Stalin, KTR find delimitation discriminatory against Southern states. How valid are their concerns?

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Tamil Nadu CM MK Stalin has called delimitation a sword of Damocles hanging over the southern states, BRS president K Chandrasekhar Rao is also to take up the issue at the national level. According to a research paper published ahead of the 2019 Lok Sabha polls by Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, it was said that if delimitation was to be brought about in India, Tamil Nadu and Kerala would together lose 16 seats, Andhra Pradesh and Telangana would lose 16 seats.
In this episode of Political Adda, political analyst Sumanth C Raman in conversation with ThePrint's Political Editor DK Singh and Senior Assistant Editor Akshaya Nath about why Stalin, KTR find delimitation discriminatory against Southern states & how valid are their concerns.
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@KailashSingh-fm3vu 8 месяцев назад

Why not keep the present seats as they are. No one gains , no one looses. 543 seats are more than enough and just about manageable.

@bipingaikwad6710 8 месяцев назад

The problem is that a single MP (in northern state) has to manage a constituency of a very large population, which is not practical (since population in the northern states such as UP and Bihar has increased a lot)

@3008venky 8 месяцев назад

@@bipingaikwad6710MPs don’t work by themselves.. their lower structure can be expanded proportional to population.. increasing seats will cause imbalance in politics

@bipingaikwad6710 8 месяцев назад

@@3008venky We can assign more number of MPs to highly populated states... But we can assign lower weights to them in lok sabha... Having a different governing structure in different states may make things complicated...

@chandu25abc20 8 месяцев назад

@@bipingaikwad6710 is the MP in North India washing the asses of all the individuals in his constituency to get tired of having more people under his constituency. If only, the MP's in north India has worked properly, we would not have seen this population explosion in north India. First increase the number of states in north india, UP itself should be divided into at least 5 states. Keeping the MP seats intact, and dividing the north states, increasing the assembly seats based on population and by devolving more power to states can improve administration in North India. The MP seat increase is not going to benefit anyone.

@Packiam07 8 месяцев назад

India should seriously consider setting up an independent two chamber legislature where one chamber can be based on proportionate population demographics and the other with equal representation for every state in the Union to ensure fairness and equitable representation in Parliament.

@biswaroopmaiti2943 8 месяцев назад

You're just talking about the US Congress, whose dysfunction is legendary.

@Diasaster 8 месяцев назад

Two situations - one side people are saying that delimitation is bad - bcoz north. will get the more seats - on the contrary same people are supporting caste census - yes to "more population more reservation" -but no to "more population more seats" hypocrisy ??

@sujithkumar2041 8 месяцев назад

It’s not the cast but Cast discrimination is the ultimate bane of North india. Whenever empowerment of lower cast comes, North Indian upper cast parties beat it down. Look at the discussion about Santan dharma which abets cast hierarchy. All North Indian politicians especially bjp try to make it attack on Hinduism than addressing the cast connotations in which it was talked about. It’s not south doesn’t have cast. They are willing to confront the discrimination and ready to address is which resulted in social improvement, unlike north. Cast census is important step towards confronting the reality. That’s the only hope in north do a social churning and improve lower cast empowerment.

@Diasaster 8 месяцев назад

@@sujithkumar2041 why don't you go & register your "victimcard" first.. & now you are selling me the crap of udaynidhi stalin's attack on sanatan dharma as the positive argument on caste hierarchy ?? could plz tell me the population of obc,sc/st in tamil nadu ?. It's around 95%. ... brahmins are not even 1% in the tamil nadu ?? so tell me who is discriminating whom in the tamil nadu ?? 🙄 why 80+ % of the sc/st act cases is registered against OBCs ?? and now come to the north ?? so could you plz tell me who is ruling u.p and bihar from last 40 years ?? 😂 obc C.M ?? then why the hell even today bihar is the most illiterate state of india ?? 😂 and you are talking abt caste census for OBCs ?? sc/st cast census has been happening since 1951 , so can you plz tell me what changes it bring to the conditions of sc/st ?? 😂 don't come to me with random blaberring facts with no substansive evidence ...you people just hate brahmins bcoz you still are the complete failure in your life even after so many perks ....so you need someone to blame on & nothing else .... and you are saying that south has grown so much then why you are still crying for benefits ??

@master_elrond 8 месяцев назад

Exactly, same people who are crying against proportionate division of seat want CASTE NUMBER BASED reservation. Why should people of Gen should suffer for following population control. Plus someone said Caste discrimination is more in north India compared to South India, that statement has no logical and factual basis. Caste based politics is more in North India while in South esp TN , the OBCs have successfully marginalised upper caste Brahmins to capture power. All in the name of social justice.

@master_elrond 8 месяцев назад

@@sriramsakura how stupid can one be to be this ignorant.. UP was for years ruled by BSP and SP that mainly caters to SC and OBC while Bihar has always been ruled by OBC parties. Both have failed to develop.

@vikramsivakumar2943 7 месяцев назад

@@master_elrond Bz Caste is based on social discrimination so merit won't work there except merit within the caste and proportional reservation is needed but the development that happened in south was through proper policy making(social justice based), with good investment in infrastructure and appreciate political process in the states........Both might look similar unless you analyze it properly

@Anirban009 8 месяцев назад

Such an interesting video, DK ji should do another one on the same topic with someone for UP

@AkhilMolugu1 8 месяцев назад

I think these actions can be a possible solution: Allocate more Rajya Sabha seats to Southern states (and Developed states, who've managed to control population growth), Devolve more powers to states, Reorganize bigger states into smaller states. With these actions Developed states can be given trust that they're not going to be penalized.

