Picard S3 may have saved the franchise. I hope to see Legacy. Star Wars, LOTR, Marvel and DC are dead and buried. There’s still hope for Star Trek, IMO.
I can't get into ANYTHING led by Kurtzman. He doesn't get what Star Trek is supposed to be all about. The Kurtzman problem is NOT about diversity. As mentioned in the video, Star Trek was always been diverse. Star Trek episodes were morality plays. I was young when Star Trek aired in 1966 and I have been a HUGE fan ever since. I learned so much from watching Star Trek. Star Trek back then shined a spotlight on what people in power were trying to hide. Vietnam, racial inequality, etc. The topics were current. NuTrek had not been able to do it in the same way. The writers' and producers' idea is to just include diverse characters in the cast. There's no attachment to the characters or their struggles (if their internal or external struggles are even brought to light). Star Trek has never been about just one character to the practical exclusion of everyone else as in the case of STD. So, I won't be watching anything in which Kurtzman is involved. How he got the reigns to Star Trek is a complete travesty.
@@GopherBaroque61 Not to mention that their idea of diversity is to have a highly partisan sitting politician represent the president of Earth, the season 1 villain being an evil xenophobic white guy that wants to "make the empire glorious again", and a whole scene that's only purpose was to show a discussion about preferred pronouns.
The audience score from Rotten Tomatoes for season 4 of Discovery has it at 20% and SNW season 1 is at 80%. Star Trek Picard season 3 is at 89% and the show isn't even finished yet. The execs have to be seeing these numbers. Star Trek Legacy should be a no brainer going forward and not Starfleet academy.
Rigged ratings as usual. The only talk of Pucard seasons 1 & 2 was just how friggin bad it was along with Star Trek STD and the bestest crew E'vr. Star Trek Pizza Cutter Garbage.
@@dahobbs9 Duh. Terry Matalis ignored largely the shit show of the first two seasons and brought back almost all of the key crew members from The next Generation. 'Surprise!' Instant hit brings back everybody that loved those characters plus some new ones.😁 And ignored all the woke bull and yep, good plot lines.
@@snapdragon9300 , you had to use Republikklan buzz word "woke" and completely lose the real picture. Obvious fascist and baseless comment is obvious and ignorant. Tell me again how you've never actually watched Star Trek. DSC sucked balls, but your comment is as dumb as DSC.
Thanks for the update. I'm 100% sure I won't go anywhere near this show. Or anything else the old regime is cooking up. For those who like that kind of stuff: have fun. I'll enjoy the conclusion of PS3, and then wait for another miracle :)
I've had zero interest in a "Starfleet Academy" show every time it's been proposed over the last 40 years or so. I have even less interest in one connected to the STD time-line. So you can count my interest level in the negative numbers.
It must be egos of these executives (just like Kathy Kennedy at Disney/Lucas) that arrogantly think they know...even though CLEARLY..and for the first time in years (save the push for snw) fans overwhelmingly and FAR !ORE THAN ACQDAMY OR SECTION 31.(.STILL BETTER THAN FURY.) ARE CRYING OUT FOR THIS LEGACY SHOW. WHAT BWTTER TIMW THAN FOLLOWING NRIGHT OFF THE SUCCESSFUL SEASON 3 RUN... BAFFLING.
@@johndesalvo3348 The only person that wanted Section 31 was Michelle Yeoh. And the Academy idea could have worked if it was set in the Picard era and focused on adventures rather than teen angst, but we know exactly what this will turn into and nobody wants Riverdale in space. Best bet would be to give us Legacy like we all want, and then have the remaining seasons of Prodigy focus on those characters adventures while attending Starfleet Academy.
I know very few fans personally who are really supportive of the 34th century Discovery timeline beyond just as a way to wrap up that show from its complex first 2 season run. A Star Fleet Academy show is an iffy proposition in story telling concept, and setting it in that alternate future Discovery was in for later seasons, is going to be a gamble. The studio would be much better off continuing with the prime time line in the 25 century with a concept like Star Trek Legacy with the G class.
