Stainless Steel Heat Treatment: Oil vs. Plate Quench

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Testing two different quenching process for stainless steel.
Oil quench is what you see more often and for most high carbon steel, it's also what I have done in every single one of my build video so far. You may have seen plate quenching performed by those maker that treat stainless steel like the very talented Jeremy on the channel "Simple Little Life".
Here the plate quenching vise jig he made and that I plan on copying:
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@BlackBeardProjects 6 лет назад

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@graphguy 6 лет назад

You should add paypal account also. With paypal viewers can make one time non-recurring donations. I know video producers like recurring, but it would serve you well to offer both.

@kiwibird8441 6 лет назад

Graph Guy are you going to make a one time non-reoccurring PayPal donation to this channel?, good on you bro that's very commendable

@BlackBeardProjects 6 лет назад

Thank you for asking! I don't know, I like patreon because I can give something back like early access and voice overs you know?

@Markus__B 6 лет назад

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@sapper2497 4 года назад

@@BlackBeardProjects I have 1.4301 stainless steel what temperature can you harden at?

@deliman7203 6 лет назад

I love how organized your workshop looks, very professional.

@DiesInEveryFilm 6 лет назад

Nice work mate cool looking blades and a very informative video 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

@BlackBeardProjects 6 лет назад

Thanks brother! :)

@ActiveAtom 5 лет назад

Thank you for keeping this clean and easy to follow, I am here to learn some things about plate quenching.

@pimpinella11 6 лет назад

Been subscribed for a long time. I was just thinking about trying stainless and was looking heat treating info. Good info thanks.

@Alex-tb1is 6 лет назад

Parabéns pelo o trabalho 😎

@Evolucion7 6 лет назад

Thanks for showing the process. That was very informative.

@bwell6863 5 лет назад

Jeremy from Simple Little Life rubs his SS blade down with baby powder prior to heat treat in SS pouch. He has a recent video on making a kitchen knife. You both do great work!

@Daledavispratt 5 лет назад

That is the trick a lot of knifemakers don't know about. Yet the manufacturers of heat treating foil have been giving that advice to tool and die makers for years.

@kaskristensen 5 лет назад

I like your hardning test files! Thanks for the video.

@azizbekumarov4725 4 года назад

Thanks a lot! I was searching for this information a lot and you helped me with it) Thank you! Good luck in our new projects 👍

@heyimamaker 6 лет назад

Thanks for sharing!

@kassiman5307 6 лет назад

NICE .... LOVE THAT PROJECT ....!!! YEA ITS DIFFERENT ....!

@tykellerman6384 6 лет назад

Great test thanks

@mixmax111 6 лет назад

Mi sembrava avessi un accento italiano guardo nelle info ed sei italiano complimenti adoro i tuoi video li guarderei per ore ed ore

@evaderknives 6 лет назад

I also use Stainless steel tool wrap(321) for normalizing my carbon steel, before heat treat(with anti-scale applied after normalizing) it works real good for keeping off scale. For stainless I use the 309 which is probably what you got too. I just got a face vise(woodworking vise) too. To me, it seems like the hinges will limit you to one size of steel... but you did real good for your 1st stainless. Good Luck, take it easy...

@BlackBeardProjects 6 лет назад

Thank you! I've seen anti-scale stuff for stainless too, to use instead of foil, but it's very expensive. Ever tried? Yes, the hinge it's a limit for sure, that stock is 3mm so I doubt it would fit 5mm stock or more. Thanks again :)

@evaderknives 6 лет назад

I've never even heard of antiscale for stainless. I've always found the tool wrap to work great, so I never even thought to look for something else... Interesting though...

@jandastroy 6 лет назад

That is really cool man, I had never seen plate quenching before but aluminum makes a lot of sense for the purpose.

@dlbknives4869 6 лет назад

Lots of good info thanks!

@FredMcIntyre 6 лет назад

Thanks for the info! 👍👊

@MGMakes 6 лет назад

Lots of information brotha, love the clamp and looking forward to the upgrade. 👊👊👊

@BlackBeardProjects 6 лет назад

Thank you my friend! :)

@alperozdemir9460 6 лет назад

You are very good man

@ManCrafting 6 лет назад

How do you like those files? I guess as long as they are consistently harder from 40-65 you'll know how hard one blade is compared to the next.

@BlackBeardProjects 6 лет назад

I like them a lot! The hardness gap may be too wide for some but for me and just to have an idea works great. Bought mine directly from Japan for around 100€ including shipping and vat so not too bad! :)

@AlumiTube 6 лет назад

Haha your channel is going bananas 😉 cool BB

@_BLANK_BLANK 2 года назад

This was very interesting to me. But I'm starting to make my own knives. I made myself a little plate quench vise thing (1 inch thick aluminum plates drilled and tapped in a woodworking vise) I can't wait to try it out.

