Star Trek Discovery | Lorca USS Discovery And USS Gagarin vs Klingons Destroyer Ships Battle Scene 

Yeah Lorca is the only decent character in that whole dumpster fire of a show

@@joebloggs5318 aside from Saru, Pike, Stamets, Tilly (maybe), Culber, Georgiou, Spock, Number One, and pretty much everyone else.

Also the military "Understod?"

If Prime Lorca does somehow show up in Strange New Worlds, I hope he's not all that different in temprement.

I have to preface this with "I've seen nothing other than the pilot episode", but he seemed like a horrible character. A Captain who isn't giving orders then berates his crew for not...opening fire on other ships without being given an order to? Now, in theory, a Captain could have standing orders of "shoot enemy ships on sight" or something, but generally in IRL navies (and from what we've seen of Trek ones), firing before being given the order to fire is a no-no. So berating the weapons officer for not firing when YOU HAVE NOT GIVEN HIM THE ORDER TO FIRE is nonsense. He also seemed to demand instant reports on things right after giving an order but before anything has had time to happen. Like when he asks the operations officer "Got anything?" then, before she could even open her mouth to reply, says her name again, demanding something when he literally didn't give her a chance to even open her mouth and reply to his initial question. His "UNDERSTOOD?!" seemed unnecessary. That said, there ARE jerk COs out there that are like that, so I'm more willing to let that slide. But the whole "I CAN'T HEEE-AAARRR YOUUUUU" nonsense is toxic leadership at the best of times...and this show isn't the best of times. Same with the "DID WE GET 'EM BOTH?!?!" before giving his officer a chance to respond to "DID WE GET BOTH TORPEDOES?" . I've heard this show is a dumpster fire, and this battle seems to support that view. I'm also curious what math genius thought going from 100% -> 70% -> 30% -> 10% shields made sense. Moreover, 30% -> 10% taking a single torpedo hit means if they HAD taken both torpedoes, they might have been destroyed...

Yes! Honestly I don't watch anymore after his death.

@@sylshark1 I gave it a second chance. And Holy shit does this show blow. Character choices make no sense. They have a chance to introduce proto borg and instead went with skynet rip off. And the red angel sub main story was super shitty. I'm not gonna even try the 3rd season. God awful.

@@Simplefng Smart choice. 3rd season sucked. That was enough for me.

@@Simplefng Control's nanites even looked like Borg nanoprobes.

It's possible that Prime Lorca could still be the badass military starship captain but not evil at all.

and not talking about their emotions for a change.

Lorca was prefect for this war. Starfleet had great captains but Lorca was a warrior!

uh with lines like, mr reese can i trouble you to fire at something? lol no

@@korben7710 Exactly, and a warrior is exactly what Starfleet needs in war time. Lorca was amazing captain and asset to the fleet . . . undercover villain or not.

"Sure! I just wanted to destroy all those pesky Klingon ships first."

Maybe Cpt.Lorca should have asked he could trouble the Gagarin to fire at something instead of Reese.

Yeah, I didn't like Discover in how it was presented but I admit, the battles were awesome. Especially since with the Spore Drive you could pick up a distress call and immediately drop in to assist.

@@randomlyentertaining8287 did u see the season 2 battle finally? It was amazing, their is a moment when Pike moved the enterprise to take the on coming fire for discovery, pike is amazing next to lorca

Lorca had great lines. I love tough, masculine alpha men!!!!!

@@2snowgirl520 Question how the he'll did one get on this show... of course that's why they had to kill him off.

meh that line is a little weird, you dont have time to say that shit in real battle. But maybe all these battles are made by Gamers over remote subspace needle cast in the REAL future

Of course. Humans first, they view humans as a asuperior race locked in a endless war for the culture. They might compete with each other but the terrains always back each other agianst aliens. They are militaristic xenophobes

Terrains wouldn't have won a single war without the ability to work together against a common foe. They like knives in the back and poison to advance their lot but know they have to stand together when bullets are flying.