That's because they need to put it far enough into the future so that they can say it doesn't clash with the subjects we know cadets would need to have currently in the Trek universe (even though multiple shows have given us hints to what those are), plus you could potentially tap into the book universe as well. Which suspiciously sound like they want to dump the actual logical choices for subjects (because they would have no CLUE what to use as the actual curriculum) and go with potentially nonsense. Could also be that they don't want to the research and homework, which is more likely.
@@sigmacademy Academy can't work unless they assemble a team of people to build a curriculum for the academy. I have said that from the day I heard the news.
Wow I must admit Star Trek Picard season 3 is the best Star Trek I've ever seen. I've been a fan since TOS they are nailing it I've never been so drawn in to Star Trek like this. The season has been absolutely epic. Strange New world has a tough act to follow. We'll be watching.
Picard moved like molasses for nearly all of the series, while suddenly flying through the last episode or two. Beyond that, I enjoyed a lot. But let’s be honest, they were held captive for like five episodes. That was forever in tv time.
I'm gunna pass on a Academy show. I am loving Picard and Discovery was trash. Star Trek is not as simple to expand as Star Wars with their dozen different TV series and movies.
Nice summary - thank-you! I gave up on Discovery after Season 2, and will never re-watch those OR the remaining seasons. Got turned onto SNW after people I trusted said S01E03 onwards (excepting E08) were good (and they were!), and Picard season 3 is AMAZING and washed the bad taste of Picard S01 & S02 away. I wish Kurtzman would exit stage left - the Trek universe would be way better without his misdirected influence.
I stopped watching discovery in season one after they decapitated the infant and threw it in a big hole... That's not star trek. I think that was season 1 episode 6 I never went back even for 1 second. And of course there will be no rewatching. Just bloody awful. It doesn't matter I have the entire star trek sets as 3-D models, I have AII have the stories from all the novels so I will make new TNG episodes using all of the novels, And I can use AI to recreate their voices perfectly this I did in my Beyond Antares animated TOS episode here on RU-vid, on my NextWorldVR channel.
@@WoodysAR That was because Discovery and Picard seasons 1 and 2 weren't Trek. It took only a single person to get on board in Picard 3 to show the ENTIRE live-action effort what ACTUAL Trek is all about. It probably also helps that the either the new showrunner and/or his writer(s) ACTUALLY watched or know something about Star Trek. The entire season is full of easter eggs that points back to other Trek series and seasons, and it's a joy to watch. Oh, and it's DIVERSE as well, so there's no excuse for how bad the other efforts were.
I won't watch anything that has Kurtzman/Secret Hideout in charge of it. By his own admission and demonstration, he does not understand or appreciate the franchise, and only begrudgingly ever considers the feedback from the fanbase (a fanbase that has supported the franchise since before he was born BTW). I firmly believe that Strange New Worlds was only as good as it was because Kurtzman took a backseat and let someone else drive. And, one look at Picard S3 demonstrates what Star Trek *could* be -- and even what it can recover from -- if it is placed in the hands of someone who knows, understands, and, above all, *respects* the material. Show Kurtzman the door, and let him take his dour, sour, faux-gritty, Abrams-esque NuTrek with him. Let him go back to making Transformers movies and other such classics as 'The Mummy' and 'Clarise'. Wipe his fingerprints off of Star Trek, and hand the reins over to Matalas, already!
I don't know why they're trying to do it in the future. Something set in 90's Trek (or even in the 25th century) would be perfect! Discovery has been, by a wide margin, the worst of new Star Trek. Why they would try to continue that is insane. A Starfleet Academy show is something people have wanted for YEARS. They are on track to ruining it. Some of the people running the show right now just don't understand what people want. 😢
Wait what? Yeah I'm not watch anything that stupidly advanced. 32nd century will be Interesting to 29 through 31st century people. 32nd century is completely irrelevant,. They don't get it.
