle of nowhere. Why would they need all these people, including his wife, this close to the actual experiment and why the Doc needs the arms directly attached to his body? He could've used them from afar for starters. Bah, too many risks that could be easily avoided.
@@queterian1526 I feel Otto had the arms attached to him so he could control them better since they are linked to his brain, but everything else you said was true
@@yhb4682 he's trying to make it powerful but also in smaller size just like Stark nuclear arc reactor. Making arc reactor to be smaller is almost impossible now imagine making a power of the sun to be smaller. That's why Peter asked Otto if he could stabilize the fusion reaction
I love how the arms are almost an afterthought for him. What a great way to have them be the thing that makes him a villain. Any other movie would have the arms BE the invention he’s presenting.
I think. the thought ran through their minds unconsciously, you can tell by how they involuntarily step back with some trace fear when they see him advancing toward them with his four mechanical arms stretched up like that.
I love how the scientists in these movies never take any safety precautions. Mechanical arms that can easily take control of his mind only blocked by a small, vulnerable, unprotected chip. No restrictions or protection for any of the onlookers. And done in his own apartment. All this guy does is put on safety goggles for himself.
My guess on that is that Harry and Otto were so confident that they’ll get the Nobel Prize that they thought they didn’t need safety precautions for the reactor
This is actually really accurate to real life, NGL. Doctors are the same when they are not forced to it. Also, the chip coming in contact with the energy surges from his nuclear reactor what such a remote possibility in his mind.
Or Norman being negligent and exposing himself to the Goblin serum without any precautions for himself (spiderman 1) Or the scientists in that sand mutation test asuming that Flint Marko was a bird instead of checking in there to see if it was actually a bird (spiderman 3)
If I had to describe this doctor Octavius it would be tragic he was an ambitious man who want to make everything better for everyone but his own Creations turned him into a monster I'm so glad he had a proper redemption in the end
@@jw_gojifan19 May be he's a good guy there who knows. Like, Peter learned not to trust just anyone from Mysterio, now his beliefs turned opposite once again.
@@adamnour5252 i don’t think so because I’m Spider-Man 2 when he tried to control the arms they turn white but when it’s red that means they are in control an fin the trailer the dot In the center of the tentacle hands it’s red
@@joerome671 well you do realize marvel trailer are often wrong like in infinity war but if that is actually in the film then explain why the tentacles retrieved usually when doctor octopus attacks he retrieves his tentacles to stand up with them so he may have full control
This is Dr. Octopus though. Even if he achieved something big he would still want nothing more than perfection. What's funny about Doc is that he overlooks the small impact of his creations and focuses too much on the big things in life.
@@bapakmublog9259 Stainless steel is still ferromagnetic. But if I were to figure out the material I’d say it’d have to be some kind of alloy with a melting point as high if not higher than Tungsten, I’d say titanium-based if we’re going with non-ferromagnetic (and given his body not negatively reacting to the nanowires, considering titanium isn’t a super reactive metal)
Harry’s inability to recognize his own best friend’s voice is really something else, makes him seem kind of thick skulled lmfao. Like- peter runs out- spiderman runs in and they both use the same voice
@@Deathpool_04 He heard Spiderman in the first movie tho because Peter talks as Spiderman like all the time LMFAO. And even without the voice...howd he not piece together that Peter always walks out before Spiderman walks in
@@kerrid5717 Thats wrong though. Watch the first movie again. “Spider-Man” never talks to Harry nor was there a moment Harry could hear Spider-Man’s voice. Harry, I think, only saw him at the parade which was his first time seeing him, he was either focused with MJ or how he got knocked in that scene but he never got close to Spider-Man. The one time he experienced “Spider-Man” walking in after Peter “leaves”, was the Otto demonstration which isn’t exactly enough to make him put together that Spider-Man is Peter. If that was happening often, yes, he should be able to figure it out but he only saw him do that once. You could’ve used a better example though like would Harry figure it out after seeing Peter punch Flash Thompson after doing like 3 backflips in the air?
I like how gracious he is at 1:40. He could have easily been a snob but he chose to dignify her comment with "How right you are." Like he's a nice guy and it's really the arms that bring out the worst in him or so the films logic goes.
I agree. Otto is a great example of something that I believe can be applied to most of the Spider-Man movie villains. None of them were legitimately evil. They were just corrupted by outside influences. Take Otto, for example. He was a genius scientist who only wanted to use his intelligence to help humanity. But when the experiment went haywire and the inhibitor chip was fried, the AI of the arms overtook his brain and corrupted him.
This is just a tangent, but I always found it a little odd that Otto chose to produce a fusion reaction in a Manhattan warehouse. Lol, its still really cool though.
I love the hospital scene just as it starts and the doctors explain his condition. Imagine the needles that extend into his spine has melted and fused the external spinal rig to his back. And the fact that the docs were considering a spinal fusion from c7 all the way down to t12 would mean that otto would not be able to bend down to tie his shoes anymore. The arms + the spinal rig is literally holding his spine together.
that's a god catch my friend, truly never noticed! totally adds up to the portrait shot, that close up is meant to show the disbelief of Peter in that moment and how shocked he was about what just happened. this little detail makes it even better. great eye again :D
After watching Far From Home, it's kind of insane how Dr. Octavius spent so much time and resources creating his energy machine, and Tony Stark just...made a smaller, more compact, less explodey sun version in a cave. Like no shade to Dr. Octavius at all, it's just shocking how better the technology is in the MCU compared to these films are and how we just take it for granted.
