the german movie Stalingrad from the 90's was gritty, realistic, epic just like Das Boot. this russian movie is more like instagramfiltergrad than stalingrad.
At that time, people believed in a miracle and they needed to, though not a lot of love. And if you have not watched the movie, I will tell you the ending, she was left alone, and they all died, and the kiss was the only one there.
Thomas Kretschmann, who plays in both, said the German version was much more visceral as compared to this movie, which was more of a green screen and CGI film.
German and american are the best. Our Russian crap is a shame for many people. Unfortunately, in Russia cinema production is corrupted machine of getting national budget's money, so they don't care if anyone will watch it.
I gotta agree. Even if it was presented from germans' point of view It was a quite balanced and honest portrayal of how terrible was the battle of Stalingrad
You have to consider the audience. When I started teaching 20 years ago, kids had a very good attention span. I would put on a war movie and they would be glued to the screen. After years of video games and cell phone use, now when I put on a war movie, a lot of the kids fall asleep or start checking their phones. This movie still tells an important story, but it does so for an audience that has grown up on Marvel movies. If you want your story to be told, sometimes you have to adjust the medium.
Mister Sierra. Thank you for your comment. I have been teaching for 18 years, and my experience is identical to yours. I teach World History, and when I put on a film that goes with the course material (e.g. the '79 version of All Quiet on the Western Front or Paths of Glory) my current students simply fall asleep. They can't even follow the linear logic of a 90 minute film. Many of them can't handle anything longer than a TikTok video. My students of 2005 would've loved these films, but the kids of today really are a different species.
LOL, I recall both Speilberg and Omar Sharif saying that the massed armies shown in Lawerence of Arabia (Speilberg did the restoration of the movie) could not be done today as it would cost too much. With all the aeroplanes used in the 1969 classic The Battle of Britain, the film production company had the 35th largest air force in the world at the time. As Speilberg states audiences are not fooled and know the difference between CGI and the real thing so for me it has to be the real thing.
@Murtaza yep your right there so mutch vids and films about the americans etc, but for a german like me, its nice to see german soliders and thier views!
you're right ____ but this movie is shot in a fucking hollywood style ... absolute commercial bullshit _____________________________________________________________
In order to know what happened in Stalingrad, one should listen to German and Russian soldiers. And of course the civilian population of both countries.
@@angusheider2038 It's a garbage movie that sympathizes nazi war criminals. People admire it because of their anti-communist bias. Tons of movies like this one are made in Hollywood but nobody sees anything wrong.
My grandfather was a fighter pilot on axis side...he survived at 5 campaigns and he was wounded two times during the dog fights....from every side war is a big shit!!!!
For me this movie just looks dumb and ridiculous. A movie needs more than special effects to be engrossing. There is no sense of restrain, and it just makes the movie look like a cartoon.
в самом начале всплывает логотип колумбии, но все почему-то думают, что это продукт российского кинематографа. Наверное потому что актёры, как-бы российские.Но они все либерасты американского разлива
The Battle of Stalingrad was one gigantic mass grave for 2,000,000 people and every year when the Winter Snow has melted away they are sill finding Bone fragments 76 years later.
There was a book written about this, I read it when I was a teenager. It was called 900 Days: The Siege of Leningrad “. Horrifically mesmerizing. My relatives were Volga Germans who left in 1917 (for many reasons) and settled in Western Kansas. War does so many things to so many people.
History don't say to much abaut the Romanian army 250000 men fighting with German army in Stalingrad.Hungarian army ,Italian army,Croatian army.All those men died there .History is one for all of us.
John Doro yep and they were the cause of the failure in stalingrad😂german army carried them all the way long and always needed to reinforce the sectors of the other nations because they were shit
Dimtiri dude you know th Wehrmacht does not mean nazi!!! Wehrmacht was the normal german army with normal german People fighting for their country. Not every german was nazi! The actual nazis were in the SS and SA... dude go to school and educate yourself properly instead of being fooled by propaganda of the Allies
When Americans make a film about World War II, on the one hand you have the feeling that you are watching a typical western, or on the other hand, the film is unbearably pathetic. There is already a German film about the Battle of Stalingrad from 1993 by Joseph Vilsmeier, which is very authentic. I say that as a German.