Yeah, and? Don't be racist!

Lets put aside Lorca's larger agenda for a moment and try to compare the Terran empire with the Roman empire for the sake of argument ( Terrans were modelled after Romans - just read the Emperors name ). Roman empire was utterly corrupt, decadent and at one point sitting on the throne was more dangerous than being a soldier in a pitched battle. The Senate and patrician families often stabbed each other in the back, plotted and schemed just as how the Terrans are depicted to us in Star Trek. But we also know that the Centurions were extremely loyal to their men ( Centurion commands a century of a 100 men, pretty much like a Captain commands a ship of similar crew compliment ) and they *RARELY had grand ideas of ascending to the throne, backstabbed their peers or plotted against the emperor. ( Generals usually fell to this ambition and most of them were ... patrician ). The way Trek portrays Terrans we are lead to believe that every single citizen of billions has the same ambition of rising to the throne based on a handful of ambitious characters we see on screen. Characters that belong in the upper echelon of Terran society, in some way close to the emperor or are just overly ambitious captains ( who more often than not end up dead as a result of their ambition ). It is not hard for me to imagine middle/low class Terrans operating in a way Lorca operated in these scenes.

"to shield another ship with his own life" ... it seems like he knew the Gagarin and its Captain.

I loved him all the time, even after he was MU.

Perhaps we might get to see the non mirror Lorcon, eventually make an appearance.

Prime Lorca was not this strong according to memory alpha

They need to make good Lorca...

I still love Lorca

%100👍

They couldn't really do much to begin with, but its nice to see that he is not a fan of failure.

i wonder if he had some emotional attachements from his universe to that ship

I’m sure that would be the reaction of ANY navy CO - hell ANY navy personnel PERIOD. Ships are not cheap to replace, crew even more so as you have to train them, get the raw materials to make the hull, etc. and said crew is hard to find in the first place. I can only imagine how daunting a task it was for the founders of the US navy in the 1700’s when we had just gotten independence and was being targeted by the Barbary corsairs. To be a navy CO and witnessing your allies go up in a fireball is tough enough, as they are your allies in the fight. To witness it as a normal crew member may be tougher as you may have had friends on that ship that was just lost.

On a further side note, if you’re a brand spanking new country and had just commissioned your first ships, losing one of those said ships is a loss you as a new nation CANNOT afford.

@@grigturcescu6190 He knew the Captain ... so it seems.

Bird of Preys I can understand. The destroyers looked off tho

It is something that they dont share with outsiders

@@GemenonLiner They weren't allowed to use the design we're familiar with

This is the Biff timeline where Marty didn't get the almanac back.

I thought that the destroy was old hur'q ships maybe birds of prey are newly built ships

Andries Bakker The way they suddenly rewrote the character was pretty rank. Jason is so good at morally grey characters.

that was all his trickery to make himself look good, he probably planned the whole ambush and battle in the first place loil

He just hated Klingons in both unniverse and been for humanity in both universes.

@@AckzaTV In a heated battle like that, you can't really plan as you go. Remember those shields went down from 32 to 10% with single torpedo hit? If Discovery caught both torpedo, then shields will be gone and then discovery will suffer heavy damage which may knock out spore drive, this is very risky and goes directly against the ideo held by darker version of Lorca and his plan of going back to Mirror Universe.

@@8749236 oh so he purposefully took just enough damage to be a hero AND allow Gagarin to be destroyed ... so no one can deny his valor... really is a mind fuck and this is the genius of star trek... how jongositic patriotic duty and KANT and his idea of catholic duty is all just weird religious. Baggage...star trek will show us how the ai or synthetics like data and hia daughter soji are going to end up being the Shepards of biological and artifical life.

...or a less sleek version of the future Enterprise-J

Well, if you play the MMO, Star Trek Online, the Gagarin is in the game now as the Gagarin Miracle Worker Battlecruiser, and it has the 2410 look as well as the 23rd century USS Gagarin look

Another RU-vid channel pointed out that it's basically the Shenzhou flipped over with a few other tweaks, which is something I find oddly charming about the design. Note the row of windows on the top of the Gagarin vs the row of windows on the bottom of the Shenzhou.