@stokvis4846 3 года назад

Thank you, this saves me alot of trouble 😃

@golden7992 6 лет назад

This guy is awesome

@Anilm3 6 лет назад

Pretty cool! I've never seen the plate trick before.

@Moormanar 6 лет назад

Bel video, qualche dritta serve sempre quindi continua pure con questo genere di video. Good Job!

@periklisphoenix6521 6 лет назад

good job

@workwithnature 6 лет назад

Your kidding love to know how to heat treat stainless is one of the best things to know :) Good music by the way. Did the oil quench one show hardness at the tip as it did cool down quite a bit. Interesting that it hardened in oil, seems like a good way to go if you have no aluminium plates just for ease of use. could you have quenched the oil one without taking of the foil like you did with the plates? Does the aluminum quench it faster than steel plates? Can you use alu foil to exclude oxygen? Sorry for all the questions. Would love to know.

@BlackBeardProjects 6 лет назад

Thanks!!! Hardness is within 5 Rc across the blade, might be slightly less but I can't tell. I can't without taking foil off because I feel like foil doesn't have a perfect contact to the knife so it can't take heat out fast enough. Like a steam jacket you know? Yes aluminum is faster for sure than steel to transfer heat, that's why heatsink are made of alu or copper I think :) No you can't use alu foil because it would melt at 660°C or so! Thank you again!

@stijn9957 6 лет назад

great video!

@work_of_artrestoration8870 6 лет назад

big thumbs up ,love your channel

@MakeNCreate 6 лет назад

Very interesting! Good video mate!

@BlackBeardProjects 6 лет назад

Thanks!!!

@user-ii6hd7lv2w 6 лет назад

Very nice

@martinwolf5957 6 лет назад

Wauuuuuuu it's great 👍 👍 👍

@blitzshoba123 4 года назад

I'll buy one of those awesome black simple Tees one day! Love your work, mate!

@TrinityHealth215 6 лет назад

I have a piston and connecting rod from the Snap On Tools Top Fuel Dragster I'd like to turn into a knife. I just need to figure out how to do it.

@mat1ccc 6 лет назад

This is sou asom!!

@hamedizzy6441 4 года назад

I've seen a view old timers use whiteout when they dont want 2 metals to bond while heat treating. I think it's the zinc in the white out. Not too sure on the element that gives the feature. I cant remember.

@athingwellmade3157 4 года назад

thanks mate, saved me some hassle

@Raul28153 Год назад

thanks for that I didn't know what plate quenching was.

@theoneandonlyowl3764 3 года назад

Nice!

@KR-ef2er 6 лет назад

nice

@iFloridaMan 6 лет назад

Damn I wish I had a kick ass beard

@genin69 5 лет назад

Im thinking you dont need those hinges on the plates. just add another clamp, then you dont have to worry about blade thickness.. also do you think the extra time it took to remove the foil influenced the treatment? Im sure the heat dropped quite a bit before hitting the oil.. I know Cold Steel has a method for oil treatment in cold oil and they have amazing heat treated blades..

@desenhoinfantilsmartbaby6209 4 года назад

Hello, I would like to know where you bought the hardness test. Thank you

@damaryusuf1624 2 года назад

great test! kinda give me some insight of what to do to harden my SS blade in the future, but I kinda not quite satisfied with the result bcs I feel like the test on the oil quenching is not done well, I mean, how if the foils was completely removed before quenching? or how if the foil just quenched along with the SS blade without removing it at all? idk if it's just me who already familiar with the oil quenching and expect better result with it but i think oil quenching should be able to do better, haha

@MrTimmmers 2 года назад

I wonder why take the sheet off the oil quenched one, why not later so it quenches faster ? For shorter less likely to warp blades at least?

@ifell3 6 лет назад

Hey great video, i guess it depends on how hard, or fragile you want the blade. Was there a right or wrong way with the foil. Learned about plate quenching and that SS needs to be wrapped in foil!!

@BlackBeardProjects 6 лет назад

Thanks mate! I don't know :')

@bluestarindustrialarts7712 6 лет назад

Very interesting. Does the foil keep scale off?

@BlackBeardProjects 6 лет назад

Thanks! Yes

@jusb1066 6 лет назад

id not heard of this, does this also have advantages for carbon steels too? i see it prevents the warping (sorry, i know little, i only get it from 'forged in fire')

@shelterskelter 6 лет назад

Jusb1066 I have not used plates to quench. However. Certain steels will do better in oil since it is very fast quenching. Warping can occur of course avoiding it more often requires making the knife thick enough to handle the thermal shock without deflection. Most people move on to High Temp Salt baths so that they can control the quench better and avoid warping. The salts baths are quite neat and very effective. Stainless is a miserable steel to deal with from my perspective however due to most customers being unwilling to maintain their knives ( ie oiling them) its what is often used. It also tends to case harden more than through hardening. Hate the stuff. Stainless for bolsters and harleys not blades lol.

