Spider-Man: No Way Home (Kinda) Fixed MCU Spider-Man 

Hello there

Been waiting for your thoughts on this

Great video man

What did you think about Daredevil's appearance? I know you have some thoughts on that since...well...his show was a masterpiece in every conceivable way.

His entire place in the mcu was his origin story

Yup. It looked so beautiful with those vibrant colors and camera pan.

I dont like Jon Watts (AT ALL), but that shot was incredible, it reminded me of what Stan Lee said years ago: "Spiderman's worst enemy isnt the Green Goblin or Doc Ock, is Jonah Jameson"

I love that scene so much. So beautiful and it's so true to Spider-Man's character!

It felt almost like something out of blade runner

@@Jose-se9pu Jon Watts isn’t the only problem. It’s the lack of allowance he’s given to freely bring his vision to life because of the MCU standard that holds him and every other MCU director back.

I was kind of disappointed there was no visible damage on Norman while peter was punching him.

You have to take two things into account: this version of Peter not only restrains himself, he doesnt punch people, in this scene he is not only punching someone, that someone is laughing back, and you see just how confused Peter is, this is not Thanos, this is a human being, and he is enjoying a beating, a beating he is giving him with the super strength he never uses against other people. While Dafoe steals the scene (and makes you wonder what the fuck where they thinking when they casted Jared Leto as an old Joker), Tom''s confused expresion while seeing such chaotic nature is also pretty good.

@@ibrahimalee23 Tobey's beating of him in S1 2002 is much simpler but at the same time more visceral. Maybe that's the point, Tobey is the strongest Spider-Man out of all three.

@@clint5406 wrong

@@clint5406 true

True.

Yeah I know

yeah fax

Ned's grandma had as much screentime as Tobey and Andrew, T & A going through a portal to a parallel universe is the most apeshit thing that ever happened to them, yet they were calm & chill & explaining themselves to MJ, that scene is WRONG my dude

@@princepeachfuzz ikr

I agree

That's exactly how I felt, it was actually more thematically appropriate in my opinion.

can you show which part of the vid that is. im too lazy to watch the whole thing. tq in advance

@@nasryukendo1535 You mean the part where he's talking about the reveal?

@@Liquidruby5 yea the part where he mentions about the “non-epic” reveal

He only focuses on the negatives because that’s what gets him views

Dafoe was a fucking unit in this film. All other villains were mostly cgi and didn't feel that scary. Goblin was raw and brutal, because most stunts were practical and Dafoe, obviously, did it in person. 20 years, yet he as awesome as he always was

@@dumonga9594 facts

@@dumonga9594 He can’t contain it, it’s self-sustaining now

@@dumonga9594 Generally, when providing criticism, you focus on what can be improved, rather than what is obviously solid.

Exactly. The homecoming trilogy is his origin story. Each film he learns a different lesson in becoming a hero. And it makes it that much harder here when he has to give up everything because we got to see him actually work to get those things. And then bam he has to lose them.

That's what I really love about this movie

It’s called an arc

I agree, I just think it wasn’t needed

Yea that’s fine and all… but then remember how ppl complained man of steel was gonna do that. And they botched on synder

I know

The ending just made me so happy for the possibilities. It’s so good !

Not only that, but I think the light hearted nature of the last two films makes this decision so much more devastating and impactful. I also think this film elevates the other two now that we see the complete arc!

He also CHOSE not to try and make Ned and Mj remember him either, because he didn't want them to be roped into his own mess and have their lives be in danger just by knowing him.

Well, actually, in the comics Peter first attains his powers, he becomes a celebrity and uses his powers selfishly. It's only after he loses Uncle Ben that he finds the motivation to be selfless. Uncle Ben's death is what births the Peter Parker who makes sacrifices to do the right thing. Losing Ben grows Peter's heart. In other words, in the comics, Spider-man is born first, then Peter Parker follows afterwards. On the other hand, Holland's Peter Parker is already a selfless person. Not comic accurate, definitely not realistic, but there's still a lot to be liked about Holland's Parker. In the MCU movies, the goodness in Peter Parker has always existed, just as the goodness in Ben Parker has always existed. But he doesn't really become Spider-man until he sacrifices the Iron Man tech and the relationships that supported him, and continues to overcome all ordeals that silently discourage him from doing the right thing. In other words, MCU Peter Parker had no problem doing the right thing, but of course he would do the right thing, because doing the right thing was never a challenge for MCU Spidey. He never had to sacrifice anything concrete or permanent until this movie.

@@youtubeviolatedme7123 Did you see FFH? This comment violated me.

The internet and all the memes exaggerated it to death, I'm glad they showed up in the way that they did too. :')

Yeah it’s the most spider man thing to have them show up in some grandma’s house. Plus it was cool to have some Filipino rep in that scene

Most of it didn't happen that way because tobey maguire actually didn't want to take the spotlight for Tom holland, look it up , he didn't want to over shine him so let's thanks tobey maguire for that.

I don't know about that. Him saying Pizza Time after entering the portal with a pizza box would've been good!

@@dreypez a blooper would be nice. But you know, sometimes we do have to get serious too.

So instead they let them be conjured by some kid with Strange's ring? Despite it taking the worlds top surgeon and months of training just to make a circle? Seems like an easier cop out.

@@346Yoman Yes because Ned is a humble person and believes immediately in magic, remember how skeptical and egotistical Strange was for the longest time? There’s a difference there, belief can play a huge part in anything. Not to mention that Tobey and Andrew had an awesomely humble entrance, very unique compared to the flashy superheroes. Remember how Spider-Man can relate to all of us almost as if he’s like an everyman?

@@NESShadows NO WAY HOME destroyed dr strange character arc for me. He has always been adamant about not using his magical abilities to impact the fate of the universe. Yet he used spell that works on a multiverse level for peter. I can understand that was because they were friends and strange wanted to help him. But why the hell did he changed conditions of the spell according to Peter like he was taking orders from him. He could have simply used the spell without any conditions or could have simply stopped using the spell to make peter understand what will happen if something goes wrong. They made him lose to Spiderman especially in the mirror dimension where he is in CONTROL using "MATH". Even though he has 2 PHd's and is a doctor. WOW! And in top of that they made ned easily open a portal when it took strange many weeks of harsh training to accomplish. If you remember Dr strange movie the sorcerers have to extract energy from other dimensions to summon shield , swords , portal ,etc it's not as easy as wearing the sling ring and making a wish. So they basically made a clown out of the master of mystic arts and disrespected the whole concept of mystic arts. Hopefully they redeem him in the upcoming sequel😶🙏

@@imposter6952 Wow you don’t get it do you? “We’ve used it for a lot less” Strange said. He sees Peter wanting to help others over himself. What did Strange learn in his movie? “It’s not about you.” Then what else does Strange say? “Wong, hasn’t he been through enough?” And then he didn’t just change the spell for Peter, he changed it for himself an extra time so he wouldn’t forget Peter. I don’t know if you ever finished high school and went to college but math is considered a perfect language. One mistake and the whole thing falls apart, when done right it cannot he disproven. Peter used his impressively high IQ (he’s smarter than Strange in academics as compared to the profession of being a surgeon since Strange went to a focused degree in college while Peter is still in high school) and quick thinking to use the perfect mathematic principles with his webbing to trap Strange who wasn’t expecting it so it caught him off guard. Strange without using his powers is basically just a guy unless he uses a protection spell which he didn’t because he and Peter were not trying to kill each other. Strange’s focus was on the box over everything. And Ned being able to open up portals makes a bit of sense when you consider that Ned is a humble person and believes in magic unlike Strange in the first movie who was arrogant and stubborn to a fault and couldn’t accept supernatural things for a long time. They say that the power of belief and determination triumph over those who only have interest. Belief in the mystical arts from the get go seems like a key factor in being able to perform. I’m not saying Strange didn’t struggle but it was also a mental battle with himself, which culminates in his arc when he learns from the Ancient One “It’s not all about you”

@@NESShadows You don't get it do you?? Ned being able to use mystic arts doesn't make any sense at all. You should definitely rewatch dr strange movie or atleast the part where the ancient one explains him how mystic arts works ,you will understand why it bugs me. There's a lot to it and just being humble and having belief in magic is not sufficient. Its like telling you know whole concepts of geometry just because your calculation speed is good. Ned easily opening portals just by wearing a sling ring and making a wish to open portals just disrespected all sorcerers working hard in kamar taj , the origin of Dr. stange and the whole concept Of mystic arts. I already told you that i am ok with dr.strange using his magical abilities to help peter BUT him altering the conditions of the spell just bcoz peter asked him to doesn't make sense coz true strange would never put the whole universe in danger just to fix Peter's problems in which strange had no part to play. Peter created those problems in his life ,not strange and yet he decided to help him bcoz 'ITS NOT ABOUT YOU" isn't that enough , why did they destroyed his character by making him put the whole universe at risk ? As you mentioned , the message given by ancient one "It's not about you" is violated in this movie bcoz strange putting the whole universe in danger for solving his friends problem doesn't make any sense. The thing is ,the movie was fun to watch but the mistakes and number of plotholes in this movies has disappointed me in some manner

@Toad Is Forgotten you are everywhere in defence. .....are you Hitop ??