Yea,it's girlfriend time pal.

@@davidcarrero7848 I have one. We watch this show together :)

*_"FIRE EVERYTHING!!!"_*

Stephen Conroy Better to use Worf. Worf should have destroyed the enemy ships before the captain said anything.

+Stephen Conroy Very Nice.... HOW POLITE Claps slowly and Sarcastically. Lorca is my favorite character.

It's Mr. Rhys.

Edited just for you darling :)

Shields smacking antimatter warheads.

@Dennis Morgan Different to other Star Treks but still VERY good

I don't beleive this is actually part of the Show of this Scene..this must be put in by the RU-vidr..right...right!?

@@TurKlack no man it is original

If I were a fan i'd probably make up some bullshit line, like the Anti-Matter cancellation from the shields distorts space/time around it enough to create mico-gravitational waves at a certain frequency. These waves will vibrate your very atoms, as they all jiggle in a wave motion from that frequency. This can be detected by your ears, not just the ear drum but the hair cells themselves will vibrate in a specific fashion during this bombardment of gravitational waves making you interpret it as whatever frequency that gravitational wave was at, for example if you stood beside a black hole merger right at the end you would hear that "bbbwwwwOOOOOOP!" from gravitational waves alone. So this creates a phenomenon where people, regardless where they are (inside the ship, in another ship, outside the ship) they will hear this quick "beeepup" or other variations depending on shape/size of the projectile. But i'm not a fan, nor do i know anything about this show specifically so i'm going to say it was a poor attempt at a "futuristic" audio noise resulting from "futuristic" weaponry that we don't "understand".

I do too. The whole Mirror Universe thing was stupid enough, but they made it infinitely worse by turning his character into some sort of cardboard cutout villain.

Me too! I hate pc people. Lorca was no BS, pure masculine delight.

lucky they didn't got them both, otherwise the discovery would have been destoyed

thats iconic? thats dumb. trying to be dramatic. trouble you to fire at something? terrible tac officer. sure ill fire at that asteroid over tere cap.

Well, Lorca hadn't _ordered him_ to start firing, yet.

Me, too! 🙁. Star Trek shows are supposed to be about The Captain, and the character of Lorca was a worthy one. Maybe, in future seasons, did we ever find out what happened to the "real" Lorca?

he has great leadership talent

@MGazT no. He died in the explosion that caused the transfer between universes. Which is why Lorca was missing in the mirror universe.

@MrHoppers002 Why would not he be transported to another universe? If the Micail network keeps the universes balanced, and aligns them, then when Bad Lorca jumps through it into our Universe, wouldn't it also want to do the same to _our_ Lorca? Or, did everyone think there were only two universes?

@@mycroft16 Walking Dead rules - no body, no death. If we never saw him die, I'll hold off on believing it.

What we were basically told is "Any Starfleet captain that acts like a real American military officer is actually from the Mirror Universe and evil."

Lorca was a great badass. I love badasses and I hate pussy pc pansies.

@MrHoppers002 Jellico was made to look like a prick in the TNG. Also, Jeremy, you do realise that theres countries outside of the US right? Not everything is based on it...