Right. I would give it a chance if it was set around the TNG era, or in the 25th century. I mean, they'll need to get more people trained after the thinning of the herd that is happening in Picard S3 lol
@@Rob774 LOL You can try to rewrite history all you want but Discovery s1 got fan backlash. Kurtzman got Patrick Stewart for Picard to win the fans back... It failed. Discovery s2 happened and was also met with backlash... Strange New Worlds was ordered because Kurtzman thought that's what fans wanted... S2 of Picard happened and was almost worse than s1- this was more failure: Fans stopped watching NuTrek... SNW debuted and lost viewers as it went. The show is "ok" but still misses the mark. Everyone wanted that show but no one I know stayed with it. Now s3 of PIC was a good send off for the the TNG characters... If Legacy happens, Trek fans will return. Everything since 2019 has been trying to right the wrongs (and lost audience) of Star Trek Discovery. And remember that after the network saw what s5 of Discovery was, they canceled it! Star Trek Discovery IS the problem.
Paramount is trying to rope in an audience who wouldn’t necessarily be already watching Trek. Academy might be able to capture it while turning off other Trek audiences, and it could still have a several season run if it props up streaming numbers. Star Trek is a well-proven and recognisable IP so it makes some sense they’d try this with it (or at least more sense than trying to make a teen version of Yellowstone or something).
The best thing to come out of Discovery was Captain Pike and Spock and Number One. Discovery itself has had very mixed reviews from good to bad to mediocre (depending on which side the fans stood) with plots that were a bit contrived at times in my opinion, full of political social commentary, and lots of dragged out plot in season long stories (with filler episodes that don't always advance the plot). Not so on Strange New Worlds!
The young target audience of Discovery only watched STD because it was full of political activism. They could care less about Star Trek. Those sci-fi fans in the younger generation that truly care about Star Trek stopped watch STD a long time ago seeing it was nothing more than a liberal propaganda piece masquerading as Star Trek. Best plan would be to create a new Star Trek based on TNG or TOS like Star Trek Prodigy but not animated.
If it's firing off that Tilly ep in S4, I REALLY want that Orion kid out front. Dude had by far the best story and most charisma of the bunch. Also, it would be a waste not to find a rational for the Cronenberg character to be around regularly. Beyond that, I need more info. Although I think if you're going to have drama it shouldn't be all "CW" style relationship drama, but Ds9 style character development and complex interesting stories to build drama.
Landau past projects seem to suggest she not one to care about the history of a series. I want to see them to put in the work make it feel like a academy. I want it to feel like these people got lessons to go to, that they are learning new stuff and are there to learn, not to shag the first person that take their fancy. An please no galaxy ending crisis.
Starfleet ( discovery) is based on another kind of audience. Picard,tng,original,ds9 and such are based on those who have been there from the start, that's the big difference.This story arc is what pulled it forward each time and its more based on Gene his legacy. If Star trek legacy will come true,then it should be based on the setting how Terry did Picard. 😉
I'd give the series a try if it's set in the Picard Season 3 or the Janeway/Prodigy era and they focus on average Cadets instead of Red Squad or the Stunt Flying team (Nova Squadron). Even though I consider Discovery Season 4 a definite improvement over their first 3 seasons, I have little interest in the rather isolated 32nd Century era.
I have been a fan of Star Trek since the first original episode in the '60s i am still waiting for season 3 of Picard to be released to my local Library here in Eugene Oregon
Another RU-vid channel host made the point that he wasn’t going to watch Starfleet Academy because Kurtzman is a show runner. I couldn’t agree more. Alex Kurtzman is the absolute worst thing that has ever happened to Trek (yes, I know about missteps like Star Trek V, but that wasn’t continuous, like Kurtzman’s travesties). WHY do they keep him, when his track record is so abysmal???!!! Case in point: STD, which was so bad they had to move it to the 32nd century. They couldn’t even keep it in the Trek prime universe!!! Besides-haven’t they learned from the third season of Picard, which has been the best, most real Star Trek in over 20 years, for ONE reason: KURTZMAN HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!!! (he may be listed as executive producer, but he’s NOT the show runner) Because Kurtzman has his grimy fingers in this project, I don’t have a lot of hope for this show, certainly from a quality aspect. It will probably be dark and gloomy, like all the other Kurtzman series are. He refuses to learn that good Star Trek is positive. So I keep hoping to continue to see Star Trek boldly going where no Kurtzman has gone before!!!