@Toad Is Forgotten If you’re gonna use all caps for something as petty as that, you’re in no position to call someone immature.

@Toad Is Forgotten you really calling others a child when you said that anything that isnt 'Raimi' movies level of enjoyment is objectively bad or mediocre at best which literally screams "this isnt the flavour I asked for therefore I dont like it" mentality in hopes of getting exactly what you want.

It's almost like people usually criticize something by explaining how to do it better by using example

@@rockstar-made You better not treat your children that way if you ever decide to have some.

Defoe killed it as Goblin. I'm bummed he rarely brought him up at all.

@@thespectaculargamernerd8114 He was too busy desperately looking for things to criticize. Man got literally everything he wanted but is still too fragile to admit that an MCU Spider-Man movie did things he liked.

@@gabrielfarnsworth4666 I get what he disliked but I barely know what he liked from the movie or what fixed MCU Spider-Man, it was 90 percent talking about the CGI and shots. What about the shots that worked?

Duh he’s not gonna talk about stuff that’s good, his whole brand his hating on Mcu spidey

Tbh he missed all the good parts of movie

Toby also shows that, doing the right thing doesn't always gives you a reward and doing the right thing in itself is a selfless act as he was stabbed right after stopping Tom from killing the goblin.

Exactly

damn you really like using *bold*

@@e.a.7749 Quite a *bold* move, if I do say so myself

@@e.a.7749 I feel that it adds effect when reading something important.

the film pretty much gave what he wanted from his previous video regarding NWH its clear that he has bias on Tom's spiderman and this is coming from a guy who still prefers andrew and Tobeys

There most definitely not a solid plan for the spidey trilogy which is why this film did so much repair work and heavy lifting

Can’t rly say the “magic” was there all along Bc it definitely wasn’t lol it just took them longer then usual to finally find the true craft of a Spider-Man movie. And 2 films later they finally did it

HiTop Films when the new Spider-Man movie script doesn't copy the original Raimi trilogy word for word:

@@whyhe11othere he said he still likes the movie, but his biggest criticisms is visually, which is literally true, and the writers issues, you guys say a bunch of shit as if he didnt watch the movie and then comment as if you didnt watch the video

So true....he's do desperate.

It's a fucking movie about a comic book character. Get over yourselves

@@Sketchman911 this is a channel about comic book movie analyses with production and effort put into them. I expect good comic book movie analyses.

@@TheDeadmanstrolling sounds like you want an analysis that aligns with your opinion

@@ApexVenator I want an analysis that's not hypocritical compared to what he said he wants.

And still gave it 2.5/5 stars in his leterboxd

Yet he finds a way to bitch and moan about something

Like who gives a single shit about how the film was shot

He just wants reasons to complain and praise Sam Rami by shitting on the MCU

@@rubensosa1270 This is possibly his dumbest complaint.

Well said

You are so right

Completely agree.

So a big waste of time thye couldve done that in 1 movie lol

@@renatoarauz7784 You referring to the spider boy thing as one movie? If so then yeah I getcha. Far From Home didn't really need to exist, but it does. If you're talking about the number of films it takes to become spider-MAN instead then it did take one film. This film. Lots of things in No Way Home mirror the other two Spideys' origins and the timing is in a good spot in-universe as well. Tobey's Peter was in his Senior year of highschool and graduates during his first movie. Tom's Peter is in the second semester of his Senior year of highschool and is working on getting his GED at the end of NWH. Andrew's Spidey got a monster head start and graduated a whole movie after becoming Spider-Man. Talking strictly age, there was no time wasted whatsoever. And talking real world time, if anything, Tom's spidey showed up too soon. Amazing 2 was just under 2 years removed when the MCU gave us Tom on the big screen. Would it have been nice to get a movie like this sooner? Absolutely. But it's here now and that extra movie helps make what Tom's Peter goes through in NWH hit a bit harder. We get to watch an established child get his whole world flipped upside down after 5 movies/real years of being fairly happy-go-lucky in the face of catastrophe.

Yeah I know

Yup, sounds like hes just presenting his opinions and feelings in the tone you'd typically use to present a fact.

True

@@khaosform8525 yeah, pretty much just typical video-essayist bullshit

100% bud. Hitop is a pretentious fuckwit who acts like he knows the exact way Spidey should be portrayed. Honestly, what set me off the most is him saying rather Watts' didn't really "craft" this film with love and care. Even though literally everyone has said he really put everything into it. What an insult to an actual talented film-maker.

Yeah I know

Are you talking about how he said peters mission wasn't in empathy? Cuz if so he was meaning before peter talked to aunt may so he was actually praising it

@@bigd4wg510 That was praise?

@@bigd4wg510 lol no he wasnt

@@JohnSmith-lt1ck yeah he was meaning how aunt may talked to him and made him realise he had to save the villains instead of sending them away to die

Thank you. I think he just won’t like anything except the Sam Rami trilogy.

Exactly my point dude. I have no clue how this man always finds flaws in a great and beautiful movie that essentially always end up "breaking him". Does the CGI (which I agree is not the best in some scenes) really play a big part in this story of a comic accurate and responsible Peter Parker we always wished for from the MCU movies? And this movie also had some stunningly shot sequences but HiTop doesn't seem to acknowledge them anywhere. Idk man he just seems too captured by the raimi movies to even say good stuff about the mcu movies. He acts like the movie did huge injustice to the villains but that's not the case at all, the legendary villains were much more than just a couple meme dialogues brought back from old movies.

There are a couple good videos on why a lot of the points he makes are provably false, not to mention in ffh he literally says that he hated the fact that they used cgi for the mysterio trip scene when IN UNIVERSE it was cgi.

@@akhat452 In my opinion this movie makes all the other mcu Spider-Man movies a lot better. It doesn’t have to be Sam Ramis trilogy reskinned it is its own thing and showed Spider-Man grow up in a universe where the avengers are there with this version of Spider-Mans philosophy he wouldn’t just sit around while the world is falling apart he would help and this movie stripped all that away and completely rounded his character into a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. I think it was a phenomenal movie and I’m very happy with the future of Tom hollands Spider-Man

@@ManlyBog6448 if it’s not tobey reskinned it won’t work for him

The best swinging scene we've gotten from Watts is when he's going to the woods face electro in the sunset

@@matheusjezini maybe your right. That was fine but I still felt like I was watching him swing instead of feeling like I was swinging with him if you get what I mean? My problem with the end swing (not the scene itself or what it represented I thought it was all perfect) is he sometimes he swings out of the camera shot and instead of the camera going to him it waits until he comes back down to camera level. I do wish we got something similar to the Raimi swings because Spider-Man swinging around New York in Christmas with all the lights and snow should be a beautiful and incredible shot but instead I was just going “what a beautiful ending, I think that suits perfect, I can’t tell though because I CAN’T SEE IT😂😂”

@@liamhemstock2286 My personal favorites are TASM swinging scenes. You really feel the freedom, the satisfaction factor is turned up to 11 and you feel the gravity. I love it