Its a russian director produced by a Japanese production company. And good American war films: Saving private Ryan, schindlers list, flags of our fathers, the pianist, a walk in the sun, letters from iwo jima, hell in the Pacific. To name but a few. Stop talking shit mate.
@@olliej111 america have some good movies about war, but is freccuently seen political publicing there and i hate that the war is something horrible is not something for show the others countries your talent for make war o show you like a hero. for example apocalypse now is my favourite american movie about war because Coppola shows the desgrace that come with a war and what can do with your mind
Russian cinema has given us some undisputed masterpieces, including war films that not only elevated cinematic language but captured the horrors in unprecedented ways. One need look no further than Elem Klimov’s “Come and see” for example. And then there is this movie “Stalingrad”.... what can I say in comparison? Even the directors of the Soviet Union were able to outwit and navigate censorship to transcend propaganda and deliver lasting cinematic works of high technical and aesthetic mastery and then there is this movie “Stalingrad”... well, what can I say in comparison?
Come And See should be required viewing. I watched it once. It gets its point across completely and perfectly, and I can't imagine ever watching it again. It changes you.
Seriously though...the Anthony Beevor book on Stalingrad is very good. Amidst all the death, destruction, snipers and lice some very interesting things were happening at the high command level. Stalin and his mostly incompetent political officers (commissars) gradually stopped micromanaging the Red Army. On the German side, the opposite was happening. It’s a very compelling story how people like Zhukov, Chuikov and Rokossovski pulled the Soviet chestnuts out of the fire through shear wits, courage and perseverance.
Unfortunately Dash, people don't read scientific and historical books. They prefer to be guided by bad films and the prejudices in them. Hollywood or others. The drama counts and not the historical truth.
@@JulienVercel sure they do. I read Beevor's book when it was first published and I'm pretty sure I've consumed a majority of the material written about the Eastern Front. That's not saying a lot though - before the fall of the Iron Curtain, the accounts from the Soviet side or the Polish side were not available. Scholarship has been trickling out since then, but considering the sheer magnitude of the conflict, there isn't very much. But the point is: there are people who want to know more than what's shown at a movie theater.
John Schultz, STALINGRAD was the bloodiest battle in history with 1.1,000,000Russians dead and 800,000 Germans and their various allies. It was a decisive victory for Russia. Kursk was the largest armoured battle ever fought in July 43.Again the Russians had a decisive win. That war was won in July 43.It was a Russian victory. More Russians died in front of their own firing squads that the allied loses on D-day, thousands more.
I was really anticipating this movie but once I saw a flick with soldiers running aflame and continue to fight that it was too much BS and had to turned off this fantasy movie. This scene was good for Lord of the Rings or some like that but not here.
+Rafal T. You know, in german archivs were documents about different fights. In some of them the germans reported about russians, which were standing in flames, but continued to fight, until they burned down or were shoot down. So don't be too fast about "fantasy scenes". If you want, you can google it, i'm pretty sure you will find some detailed informations. And for the future - don't be to fast with your critic, if just don't believe in something or when it is just your opinion.
Actually even lord of the rings was more realistic, ironic cause in the 3rd lord of the rings movie a guy DOES get set on fire and he runs around and falls to his death which is realistic
The 1993 German movie Stalingrad is great and very gritty from the average German soldiers’ perspective. They go from being high on victories in Southern Europe to total hell at Stalingrad. When I hear the name Stalingrad mention I always think back to that movie portrayal.
Problem with 1993 movie is, that it seems to randomly skip from one event to another without giving any clue how we got there. It feels as if someone had removed every second scene. Like one moment its like its like mid-autumn and suddenly we are in january.
I wish someone would make a proper film about Stalingrad or even a mini series like band of bros...this was a hell of a battle that totally changed the direction on ww2...until then the all powerful German army didn't know what defeat was...someone could really make a epic film or series if they done it right
it really would need to be a miniseries. Two or three hours wouldn't be sufficient to tell the entire story. Both Germany and the USSR lost more soldiers in that one battle than the US did in the entire war.