@@jeremypace249 I'm not sure he's acting QUITE like a real American military officer. Granted, during my time in the Navy, we never saw live combat, so the situation might be different if we did, but our Captains generally didn't act quite like that. My main issues with him in this scene are: (a) he snarks about his weapon officer not firing when, irl, if a Captain/Officer of the Deck (who has to get the Captain's permission, generally) fires weapons without a DIRECT ORDER from the CO/OOD, that's bad. The CO has weapons release authority - and also is responsible if the ship blows up a noncombatant or the like - so while a CO COULD include weapon release in the Captain's Standing Orders, in practice, I don't think any do... (b) He makes a request/asks a question, but doesn't give his people a chance to respond before yelling at them...but then only yells at them ONCE (instead of over and over until they shout an answer over him). Generally, when you ask a question, you give the other person a chance to respond that is longer than 0.5sec before you ask again more angrily and more demanding. He does this at least twice in this scene/battle. (c) The whole "UNDERSTOOD?!" thing. While "I CAN'T HEEEE-AAAAR YOU!" thing is often done in indoctrination/boot camp/officer candidate school, it's not generally done on an active warship. Especially in a combat or critical situation. It's also kind of weird because if you expect everyone to say "aye sir", they'd be yelling over each other. When orders are given, they're generally given to ONE person to do a thing, not to everyone at once. This allows the ONE person to give a full repeat-back of the order, word for word (or very nearly) showing that they understood the full order, and did it correctly, getting all the important details right. Giving a kind of generic order like "key your trigger finger ready" isn't even something that applies to the entire crew anyway. It could be seen more as an order to the weapons officer, yet the CO here didn't specify his command with something like "WEPS...do X", which is what makes a good command. In the US Navy, CLARITY of understanding an order is considered highly important. . That said, I had some demanding CO's (and non-CO superiors) in my time, and some can be snappy like that. But I've never met one to this level, and I met a good deal of other officers (and was one, albeit a JO). So I can safely say that "real American military officers" do not, GENERALLY, behave like he did, or not to the level he did, anyway. In general, we understand that our people know their jobs and not to overtly micromanage because it kills efficiency. And if we ARE going to micromanage, do it in clear, concise orders where it is also clear to whom, specifically, the order is given, and giving time for a proper response.

@@SubduedRadical Oh, don't mind him. He's just one of those traditional only Trek guys who believe that this show and others (like Lower Decks) basically spits on the grave of Gene Rodenberry or something. All the Treks have their good and bad points, but keeping strictly to Rodenberry's original vision is a bit limiting at times. And I have no doubt that you're bang on about real military officers.

Ur a moron

Jason Isaacs is a great actor and Lorca could've been a great succesor to Star Trek captains. But writers wanted Burnham to be the "Mary Sue"

He was always bad ... the story had a "good captain" thats pike ... and Lorca is just the good guy who's actually bad and he's GOOD for his dimension actually lol its so fucked ... he actually isn't that bad he's only a freedom fighter

@@LoganHunter82 You'll still watch MagaTard

@@qmegamann Pretty lazy bait

Yeah, it was a nicely-conceived and well-filmed battle.... even if some people in this thread didn't understand the combat tactics used in it! People forget that Lorca was an experienced combat commander; much more so than his crew! Saru would have understood exactly what he was doing; so would Burnham! That's combat experience you usually get the hard way, unfortunately! The good officers use their skills, knowledge, and Star Fleet tactics to their advantage; bad officers DON'T.

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Me too. I also liked Leland. The writers seem to be feminists so we just can’t have alpha, intelligent, masculine men on this show! Sarcasm

@@2snowgirl520 the entire season 2 featured captain pike, or are you just being fragile?

@@hp8492 Pike was okay but he wasn't Lorca. And saru isn't badass at all the opposite

Agreed🖖

did he not die when they swapped?

Well, the odds of them explaining that are the same as the warp core actually getting ejected

He switched places with the Lorca from the Mirror Universe. It was suggested that he was killed, but they never confirmed it.

He died with all his crew in the opening space battle. The fake Lorca takes his places and tells a story about how he survived instead of going down with his ship.

Exactly!!!

Well said. Absolutely agree.In fact after they brought in the evil Lorca arc it ruined Discovery for me. Never watched after that because the writing was so bizarre in its twists and things like keeping the spore drive secret were so implausible they were risible.

Meh, I really don't like it. The spore drive. Black alert. I guess the captain was fine. Didn't like the action either, could hardly tell who was who really with all the motion blur and zoomed in nature of it.

Except how would you explain where a ship like discovery was in TOS and why more ships don’t have spore drives? The only problem is getting around the organic navigator issue and then all the ships could have such a drive.