@@matheusjezini they nailed it in TASM 2. I do wish they did more of with the first person swinging scene. It was cut up into small chunks but I wish it was like a 30 second no cut scene of him swinging around all in first person because then you would be actually felt like you were swinging AS Spider-Man rather then WITH Spider-Man. I hope if they do TASM 3 (or just the next MCU Spider-Man 4) they do a one take swinging first person scene. That would be incredible

@@liamhemstock2286 It still wasn't as good as BvS. But because BvS wasn't Disney the critics made it a flop. Funny how Antman gets like 90% on Rotten tomatoes but no one remembers the film and BvS is talked about even today but gets like 24%

he said the best spider man movie was tasm2 so if it could be more like that i gusse

@@donxx1206 uh no? His favorite is Spiderman 2 not TASM 2

@@vesha6274 well he somehow ranked no way home UNDER amazing spider-man 2 lmfaoo

@@garywebb2432 that cannot be true lol. Man is bellow the rabbit hole. Damn

@@danielz-v4083 I'm serious he posted his rating on twitter

Yeah I know I disagree on the scene where tobey and Andrew appear in ned’s house cause I thought the scene was great

Amen i agree so sad, i disliked and unsubed

@@mathiasfrandsen5468 Yeah there’s better people for you to get movie advice from. HiTop is pretty low in terms of helpful movie analysis. I don’t think I was ever subbed to this guy, nor will I ever until his content gets better.

@@markusandrew3680 yeah me too

@@mathiasfrandsen5468 I think as a fan of Spider-Man, this is the most smart route to go with this character but I know this Shit head will bash the hell out of it, but if they make A Spider-Man 4 with Tobey Maguire and the movie is somehow horrible he’ll probably give it a review saying it’s a Cinematic Masterpiece.

I also kinda dig the fact that the past 3 movies is basically his origin story

@@torment4119 u forgot ?

This peter has never shown true hatred like this. He stopped pulling his punches. He wasn't afraid to hurt someone. It felt like the start of a dark internal struggle that we'll hopefully see more of.

​@@KingNyanCat On top of him surely feeling at least a hint of resentment over having to give up everything at the end. Hopefully they keep planting more seeds like that, it'd be perfect material to work with for when he eventually gets the symbiote.

@@torment4119 I don't I would have liked to see more progression but if you like it that's fine

Finally actual consequences

@Judge Jerry Poppins Funny part is that his points aren't actually all points he should be doing if he wanted Peter to be an accurate adaptation, Peter in the comics is someone who can lose his temper easily, someone that has problems in school even if he is smart but he still needs to get up which is basically half Andrew Garfield half Tom Holland

@Judge Jerry Poppins truth.... All he knows is Raimi,not comics

@Erik Kemeey ???

Nah the key to a good Spider-Man is having a dead uncle on god fr fr no cap

I think a 60-40 (give or take) ratio of man-spider is more effective than 50-50, particularly for an origin story and/or first film. Raimi's first film was probably thereabouts.

@@mikeexitslol

@@watchforever1724 Hi, I hope you're having a good week, and I hope you and your loved ones are doing well.

I agree

@@didkddididj1914 this is one of those movies where the more I think about it the more I love it.

Eh they did kinda compete , they webbed eachother on sight to find out that Tobey is faster and has a stronger spidey sense . Also Andrew holds that personally when they talk about places they like to hangout and decompress at , tobey sais it’s the Chrysler building for him and Andrew sais Empire State and reminds him “ Empire State has a better view “ pretty much saying “my spot is better “ and tobey just lets it go .

I loved Andrew in this. He was so happy to be there.

@@anthonydominguez4744 I don't think the "where do you go to decompress." Was full on competition. I think it was just them kinda jabbing in good fun. "Better view." "It does have a sweet view." Like that just shows me Tobey wouldn't ever give into the younger Peters' antics cause he's the most mature of the group. The Andrew Peter vs Tobey Peter was cute, and probably because Tobeys more honed Spider Sense kicked off. He was the one to lash out first. They both do THE EXACT SAME MOVE but Tobey gets the upper hand by webbing the web shooter. It was just a nice natural way to go "Oh yeah nah nah Tobey is the legacy character lets give him that respect." Without ragging on Tom or Andrew. Both other Spiders get standout moments. Andrew gets to save MJ. Hell Tom gives Tobey peter a run for his money when Tobey is stopping him from impaling Goblin. He nearly makes Tobeys knees buckle. That again shows me they respect all 3 Spidermen.

Nah TALK

It helps that we can see his face in NWH, his expressions really help convey the intimidation and just how insane he is

What is important is that he hasn't lost his character in the new movie. Honestly he's better than thanos

that whole seen in the condo where peter's spider sense went off had me on the edge of my seat

The dichotomy between Norman and the Goblin definitely hit hard in NWH, Willem Dafoe acts his ass off to rip that empathy from the audience

This was exactly my thoughts thank you

Technically this is far from the first time Peter's been born into a world with other superheroes. By the time Spider-Man was introduced in the comics, the Fantastic Four had already been around for about a year and were actually pretty instrumental to his early years, as he grew up being inspired by them and even attempted to join them unsuccessfully. The F4 even consider him like an extended family member now

Trust me they could’ve done much more with the character than a live action Spider-Verse if it wasn’t solely made to sell toys.

I really disagree. This isn't the best they could do with Tom Holland's version of Spider-Man. Look, personally to me, the problem isn't just Peter/Spider-Man idolizing the Avengers and learning from them, the problem is that the (MCU) Spider-Man films are comedic-toned. Don't get me wrong, I like a comedic take as well and I did enjoy the films, but it takes away realism from the story. It contradicts with the Spider-Man that I and many others idolize. Being superhero has consequences. Your family gets in danger, you can't keep up with your life, relationship problems, a possible *identity crisis* , etc. There's nothing like that in those films. Take an example, in Spider-Man Far From Home, it really was unbelievable to me that nobody (Peter's friends/schoolmates and Happy and Fury/Talos) died when Beck even had full control of thousands of drones of Stark Industries (and Ned and MJ were to be killed by him as they knew his secret that he is not a hero). In fact, even when MJ hits a drone with, I guess halberd, the drone starts spinning speedly firing bullets 360⁰; but yeah no one gets shot. Neither Happy who juuust survived from getting shot while saying "How does Cap do that?" Like, how much coincidents can there really be? There were like 4-5 people there and EVERYONE survives! The previous Spider-Man franchises did handle these things better, uncle Ben dies in Spider-Man, Harry in Spider-Man 3 and Gwen in the Amazing Spider-Man 2. And the characters feel very unrealistic too, due to the way they act for comedic sake. Once again take the final act of Far From Home. Flash Thompson is 'recording' or taking pictures via his cellphone at a time when he is about to get killed. What is this, who does that? Again, it works great as a comedic scene, but is unrealistic. A serious story like that where Mysterio gets access to MANY Stark Industries' drones, gets ruined due to the direction (nobody dies and the jokes are still on). Are you expecting me to consider Mysterio a threat, who can't even kill a bunch of normal kids (plus an adult)? Also about aunt May, she had been quite supportive of Peter being Spider-Man, not because she feels it's good to fight for people (in pre-No Way Home films), but because she thinks her nephew is cool. Plus, she also doesn't worry about him contrary to Marvel's Spider-Man (2018) game where she confirms she did worry yet was proud of who Peter was. And finally coming to the 'best Marvel movie of all time': Spider-Man No Way Home. People say there're lots of consequences in this film, but I think there are just a couple of 'em. First off, the world knows Peter Parker is Spider-Man, so what do you think should happen to him? A possible arrest till the court could convict him guilty, attacks on the people close to him, attack on Peter himself. Who knows crime lords (like Tombstone, Wilson Fisk, etc.) may cleverly take advantage of the situation and propose some offers to Spider-Man if he agrees to do what they say. Maybe due to his secret identity gone, it leads to a social boycott and it becomes difficult from him and his aunt to earn money. Oh yeah, no money problems allowed in the MCU, right? So yeah, there is no real consequence out his identity being public. How could even the people around him be so safe while he is down hunting bad guys like Doc Ock on the bridge? In the Civil War comic, aunt May dies as Spidey's villains find out who he really is after Tony persuades him to give up his secret identity (if you're gonna remind me of aunt May dying in No Way Home, let me tell you that it had nothing to do with the secret identity thingy but with Peter trying to cure the multiverse villains who eventually betray him). The only consequence *out of Spider-Man's identity* is that he and his friends couldn't get into the MIT. Oh, sorry, they will eventually get in. Summing it up, the only consequence in No Way Home has been Peter losing aunt May, and everybody forgetting him as if he never existed leading to separation from his friends. There's just SO MUCH you could do with Spider-Man's identity reveal, but NO, they did nothing. Honestly, Spidey was never unmasked before so it could've been a great time to tell the story with realism: how a kid from Queens suddenly is under pressure and force, exposed to attack from many criminals, villains and even the civilians whom he faithfully rescues, just after the world figures out who Spider-Man is! This plot is so fascinating, but the movie overlooked it and focused more on the spider-verse instead. Imagine how more impactful Tobey and Andrew's conversation with Tom on the rooftop could've been if Tom had suffered the consequences of being the friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man. It would hit harder considering that suddenly Tom's Peter's life turns *upside-down* , causing troubles and stress and pain far greater than what the older brothers of him ever did. Anyway, so now do you see how much better the writers could have done with Spider-Man existing in the MCU alongside other Marvel heroes? What they did, wasn't at all the best.