@SS-hp4op 7 месяцев назад

I am from TN. this really concerns us. there is no point in being with India if this injustice is done. North already took our money. I will call this a slavery disguised with the name of patriotism,unity,etc

@manjulashanmugasundaram706 8 месяцев назад

When will the National Census be conducted?

@AbThinker 8 месяцев назад

People of UP and Bihar need to get its population under control otherwise it’s southern state today raising concern and tomorrow it will other northern states too.

@saikiranrao194 8 месяцев назад

Up Bihar has entire Ganges river system flowing through it , it is the og plains of the country that part of land alone can sustain entire 100 cr population with ease land is too fertile . Population won't decrease there any time soon . South India hosts inhospitable Deccan trap region people here are settled in costal regions traps are empty always .

@AbThinker 8 месяцев назад

@@saikiranrao194 then they should use these rich resources wisely and do not become burden on others. Smaller states are contributing more than them.

@drarunselvakumar5009 8 месяцев назад

Correct representation should be given as per population.

@kravivarma1567 8 месяцев назад

South States strictly did population control...North States didn't follow population control...South States contributes most of the GDP ...North States contributes very few...

@pallutillu 8 месяцев назад

Nicely put Dr.Sumanth

@jithinpoliyedathmohanan7237 8 месяцев назад

We are alredy dominated by the Hindi ethnic core of this state, now they need to basically colonise and enslave us south India 🇮🇳, we have done everything correct controlled our population gave them education and work empowered women if we do not get enough for what ever we done then we will go on our own.

@ashilshah2356 8 месяцев назад

How about having a formula which does it based on population of a state/ by area of the state?

@Creassun 8 месяцев назад

When it comes to "reservation" - reservation should be provided on the basis of population. When it comes to "delimitation" - delimitation should not be done on the basis of population.

@jayandranm1317 8 месяцев назад

Historically congress bastion was southern states Nobody casted such motivation

@prasannap7817 8 месяцев назад

if major parts of society feels injustice eventually they would want to break away from the Union. It would encourage separatist movements

@SAMARTHSAMANT 8 месяцев назад

Bjp cannot just take away seats and punish states which have controlled population . It would be an extremely disasterous and bjp knows it well .. As a solution the government should try to introduce new factors like demographic performance index ; governance ; economy and area etc . Giving seats just on basis of population would not be correct.

@Jarvis459 8 месяцев назад

This is a fake narrative. If The percentage of seats south has now out of 540 seats is X. It will be same or more out of 888 too.

@rajendervallapureddy1564 8 месяцев назад

Same way states cannot punish general castes who were the foremost in family planning and asking now for caste based census and reservations in their states.

@SAMARTHSAMANT 8 месяцев назад

@@Jarvis459 proportion of increase in population in North is wayy higher compared to south . So obviously north would get more seats .

@ravinunna1168 8 месяцев назад

Not just our souther states, Maharastra, Gujarat, Haryana, Punjab and many other states in West and North india controlled their population growth and reached replacement level birth rates. Madhya Pradesh which is twice the size of Tamilnadu has lesser population than Tamilnadu. Madhya Pradesh has done very well interms of controlling population.

@Jarvis459 8 месяцев назад

@@SAMARTHSAMANT that’s a wrong narrative. people are just seeing UP getting some 120 and are like woahh they getting more. Right now they are 80/540. If you take the percentage wise there won’t be much difference

@ShamsunderKonda 8 месяцев назад

It is inferred that implementation of women's reservation is linked to delimitation, so as to accommodate additional seats required for women, without cutting the men's strength in parliament as it stands now. However, Southern states have a genuine argument that their representation in Lok Sabha will come down if the new sensus only becomes the basis. They feel being punished for performing well on family planning front, which is a genuine concern to address. I suggest the following: 1. The distribution of the current strength of 543 not be disturbed, representing erstwhile sensus. Only the additional seats being added, over and above the 543, be distributed based on the next sensus. 2. The increase in seats can be minimized, by accounting the existing strength of about 15% of women already in parliament. Which means the increased strength of Loksabha should be 85% x 543 x (3/2), which equals to 693. It will amount to an increase of 150 seats. 3. The above will ensure that all the existing members, whether men or women will continue to retain their seats. And the additional 150 seats created would go to new women members. 4. Also, there is no need to crowd the new parliament, using it's entire capacity of 888.

@Joy-pz6yk 8 месяцев назад

Point really is we are democracy and we should follow equal participation.

@rakeshtatipamula1183 8 месяцев назад

So southern states think we shouldn’t have controlled the population which Central Govt advocated.

@vedantkasle 8 месяцев назад

delimitation can increase scope for non corrupt politicians across country.

@sunilbopaiah7514 8 месяцев назад

With the way the current government is handling centre state relationship, i would not be surprised if the southern states boycott them altogether. They are bringing a cessationist kind of mentality in South

@dv9239 7 месяцев назад

If this happens the Indian Union will shatter

@vamshikrishna1081 8 месяцев назад

Delimitation should not reduce representation of south India, else there will be back lash in south India and may raise to separate south issue,,, there is already discrimination against south from many governments

@ravinunna1168 8 месяцев назад

@steffingeorge9966 8 месяцев назад

I don't think that u are correct, in the last delimitation of 1971 the MP's' have been alloted to the respective population at those times . So whichever states that loses MP's have actually reduced pop. and whichever state that will gain have increased their population

@keralanaturelover196 8 месяцев назад

Gujrat haryana mp eyc population growth high

@ViswaMitrann 8 месяцев назад

Finally, someone used the word "consensus" in political and policy discussion

@shivaaditya5619 8 месяцев назад

The purpose of delimitation is meant to be equal representation. But as rightly said by prof, this leads to a situation like spain-catalan etc. The delimitation should first start by expanding the number of collectors (other executive staff based on population) and local assembly seats. Coming to the parliament there has to be a compromise, if not in lok sabha atleast the rajyasabha somehow to maintain the equilibrium.