@BlackBeardProjects 6 лет назад

As far as I know high carbon steels can't be plate quenched as they need to cool faster to harden :)

@shelterskelter 6 лет назад

Black Beard Projects A1 steel could be plate hardened. Any W or O steels cant. A1 is an air hardening steel. Never used it myself. Damascus or 01 for me. Only use W grade steels for burnishers and gem setting tools.

@The_Joker_ 6 лет назад

Would freezing the plates shock the stainless making it weaker or cracking it? 🤫

@robertthurman3743 6 лет назад

Probably wouldn't have much of an effect on it as much as having a much larger set of plates to heat sink.

@BlackBeardProjects 6 лет назад

No idea :) Freezer go down to what -20°C? Would be interesting to know if it makes any difference with a blade at 1050°C. I guess it can if the plates are big enough!

@user-kk5ti5om8i 5 лет назад

May-ooo ! Daylight come and we drop the bomb !

@marcelorodrigues444 6 лет назад

Eu sou brasileiro mais gosto muito do canal

@calculatedsurvival 2 года назад

6:59 Tempering an AK receiver?

@andriusvalasevicius2341 5 лет назад

You should make video with making and heattreating titanium knife or blade etc.

@noprivacyleft 2 года назад

Thanks for this. Is this similar to 304 SS?

@MrTimmmers Год назад

You may already know this, but I recently found that foil comes in different temperature grades, maybe why it stuck?

@juho1057 4 года назад

Test it without taking off the foil or maybe tear it a little from few places before submerging it to the oil as a package. I have heard that some people have tried it and it should work.

@user-lv2ew2rh9q 3 года назад

After this process, does the stainless steel get rust? Or still maintain its anti-rust feature?

@savioryeo7005 5 лет назад

I used stainless foil for D2 steel and it was also difficult to remove.

@Daledavispratt 5 лет назад

Dust your blade liberally with pure talcum powder (no scents or cornstarch added) or aluminum oxide powder..this will prevent the sticking, which is actually the foil welding itself to the steel in spots. The manufacturers of the foil give this advice on their websites.

@Abdillahsukabumi 4 года назад

Jazakalloh khoir

@DorkVader01 6 лет назад

You should build a homemade simple power hammer

@mustafatajani6593 4 года назад

Is this stainless steel 316 ? ....can we do heat treatment and tempering on two different day ?

@osvandremolinari 6 лет назад

Hello This channel is very crazy, I intend to assemble my cutlery in this style soon. How about you hear a way to build a tempering and tempering station all inside a vacuum chamber? Does slow metal cooling at room temperature decrease its degree of hardness? Why, for example, if you built a furnace to temper and revenge in a negative pressure environment and after reaching the desired temperature let everything cool slowly ??? regards

@oneshotme 6 лет назад

And it's not as messy Was the the 2 lines you see from you blowing air on it?

@BlackBeardProjects 6 лет назад

Right! I think the colored lines are where the foil was not in contact with the bevels. You can see them in black while I place the blade between the plates if you stop the right frame :)

@ilikeedc8246 4 года назад

How much fire do you use in baking? How long does it take to bake

@oskarskoglund806 6 лет назад

Why remove the foil before oilquench? Just dunk it in there, or am I totally wrong?

@xj9779 6 лет назад

Problem is that the foil doesn't have a perfect contact to the knife and you get a different cooling what results in a wobbling blade

@BlackBeardProjects 6 лет назад

Not sure, but I feel like XJ9 :)

@xaviermartinez774 4 года назад

I did not notice a cryo cycle like i e seen on other videos out there. Is that only needed for certain steels?

@nikker1 2 года назад

late reply but cryo cycle is not "required" for any steel but it gives aprox. 3 rc more hardness on certain steels

@LucaCanali 4 года назад

where you bought those files you use to test the hcr

@overjoyquidpoan4636 6 лет назад

What oil do you use is it cooking oil

@Kamal_AL-Hinai 5 лет назад

Over Joy Quidpoan motor oil I think

@dogf4ther 8 месяцев назад

Can you not just quench with the foil on and move it round enough to push it against the blade ? That would still take the heat out? Or use a oil on blade to vapour off during heat treatment and do what the paper was ment to do?

@3dp_edc 2 года назад

Did you ever figure out how to not get the foil to stick? Just wonder if your supposed to leave it on then just grind it off, wouldn't take much to remove foil

@JoeGP 6 лет назад

i've never understood the point of heating up the oil, does it cool faster if it's warm ? or are you actually trying to slow down the cooling ?