Good thoughts.

It's more like a fun ride, then a good movie

@@VerticlSpoon facts

@@VerticlSpoonenjoyable movie for sure

Definitely. As a kid who was going into 8th grade when Homecoming came out and now soon graduating HS with NWH out, I feel like I’ve grown with MCU Peter.

I actually love how they build him up from a kid to an adult, kind of like Harry Potter. Sure, for some fans it’s annoying, but the natural progression is far in a ways worth it.

@@titan2k928 As someone who’s been a fan of him since Civil War, this movie was incredibly rewarding.

@@blyki867 definitely, his growth especially from that point, is very tangible and visceral. They handled his character very well

He was literally always like this, people are only just seeing it now cause they put him through worse stuff than he’s been through before. In terms of how they wrote Peter, nothing changed. His characterization has always been the same. But I agree this film allows fan to grow up with this Peter

@CYB3R2K30 so the consequence results in a new story? That just sounds like…good writing?

@CYB3R2K30 The end of the movie is legit a consequence lasting

@CYB3R2K30 those consequences did not get dropped out those same consequences legit made the multiverse and crack and essentially made him lose everything

@@dswanny fuck no😂😂😂

@@spongebobsquarepants4261 no it’s a studio re-writing their wrongs so their past wrongs no longer matter

Times like these make me miss seeing dislikes on videos lol

@@JadenCole77 FOR REAL bro, I wanna see the ratio real bad

@@dry-leaves I know that ratio going crazy too lmfaoo

I haven't seen this much backlash in a review ever...He kinda deserve it though. Lol

I lost all respect for everything he says and unfortunately there are some that bandwagon his statements

Someone has said

Yeah I can understand why someone doesn't like mcu spiderman but just because you don't like him doesn't mean you should stop other people from liking him.

"And don’t give me the BS that Tom holland fans are just as bad. They’re not" THANK YOU for saying that. Literally whenever I go to a video related to Tobey's spider-man there's always comments like "I miss this spider-man. I don't like Tom Holland. He is just Iron man jr" whereas I never see comments targeting Tobey's spider-man on Tom Holland's videos.

THANK YOU. ur the only comment which understands. i keep on getting hate by raimi fans and that tom holland sucks.. thanks for understanding.

While Andrew is definitely more loved now, it's the same problem for Andrew fans. I've seen Raimi fans judge people who like Andrew.

Above all: Spider-man didn't need any fixing. I liked the first movies, I liked this one, I don't think that there was no sacrifice beforehand (it is more like the level of sacrifice was raised with each movie), and I really liked the Marvel took its time to built the character up instead of just repeating what was done before. F... people who say that any fixing was necessary. Well, there was, but not of MCU Spider-man, but of the least popular Comic book story involving him EVER and they somehow managed to take the best ideas from this clusterfuck and make it good. I'm impressed.

@@swanpride I'm sorry, I disagree, I think he needed fixing for sure, for most of Peter's MCU run, he hasn't truly been Spider-Man. But that's what this all built up to, these last 6 films with him have been more of a complete origin story, just across different stages of his life. Now, he's finally got the great responsibility, he's lost one of the people (in this case THE person) that raised him and gave him his moral compass. Now he's on his own, with the weight on his shoulders alone, and he has to continue to find the strength to do the right thing without Avengers holding his hand. He's growing up, and it's high time we see that version of Spider-Man in the MCU, think similar to Insomniac's version (imo the best portrayal of the character there is). Sure, he was a kid, but even as a kid he still had the weight of his aunt/uncle's death on his shoulders, the genuine repercussions of his actions and the weight of his decisions really affected him. Homecoming did alright in that regard, and Vulture was great. But Far From Home? God, what a joke. They've definitely "fixed" MCU Spider-Man from what I can tell and thank you Kevin Feige for doing so.

It's not that he's harsh, it's that you think this is an 8.5/10. It's not. But you can think it is if you want.

@@O1OO1O1 You're right, it's a 9. But seriously, HiTop is no more objective than anyone else. You especially are not. So you can't tell Dan he's wrong for saying it's an "8.5/10".

HiTop's entire platform has been built from his unabashed loyalty to the Raimi trilogy and his hatred for the MCU Spidey. Not surprised that he's very negative again, imo that's sort of his niche: he gives the Spider-Man purist's take on the movie. (And to be frank I think his bias is a bit silly at this point.)

That’s cause it is

Yeah I know

@Judge Jerry Poppins eh, it could be a miss this video but his other videos are still great.

I love this comment as I agree everything with it

@Elie Boutros exactly. I love the raimi films too, they were my childhood, and I completely respect that you prefer them over the MCU’s version but yeah HiTop is a bit extreme on this, especially since NWH felt like a celebration for the Spider-Man character as a whole. While it was Tom’s story, it felt like it was commemorating 20 years worth of cinema and I think it was beautifully done. Not perfect, I agree that the CGI was a bit sketchy in places (although, to be fair, it was made in a pandemic and they’ve already rereleased it with updated vfx), and the MCU humour is present, especially in the first half. I think the MCU humour is good but sometimes it’s taken a bit too far to the point when it takes you out of the film, but in nwh it was relatively fine. But where nwh shines is it’s story, the legacy of Spider-Man of not only the past but the set up for the future, and does everything that the end of trilogy and a celebration of films should do. Its why I overlook the nitpicky issues of the movie because they don’t negatively impact the overall enjoyment and satisfaction for the movie, atleast not for me

@@leoalper4530 Agree

Pretty much every problem I have with Hi-Top is summarized here. What a great comment I’m surprised you didn’t get more likes.

@@itamar20112 מדבר עברית? חחח

He has that highschool hipster take where he doesn’t want to like it because it’ll set him apart from everyone else making him seem like he knows what he’s saying but really he doesn’t 🤡

he just compares all the movies to the raimi films and can’t enjoy them anymore. it’s not some deep thing it’s a character

@@uDontGotJuice I feel that too. And it just doesn't make sense to me. Like on paper. And in my head, when I watched his video I found it to be more of a critique of the movie's production. For being produced in COVID, it had some pretty fantastic shots. I also love how he says the city feels lifeless, and then shows MJ and Pete swinging in a buzzing NYC

What one scene 🤣 It's a good film but it isn't really visually creative tbh

That’s one scene lmao. The ending sequence barely showed the new Spider-Man suit. It was like the camera man was trying to take sneaky shots.

Holy shit. That, and the Homecoming vulture drive are probably the two most anxiety inducing scene in mcu history.

I'm honestly surprised Tom's spidey sense works that way, for me it was just "Hey bro watch it" but no it literally detects bad intentions

@@jellymatsuryuka6853 I compare it to like, a panic attack. But spidey-fied.

@@Assortment54321 Yeah that Vulture car ride in Homecoming was my favorite MCU Spider-Man scene until the NWH apartment spider sense scene. Honorable mention would be Peter taking out all of the drones with his eyes closed in FFH.