@9876karthi 8 месяцев назад

If the delimitation allows to have one region more power to change the constitution....it is not equal representation. India will always have different ideology and regional differences, constitutionally giving one region more power is not equal representation imo. losing 32 representative from a region is not equal representation.

@shivaaditya5619 8 месяцев назад

@@9876karthi yeah I meant to say the rajyasabha can be used to have this equilibrium and more representation can be given to south indian states as it is nominated and can be based on GDP and literacy as said by prof.

@9876karthi 8 месяцев назад

@@shivaaditya5619 Understood , but is it fool proof? If a region has constitution power to change any things on their will, or change the dynamics of any house how is going to work? Tomorrow a fundamentalist local regional party can do anything. It may be imposing something other part of the nation without their will. As in the chat it is already imbalance 80 seats just from one state?, and same people give excuse there is no national leaders from South or other part of the country.

@shivaaditya5619 8 месяцев назад

@@9876karthi what do you propose friend?

@9876karthi 8 месяцев назад

@@shivaaditya5619 I don't know, may be increase the administrative wing in those states, more efficient local bodies, more district. These state leaders proved already they are relatively inefficient. Obviously it is not people's mistake imo, but same regional politicians grabbing more power will not go well imo. Anything except an unequal constitutional power will work I think. But whether existing central govt will have a healthy discussion on this matter is a question mark.

@karthikeyannataraj3786 8 месяцев назад

DMK will go to town with this in 2024 elections. And it’s a going to be a winning issue for them. I am actually surprised they didn’t use the occasion of new parliament opening with 888 seats to amplify their fear about south being disenfranchised to set the ground for 2024 campaign.

@92sathish 8 месяцев назад

Even without any issues they can win 40 they are being non complacent

@dv9239 7 месяцев назад

Well tell BJP to not give them this "issue"

@subramanyasaib5571 8 месяцев назад

seems this so called issue of delimitation would be employed as bargaining chip by the so called authoritarian govt at state level with the parties in power in respective states and need to be seen if it will cause more friction mainly with states where they were never in power or see very limited chances of gaining power or may be giving step motherly treatment in terms of the funds and aids such as GST, disaster assistance etc , need to come up with the proper approach to bring the proportionate representation based on the nos so that no one suffers or there are no interstate tussles (already which are there for river water sharing etc)!! Need to also see what will be the fate of NE states after this exercise considering the mess that has been happening in the second term of governance!!

@srinivasangv4030 8 месяцев назад

Duckworth Lewis methods may work here also

@user-mf9tt6hb5n 8 месяцев назад

The point is economic development and spending is more

@pinakin007 8 месяцев назад

I don’t know why Rajyasabha wasn’t mentioned in the discussion.

@surajs5913 8 месяцев назад

1:44 when did delimitation begin dependent upon socio economic indices?

@preejuani4836 8 месяцев назад

In Australia, the number of seats to parliament is based on population, whereas to balance the power of every state, they have equal number of seats in the senate (rajya sabha). This kind of keeps the balance. Additionally candidates/parties total votes in the state decide who is going to represent you in the senate (rajya sabha). This would also mean if parties do not become first, they would still have representatives in the senate (rajya sabha).

@tejesheconomics4072 8 месяцев назад

It doesn’t work india because…..Australia is not diverse by race religion or language all of them are same unlike India….South Indians may ask for a separate country if pushed like this

@biswaroopmaiti2943 8 месяцев назад

Do you seriously think Nagaland and UP should have an equal number of MPs in Rajya Sabha? This model is what has made the US Senate do dysfunctional. I don't know whether Australia borrowed this from the US or the other way around.

@Crysizz 8 месяцев назад

@@tejesheconomics4072*only tamils demand for a country.

@92sathish 8 месяцев назад

@@Crysizzlol, so others dont want their rights

@kaalishanmugam5796 8 месяцев назад

@@Crysizz we dont but we will if northerners think they can loot us with impunity! and other states in the south have developed enough maturity and courage by now to join such a movement! We all want India to be together, and it will serve us all well but if one group think they can have it all, they are responsible for any disintegration not others.

@sridhardon9588 8 месяцев назад

SOUTH CANNOT LIVE WITH NORTH AS POWERLESS STATES

@KneelBeforeBlue 8 месяцев назад

There's another solution. - allocate lok sabha allocate seats by population. - allocate rajya sabha in reverse. That'll also increase voice of the smaller states.

@chethan93 8 месяцев назад

It is correct to say we should come up with a formula which takes socio economic things also account for delimitation. The guy isn't clear in his calculations. DK says, even now BJP has 278 without southern seats which will still be the case after delimitation, but the other guy says, if BJP sweeps UP-Bihar it'll be 220 which is two thirds of total seats. He's making the calculation with 543 seats in mind but after delimitation it'll be around 880. UP-Bihar's 260 seats will still only be 30% of total seats..

@johnpep2007 8 месяцев назад

Excellent and valid points Sumanth Sir... I don't see it happening under the current govt dispensation. Consensus building is clearly not his forte.