I've been a huge Trekkie since watching the Original Star Trek series in syndication in the early 70's. Since then I"ve watched & enjoyed each new series. I don't understand the hate towards the Discovery series, I found it powerful, with a refreshing seriousness that is sometimes lacking when some other shows get too comical for my tastes. I'd also love to see a Legacy series as well.
I agree with your assessment for Trek's future. The overt diversity thing is being way over done on TV today - on many shows. CW is a prime example, but I'll give Academy 2 episodes to prove it's a good show.
Star Trek Academy sounds a bit like 90210 for the future academy school. But I would give it a chance to see what they do with it. The lesson Kurtzman needs to learn, is to hire writers who actually know what Trek is about, and are not just soap opera melodrama writers to appeal to the youth, but with more writers that appeal to all ages.
I'd like to think there will be more quality like Picard S3 but I won't hold my breath. All good things... Star Trek Academy aka Crying in corridors while doing exams.
Can we go back to setting all the Trek shows in the universe's "present"? Picard, Prodigy, and Lower Decks are all in roughly the same time period, and they are a logical chronological follow on to TNG, DS9, and Voyager, which timewise were a logical follow on to TOS. All of these shows were set in "the present" for the Trek universe at the time they originally aired. Prequels generally don't work, because we know too much about how they have to end. And doing stuff in the 32nd Century turns Picard, Prodigy, Lower Decks, and Legacy into prequels. (SNW works despite this because not only do we know how it ends, so does the Captain. And he has shared that knowledge with some of the crew. Se we can all settle back and focus on the episodic trip to get there. Plus it has good writing.) (Short arc prequels can also work to show us how we got somewhere. I'd love a movie or mini series about the Enterprise E.) Discovery was terrible, and I really don't want an Academy spin off set in the 32nd century. It will have a new showrunner, but will probably keep at least some of the Discovery writers. I also don't want the Section 31 spin off set in SNW's time. (And cannon requires Georgiou to be in SNWs time or die.)
DISCOVERY - A fan favorite? What Koolade have you been drinking? ST only started regaining audience viewers when the writers went back to self-contained episodes and minimized season long story arks. In other words, ST became a success when ST started Listening to its fans! Take that Alex Kurtzman!
10:58 Gene may not have advertised his diverse cast, but he did think, “I’m going to make the cast diverse.” Otherwise, he wouldn’t have. He’d make everyone white and male just like all the other shows.
Michael, no he obviously did, but what we are saying is that he didn't do it for the sake of being diverse. He did it because that's what he believed that was the future . So he treated it like it was normal. That's what Star Trek needs to do today. Have diverse characters, but then forget they are different. If that makes sense.
@@ThePopcast I feel comfortable saying Gene likely did add diversity to the show for the sake of being diverse. Something that was severely lacking then. There was little meaningful diversity on TV in 60’s. The only difference I see between Gene’s efforts to promote diversity and what Trek is doing today? Not making a big deal out of it. Back then, a diverse crew might’ve even turned viewers off. I’ve never understood why people have issues with advertised diversity. I’m thrilled Trek has never been more progressive. It warms my heart being diverse in casting is considered a selling point of pride. Think about the sociological implications. If creators are boasting about diversity, that means more and more of the public are not only accepting, but want it. Good! That’s excellent. A far cry from Gene’s day, and I couldn’t be happier about it. I mean, some networks refused to even air Kirk and Uhura being forced to kiss! What a wonderful turnaround. However, all the diversity in the universe can’t save a show if it’s not written the best. Diversity being the best thing about the show? That is no bueno. While I do like DSC and PIC, they hadn’t been what I’d been looking for from Trek. Many of the critical complaints are valid. The pacing, the characterizations, the stories themselves, needed a shot in the arm like what Terry brought. This past year has been the absolute best Trek’s ever had. 50 weeks of Trek. My god, I never dreamed I’d be eating this well. All really good too. Well, after PIC season 2. That was merely okay. Lower Decks, Prodigy, Strange New Worlds though? Chef’s kiss. New Trek has officially grown the proverbial Riker beard. We’ll see if Academy shaves it off. I hope not.