No its not, not even close (imo)... Spiderman 2 spidey sense scene at the cafe with MJ and the car getting thrown through the window is damn near perfect.

HiTop never watches these movies. Why else would he constantly miss what they actually do and keep comparing them to the Raimi trilogy?

He’s talking about before aunt may convinces him… maybe *you* didn’t watch the movie. His first reaction was “it’s not my problem, we should send them back,” until May calls him out on taking the easy choice for himself instead of helping the villains.

Watch the rest of the video before you comment lol

@@sungod9797 but he didn’t know they were going to die when they go back then, it’s only after he hears that they are going to that he realises what he has to do.

@@sungod9797 then once he realized they’re going to die he immediately wants to save them

MCU films have always had a serious issue with tone, and making jokes where there shouldn't be. I totally agree with you that most people are too critical about this because of older spider-man, but Marvel Studios has almost copyrighted this new way of making movies and having too much humor in the wrong place. Nothing wrong with good, timed humor. But they do overkill.

@@SchmookyLuke perfect response, that’s exactly why these movies fall short of exceptional filmmaking in comparison to the raimi trilogy. Sony has always been slowly sinking its corporate claws and compromising the director’s vision of these films to sell more merchandise and appeal to a broader audience for massive gains in the box office.

We’re not , he likes Spider-Man PS4 , Miles Morales , spectacular Spider-Man , into the spiderverse and the TASM movies . Its not that we don’t like anything that isn’t our childhood it’s just that we just prefer well made and well written movies and No way home for the most part is one of those , pointing out criticism isn’t being harsh and it hurts my soul seeing people attack this man for having a different opinion . He even clarified on twitter the only spidey flick he truly doesn’t like is “Far from home”

@@ProfanityMan420 come on Raimi trilogy is not like sone God's work Only spiderman 2 is great

@@SchmookyLuke here comes Raimi tards Read some comic Peter always cracks jokes even in between insane fights Pretty sure you only watched Raimi trilogy where venom is more funny than Spiderman

@Miles Doyle nice

that's par for the course now

He even started bringing up that they brought back clips from sandman and lizard in the older movies, saying they are proof that the movie needed more time. I'm just sat here like "No, they added those clips because the actors either weren't available or they are much older than they would have been given context of what point in time they travelled to the MCU universe".

In the last movie spiderman supposedly killed mysterio so I feel like his motive to save them was legitimate. To show that he was not a killer even if no one ever found out. This dude dumb af

@Miles Doyle get a life lmao

Well put man

This idea of Spider-Man fundamentally being a character defined by suffering is so stupid. Peter Parker, like a lot of Marvel characters is a dude who is a funny and relatable everyday problems and also has crazy superhero adventures and you get all that in the MCU Spider-Man movies without them rehashing all the tragic motivations for the third damn time. No Way Home, is in my opinion, far more effective specifically because it isn't going through the motions, Aunt May's death hits harder because I was not expecting her to die, and it brought out a side of this version of the character, that is a true escalation of the conflict because I'm not used to seeing him go that dark, nor do I expect it. It gives him a great contrast with the other two Peters

This is the way

@@TheJadedJames so true like jesus if u look at the comics peter suffers like once every ten years, yet all the bad things happen to him in the movies

@@sunnycombo5275 I grew up reading Ultimate Spider-Man. Sometimes there is a tragedy with characters like Gwen or Harry. But Peter is also doing stuff like hanging out with other superheroes or engaging in pure comedy arcs

Ok, I get that. But Aunt May in the MCU compared to the Mays and Bens of the other franchises has little to no affect on peter at all. She only plays a role in his character IN No Way Home.

@Toad Is Forgotten lol I guess it’s because of the music

@Toad Is Forgotten 😂😂

@Toad Is Forgotten I hate idiots like those comment bro. Literally forget that he said something that he like but just don't watch the whole damn

No, a majority of people were fine with it. It's just a vocal minority that thinks it sucked.

The opening that is being complained about is the going to strange part

It was fun and chaotic. It's not a Batman where everything has to be serious

I don’t think that opening sucks but I wished it didn’t happen because it really doesn’t contribute too much to the story and I would’ve rather had those 30 minutes with Andrew and Tobey, or the other villains

@@talimpalomino9589 this isn’t Andrew and tobys movie. Even I knew that going in

Completely agreed. Literally the plot of the movie is Peter taking the hard option and trying to help the villains instead of easily sending them to their deaths.

Yeah after this I’m kinda done with hitop’s vids he’s proven that he’s extremely biased

You were watching this review expecting logic and sound reasoning? I’m watching it just to laugh at all the points he gets wrong because of his ENORMOUS bias towards some pretty outdated movies. Like he’s seriously complaining about this CGI when the CGI in films like SM1 were horrible (even for their time).

@@driquea4739 wrong

@@fistbumpstudioz4548 Look the Raimi movies are great but even you must admit the CGI especially in the first one don’t really hold up much

I mean, because some things completely shift from movie to movie. Aunt May changes her perspective on Spider-man 3 times. On Homecoming she gets worried for Peter, which is why it makes sense that he keeps his secret hidden from her. Then FFH completely change that, with her being completely accepting of it, and not really being important to the movie. Now in NWH, she serves as his moral code, Peter's mother riminding him to do whats right, and it really works. There's also that scene in Civil War that implies the "great power" lesson to already be learnt. The shifting tone between the first two movies and this one, without any hints of it at all before. How they completely forgot about highschool drama and focused on very personal stakes. How they adressed most people's criticisms of those movies in a very direct way. Idk, it would be a VERY big surprise if it wasnt really a course correction. If I wanted NWH to be my ending to the origin, I would have done Homecoming and FFH WAAAAAAY diferently.

Because it was a course correction. Marvel in 2015 when it was announced we were getting a reboot: “we are not doing an origin story.” Marvel after the release of NWH: “we were actually doing an origin story the entire time.” Kinda contradictory. Also before No Way Home went the multiverse route it was very heavily rumored that the film was gonna be a Spidey vs Kraven film with a possibility of Scorpion playing a role. The whole multiverse stuff came through most likely after Sony and Marvel re-negotiated.

me too. finally...

@@TheEmperorRaidou Raimi fanboy moment

@@Jackson-op2ee or people just weren’t a fan of watts spidey

Im surprised it took a lot of people to understand what the mcu was going for with spiderman. They told his origin story over the length of 3 films instead of just one. This way you get to see the life that he lives before and what he has to sacrifice to finally become the spiderman we know and love. Instead of it being in one film like it was for tobey and andrew, we get it played out over multiple and the impact becomes much greater

@@CryNhn Do we know that for sure? When they were making Homecoming, did they ever explicitly say that this was the plan all along?

Strange isn’t an Avenger, but I see the point being made here.

@@thefilmwatcher1302 ehhh he's still one of the strongest hero's in the universe

@@thefilmwatcher1302 he’s still probably the strongest hero in that universe rn besides maybe Wanda.

Well all of you guys are forgetting something......Strange was not seriously trying to hurt Peter....he just wanted the box

@@anshulsenguptaxbrollno-2579 and how is that remotely relevant to the point being made? The point is: Strange was a wall (and intended in leaving Peter waiting in the Mirror dimension btw) and Peter chose to face it in order to have a CHANCE to save the villains. It’s not like Strange let him pass through. He was trying to get the box and trap Peter

Huh

Why

@@lukerne9260 some might disagree on his thoughts on the movie

This sums it all up perfectly

and without giving a proper argument you are doing the same. but with less words

Yeah I think the thing that the criticism about the texture less and bland visual style of Spider-Man no way home is valid. But idk the thematic things are subjective

I think it's just bc FFH is just such a bad movie that it kind of hurts Homecoming and NWH.

@@MaxIronsThird nope.....that's just a desperate excuse to defend this narcissist Hitop guy.

@@diannajennings266 Nah, that's just my opinion, I was in the beginning of the video when a commented.

@@MaxIronsThird I think FFH is quite good

Dude is a slave to his bias for raimi and ignores everything in the mcu

This guy is touuuugh to listen to. I don’t have any problem listening to people I disagree with, but people that are blind, willfully ignorant and a lot of times straight up wrong, it’s hard to listen to.