I had high hopes for the film but was utterly disappointed. Even Kretschman didn`t convince. Voice over I horrible and the story line is ludicrous. Watch the original Stalingrad version, the German one from the 90ies. Much much better.
I agree. I bought a used copy of the book many years prior to the movie version of Enemy At The Gates. The book took years of research and answered many questions I had about the entire German invasion of the USSR. In fact I read the book several times it was so interesting. I really admire most of the actors involved in the movie, so I was really hopeful about it, all the while knowing how Hollywood makes shite of history. Of course the movie IS shite. It is like the script writers ripped every page from the book and wiped their asses with each page as they went along. I won't bother trying to find this Stalingrad movie. It's too bad because most US citizens refuse to read well researched history. They watch some crappy movie and think they know all about the history of the subject matter. If the citizens of the US really knew what the Soviet people went through during WWII, and the sacrifices they made, they might understand why the Union Of Soviet Socialist Republics was so F'd up, and also why we aren't the only ones who can claim credit for defeating the Nazi regime. The book puts a human face on both the Soviet, and the Axis participants. It is a facet of WWII that is not taught in US schools, and it damn well should be.
@@rtwhitson3 actually there are a lot of russian movies about WW2. And it is an historical victory they are really proud to have won. German or Russian war movies are interesting to see. They may be patriotic, btw like all Hollywood movies actually. And obviously war is this thing where most people fight not because of an ideal, but because they have too.
The battle that turned the tide was the Battle for Moscow a year earlier. That was the first time the Germans had been stopped and thrown back. But people don't want to hear that, so Stalingrad it is.
What turned the tide was pushing back Barbarossa to June 21st instead of May 21st. The Wehrmacht had to first bailout the Italians in the Balkans and Greece. Because of this, the Germans lost a month, which would come back to haunt them in October, when General Winter came early!
This is pretty good. Has anyone here seen Иди и смотриi (Idi I Smotri)? It's from a Russian (Soviet) perspective and absolutely brutal. It's one of the finest movies ever made and at the same time very heartbreaking and hard to watch. The director, Elim Klimov, was a survivor of Stalingrad. Check it out.
Great movie. People will have something negative to say but for someone who's sick and tired of yout typical Hollywood movie, this one is a breath of fresh air.
Мы убили 70% всех армий Европы. В Сталинграде погибли - итальянская армия . Венгерская армия . Румынская армия. Немецкая армия. мы уничтожили - немецкую армию + Дания франция Чехословакия Литва Эстония латвии Испании Норвегии и Болгарии. А потом 1.000.000 японцев за 2 недели в маджурии где они капали укрытия 10 лет. Мы умеем воевать)))
I see Stalingrad is now getting the flashy CGI treatment. As others have said, do yourself a favour and watch Joseph Vilsmaier's movie from 1993. To get a true sense of the history you can't get better than Antony Beevor's book on the subject.
@@darkviatic Stalingrad may be the battle with most casualties, but the germans would have lost, even if they took Stalingrad, the battles i mentioned had bigger historical impact
@@awrfcex it is arguable what battle had bigger historical impact, but why would anyone trigger on the word "greatest", when the word literally mean "much more than average in degree or quantity".
@@darkviatic I guess its up to the individuals definition of greatest XD were some understand it as the most causalities, the biggest scale or the historical significance
Poland and Finnland would disagree as they were attacked by the USSR a few years ago. There are no saints up there in the politics. If you referring to the civilians in Stalingrad, you are right. But most soldiers in the Wehrmacht were conscripted and if given the choice would rather be home than fighting in russian Winter for a shattered city with no more gain than (if successful) to fight three weeks later further east. The normal people have almost always the least guilt and the most sacrifices to make.
@@dgerdi True, there are no saints in politics(it is all for power, money resources). Finland definitely was attacked by Stalin, while Lenin gave freedom to Finland before. But after that, no wars and before no wars. Poland attacked USSR straight away after Russia collapse, when USSR just born. There was many times Poland attaked Russia, so no one cares about they complains. Both are guilty.