If writers want to get this right., They need to talk to fans of the series, some of the authors who have published successful military science fiction in terms of character development, as well as graduates of current military academy's that are actual science fiction fans who can actually tell them how academy actually work so that they can have a factual basis to start with and work out from there and don't forget the history/ traditions of the academy itself., Something that they sometimes skip over depending on the needs of the episode, in terms of plot, when it could be a focal point
Star fleet isn’t military. It operates like a military branch but it is primarily a exploration and science organization in a socialist society. You can say it’s almost fascist like the brown fascism of a modern corporation that operates with the fundamentals of the law of the sea or commercial law otherwise known as law merchant in ancient parlance. That’s why Picard was able to converse with ferengi pirates so eloquently. If you think about it, it’s like being on one of those sea faring scientology vessels.
None of the details about this show excite or interest me, all I see happening is the worst elements of disco getting distilled down and what little trek bits are removed, no hero ship, no exploration no epic conflicts and battles, instead that's replaced with studying for tests and omg did you hear they slept together style drama. I watched the magicians its a pretty okay magic show but it is just more of the same CW drama shows. it's nihilistic, everyone has trauma and emotions run rampant type of show.
I'd rather be done with the discovery timeline and watch a starfleet academy show set in the 25th century. There would be so many more interesting things to see that could cater to the young people and those who enjoyed/familiar with the Berman era Trek.
What does Star Trek Starfleet Academy need to be good? 1) The curriculum and syllabi per specialization field (Command, Engineering, Medical, Science, Communications/Languages, Security, etc.- in essence, all the colored shirts) is important. This means there needs to be some consistency in what was mentioned before in other Trek shows about Starfleet Academy and the subjects and topics and skills that ALL cadets would need to know across the board (stuff like piloting, zero-G walks, survival skills when they have no access to technological tools, the ability to use their sidearms like phasers and/or heavier firepower so that they at least know the basics about its usage and applications (like heating rocks for warmth, for example), self defense (able to fight off any attackers or intruders), to name but a few. Then, if you want to set up different characters in different fields (as mentioned above), there needs to be at least some indication of progress in more advanced subjects they are introduced to over the course of the show (one can watch the episode where Geordi and Leah Brahms - both the hologram and real person version talks shop regarding engineering topics, for example). There would also need to have subjects like Galactic History (or at least Alpha Quadrant history), Diplomacy/Etiquette, First Contact Protocol and Cultural Appreciation (things you would normally see in greetings in other languages, do's and don'ts in certain cultures (Federation and peoples the Federation have encountered and interacted with on their missions), how to show respect to other Federation cultures, etc. - in other words, everything you always see and hear the Starship Captains always say when they deal with new species and races during First Contact). There can also be sub-specialization fields, like Archaeology (in the Science field), Teaching, Geology (in the Science field), History of specific Federation peoples, Psychology (in the Medical Field), etc. In other words, check out the episode synopsis/summary for any Trek episode, and use any specialist they call upon as a template for a subject or topic at the Academy. Also, instructors would be specialists in their field, like Admirals or Captains (we know this, because Starfleet captains/admirals in the past instructed students on specific things relevant to their unique experiences in the field). 2) You would need to have a mixture of academics and sci-fi. That means you need to have the introduction of things we are all familiar with in high school/college/university - the studying of textbooks to pick up knowledge, the presentation of research papers at symposiums to share and disseminate research for the benefit of everyone present, timetables, socialization of the students at peer hubs like pubs or clubs, study groups, etc. There's a LOT one can add to this, and any college or university based comedy can serve as blueprint for any of that (just add a Trek flavor/sci-fi twist to it). 