I used to get some of his points from the last 2 MCU Spider-Man movies but right now he's just proving that he's biased for the Sam Raimi Spiderman Trilogy

Yeah I know

I don't even think it's that I've been following this channel for a really long time and lately he's been very biased towards DC and very anti-Marvel. He even straight-up admits that in his Shang Chi review. It sucks to see that people just can't enjoy both and feel that they need to pick a side. Shame

@@LeonNeith8965 you can love both I'm a big marvel fan for sure but I enjoy some of the DC movies. Aquaman and Shazam especially are pretty good in my opinion. Oh also the suicide squad from James Gunn was pretty great too.

Pretty much, I respect his opinion but he kinda nitpicks at times.

He's a big hypocrite

Some people don’t mind it

He was too busy watching Spider-Man 2 to pay attention while watching nwh

I think that's the point HitTops was getting at, that it starts out that way, isn't the first half of the video his criticism of the first half of the movie? Or am I reading it wrong?

@@carlweeper7436 This comment made me laugh, that’s all

It doesn’t matter. In that “first half” or whatever you want to call it, Peter is unaware that sending them back to their universes would kill them, but once he finds that out, he immediately wants to help them. I don’t know what more he could have wanted or expected from Peter.

@@Nick-lz5lx Right? Like if the second half of the movie fixes all the issues and actively makes the first half better.... why the complaints? He wanted to send them home asap to try and fix his and his friend's lives, but upon hearing that they would die... he immediately jumped to try and save them, even fighting Dr. Strange to do it. This is the result of someone who lets the Raimi trilogy cloud their judgement over every other Spider-Man film (Newsflash, besides Spider-Man 2, the Raimi trilogy aged like milk and has a lot of issues)

He's so negative... That's my problem with hitop. His desire for something perfect keeps him from enjoying something really good. I don't need that kind of critic in my head influencing my opinions tbh

For the first time I feel kinda disappointed over Hitop, the movie gaves us all that we wanted and everything that Peters Tom Holland needed to finally grown up and become Spider-Man, at this point I really don't get it. I would easily be considered as a Raimi Fanboy, but man, I love how they didn't have a competition to see who's the best Peter Parker, its just like Tobey said: "That's what WE do". They are all Amazing, It's a true celebration to Spider-Man.

@@Scott_34 agreed

Peter still didnt fave any consequences, like why isnt he in jail or prison? Wasnt there audio of him saying execute them all.

@@Whatttttkwbsns still didn’t have any consequences what? the entire movie is literally about him facing consequences

So ur basically saying this Peter became Spider-Man just for the sake of doing the right thing? Because that would make him insanely boring and generic, Peter becoming Spider-Man out of LOSS and GUILT is what makes Peter Parker Spider-Man and it’s what makes him so compelling as a character, remove that he becomes a boring cookie-cutter typical superhero.

@@Ye_B0i tbh Tom's spiderman was cookie cutter and boring in the mcu. He felt the need to be a superhero because he has the powers. He found inspiration and motivation from watching other superheroes saving lives and be heroic. That's probably why Tom's spiderman doesn't have that moral compass we saw unlike toby and Andrew's. Nwh solves this by giving tom a clear moral compass to be spiderman and not just a hero following the steps of iron and the avengers alike.

@@roostercoasterman holy sh@t you predicted this well because one of the lead writers from NWH recently came out and said NWH was Peter's moment of moral compass being found. even thought NWH solved this, it doesn't help that Peter was initially established as a dude who decided to be a hero just for the sake of it, which come to think about it Tom's Spidey was already a cookie cutter the moment he was introduced to the mcu.

He can’t conceive of a comic-accurate version of the character.

@@thefilmwatcher1302 comic accurate? A spiderman that isnt batman? This spiderman is far from the angsty snarky ditko spider man and has all the resources of batman from stark( before the ending). Mcu is far from comic acurate.

@@getitstandswithukraine6637 Clearly you never read the actual run.

@@ReaperBlaze76 i have, multiple times.

@@ReaperBlaze76 theres a video nerdsync made recently called "spiderman used to suck" or something . While i disagree with the title, the video shows what i'm talking about. Oh, or you could just try to read the original lee/ditko run. ;)

meh, a good fanservices movie, don't think a good spiderman movie. But the next one can be good

@@DR-pt2gk it’s a good spider-man movie, just not the best one

There's no pleasing fanboys, my friend.

@@DR-pt2gk fan service isn’t a bad thing lmao. Aren’t these movies for… fans?

@@Luke101 at the end of the day, is a movie. Watch star wars 9,it was also for the fans...

What does blender mean in this context?

@@eddieperez8111 its like the beginners app people use to learn about 3d models and animation, i think thats what he was referring to

@@eddieperez8111 the animation look like shit, but it's enough to brought audience's tear

@@asmiredi8989 it looks fine

@@asmiredi8989 it looks fantastic lol

where? he literally only suffered in nwh, that too just one death. what has he lost in hoco and ffh? a sugar daddy? a high school crush?

@@rangeetch.lahiri2120 he’s lost his pride, his love interest, his trust, his mentor, his second but fake mentor, his suit, his relationship with aunt May…please tell me what tobey maguires Spider-Man has lost besides his uncle Ben and best friend…not nearly as much as what tom has lost…Andrew is the only one who comes close…not to mention that Tom’s peter could very well have lost an uncle Ben that we don’t know about yet…so there’s the consequences. Think before you speak muchacho

@@rangeetch.lahiri2120 I don't know if you saw a little film called Infinity War but Spiderman DIES in that. But yeah, no loss.

@@rangeetch.lahiri2120’s been real quiet since this dropped

pretty understanable questions when considering the plot armor tom has, only defeated Ock cause of stark technology

@@346Yoman Did you expect Tom to be utterly humilliated in his own trilogy movie and protray tobey as utterly superior?

@@346Yoman Butthurt

Honestly, if you think about it, those arms are outdated as hell man. Compared to Stark tech at that time, Otto’s arms are severely outclassed.

Each version of Peter should deserve happiness but are (unfortunately) so far away from it.

@@jenniferbolusan2623 Peter 2 (Tobey's) finally achieved happiness though. He's with MJ and still kicks arse as Spider-Man.

@@jakubrejak1114 Forgot that. However, to get there, he needed watching Harry sacrifice himself to have survived for better, tear apart a bunch of relationships while under influence of an alien parasite, realize he accidentally pursued the wrong person who murdered one closest to him, and finally stand there to forgive that actual person that robbed a lot.

@@jenniferbolusan2623 well according to Marc webb, Andrew's Peter is destined to be alone

@@jenniferbolusan2623 It's like they say. No pain, no gain.

I always loved toms spidey but now i love his more

Honestly I hated tom's spidey (His acting was top notch, I mean the actual spiderman himself). He felt more like how people were describing Miles and was in the shadow of Iron Man. I understand it's a different take, but we aren't given any insight on his motivation during FFH or Homecoming. Uncle ben is non existent, but they fixed the role to Aunt may, which I liked. The ending reminded me a lot of spider-man ps4 and actually felt like someone as the working class hero. I just think that homecoming and FFH failed to capture what the character truly was (which is a shame because one of my favourite scenes of Spider Man is him lifting the rubble in homecoming, I thought that it would show him that he's no longer under the shadow of Iron Man. I was blatantly wrong when I watched FFH lol) I know people will disagree with me, but I agree with HiTop about May. She was really underdeveloped, used more as a joke rather than a very important figure to Peter's life. She doesn't need the movie to be centralized about her and peter but if we were given insight on her morals from the start of homecoming, by introducing F.E.A.S.T and more of her motherly attitude, we could've gotten a better emotional connection. It also was just weird that Peter tried so hard to keep Spider-Man a secret from May, but in FFH, she encourages him to go risk his life, her only family, practically at this point considered to be her son. Yes there was a comment regarding peter saying that explaining he's spider-man to may again is just going to be frustrating, but we should've seen the actual development of it in FFH. Character Development is only good when you actually see and experience the arc of the character going through that change. I feel like Jon Watts didn't either grasp his character and just blindly tried shooting it in. But considering Sony's track record (I have a burning passion to hate Avi Arad, the guy who ruined not only just Raimi's trilogy, but the TASM series, making Venom a PG-13 CHARACTER) in butting their way into spider man trilogies to just ruin them, I wouldn't be surprised if Jon watts was restricted of creative freedom in the previous 2 films and the studio decided to just give him more leeway/freedom in making NWH. Regardless, I'm happy and satisfied with NWH because it's set up a Peter that I hope we get to see more development about.