@Daledavispratt 5 лет назад

Heating the oil prevents excessive thermal-shock which can cause stress cracks. Even non-stainless steels call for a heated oil. The oil for stainless needs to be less than 125 deg. F and for non-stainless grades around 175-185 deg. F

@neerajjain4780 4 года назад

Can we use another metal used instead of aluminium

@ctc_tv 6 лет назад

I’m jealous my beard can’t look like yours lol

@griffithshandmade-knives 6 лет назад

Okay but they look like chef's knives, so don't throw away the one that's around 55HRC, use it in your own kitchen! ;) 👍 Ideally you want it a bit harder, but some German chef's knives come in at 56HRC. Or re-heat-treat it, it's not like that hasn't happened before to anyone, *cough, cough* lol!

@BlackBeardProjects 6 лет назад

Ahah! Right! That's exactly what I'll do, I'll keep the oil one for me to use :) Thank you!

@stoopidhaters 2 года назад

The problem with Plate Quenching is the edges will take longer to quench unless you made the plates more like a mold for the knife.

@eisen369 4 года назад

Hey, i have some stainless steel and want to use it for my first knife. What happens when i heat treat it without the foil like a knife with high carbon?

@mysteriousdude4934 4 года назад

Somebody correct me if I’m wrong but heat treating stainless without the foil will decarburize the knife and it won’t be able to fully harden

@dani-dynamite 6 лет назад

Hey, where did you get your hardness tester file set?

@BlackBeardProjects 6 лет назад

Ebay from Japan!

@xj9779 6 лет назад

Please tell us is this plate quecnching working with Damascus and carbon steels too I sometimes get wobbling blades

@BlackBeardProjects 6 лет назад

As far as I know high carbon steels can't be plate quenched as they need to cool faster to harden. But I never tried! :')

@xj9779 6 лет назад

Black Beard Projects thank you very much for the quick answer. I sometimes get wobbling blades especially long an thin are troublesome.

@admslayer2 6 лет назад

and if you dont remove the foil ?

@lez7875 6 лет назад

...cromo, molibdênio, vanádio.. o negócio é tabelar a tabela periódica... muito bom.

@vincentbello96 4 года назад

Salve innanzitutto grazie per i tuoi splendidi video sei davvero geniale!!! Mi farebbe piacere sapere, se è possibile, la lega dell'alluminio che utilizzi. Sul web leggendo tra i vari siti, ho appreso che l'alluminio al 99% dissipa meglio il calore. Ma online ho trovato spessori dai 20 ai 40 mm solo per particolari leghe tipo la serie 5000, 6000 o 7000 (dette commercialmente anche paralluman, anticorodal, o ergal) potrebbero andare bene per tale scopo??? Te ne sarei infinitamente grato!!! Grazie mille e scusa il distrurbo!!! Continua così....

@Apotixhmenos 6 лет назад

First like and then watch the video Nice work maaan

@emzyfilm6492 5 лет назад

add baby pouder on blade before putting it to foil ... it will prevent it to stick . look John Grimsmo heat treatment

@marcocavallin3702 6 лет назад

Ciao complimenti per il canale!! Puoi suggerirmi dove posso trovare il set di lime che usi per testare la durezza del acciaio???

@raulduke85 6 лет назад

Marco Cavallin amazon?🤔

@marcocavallin3702 6 лет назад

raulduke85 Purtroppo no

@BlackBeardProjects 6 лет назад

Grazie! Prese su ebay .com direttamente dal Giappone. 100€ comprese spedizione e tasse.

@marcocavallin3702 6 лет назад

Black Beard Projects grazie mille

@TARAIWA-PAPA 3 года назад

I ran into a problem with the Floyd plate melting.

@zexceed4388 6 лет назад

Aspetta, ma sei per caso italiano? I tuoi video sono bellissimi

@krknfmkr8919 6 лет назад

By the way, nice blades. I don't use stainless steel myself. I prefer high carbon steel.

@miloszivkovic6118 5 лет назад

Try to lower the oil temperature and you will get the same results!

@M3fguadalajara 6 лет назад

LATE SQUADDDDDD I'm sorry I failed you FOR BEING LATE😢😢😢😭😭😭😭😭

@BlackBeardProjects 6 лет назад

You rock :')

@M3fguadalajara 6 лет назад

Black Beard Projects oh thank you💙💙💙💙💙 I loved this video by the way

@harukage1436 6 лет назад

Nice video, btw no Justin Y. Im free :D

@HammerandNeil 6 лет назад

Thanks for sharing! This was very interesting. My fear with the aluminum plate is that the edge of the blade might not be in contact on both sides with the plate and might not get as hard. After using it, do you think that is the case?

@BlackBeardProjects 6 лет назад

Thank you for watching! :) The harness files can't feel any differene in the blade from tip to bevels. But it might be within 5 Rc. Anyway I blasted air directly into the edge as soon as I closed the plates hoping to make that as hard as possible