3) Research for all of this need to be done - this means that who ever is going to work on it MUST at least be familiar with Trek in general, and have done research on the Academy itself (the very minimum required is AT least having read the wiki). That means knowing how the structure of the Academy works, what activities they are involved in, and what students are taught and how they are prepared for their "practicals" upon actual Starfleet ships, and what the instructor and student culture is like. They need to know HOW students are admitted into the Academy and why those students in particular are chosen. This means looking at the Starfleet Academy game, any book series written about it and any episodes featuring any cadets across any of the Trek series. There's not a lot of them, so checking out the live-action ones shouldn't take that long. There are a couple of mentions of Academy days by characters outside of cadet episodes (Red Squad episodes, for example), but it should be easy to track those because Trek fans RECORD and DISSEMINATE every piece of information ever shared in-universe - in that regard, they are only matched by Star Wars fans in taking note of any and all details of a fictional universe. You can also show students being "placed" at different locations like specific starship task forces like Neutral Zone patrol or mercy missions, locations like planetary bases or starbases (or research bases), depending on what they were being taught at the Academy. You could also show some of the students being placed at places like Starfleet Command, Starfleet Medical, Starfleet Security, Starfleet Intelligence, Federation Council, Federation News Service, etc.) The possibilities for it is limitless, for anyone familiar enough with source material. Heck, you can even have crossover time travel episodes - where Discovery jumps over to Academies and different places from previous decades (as learning experiences) even a potential Mirror Universe Academy, since they have the almost impossible task of having to restart the Academy in the future, without actually having the administrative knowhow of how to actually do that, but will need to get by the Temporal Prime Directive, somehow. Remember, Discovery's crew was TAUGHT by the Academy, they are not Academy trainers themselves. They can only reconstruct what they know based on what they were taught. That means for them restarting the Academy is very much a trial and error affair - some things they might do well and benefit from that, and they will have to learn from their failures in others, in very much how EVERY leader learns. You can EVEN work in a Section 31 storyline in there. Showing how radical students are recruited by Section 31, or how Section 31 has one or more agents working within the Academy to spot students with "recruitment potential" - there even exists a parallel in real-life for something like that; or looking to spy on any new ideas that students create for acquisition by Section 31 for use in their operations. Not saying what I've listed above is the only things that needs to be done, but if they have THAT as their foundation, they will ALREADY have done 50-75% of things right. They can then add some of their own creativity on top of that in the stories they want to tell. They already have the blueprint, all they need to do is use it.
And by textbooks, I mean PADDS. Also, students would need to be graded based on their test scores, assignments and practical projects they need to complete as part of their training (which will include various scenarios in holodeck training). Also, Starfleet Corps of Engineers being introduced would be nice as well, not to mention the merchant fleet of the Federation.
I've been watching all of the Star Treks since the TOS era. I don't mind Discovery-offshoot shows. I'll watch Picard-offshoot shows. My favourite of all right now is Lower Decks.
Anything Kurtzman is responsible for creatively or as a show runner will completely and totally fail. No one will tell him that his personal ideology/philosophy/political views are not only not needed in Star Trek, but NOT WANTED. Discovery has been a farce and the man nearly succeeded in ruining an iconic ST franchise character (with help from Sir Patrick Stewart). Won’t watch a minute of it. Can’t imagine how he destroys ANOTHER ST show with his serialized, plodding and flat out boring story telling. Or has everyone forgotten the crying baby causing “the burn” or the nonsense of a 90+ something year old man missing his mommy? Come on ! What a huge mistake by Paramount.
It looks like Paramount is going all-in on their new vision to find younger viewers, rather than traditional/current Star Trek fans. Having seen all of Discovery to date, it was horrible Trek and anything based in that will not be worth my time to watch. I'm afraid that Trek as we knew it may be gone forever.
11:05-11:30: Thank goodness SOMEONE said this. (OPINION ONLY - Not stating as "fact".) No need to "divide" people/audiences. It's SIMPLE: If people wait 25 years for STEAK, and you give them PORKCHOPS, they're not "Pork-Phobic", or intolerant. They're saying that what they've waited for WASN'T DELIVERED. If YOU want to make a "NEW TAKE", or "FRESH LOOK", at anything, THEN DO THAT. Don't co-opt someone else's vision and audience, and then wonder why they don't accept it. DO THE WORK. CREATE. Make a NEW LEGACY that's YOURS with your own world/universe building. There's ROOM FOR EVERYONE, but it doesn't mean that you need to STEAL someone else's fan-base and legacy to do it. Make your own. If you have something of quality, then it will stand on its own. Anyone who says that it CAN'T be done, 2 words: SETH MACFARLANE. Space ships, "human condition" commentary, Interpersonal & personal growth and development, just like Star Trek, but he did it IN HIS UNIVERSE, not Roddenberry's.