@ginnyk7742 8 месяцев назад

Say in a place dogs populate more in a zoo will they get more space and resources than a lion or tiger or elephant for their uncontrolled indulgence? Also please note "'ये काल्पनिक घटनाओं पर आधारित है और इसका जीवित और मृत किसी भी शख्स से कोई वास्ता नहीं। अगर किसी की कहानी इससे मिलती है, तो वो बस एक संयोग मात्र है"

@sujithkumar2041 8 месяцев назад

Without addressing the cast discrimination in north no social improvement gonna happen. It’s a drag on india and the south.

@drarunselvakumar5009 8 месяцев назад

Giving freebies to poor - middle class taxpayers can say we are penalised for working hard and earning money while the lazy poor get free land Patta and cash dole.

@surajr1986 8 месяцев назад

If population is the only criteria, and it wont change, Southern states need to think about reversing their stance on population. Sad affair

@shailendrawalia5551 8 месяцев назад

Excellent argument…..let rich people have multiple votes as compared to poorer people as they contribute more….Ambani will have weightage of lacks of votes

@raghurampillarisetty7529 8 месяцев назад

This guest speaker is the last guy who should be asked to supply comments on !!!

@pratham3507 8 месяцев назад

I my opinion the simplest solution will be to just divide the current constituencies (parent constituency) into two daughter constituencies. The boundaries them them shall be setup to such that population is halved. Just like a cell division. Every gains exactly on basis of current levels.

@melvinsingh4318 8 месяцев назад

I think DK I'd a very disappointed man after today's conversation😅

@ramasamy1040 8 месяцев назад

Very sensible argument Dr.Sumanth.Congratulations.

@aamerrasheed5864 8 месяцев назад

I would divide seats based on per capita income and revise every five years

@kumar.saurabh 8 месяцев назад

Take average growth in population of all the states (in percentage terms) . Set the average percentage growth in population as a minimum line and start delimitation. Compensate the states who have fallen behind the average growth percentage and make them in parity with the average percentage growth. So lets say average growth in population in all states from 1971 to the latest census is 150%. If some state has only 120% increase in population just add 30% variable and then allot the seats to the states. You can also penalize the states as well in the same form. So, lets say if some states population has increased by 160% which would be 10% extra than the all India average. You can cut the population growth in consideration by some percentage let suppose it will be 20% of the extra growth. Then the population growth that will considered finally will be 160%- (20% of the excess 10%) which is 158%. How about that?

@abracadabra42 8 месяцев назад

in your simplistic formula.. the worse a state performs on population control, the better a deal it gets. Ideal thing would be to freeze current numbers or proportionally increase the seats. State assemblies can increase no. of MLAs to better represent their populations.

@subramaniamramasubramanian877 8 месяцев назад

Make it proportionate representation instead of first past the post for individual seats and the problem is solved. Nobody wants to talk about that because then you have to deal with 10 new minor parties with which all ALL bigger parties would have to share power

@krishnaprasadsankar2028 8 месяцев назад

No one wants Kichdi sarkar. We all know how well it ends

@way_of_life77 8 месяцев назад

love how the same people used population as a excuse for reservation but now merit and performance has come into equation when it is north and south

@pichumanisankar2617 8 месяцев назад

Absolutely, all are political chameleons😂

@deepkuayanattu 8 месяцев назад

Does states too have caste ??? Or is it only individuals ??? Also, if reservation is given on the basis of population, then why is SC/ST/OBC reservation less than 50% ?

@way_of_life77 8 месяцев назад

@@deepkuayanattu well all opposition parties do want the 50 percentage cap removed Tamil nadu has 69 percentage reservation ask DMK maybe bring merit to their reservation policy or else provide social justice to uttar Pradesh people by sacrificing as they are more in population and that is how much right they should have over state resources such as parliament . if Tamil nadu is a rich Brahmin then uttar Pradesh is a poor OBC

@tejesheconomics4072 8 месяцев назад

In this case South is a Dalit but some better than Brahmins…

@deshampravesh7108 8 месяцев назад

You are mixing Reservation with Delimitation. Reservation is given for elimination injustice of the past and help low caste people. Delimitation is about Parliament representation not jobs or economy Already South India is subsidizing a lot and giving more funds to UP and Bihar. Also giving a lot of jobs for people migrating from the North. If representation from South India decreases and central government penalises us more. If future you will have problems of session or radical parties comming in to power in South like Shiva Sena and MNS.

@Rsn144 8 месяцев назад

First First past the post is not right Proportional representation based on single transferable vote should be there.

@dnapolren 8 месяцев назад

Good.. DMK needs to be limited..

@kumar.193 8 месяцев назад

DMK is not South India. As a fellow Indian I am just disappointed with the mentality of people like you. It's these that makes us feel call for a separate country for South India feels justified.

@Vila143 8 месяцев назад

@@kumar.193 you are tamilian, don't try to club every South Indians here.

@kumar.193 8 месяцев назад

@vilaschandran7037 who told you rest of South India is ok with it? Better watch the video before commenting. The least see the title.

@karthikm.g8343 Месяц назад

Tax money is taken from south to the bimaru states and now they are taking away political representation😢.Northies are becoming a liability to us

@Joy-pz6yk 8 месяцев назад

So in every state they should also give more seats by that logic. Is DMK ready to do that? Areas that have shown better control of population they should get more constituents in state parliament.