Actually there were Tigers built already, but not issued to the troops engaged at Stalingrad. I seem to remember the first Tiger was captured near Lenimgrad in Oct. 42
@@gui3777 Quit whining, every adult German is responsible for voting Hitler in power and then fighting for him in the war. Believing in "clean wehramacht" and other such lies makes you a moron or a neonazi. Ask someone who has experienced the war before you tell them "the Germans were good boys, they were just misslead by the nazis".
Hate to say this but this is one of my favorite battles from WW2 . Those Russians are nothing to play with coming out the hell hole to fight 🙌🏼 Much luv -Dallas Tx - Latin American much respect
My grandfather Sergiusz Artiom fought and survived that hell , for 900 days he ate German burgers when the rats 🐀 ran out , those were men of honour and courage when it’s our time to stand up to tyranny will we , like they did?? God bless the greatest generation to ever walk this planet, we will always remember your sacrifice and if needed we will walk in your footsteps and honour that sacrifice 💯
Yet another glossy view of war made all the worse because the actual battle [s] @ Stalingrad is a great example of the hell that war really is. The german movie ‘Stalingrad’ is a closer to reality depiction of the insanity of war. But if you want to see a movie that describes war, specifically WW2 in Beyelorussia the russian movie ‘Come and See’ is an unflinching account of the brutality and depravity seen through the eyes of a young boy’ the authors of that movie were survivors of the war, one as a boy in Stalingrad and the other as a boy partisan in Beyelorussia, together they wrote the script for ‘Come and See’ as a heartfelt warning about war and a call for peace. The movie was made in Soviet Russia.
@John Eshleman The Association of German National Jews (German: Verband nationaldeutscher Juden) was a German Jewish organization during the Weimar Republic and the early years of Nazi Germany that eventually came out in support of Hitler. Prominent Jewish business leaders wrote letters in support of the Nazi regime calling on officials in the Jewish community in Palestine, as well as Jewish organizations abroad, to drop their efforts in organizing an economic boycott.[3] The Association of German National Jews, a marginal group that had supported Hitler in his early years, also argued against the Jewish boycott of German goods. Stay in school Nazi
I saw it in IMAX 3D, with subtitles as it was in Russian and German. Amazing visual experience, totally well done. Then you see it on small screen or RU-vid and it's like meh. And of course the storyline has, hum, quite a few holes. The "love angle" strangely didn't bother me much though. It was believable and not offputting.
Almost all war movies are cartoons and very few manage to capture some of the reality. This is no exception. It's totally impossible to capture the incredible horror and ferocity of the battle of Stalingrad, only show us cartoon images.
I liked it! It’s a movie period! Great graphics! Earlier Stalingrad movie is the best! Any movie that stirs interest in reading history is a good idea!
Umm pretty sure the title of "heart of the homeland" goes to either Moscow or Leningrad/Saint Petersburg. This city's importance was mostly due to Stalins ego
Вам не хватает компетентности! Через этот город Гитлер рвался к кавказкой нефти! Эго Сталина это один и тот же мундир за всю жизнь и отказ менять свое ребенка на генерала.
Just so you guys know, you can still keep fighting while on fire but only for 45-50 sec I've seen this shit happen before and it's not as badass as some of you might think, you can hear the screaming and the smell of clothes and skin burning on fire! War can have its moments for every human being, but it's a moment you have to go through to truly understand emotionally.
Fighting while on fire did happen in STALINGRAD. A Russian soldier with two petrol bombs attacked a panzer, a lucky shot hit one of the molotov cocktail covering the Russian in burning petrol, he ran on and smashed the remaining petrol bomb onto the panzer. This is documented and is noted in Antony Beevors book, Stalingrad.
There's a scene in this film where burning Russian soldiers run head first, shouting and firing weapons at a defensive German line with machine gun emplacements (who seemed to have forgotten how to operate firearms) and somehow the Germans are overrun. It's like OTT American patriotism dialed up to 400,001
I saw this movie! It is so intense, specially the one to one fight scene is very much realistic & intense! I got one kind of "saving private ryan" flavor in this movie. Alas, if it is made by any hollywood director, it might got more accolades than it's already received!!