When he hold’s Tony’s arc reactor, he’s impressed by it, but he’s no longer controlled by his ambition and obsession. I honestly think he succeeded after a third try.
@@goliatheater67373 You see, I'd agree with you, but up to a point. That's where suspension of disbelief comes into play. Sure, you are going to accept that a work of fiction has, well, fictious concepts, but there is a point where it becomes too much, or rather has less thought put into devising that concept. Spiderman 2 had a scientist doing research in a laboratory, things going wrong, some explanation and whatnot. Spiderman NWH just decided, hey, we'll call this fabricator and it basically makes everything you ever imagined because we were too lazy to actually write a believable plot device. In short, I'm commented replying to the original comment that talks about us taking for granted this new tech like it's some actual thing, while in truth, it's easier writing.
What makes Dr. Octopus one of my all time favorite villains is that he's just a man who wants to help make the lives of people better. He's willing to go to great lengths to achieve that, but in the end it all backfires on him. He has noble intentions, but didn't realize what danger he was putting himself & others into. That's what makes him such a great character!
Otto was so close, I wish there was an alternative ending where his experiments didn't backfire. But I guess that's what makes this movie so great, it feels grounded and real.
If Norman had been around, he would have weaponized Otto's smart arms as well as his research. Still, it was pretty incredible how Otto's inventions worked. Too bad the fusion device went crazy.
I never noticed how many times Octavius had control in the hospital scene, when the arms all come towards the guy with the saw towards the end, they pause and are white, but then they flash to red and kill him. When hes stumbling out they are white, even when he flips the taxi in fear, but when the sirens come they turn red and take over again. So...does that mean he was somewhat awake and could see what was happening through the arm cameras and tries to stop them from killing the one doctor with the saw?
@@IaMaPh1991 making fusion reactors hot enough isn't a problem at all. We've already made some that can reach temperatures hotter than the sun itself. The only issue is containing the plasma inside of it. To be more specific, getting the atoms in these reactors to combine in the first place. The sun can create nuclear fusion thanks to it's massive size and gravity. But since we can't make a fusion reactor with the literal mass of the sun, we just have to find a way to get all of these atoms to fuse.
I love how Doctor Octopus’s arms are basically their own separate entities. It actually reflects a lot to how a real life octopus’s body functions. Octopuses are absolutely fascinating! They are one of the smartest creatures on planet Earth, however their intelligence works very differently than that of most other creatures. Unlike vertebrates who have a highly centralized nervous system that is controlled entirely by a central brain, cephalopods (like the octopus) have multiple neuron clusters and ganglia throughout their body. These clusters mean the octopus basically has multiple brains (9 to be exact) that control each part of the body on their own. One cluster is the central dominant brain that receives most of the information gathered, while the other 8 control the arms and basically act as “mini brains” that can operate independently from the main central brain. This allows them to solve problems that are impossible for most other creatures. Otto designed his arms with the same purpose in mind, but unfortunately as we all know, it didn’t go as planned.
It was cool seeing Raimi make a few nods to Evil Dead in the OR scene. It’s also funny how the doctors draped the mechanical arms like the rest of his body lol
@@jw_gojifan19 They are using practical arms and they appear to be the same design as the original ones possibly meaning these are indeed the same ones.
Just imagine the idea of listening to the same sound a teacher with really, long acrylic nails would make if she dragged her nails all along the green on a chalkboard! Can you believe it?😱
And almost 20 years later Doc Ock will hold one of Tony Starks Arc Reactors in his hand and literally "have the power of the sun, in the palm of his hand"
I was in the Marines, our ACOGs had tritium in them. They amplified light for the red "crotch" or "chevron". Whenever they said tritium in training, I thought "Precious tritium." Lol
I don’t think Ock is really a villain at all just a guy with a huge ambition and truly wanted to change the world and make it a better place sadly he becomes a victim of his own creation his arms were controlling him not the other way around.
I've been thinking about it recently, but he was a villain. Not pure evil, but he couldn't admit he miscalculated and let go of his dream until Peter convinced him otherwise.
I remember when I first saw this movie in theaters in 2004, and having no knowledge of what Octavius was all about, or how Dr. Octopus came to be. So I was eager to see what happens in the movie. As soon as they showed the chip on those arms, I already knew what was going to happen. Something would go wrong with the machine; the chip would somehow be damaged beyond being functional; the arms would go rogue, taking Octavius down into the abyss of evil with them; etc.
So by linking into the arms he instantly has 4 more appendages to focus on, without a super brain wouldn't he act more like a boy learning to juggle, he would need to focus on more than his own actual hands, it wouldn't be effortless.
Well the arms technically have a super brain of their own. The way that the ai is able to control the things he does and make their own choices I think makes it so he doesn’t really have to do that
Man i miss movies like this. One antagonist, developed incredibly well. Current MCU movies are rammed with villains. They just dont get good development. Though tbf SM3 kind of started the trend though.
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