@riteshrituraj4426 8 месяцев назад

I am a little surprised by the arguments of the guest which fundamentally conflicts with the idea of democracy..his arguments says something like this-“this guy is poor , he has five children, he doesn’t earn enough to pay tax and therefore his vote should be worth less than that rich guy who pays taxes and had just two children “ . As it is the idea of social and economic equality is utopian and there goes the idea of political equality .

@RameshPatil-qd6bi 8 месяцев назад

Not only Southern states but Maharashtra also going affect, due to migration in Mumbai, only Mumbai will gain some seat. Hence Maharashtra and southern state must fight unitedly

@sachinjosepulickal1753 8 месяцев назад

I think they should split up the karge population states into smaller factions.

@dasharathtambhale4790 8 месяцев назад

Why DK Singh is silent all through this talk. Whether he has fair views on this issue or biased view. He should have statesman's view like print claims to be a unhypenated view.

@nobody4u77 8 месяцев назад

So you want to continue electoral apartheid on northerns ??

@ckjaidev 8 месяцев назад

Actually, the northern states should be punished by reducing the seats and increasing the seats of better performing states

@suerayss 8 месяцев назад

no need. all fine as it is. I hate the BJP too. Southern states are corrupt especially the karunanidhi and KCR families.. its literally a fiefdom. More seats means more money wasted with psychophancy ministers. That asshole A Raja and Kanimozhi still roaming about with literally billions and billions of graft money.

@sujithkumar2041 8 месяцев назад

It’s always the politics not the individual to be blamed for the low social situation in north. End of the day everything boils down to individuals cast and the discrimination based on that. as long as cast discrimination continues in north as it’s done now, things would never improve. This is when the discussion about Santan Dharma and hierarchy of class is very important. The most resistance again Udayanithis sansthan talk came from upper cast North Indians BJP. I don’t see much hope from north unless the problem is faced head on

@rakadus 8 месяцев назад

The other side of the coin is not being discussed. The Northern States are a large consumer base. Production from the industrialised states are being absorbed by the larger population states. An analysis of GST data will throw light on actual ground reality from an economic perspective. Rather than talking politics, a more grounded data driven discussion would have been meaningful time spent for listeners.

@sujithkumar2041 8 месяцев назад

Consumer is king only if he has buying power. North still languishes at bottom when it comes to gdp.

@jithinpoliyedathmohanan7237 8 месяцев назад

We mostly export software,industrial machines, handicrafts,cash crops etc..I certainly don’t think any of it goes to UP,MP or Bihar they just don’t have the purchasing power, if anything they come as cheap labourers to southern states

@azankhan88 8 месяцев назад

That's just false even the consumption is far larger in Industrial States.

@SUBRAMONEYPV 8 месяцев назад

We should also base seats on education, caste, etc

@VARMOT123 8 месяцев назад

How valid ?. that fact this ridiculous question is being even asked is terrible . It is an unmitigated disaster and encouraging states with fertility rates of 3 and 4 over the past 3 decades to have more political power and these states are the most backward in the country as well

@shsumanta393 8 месяцев назад

The speaker seemed to be a guy who writes rahul gandhis speeches. First of all "India is a union of states", good one there. Second seats in parliament is based on fertility rate and gdp growth , next day they will say seats in parliament will be based on no of film stars ? Excuses never seem to come down. This guy didnt answer a few of the important questions which are 1- karnataka and gujarat which have a good gdp and around the same population as that of tamilnadu have way too lesser no of seats than tamil nadu, that is TN-39, KARNATAKA-28, Gujarat-25 2- the population density of kerala is way too high its gdp is also not that much, also it has around 1 crore less population than odisha yet it has almost the same seats as that of odisha , in what logic ? 3-in wht universe maharashtra which has a better gdp(100 billion follar more),a good population density, good industrialozation has only 9 more seats ? In that logic why does west bengal has more seats than tamil nadu, karnataka , gujarat ?

@MANTOINDIA 8 месяцев назад

Going by Raman's suggestion of state GDP to be one of the criteria, why not Ambani , Adani vote worth billion times more than us ?

@deshampravesh7108 8 месяцев назад

We don't want the same thing, India should not be run by Ambani or Adani controlling BJP or Congress and then fooling people in North India without doing any development running this country. If national elections are won by winning just Two states who vote on caste and religion, then the country will be in Jeopardy as there is no accountability for the Government. See the current situation, out of 4.5 lakh new Technology jobs created last year in India. 80% coming from Hyderabad, Bangalore and Chennai. 10% from Maharashtra. 6% from North India and 4% from the rest of India. There is no growth of Jobs in North it was 18% in 2014 now down to 6%. If this continues for a few more years then people will be on roads.

@abhilashpanda6812 8 месяцев назад

The opposition should be left out of the issue if they do not know how to do constructive criticism. But I think when comes to delimitation PM Modi should take everyone along however obnoxious they may be and just get it done with. Here is a formula, maybe a dumb one, but I say just calculate the current percentage representation of each state in Lok Sabha out of 545 seats and then allot the same percentage in terms of seats to those states. In this way, people will get benefited who are underrepresented and maybe everyone would be satisfied, maybe.

@biswaroopmaiti2943 8 месяцев назад

This will still result in the same problem. One MP will represent 10 lakh people while another will represent 50 lakh. How is this fair?