Technically the drive is back in the 32nd century, it just couldn't exist during the rest of the 22nd century and onwards through to the 25th and so on. Series like Voyager would never work, and the federation would have had an insane tactical advantage over the dominion, making that war less of a struggle, imagine a defiant class that could both cloak and teleport around a battlefield? That would be deadly enough to sow discourse even among the allied factions like Klingons and Romulans, Nemesis would have had the entire backup fleet just jump in beside the enterprise, making a legendary duel just a mid length skirmish and so on for various other moments. The tech could not exist not only for the sake of future stories but because it just wouldn't sit right with other powers to have that risk of a starship able to drop out anywhere, fire a salvo of torpedoes and then jump away without a trace. As for the ship class, Glenn and Discovery where the last two of the class still in service, only active because of the need for their research, other better science vessels and multi role vessels like the Miranda, Centaur, oberth etc would be starting to take the center stage from the ships of the era in-between archer and pike.

I made that bastard block me on Twitter.

Indeed....

True !!!

Scine Bamm Now we know the bridge crew a little better this scene comes into focus. Lorca was great but new Pike is an interesting contrast.

I would rather be under Lorca.

My thoughts ecatly, we still have around 10 years till we reach TOS aera, lots can be changed i just hope they use this chance.

I really want to see a constitution class chip in discovery, because the TOS Enterprise is a anchorpoint that fans use to compare the desings with DIS. A look at the constitution here would maybe change the point.

How ironic people (myself included) are hoping TOS tech (which is visually inferior to that of Discovery) will eventually swoop in and save the show and win the war!! Lol

It would be nice to actually see a frigate class.... And FFS, someone please get some tactics there. You don't send a lone ship out.... :/

Hopefully the writers will use their imagination: one of those many labs on the Discovery should be working on bigger, really badass phasers.

So I wasn't the only one to think of that ep. Except Picard successfully defended the Enterprise-C while being outgunned.

Not exactly successful, as the Enterprise-D was a burning hulk, less than a minute away from a Warp Core Breach,... and that was against THREE ships, not six.

K1productions He completed the objective.

Just another example of how STD is a failure 😆

Braddish V - that comment has literally nothing to do with anything stated here in this thread. Nothing to point as an example, and no context to speak of.

Yea but Star Trek: Enterprise was garbage as well. The "best" by what many sites rank is Star Trek: The Next Generation, it was very professional, clean, neat, etc. Not like this. Todays version of star trek was skewed to try and soak in a larger crowd of people, it became more "woke" making every individual a weird thing, including homosexual behaviours as well just to really "trend" with todays youth. It includes snarky behaviour, comments and remarks making the crew rather unprofessional but that, again, is trending with todays generation. It includes crazy FX's, battles, weird new jump drives that give the show reasons for more FX - because why not. I love the FX, don't get me wrong but I can't stand the lackluster stories and inappropriate behaviour of the crew. They're supposed to be the best of the best, meanwhile some act like school children who have no respect for authority - the entire basis of their careers.

I think that's because the ahip designers didn't have much time or they just were lazy and decided to rotate the shenzou and call it a new ship class. In fact i think probably the gagarin was made first and then at some point in development of the shenzhou they decided to flip the ship at last minute, that is also a good explanation as to why the shenzhou has the bridge under the saucer

Brendissimo I agree. Battle scenes would be much more cohesive with classic beam weapons.

The Klingons traded their BoP 's for Romulan cloaking tech, so them looking similar makes sense.

That doesn't happen until TOS. DISC has basically retconned the origin of Klingon cloaking technology. The origin is now T'Kuvma's brilliance or somesuch.

Did we ever saw romulan ships looking like that in the previous series, you seem to refer to games and other media. My point is, those ships dont look romulan at all, unless they introduce us to the redesing of a romulan ship that looks that way later on.

BTW, i agree on the weapon effects.

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I agree, I don't give a fuck about what he did on mirror universe, but on main universe he was a real starfleet captain...better than current Pike...