I wonder if he knows Kevin Feige is also the executive producer of the whole Raimi trilogy.He was on set everyday....

@@diannajennings266 interesting

It has 12K dislikes now.

@@kama933 Oh interesting, how can you tell?

@@kama933 yeah how can you tell?

I have an extension called "Return RU-vid Dislikes".

Less than 25% dislikes which is pretty good considering the amount of fanboys and haters of an opinion there are

Civil War gave us a taste of a good spider-man. then of course they botched it with the next two movies. They were good movies but they damn well werent spider-man movies

@@redgrapes8565 To say they aren't Spider-Man films is silly. FFH is bad but it still has a Spider-Man message in it. Homecoming is a great film and a great Spider-Man film. Hitops film just be focusing too much on his version of Spidey to really dive deep to why they work as Spidey films.

Writing wise? Civil War is probably the best Spidey we've had. They hit all the highest notes with only 20min of screentime. That's impressive.

@@redgrapes8565 that’s the thing: it simply seemed promising at the time because holland was clearly a great actor to play the role of peter, but literally nothing about civil war spidey was any better than homecoming or far from home, his role was just so minor we assumed he’d get proper depth and character treatment in his solo films

@@redgrapes8565 Couldn't disagree more, this whole trilogy is a perfect ark for Peter about growing up to be a better more responsible man with homecoming being about wanting more responsibilities, FFH bring about learning how to cater to those responsibilities and not let them hurt the ones around you and NWH was about how those responsibilities can destroy you and will not always be convenient but are things that you can never let go of because innocent people can get hurt if you don't. Altogether I think these movies make him one of the most fleshed out versions of Spider-Man and create a character who feels like the tortured soul with the weight of the world on his shoulders we've always admired and it feels earned because we've seen every decision and sacrifice he's made to come to this point.

Whatever fits his narrative I guess

Hitop just doesn't like toms spider-man at all, so he just tries to hate 🤷

@Snehil Shrey if that's the case that doesn't entirely make sense. Tom literally went out of his way to be able to save vultures life when he could have very easily just walked away. and mysterio's death was not his fault, and tbh, I'm not expecting anyone to all of a sudden have a great moment of understanding towards someone's plight when they literally spent half a movie trying to kill his friends while openly endangering the entire public for nothing but his own ego.

Yeah he’s really not the best critic or video essayist

@@jemmymonroe5835 especially after he was fooled by Mysterio whom he considered a good friend. It makes complete sense for him to want nothing to do with these villains

You make some good points but I personally would never want to see Spidey "lead his own superhero team". It goes against what I see as a core trait of the character. Spider-Man is a solo act who occasionally does team-ups. If Disney wants another superhero team then they should look elsewhere.

@@theamazingmikelee9857, same. I wouldn’t want Pete to lead his own team but in this film, they were definitely showcasing a lot of leadership qualities in him. So, even though some may not want him to be the leader of a team, it does kind of seem like the direction they’re taking him in. I’m not sure, though. However, if he actually does lead a team of heroes, it could be cool if done right.

That movie would be painfully bad bro

@@dswanny he doesn’t like the film I like therefore any spider-man film of his wouldn’t be good -you

All he does with these movies

He was too busy watching Spider-Man 2 to pay attention to nwh

It's called Rorschach Butterfly. Just because we watched the same movie doesn't mean we would jump into same conclusion. People judge through their past experience and expectation for future. Well, some are too attached to past experience which a bit overblown.

@@chengkuoklee5734 Still he cared enough to fight strange for the box cause he didn't want to send them back to die, he even cured them so they wouldn't die when they get back, he flat out says that, yet Alex says he didn't care🤦

I think he invested his heart and soul into hating MCU Spiderman too deep and it's hard to come back from that even if it's a masterpiece,he'll never admit it was good.

Not really. That is one of the things he really liked about this movie.

True facts 😂😂😂👍

@Erik Kemeey He is totally correct though 😂😂😂👍

Do you really think that Marvel and Sony would change all their plans and structures for their Spiderman for a few simple reviews compared to all the box office they did? Obviously not all the elements were planned, but the intent and the main arc were always clear, they wanted to work long term with this Spider-Man since Civil War, gradually turning him into the hero we wanted, but again, how toxic fans don't they can't stand even the slightest change compared to their holy movies sam raimi makes the fandom look unbelievably bad

Oh my word, I’d pay big bucks to see a real action Kraven the Hunter story

That’s a great way to look at it. In fact, all of these Spider-Man movies have all been done to be in the span of a few months. No way home took place literally right after the last one. So, in a way it is his origin story - his beginning and the start to his long career as the web-slinger. It probably wasn’t even their intent and it was kind of weird to put it into 3 movies, but now with his new identity I am excited for the next ones.

Correction: Civil War, Infinity War, Endgame and an entire trilogy

@@deimos.93 but you can’t only count the trilogy because you need Civil War for Homecoming to make sense and IW and Endgame for FFH to make sense lmao

@@deimos.93 he learned spider sense in infinity war correct me if I’m wrong lol

Exactly.

He doesn't also mention the fact that Peter's entire motivation in this movie is to fix the villains, to turn them back to what they once where. But then ofcourse: "No good deed goes unpunished". For a Spoiler Review he avoids speaking of pretty much every highlight of the movie especially about Holland's Peter having the need to kill Osborn only to be stopped by Maguire's Peter. Anger is a layer of the character that despite how much good willed a person is he still remains a human. Peter Parker smiles, cries and gets mad basically like every other human being, he is flawed and to the brink of ruin he might unwillingly do something that he regrets like almost committing murder. This moment of the film not being acknowledged at all in his video baffles me.

@@iceuffer i know

@@iceuffer He only made that decision when aunt may convinced him and fought strange otherwise " its not my responsibility".

@@346Yoman yeah because he didn't know any of those villans from the Raimi and Webb universe.

As for HiTop it’s probably more to the fact MCU Spidey isn’t a man. Average Spidey rendition is some college kid or 20 something with way more agency. Even Harry Potter or other teen heroes had more agency so these movies stick out as odd tbh.

They probably kill more of his close friends and people he loves off so you know character development 💀 and that’s it You get a sad depressed spidey who somehow is still acting like he didn’t lose everything and everyone but that’s just how he’s life is

This is a great point actually! I was hoping for a dramatic entrance on a rooftop or something, but instead we got something far more intimate that, like you said, was reminiscent of the old settings

People were expecting a dramatic entrance, but if that meant less screen time of the other Peters, then no way would I want that because we lose the impact the other Peters had on MCU Peter and their interactions, which are a great part of the movie

@@thebatman. no

@@masonwright7700 yes

It was wack

that was the second half of the movie, the first part was cringe and childish

Because it’s not raimi lol

@@sh_2426 this guy gets it

@@noork5782 that sounds like a you problem. The entire movie is better than anything the MCU has given us so far

Fr this guy can’t be happy with shit lmao

Exactly.

Venom 2 is bad but it was a fun watch for me. Still bad though

@Judge Jerry Poppins because venom is a movie that just rolls with itself and embraces it’s oddness

@Judge Jerry Poppins there’s no way you can defend WW84 over No way home. ain’t no way boy

@Toad Is Forgotten does he? Hee feels like he's picking it apart because rose tinted glasses. I want these movies to be serious too. Im also a raimi fan boy but complaining that they arent the same movies just sounds really dumb.

