Discovery may not be the Star Trek we remember, but this is my favorite battle. I know I am going to be hated for liking Discovery, but that's ok. I can understand how people feel, and I respect their opinion. But then again, not every Star trek show is meant to be the same. Star trek is about change, and change is never easy.
Star Trek was always about pushing the frontier and maintaining our humanity and morality in the process of doing so. Star Trek Discovery is all about ruining what Star Trek was all about and pushing a political agenda.
And Loud as fuck as well. Not to mention Burnham's communicator performing audible translations with lights as well....but damnit if I still don't love this show for some reason. Wtf?
Yeah, that animation is Silly. The Klingon look I could get around, especially after the redesign where they changed the nose and pointy heads. As well Star Trek 6 already showed us similar looking Klingons and with the Augment Virus there could be some repercussions. Other than that I do enjoy how colorful it is, as TOS also was extremely colorful to show off color tv's. Just that animation man :P.
Zarcondeegrissom IKR FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE SAID IT. Spore drive is just a discount ftl from Battlestar Galactica only in the process it forgot to be cool
Scientists not navy Remember is is also Pre OS Star Trek. Discovery was even more a Science Vessel then the Constitution Classes were. It was a Armed Science Lab
@scotthartman8993 still no excuse, honestly. In any case, they operate within a military-type structure. In freaking space. Scientist, military, or lunch lady, their actions are awful.
I feel like it got worse once Lorca was written out, but it also makes me wish they had found Prime Lorca. It'd be funny if both the Prime and Mirror versions were equally just as strict on discipline.
Star Trek communicators always crack me up, no matter what show. The characters rarely confirm the end of their own comms channels (like "Acknowledged. Riker, out." which he'd say sometimes). i say that because i love imagining Lorca and the rest of the bridge crew hearing Culber say, "I love you" and for a split second thinking it was for Lorca, like in Airplane.
This show would make more sense if it handled Discovery and it's crew as if they were all part of Section 31 ... from the future, and they were using the spore drive to FIX the time stream of the past. It would then explain all the uniform changes from the TV shows and the movies, all the Klingon mess happening in this version of Star Trek and anything else they aren't keeping to canon. Their greatest enemy in this series would then be the Section 31 from the Mirror Universe who are the ones secretly making the time stream changes in order to try and make this universe exactly like the one they come from. SIGH, soooooo much potential ... wasted.
ANYTHING would make more sense than whatever...this is. It's a real shame, since they have the budget and special effects that other Star Treks could have really benefited from and instead they waste it on melodramatic characters who look and act like something out whatever teen drama is currently on
Look in the reflection around 3:15 --> his hair looks different, assuming that's the mirror stamets? Or it's just coincedence and shot in different scenes
@@dividius8004 dude ... every iteration of star trek has been woke for when it was made, example TOS was made 1966-69 and Nyota Uhura was a black female the equal rights amendment didn't get ratified until 1973 and they got a crap ton of hate for making a "un-pure" show because she was able to intermingle with white crew members
The word you're looking for is "Progressive," not "Woke." There is a massive difference. Previous shows were progressive and egalitarian in their approach to things. The best of the best rose to the top without prejudice or favoritism. This show is woke. It simply checks boxes in an effort to virtue signal.
Biggest problem with this show is the lack of compelling action. You're supposed to be at war with the Klingons, but 90% of it is spent talking in your room, the tiny mess hall, or the engineering bay about personal issues to drive the plot. You can pretty much watch the first 3 episodes, the last 3 episodes, and that's it. Old trek had its issues, specifically DS9, but at least it's characters felt like real people. Quark has a bigger personality than the entire galaxy in discovery, COMBINED.