@friendeleven5711 8 месяцев назад

Distribution of wealth connected must be as per GDP per capita

@abracadabra42 8 месяцев назад

This could be more disastrous than what meets the eye. Southern and Western states are getting back much less revenue that they contribute to Central kitty… why? because the funds are being divided based on multidimensional poverty index, gap between rich and poor states, population etc. Southern states have reduced population growth to replacement levels, invested in education, healthcare, girl child empowerment, and a whole host of things that boost human development index (and rank better on multidimensional poverty index). Instead of being rewarded for doing the right thing and helping the country, southern states will have their relative strength in lok Sabha reduced if population become the main criteria for delimitation. We need real statesmanship to navigate such dangerous minefield.

@biswaroopmaiti2943 8 месяцев назад

So, you see the perils of socialistic equitable distribution of wealth. I hope you don't mind the wealth gap and the narrative about the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer 😅

@noteitdown6998 8 месяцев назад

"Independence of election commission is a joke?". Let's call this free speech the way we did for Sanatan dharma remark and once again give them a free pass. This is outrageous and courts should take suo moto cognizance against this person! For once!! Let's for once, have a discussion devoid of bigotry but unfortunately morons like him are being celebrated. Print, you can do better. At least, bring somebody from the other side too to have a fair call here.

@hypocrisy_101 8 месяцев назад

There is no other side brother these are the same clowns who can make a victim out of hitler . their politics is of victimization from it they derive their ideology, arguments and self affirmation.when they feel less of a victim at night they sleep to recharge their victimhood.they are claiming that it should be on the basis of GDP north indian would say divide on the basis of numbers in army .and no one need to be told which would make a difference these are the people who play the politics of Division when it not there and play appeasement wherever they find political benefit.

@anshuraj4277 8 месяцев назад

How is saying against commission bigotry

@user-uj8pk7qo7m 8 месяцев назад

Why is D.K.Singh not allowed to talk freely? Is this a presentation sponsored by DMK ??????????????

@drarunselvakumar5009 8 месяцев назад

Madhya Pradesh which 10 crore more population than TN has only 29 seats while TN has 39 seats. MP always had more population then TN but MP was unfairly undercut for decades.

@3008venky 8 месяцев назад

Yeah.. that’s what he is arguing.. they have not done well with population control.. hence demanding additional seats in parliament is like incentivising bad governance.. hope you get the logic..

@SAMARTHSAMANT 8 месяцев назад

So ? Tamilnadu has controlled its population as advised by central gov in past . Now delimitation would reduce tamilnadus influence in Central gov . Isn't this unfair ? How can we penalize a state for basically being good boys .

@drarunselvakumar5009 8 месяцев назад

@@SAMARTHSAMANT MP always had higher population than TN (not crossed TN post independence) the reason it was under cut on seats was due to state bifurcation in 1956 from Central India Agency state

@girishsathyanarayana2291 8 месяцев назад

What if independent communities use the same logic.

@rajeshkumarchand8802 8 месяцев назад

Various proposed options to circumvent this issue of lopsided delimitation exercise. - In the finance commission, allocation of funds to states should have higher weightage to population controls. As of now it's the lowest. weightage. - States should be permitted to retain some portion of their revenues, instead of giving all to central government. - Redrawing of state boundaries so that each state has generally equal population, so that all are represented equally not proportionally. This may be difficult but it will have some semblance of equitable justice. - Remember our nation is a Union of States and a quasi federal government

@robairtrader 8 месяцев назад

Vanakkam

@TheAb9211 8 месяцев назад

I could see DK being sad at the way he was being told the present govt is terrible at building consensus and might not be successful in having a peaceful delimitation. DK kept asking whats the alternative just like If not Modi, then who. His political biases are showing. Better for a journalist to be neutral.

@S-uv7fu 8 месяцев назад

Internal Migration is the only long term solution , South has industries , North has cheaper labour , Any state with net TFR

@yashkanodia34 8 месяцев назад

The current system with Anti Defection law has made all MP rubber stamp of the party. In this system, an MP represents his party and not his constituency. In this perspective, it might be unfair for citizen of southern states. But if the MPs were not bound by Anti defection law, while representing their constituency, it would be unfair for residents of North. They would be considered less a citizen than their fellow residents of South just because they were born there.

@KneelBeforeBlue 8 месяцев назад

- Equalization of rajya sabha saats like US senate. - Decrease funding to BIMARU states. - BIMARU can raise money through bonds.

@madankulkarni1715 8 месяцев назад

DK pl keep discussing this issue with others also including saideepak, sanyal, ajeet bharati, vivek agnihotri , saurabh dwivedi, My solution : Add few factors to population like gdp contribution, law& order & crime, niti developnent index, & REVALUATE EACH VOTE IN STATE. MEANING EACH STATE HAS DIFFETERNT VOTE CURRENCY VALUE SAY LIKE 1, 0.8 ,04 ETC..

@Vila143 8 месяцев назад

Why should we add that , when it comes to obc/sc/st these anti hindu DMK party keep on saying that "jiski jitni abadi uski utani hissedari" what happens to that . Now when the same principle is applied in delimitation these people want raise merit and performance issues. In delimitation they want merit to be considered but when it comes to social justice it's abadi. It's double standards let delimitation happen I want them to feel the pinch on what it feels when merit is stiffled it's divine karma

@aryanhacker5820 8 месяцев назад

All south growth fuel by North cheap labour .

@rohitkumarjena3382 Месяц назад

Delimitation propaganda by ktr and stalin 😂😂😂

@NaveenNT 8 месяцев назад

Let us propose to have seats based on the percentage each state contributes to the national GDP. For example if Maharashtra contributes 14% then 14% of seats in parliament to MP's from Maharashtra and so on. Why should progressive states with good progress be punished and laggards like Bihar be rewarded with more seats?