@Toad Is Forgotten doesn't sound like he likes this movie

@Toad Is Forgotten he enjoyed the movie but was quite mixed on this

They didn't plan it out lmfao, they had 2 teenager high school movies, and then a 3rd one which completely reboots the character and brings back villains from older movies, what kind of plan is that? They must've planned out NWH after Sony took Spider-Man out of the MCU back in August 2019

@@vesha6274 there is a difference between “rebooting” and character growth. He went from thinking he needed stark tech to realizing he dosent, right now he thinks he can do it alone but I’m the next movie it’s going to be him being angry and alone and realizing that he needs other people. All three movies where his planned out origin arc, and now we will get three more where he is a more traditional Spider-Man

@@dipz6479 nope, it wasn't planned, the ending was originally supposed to be completely different, he was never supposed to leave the Stark suits behind, and he was never supposed to make everyone forget who he was originally. I don't get why people have a hard time understanding that people plan things along the way, not everything is planned from the start, doesn't really make the movie any better or worse

@@vesha6274 it was planned kinda in a homecoming interview john watts said he wanted a long origin story of spiderman that lasts a trilogy back in 2017 and ye that shows they wanted to making him the actual spiderman at the end well this is kinda similar to the comics aswell spiderman doesnt becomes spiderman after putting the suit it took him quite some time doing the trial and error method and learning from his mistakes aswell. I agree with the @Dipz dude saying its fixing the character is straight up wrong cuz this is what you call character development not fixing they didnt change anything about the previous character they added more to it and thats what character development is and not fixing, fixing has completely different meaning. The 3rd movie was going to be revolved around kraven but still in that movie everyone was gonna forget peter parker at the end and him being on his own. Each film it went darker and darker and its goin to be more darker than the previous movie in the next trilogy

@@vesha6274 source: trust me bro

Right bro finds every little thing to complain about

fr lmao. i respect his opinion but damn 💀

No, he'd only be happy if Raimi came back and directed a Spider-Man 4. I still find it funny how much he praises Peter and MJ's relationship in the Raimi trilogy, when I and many other fans always thought that was one of the *worst* parts of the Raimi trilogy.

@@najadamu2724 He'll never give the Raimi films the same criticism he gives the MCU films.

I get where you're coming from but I'm equally sick with Disney tossing in random "Family Friendly" jokes in out of nowhere that kill the tone just so they can slap a big APPROVED FOR ALL AUDIENCES sticker on everything. I think this movie doesn't do it nearly as much as some others but sometimes I'll be having an amazing time soaking in the emotion and just get totally brought out because goofy side character 4 has an absolutely worthless piece of wacky advice to share. Worst example I can think of is in Shang chi where him and his best buddy (can't think of her name right now) are on the plan and he is opening up about his abusive past with his war lord father after keeping it a secret for years... only to get interrupted by a stewardess who say "Beef of veggie, sorry all out of chicken. Sorry all out of veggie." Genuinely ruined a great moment of the main character opening up about grief for a safe and easy joke. I could practically feel the investment drain out of me. Sorry that was a bit of a tangent but that's my thoughts. Like I said no way home isn't nearly as bad in comparison to other mcu movies when it comes to this but I would be lying if I denied their existence. End of the day 9/10 movie that addresses alot of what I was unhappy with previously and is a great point launch for this character.

Exactly!

That makes it any better ?

@@EduFabolous exactly LOL still cheap AF I don't care for the reasons

@@MrGenexxx Okay, the only other options available were to: A. Cut out Sandman and The Lizard from the movie completely. Or, B. Fucking magically clear their schedules and risk COVID-19 just for some scenes they could've made by CGI.

@@MrGenexxx what I meant was that giving this excusing does not prevent the problem from being there, if they wanted a better movie they would just delay it and do it right, they wanted the money so they chose the drawbacks of being poor in terms of cinematography. It's an amazing spider man movie, but a really bad film

Thank you for organizing your paragraphs like this, makes it way easier to read,

@@TheChckster thanks! I have ADD and big walls of Text are an instant turn off for me, so i try and organize my paragraphs in a way where it doesn't look daunting to read. P.D. I'm not used to being complemented on my writing so double thanks!

I agree with your comment

I agree his criticisms to both homecoming and ffh are incredibly biased, sure they're not as good as spiderman 2 but they'reno that bad, heck they were definitely good. i appreciate jay exci made a valid take for hitop's criticism to ffh

Or he expressed his opinions on why he feels a film is bad and a bunch weirdos are making it deeper than it is because they’re fanboys with Disney thongs stuck up their ass. These MCU movies for me and many others are underwhelming because they don’t understand the characters outside their aesthetics, every non superhero is barely developed, they overuse cgi and it’s visually jarring and unnecessary, the relationships feel forced, they overuse comedy and it undercuts the weight of dramatic sequences, they rely on the multiverses to not tell a conclusive story, and every film ends with some big bombastic cgi explosion fest. It’s not about what we want the film to be. Im a writer and I’ve seen many films including superhero ones that I think are great. It’s just easy as a writer to not be distracted by computer visuals and hold films accountable for their lack of substance and laziness. Sam Raimi’s films would still be great as literary works without CG, whereas MCU Spidey would be awful without the help of CG. This film lazily hinges on the backbone of other filmmakers work because the MCU Spider-Man has never been capable of holding its own story without gimmicks like Tony Stark cameos, race swapping, Jake Gyllenhaal as mysterio, and literally having better interpretations of the character carry audiences to give this crap version a chance. It’s sad too because I thought Tom had a chance to be the best Spider-Man but he’s easily my least favorite due how unrecognizable, unimaginative, and boring these films are.

Im so sorry for your loss. I lost my dad 2 years ago, but due to a lot of circumstances I dont feel like mentioning it didnt hit as hard as grief does for other people, so I cant imagine how you feel. Im really sorry for your loss

peter never took May for granted tho, he’s literally always saying she wants her to stay out of danger to avoid losing her like he did his uncle

@@issy785 hi, person that doesn't understand what I'm talking about because they've never been in the situation that's been described. I'm glad you don't understand this. But I'm not wrong. Not only did Peter neglect to spend time with his aunt May, the director purposely made it a point not to feature May and neglected her characterization until the very end.

@@Atomsk484 peter was never shown and it was never stated that he neglected to spend time with aunt may, are you forgetting homecoming when he literally went out to lunch and hung out with her? or when aunt may helped him get ready for homecoming in the film? even in the beginning of ffh we see their familial dynamic, peter never once took her for granted or neglected her that may be the case for you and your mom but there’s no need to project that onto anyone else who’s lost a family member

@@issy785 look, as I stated in my initial post, that was my read on the film because of the situation that I currently find myself in. Nothing you say is going to invalidate my read on the film and just because you're ignorant to that circumstance and don't see it, doesn't mean it's not a valid read of the films message. Take your shit somewhere else. Film is an interpretive media and that's how I interpreted it. So fuck off if you don't like it.

@Judge Jerry Poppins Lol no . The fact yall Mcu stans think this was planned when they used TASM and Spiderman 3 scenes . 🤡🤡 Y'all are the epitome of clowns, Homecoming and Far From Home sucked , end of story . No one cares about your opinion if it's clearly wrong .

@Judge Jerry Poppins I can totally agree on this. A few months ago I was thinking the same thing. It's obvious this was meant to progress Peter from being "Iron Boy Jr" to being fully independent and working for himself, taking on the full responsibilities of being a hero. Feige knew what he was doing, he didn't wanna make the whole MCU Spider-Man story revolve around a careless, irresponsible hero, because that's not what Spider-Man nor Peter Parker is meant to be. This was just a longer arc that rly had to hammer into Peter's brain the fact that being a hero comes with a cost and personal duties. Now we're going to see the Peter that is accountable for his actions from here on out, and his story is going to be much more Spider-Man-like.his whole entire character

@@spirit2218 Am I the only one who remembers them saying the entire trilogy was his origin story years and years ago? I certainly always thought that was the case

@Judge Jerry Poppins we're not saying it's a reactionary movie. We're saying they're bad movies. That direction is fine, but it was poorly executed. This one is less bad than the last two.

@@idontcareaboutyouropinion8494 if you look at the most upvoted thread on this video, you'll find these people _really_ don't like the idea of things being objectively bad or good. It's their opinion, damnit, and your opinion (even if it's not your opinion) is just as equal to theirs. That's how they see it. I genuinely don't know how they get through life. Someone once called these people "status quo apologists." They find all sorts of ways to justify why things aren't bad, and it keeps our species stuck with things that suck.