@@volgawolfhounds741 yes I did I saw the whole 1st season... they just never explained why they did the jumping beyond " show them what the Discovery is capable of"
Ok in all fairness If this show was based in the future beyond anything that’s been covered (before Picard released of course) and the spore Drive was a new technology this would be so much cooler, just gotta fix all the mis continuities
@@roygamon9535 this is science fantasy. Sci-fi at least have some basis in science. This is sloping toward midichloriams level of bullshit. This is why The Expanse is the Star Trek of our era. Star Trek's only selling point is social justice now.
What I don't understand is the fact that before they could do long jumps by using a navigator, they could do successful small jumps without one, so why didn't they just do the 130 jumps without Stamets being the navigator for the jumps?
I’m a LONG time trekkie and I liked Discovery because it was different! Why not a spore drive? We’ve had crystalline entities, borg, the Q, etc………and an engine is an issue? It was violent, gripping, that first season kept your head spinning! Was it perfect? Nope! But bravo for taking chances and trying something new! This is NOT your pappys shatner!
could they not have made the sensors a little more...covert? instead of something the size of a bowling ball plastered with the Federation logo, and glowing like a christmas tree, maybe something a little more subtle?
So I'm actually a fan of the show but I can honestly say I'm not impressed with the ending of season 1. I know it's not the star trek way but I wanted to see an all out war with the klingons..
Season 2 definitely got better then 1. Still not fantastic but its getting better. You could say that all trek series were that way. Season 2 kinda wrapped up enough stuff to stabilize continuity.
The only thing that really bothers me here with this newer series is the reimagined Klingons. Why couldn't they just do a very subtle change like was done in Star Trek Into Darkness or just leave them as they were?
Why did Discovery have to jump so many times after the Klingon vessel clocked? The Discovery clearly knew where the ship was so why didn't they just fire?
So the Spore jump is like how they travel in the Dune universe ? where the navigators need the SPICE as a drug induced space/time travel... And this is 10 years Pre 1966 Star Trek? How come the universe got stuck with Warp?
Discovery is the only ship with functional spore drive and at the end of serie two, Discovery was lost in time wormhole. The research was cancelled and all is classified. A similar situation is in TNG with phase cloak.
CBS fu-ked all of us. - this is no original time line. Even if they tried to fix it at the end. Luckily Leslie Moonves is out.. That might help. In case some one does not know. Leslie Moonves hated Star Trek.
Last i watched they needed to jump that many times to get the cloaking frequency for klingon ships so they can counter them when aggressing klingon vessels cloak while attacking
its a grave ship not meant to be a front-line warship so no intruder alarms because it was believed that it would never be seen by anyone other than Klingons and no Klingon would want to go to Gre'Thor or the Klingon's version of hell
Still want to know where the mushroom tech went for TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and every Star Trek movie. The ability to instantly travel anywhere sure would've made things a lot simpler for StarFleet. Also, if the writers conveniently destroy the space shrooms during the show, then the shrooms were just a dumb gimmick for a show that just -had- to reinvent everything for this damn prequel.
They shelved the technology because of the toll it takes on an operator. In the ST future, Starfleet ethics trump capability anywhere outside of Section 13.
The same place as the Excelsior's transwarp drive, the subspace transporter, the Soliton wave, the Elway theorem, and other concepts that either failed or deemed too risky -- especially the spore drive that needs a living host to operate it, and ethically unsound as it requires genetic modification of the crew or imprisoning sentient species.
just leave the poor klingons alone. they get their anatomy rearranged every time there is a new series. stick with either something out of buck rogers, or TNG, but this is too far over the top. maybe this is an alternate reality? i haven't watched the series, just seen clips on youtube, but it looks interesting. but make sure the story is the heart of it all and not the special effects. i am an original series person, with them from the very first season. i want a GOOD star trek series .
What I want to know is why the Humans still look the way they did in the 60s. Discovery is supposed to be modern! Next season, give all the humans tentacles coming out of their eyes and five arses each. Then it will be properly modern and everyone will love it.
Imo, the seasons when TNG and DS9 converged were the best in star trek. some might think different, but the new series is too much like that jj abrams stuff nice for popcorn but no real 'trek' if you know what I mean.