@kaushikiyer4881 8 месяцев назад

Yeah but what exactly is a solution? If a formula be proposed on the basis of GDP, wouldnt that be a discrimination against the "poor people" of the country? It will always be a case of some parties losing seats and some gaining. I think the centre is going to ram it through but you cant really do anything about it. Its a brazen power move but in the BJPs perspective, what are you gonna do about it?

@dsrao7288 8 месяцев назад

Will the politicians agree to give voting power based on education and wealth ? Like (Eg) : Unemployed : 7 votes, Senior citizens (wisdom) : 6 votes, PHDs ( 5 votes), Degree holders (4 votes), Students (3 votes), working class (2 votes), government employees(1) , goons and criminals (0) votes ?

@pichumanisankar2617 8 месяцев назад

Aahaa-😂😮😢😂😂

@biswaroopmaiti2943 8 месяцев назад

I guess you want to go back to the British system? The primary principle of the Indian freedom movement was 1 person 1 vote. This is enshrined in our system. Cannot be changed unless you decide to re-colonize once again

@biswaroopmaiti2943 8 месяцев назад

So you mean, Dr. Manmohan Singh should get 11 votes and Lalu Prasad, Chidambaram etc should get zero? Imagine the chaos in the opposition camp 😅

@pichumanisankar2617 8 месяцев назад

@@biswaroopmaiti2943 - Chidambaram is Harvard educated.

@hard-crackers1227 8 месяцев назад

How does delimitation discriminate? Can anyone explain with the southern states that the population of the state is less than Rajasthan and the number of seats is higher?

@MrTooDuce 8 месяцев назад

Because, upon independence. Southern states took population control seriously and used public education to reduce the population growth. Now they are going to be punished for doing that by loosing seats.

@user-fh4on1ce7s 8 месяцев назад

After independence, the South Indian states implemented effective population control to help the country. Why did Rajasthan not do that? Now, without helping the country by implementing effective population control, you cannot ask for more seats and reduce the representation of people who implemented the population control scheme well. Given this history, seats cannot be purely assigned based on population in a state.

@shivakrishna1743 8 месяцев назад

You cannot encourage irresponsible population multiplication by giving them more say in the country. For example, if a southern state with low MPs wants something(could be a project or something which can be given to only one state) from union govt and a Northern state with high number of MPs wants same thing. To whom would they give? Another example, if govt introduces the bill saying Hindi(you can replace it with any other bill) is must for all states, with the new delimitation the bill will definitely pass independent of, if entire south MPs vote against it. And what will stop southern states from giving up family planning? The south won't do that but they might say "enough is enough we want separate southindia country." which is not good for our country, and many foreign countries (both west(US) and east(China)) just want that.

@HeavenRacer422 8 месяцев назад

@@user-fh4on1ce7sso don't you want population according representation? It's social justice

@ravinunna1168 8 месяцев назад

@pavankumarramabhotla6623 8 месяцев назад

The most reasonable solution is the reduction of powers at rhe center and its devolution to the states. One way is reduce number of subjects in the center and concurrent list and add it to the state list.

@pavankumarramabhotla6623 8 месяцев назад

Once the powers of the center are reduced, the question of how many seats to allocate at the parliament becomes moot. This scramble for seats is aggressive as everyone is trying to retain/increase power and control over resources within the nation.

@motei1853 8 месяцев назад

South needs to secede if delimitation is done on population

@DakuriKamaldeep 8 месяцев назад

Simply solution, separate South India, make us a separate country. We are tired of giving taxes for the hindi belt to squander it... I mean, we hear hundreds upon hundreds of children dying of encephalitis. I mean, you can't even solve basic things even after decades. Why should South India support North India and Central India. We don't mind supporting our brothers and sisters in the north if they were making in roads in fighting the challenges. But we don't see that happening.

@pichumanisankar2617 8 месяцев назад

The best way is just to postpone delimitation as they have done in the past.😂 Another way is to take the national average population growth since last delimitation and apply it to all States so that it will be more or less equitable.

@abracadabra42 8 месяцев назад

the best way is to ask UP walas and Biharis to use condoms

@SAMARTHSAMANT 8 месяцев назад

Postponing delimitation may not work . Delimitation is an essential electoral exercise and as a democratic country we are bound to carry it . Even the next solution isn't good since certain state would he more represented in comparison to people in it . Best solution is to introduce criterials like demographic performance ; governance; birth control etc along with population. This will work .

@SAMARTHSAMANT 8 месяцев назад

@@abracadabra42 fertility rate across even up and bihar is reducing now .

@pichumanisankar2617 8 месяцев назад

@@SAMARTHSAMANT - all are giving opinions which are only amateurish. We have to take the advice of constitutional experts and the stake holders. Why did they postpone the delimitation exercise twice. Sticking to the existing numbers is an easy solution.

@abracadabra42 8 месяцев назад

@@SAMARTHSAMANT it is reducing 'now'.. atleast 25 years behind most states, all the while sucking up tax resources from the 'richer' states. UP is doing well, have to appreciate Yogi-ji. Bihar is still a basket case

@sanjaysaksena619 8 месяцев назад

Under no circumstances we should deviate from population as the sole criterua for delimitation. Southern states gave always had less representation than northern states since 1947. No putpose will he served by dighing up settled isdues . Everywhere in the world, poulation is the sole criteria for representation. If Manipur and Nagaland and Mizoram etc can live with just a few seats in the Parliament why canjot TN or Kerala ? .