Jason Isaacs is my current favorite actor. I only watched this season because of him, I am not really a big ST fan. I would be if he was on permanently. I think he’s too in demand as an actor though to get locked into this show.

He was never intended to be on the show past the 1st season... or didn't you know that?

But he better be badass and not a pansy pc guy.

A year late, but here we go: the Klingons don't know if other ships are en-route to assist the Gagarin like Discovery was. They are rather practical in the sense that, if you have an enemy who's significantly outflanked, outgunned, and outnumbered, you take full advantage of that and beat them until they're down for good. The Gagarin was already heavily damaged before Discovery arrived. Diverting their attention to the fresh ship would give the damaged one time to possibly repair their warp drive and allow them to flee, thus denying them a kill. Discovery soaked up a LOT of damage trying to keep the Gagarin alive: they were in the fight for maybe 5 minutes, and their shields went from full to 10%. Obviously the Klingons were trying to finish the Gagarin off as fast as possible so they could then turn their entire focus onto this new ship, but Discovery kept getting in the way and taking blows meant for the Gagarin. It's a sound strategy that they employed: focus fire on the weakest ship, destroy it, then focus fire on the next target. Having 6 vessels hammer on one poor soul is going to destroy it a lot faster than if they split up and chose separate targets.

Like literally any movie that uses some form of effects...

I put this in second place behind the first spore jump to save the colony, but great showing from Captain Lorca in both instances!

During combat

@@DanielBrown-sn9op not only in combat.

Plenty of reruns on Netflix. Go watch them.

Kathryn Janeway, Jonathan Archer :(

I’d love to see that to but since we are in the future now I don’t think that’s a likely scenario

@@Habdala-hv9xq then we have cpt Pike series in 2022. It is still possible.

Yea I couldn't believe that myself.

I think tht might just be something to do with the vid I certainly don't recall that noise in the episode

I have all 15 episodes and it actually does have that noise.

Cafelogis it's weird but kinda charming in a way.

bullshit. dont call it star trek then.

If you don't like it, then don't watch it, and shut the fuck up about it.

I think it’s much more than cannon and continuity errors. I hold out great hope for Season 2 of Discovery because it looks like it’s getting back to the roots of Trek. Season 1 part 1 (the Klingon war) had a lot of problems - some are the cannon / continuity as mentioned, but others are serious fundamental issues with the story and portrayal of the era. However, I think the part 1 could have been salvaged had it not been for Season 1 part 2 (the mirror universe). S1P2 was just insanely bad with NO redeeming qualities. I would point out that, while there will always be people who have issues with canon and continuity, there wouldn’t be nearly as much (or it wouldn’t be nearly as big of a deal) if it was a good story and well written. For large parts of the show, the only reason you knew it was Star Trek is because of the emblem on their uniform - otherwise it was a sci-fi show dressed up as trek. Having said that, I truly hope the outcry from the fans has changed the show for the better, into something more recognizable as Trek - and from the looks of the trailer for Season 2, I think it has.

And do have some TOS vibe when have a glimpse in some angles...

SIVISPACEM : Si tu veux la paix, prépare la paix It was an amazing plot twist but kinda ruins these scenes. I hope real Lorca returns somehow.

Renny i should hope not, but i think this was his best scene so far!

Renny He looks like the kind of guy who should go out like a badass.

Star Trek already had two Captains like that, and both had better ships too.

Lorca is the Captain Edward Jellico of the series - TNG!

A pity he is wasted on a feeble ship and an incompetent crew!

tHeY aRe nOt KlInGoN SHiPs aS fAR aS iM ConCErNeD

Oh, no Burnham. That's why.

Michael Loftus it’s not great that’s why probably

It's purpose isn't to explore. IT's a science vessel. That means that the plot of the show will be related to science missions and creating/exploring new technology and realms of science. That's why instead of trekking out into quadrants unknown, the Discovery instead finds itself exploring the spore drive, the mycelial network, and an alternate universe...