Seriously, they back off of going faster than warp 5 without dire need because of the harmful effects it had on subspace, they would definitely hard pass on spore drive. Shot, voyager didn't even fly for that shot when they found the equinox, and they were desperate
I can't even imagine some Admiral approving this ship for construction, except as a small experimental craft. What happens if this guy dies under the strain?
basically, 2 of these ships were made, the USS Discovery and the other was USS Glenn and they were both trying to get the spore drive working using very different methods but for more detail watch the show
I just don't even know. I think I would have liked this show more if it was set after voyager by a good 100 years. At least the ships sizes and advanced technology for the time period would make more sense. But NOOO! We got these advanced ships running around the same universe where people on Star Fleets flag ship are doing reports on ******* SHEETS OF PAPER! PAPPPPPER! (The Cage) Now we got Klingons that have cloaked YOLO ram ships and killer fidget spinners....please, just stop it!
The sarcophagus wasnt the only Klingon ship with cloaking capability. Every ship owned by a house that worshipped the house of K'or had cloaking capabilities, and so calculating the cloaking frequency of the sarcophagus would be a winning move for the Federation.
You know the new Enterprise and that is kind of nice but I really love the old one like Enterprise D and the old Enterprise the first one ever made they were the best but I would like to Star Trek to have more battles to protect themselves no engine failures are my work speed this internet offline just attack and go for it and bait the aliens whatever the hell you're fighting cuz it makes you feel kind of boring when you have to oh my engine is offline my Force feels down to 60% oh my God make them the Top Guns of the Star Trek Enterprise no one destroys the Enterprise at all change the way of this thinking cuz the new the ones you have right now the new ones with a digital thing is not no good I don't like it it's not like back then when you used to when they had to push buttons and stuff like that and on screen and everything that's fine but the Enterprise D and the Enterprise the first one ever made I love those seasons don't make them too advanced because it's going to be kind of boring I like when they're going to battle the Enterprise always has to come up front and always succeed and be the winner always please respond to this thing and tell me what you think about it
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this drivel is some of the poorest TV produced. This makes the older Enterprise TV series look like a masterpiece. I have travelled through space on mushrooms but that was the 60's. Don't keep broadcasting!!
I actually really enjoyed this show. The pacing, visuals, and themes were unlike anything I’ve seen in any Trek series before. I thought it started to fall apart toward the end of the season, but all in all, a welcome addition to the mythology, even if it didn’t FEEL like Trek a lot of the time.
.... you have to open up the communicator to use the universal translator? Fuck man Kelvin had the sense enough to explain they are built into the uniforms. Why the fuck would you backtrack the tech and make everything more nonsensical? It’s like the midichlorian thing all over.
This is a rip off of the game Tardigrades which was released on Steam Greenlight in 2014. Let's see how the courts feel about this scale of plagiarism.
Not only are the designs of the ship aesthetically painful to look at, but the spore drive animation looks silly. Not to mention whatever the fuck those Klingons are supposed to be. The fact this garbage is masquerading as prime universe lore just makes it all the more worse.
Two men telling each other I love you while in battle? A blue spinning light on a secret device on board an enemy ship. A ship that spins while navigated by a man connected to what appears to be an IV? Is this really what you consider excellence in script writing and story content America?
Klingon ships are unbeatable in terms of maneuverability; that's one thing this film gets incorrect, they rely on maneuvering not so much on direct firepower... in fact, the Federation, and the Romulans as well will beat them every time in a face-to-face duke-out toe-to-toe slugging match, but none can beat the Klingons in a turning gunfight.
@@Code_Lin Yes and no; nobody can possibly outturn a Klingon ship; but the Federation has heavier frequent-shot weapons, and by TNG the Romulans have very fast ships which master concealment. There's also terrain to exploit that can shift the whole situation at that to factor into the equation.