@SandeepReddy-c 8 месяцев назад

Then central government itself should not have brought up the policy of population control, this is like punishing the people who abide by the rules and this is utterly injustice. There must be a way out form a committee to take representation from every party of every state and discuss, this great country has always solved the greatest probs this can also be sorted out. But if forcefully the central government tries to push this on us we will fight back and none of us will bear it. This is a very serious issue and the central government must do it through dialogue and discussion or else this will never happen.

@naomi..-_ 8 месяцев назад

D K Singh has no argument. He is unhappy...

@kayr3487 8 месяцев назад

Dr Sumath was fantastic in this interview

@surajsajeev1988 8 месяцев назад

Pondycherry hold my beer

@SUBRAMONEYPV 8 месяцев назад

Good idea. TN people should not be allowed to take up jobs outside TN

@shivakrishna1743 8 месяцев назад

The South states do have a point.

@maniaphobia4719 8 месяцев назад

Some how , Equal representation has to be established which is Justice and Constitutional ; Constitution never talk about South / North / East / West parts of India ; it is politicians making ; Let it pave the way for National Parties to thrive in State elections ; All State parties try to become National parties ( Or ) vice versa ; Then there is no complaint ; My personal view is State parties are redundant and exist only to take credit in Union Govt Schemes while unnecessarily opposing Union Govt ; This has to be done away with first ;

@maheshjambardi771 8 месяцев назад

I would assume you live in the North. I am an out and out BJP supporter. On two things though I strongly oppose them. Ramming Hindi down the throat of everyone and reducing political power of the South. I am quite reconciled to the fact that the Southern and Western India will have to subsidise the BiMaRU states for the foreseeable future.

@maniaphobia4719 8 месяцев назад

@@maheshjambardi771 that’s is Social Justice in South parlance ;

@premnathd 8 месяцев назад

@@maniaphobia4719yes that is Social Justice. The South does not oppose giving it to the Bimura states. Are we seeing any outcomes out of it ? To ensure outcome, set a target and reward the states accordingly. Let the union govt say whichever states that achieve GER above 40, will get more allocation. If the fertility rate is reduced, award them more money.. these kinds of check will ensure growth. Giving money just based on the population is putting money down the drain ..

@maniaphobia4719 8 месяцев назад

@@premnathd Ji , Giving / sharing with other States are better than taking away in an illegal fashion ; Sand , Liquor , Cinema etc become illegal and total revenue goes to Party bigwigs; Very difficult to book this illegal activities , under current law ; These are to name a few and God and Dravidians know what are other Illegal ongoing activities;

@pvvenkatachalam8022 8 месяцев назад

I dont know why Sumanth keeps on bringing his hatered for bjp in a technical topinc like this. We must hv had a discussion with a apolitical person.

@HeavenRacer422 8 месяцев назад

Dravidians talk about social justice and don't want to give population wise representation to north. They have only 3 dalits in 35 member cabinet . Social justice is just break hindu into caste and give benifit to Christians.

@deshampravesh7108 8 месяцев назад

Social Justice is not done by just giving seats in the cabinet. In my state Telangana government gives 10 lakh cash transfer for each and every dalit family. Can any North Indian State can give this amount. All the Central schemes are copied from South. Rythu Bandhu is copied Kissan Samman. Mission Bhagiratha is copied as Har Ghar ko Jal etc. Modi is a very good politician but not as good an administrator as Southern Chief ministers. My state Telangana was 9th richest big state in country by percapita in 2014 but now it is 1st richest state followed by Karnataka, Haryana and Tamilnadu. Telangana with half the population of Gujarat earns more taxes than Gujarat. Once our KTR said in Interview, Telangana has not done any Investment summit in last 9 years but attracted 5 lakh crore investment and created 16 lakh new jobs. Whereas state like Maharashtra, Uttar Pradesh and Gujarat are doing investment summits every few years but there are no jobs but Mou from big businesses.

@sarathreddy3043 8 месяцев назад

Who asked the hindi belt to have 4 to 5 children?

@saikiranrao194 8 месяцев назад

@@deshampravesh7108 bruhh i am from Telangana , preciously suryapet and no telengana govt doesnt grant 10 lacs to any dalit . Maharastra , Gujrat are bigger and quite ahead from our state . telenganas biggest problem is inhospitable deccan core lack of water which was and still is the biggest problem . and yes kcr wins election by playing state identity card each time the great sage who created telengana from united andhra well for good tough . his party and family is similarly involved in corruption as was jaylalitha in tamil nadu . hydrabad is the only region where all of telenganas resources are poured . for that instance Maharastra has mumbai , poona , nagpur and gujrat has ahmedabad , surat , rajkot all on equal footings .

@deshampravesh7108 8 месяцев назад

@@saikiranrao194 Do you know what developments happening in Telangana. Learn more about Medical devices Park, Datacenters in Chandan Valley, Mobility Valley, Kakatiya Mega Tectile park etc. Telangana has the highest percapita in the country among big states 317000. Have you ever gone to Maharashtra and North Karnataka. Just see How pathetic their roads are. I went to Suryapet recently while traveling to Chirala in AP. I saw all concrete roads and proper underground drainage built all over town. It is very hard to move IT companies in rural Telangana because there is not enough talent or facilities. In my company apart from Telangana, AP there are people from North, Pune, Bangalore and Chennai working together in a project. If you ask them to work from Suryapet they will simply resign.

@sujithkumar2041 8 месяцев назад

Modi has too much of a baggage to be seen as a statesman and to be trusted by ppl other side of the political divide