@@chissstardestroyer the defiant and some other nimble ships can easily outturn a K'tinga, a negh'var and a vor'cha, and I bet some other bigger ships such as the sovereign can also outturn those ships
There's a whole bunch of shitposting comments on literally every single Discovery (here's a tip, don't watch them) video by people who also think Enterprise was a good show. news flash, it wasn't and Trek fans hated it when it came out for retconning, continuity and some truly terrible acting. When Voyager came out, they screamed and wailed because of it's "Feminist Agenda", When DS9 came out, they cried it was just a rip off of Babylon 5. The first season of TNG is by and large, terrible. it hasn't aged well at all. It's so 80's, there's a therapist sitting next to the Captain. TOS was cancelled after three seasons. Perhaps the point is the "True Trek" fans have no idea what they are "True Fans" of. Is it the animated series? Comic Books? or do you just like sitting in your underpants, flying a model of the Enterprise around your head and saying "make it so" while your Mom brings more hot pockets?
@@tmod231 an idiot opinion needs yo be called out. Anyone who doesnt see that Trek needed to change and be updated are idiots. All first seasons of Trek start out rough. Discovery tried. If they wanted to be lazy they would have done no Orivlle crap. Random recycled stories that been done before. Instead of making good looking sets, great graphics, detailed uniforms. More complicated makes up for Aliens. But these damn idiots dont want quality. But rather have wood sets and 60s qaulity sweater uniforms.
Julian Styles I’d rather have a good story than quality visuals. That’s what made the classic series so great. Sure this show is visually great. But the story lacks
Wow... That was... Really dull. Ship to ship battles were more engaging when it was just the actors lurching about the set. Those weak pew pew lasers and that flippy jump were terrible.
This is an insult to the real Star Trek, to be honest. I think this and the Orville got switched at birth or something. Then again, I suppose there's ample reason why it's called 'STD'...
Simon Willis Actually, these Klingons are just as real. They are a certain sect that (conveniently) were not shown in the many previous shows, past or future canon, but there is a lot of history and politics behind that. They are few in number, but their DNA is one of the purest, as they probably avoided the augment virus that made the majority of Klingons look human for a century. They gained political power because of this, as purity and honor is powerful in Klingon Empire politics. And after Discovery Season 1, they lost the war and power and became a minority once again. The Klingons of ENT/TNG/DS9 are the majority of the Klingon race, but they are human looking in Discovery/TOS and therefore are using cosmetic surgery or just staying home while these darker guys are in charge of the Empire. It is like how humans have Caucasians, Asians, Africans, etc. Insulting Discovery's Klingons just because they are different is kind of racist. Andorians are another good example of a species with subspecies. Some are blue, and some are white. They are both Andorian. As for how the majority of Discovery used subtitles instead of automatic translation, I think it is more authentic. If you think about it, every Star Trek episode/movie/series with ANY alien race has universal translators working 24/7. Sometimes they don't work, but it is for everyone's convenience. They almost never know English after all.
No man, it's based on Mushroom theory and things in space that are utter bullshit. Another creative decision bungled by the Discovery team. Come to think of it, I don't know of a creative decision this show got right. Not one.
Graham Kennedy they broke it down for you. No different than folding space onto each other to connect two points and then unfolding it. Or Bio space in Voyager. Science is discovering new things every day. Its your opinion but I liked a lot of the show. Only part of the show that disappointed me was the finale.
You know I laugh at people who prefer the Orville over Discovery especially the first 5 minutes of Discovery are WAY funnier than the first 2 episodes of the Orville.
But it's funny crap. I having seen both can say that while I enjoyed it for me this show was the better of the two star trek shows. Because let's be real their are even if one acts like it isn't.
That may be so, but the trouble is that the first five minutes of Discovery aren't *supposed* to be funny. It's just funny how bloody awful the show is.
@@Girthon1 Wrong, because Orville is far more of a Star Trek show than STD is. No real Trek fan could enjoy STD, the show that hates its own franchise.