It's time to remove Kurtzman and Secret Hideous from the kitchen. PICARD s3 was all because Kurtzman was too busy with other stuff to screw things up here, so Matalas , a real Trek fan and a good showrunner who knows the bloody show, could do a good story without being screwed with. Wipe away Kurtzman and Social Hideous, and give the Trek universe a rest. Let it rest for about a decade...then bring it back with no woke, no high school Academy shows , and no more sludge. Do real Trek. That means hiring people who really like Trek, not people who want to change the universe into "modern" crap.
I’ll be there with bells if you detach those nacelles…sarcasm 😝 😂 I’m definitely not the target demo on this one but I wasn’t for Prodigy and I liked it a lot. Fingers crossed 🤞. Great video guys. 🖖✌️
"Discovery was a fan-favourite for a whole new generation of fans inspired by it's diversity prioritised content".... That was a joke, right? I really hope that that was a joke and you didn't mean it. Discovery was an absolute abomination and went against everything that Star Trek was all about. Gene Roddenberry rotates in his grave. The fact that it is canceled is a joy to every fan i know.
Star Trek Legacy makes a hell of a lot more sense. Star Trek Fleet Academy is absolutely going to be an epic flop! Odd characters like Slyvia Tilly our recipe for absolute failure, but instead leave those storylines to the cartoons of Star Trek.
I just hope the curriculum will line up with what other characters in the Trek universe has told us about their Academy days. NuTrek isn't exactly known for their internal consistency... or memory (when they contradict their own previous stories).
"Discovery fans not too happy about it" You mean all three of them? xD ? you guys must have watched a different STD xD If they set Starfleet Academy in the abysmal STD Timeline it's dead on arrival. Also Tilly herself is a sign of what was wrong with Starfleet in STD. It's supposed to be the best and brightest and not people who'd fail at a surface level psych eval. What STD fanbase? :3 But Starfleet Academy was always diverse as seemingly anyone could apply for the testing part if they're good enough. Like we had 1 human and iirc at least 2 aliens in the TNG episode with Wesley taking the test (out of 4 tested iirc). But god please no STD connection or worse even set in the same timeline, the Burned-ham-verse s'cks, get away from it as far as possible if you want the brand to survive. I mean 16 years of age could make sense if each Academy year would take 1 earth year. So the cadets would progress naturally through it. Yeah, cadets shouldn't be diversity hires, but again the best and brightest of their species. The Berman years might be the golden age of Star Trek as in from TNG to ENT basically. Let's get back to that spirit, not the devolved humans from Klutzman Trek. An Academy series should be used for worldbuilding and have options for cameo galore due to mission simulations. And as long as the new cadets aren't the bestest evar, as in even better than historical characters then it would work beautifully. It shouldn't be CW nonsense where feelings are mo0re important than the lessons of the Academy. Benefit of the doubt while Klutzman is still involved and it may be set in the worst timeline ever? Yeah...how about no? xD
I will not watch anything that is a spinoff of an STD. Star Trek Strange New World's doesn't count. It's more of a spinoff prequel to the original series.
Past present future, when on ends another begins not spending more means more than right now so when Picard ends another will take it's place, 3 time periods for 3 demographic fans.
I will give the show a shot. I liked Discovery. I have not watched the animated series, but I will give ST Academy a shot even though it may be geared to younger viewers. The thesis of the video is correct, story over the diversity issue. Star Trek is diverse and the fact they have LGBTQ+ characters should not be center stage. By not putting the LGBTQ+ at the forefront makes them an equal/visible part of the population that they have always been a part of.
It's actually stunning Discovery lasted this long. Remember how s3 and s4 were the exact same story? I have no interest in any DSC spinoff, the ruined Tilly and Saru. Unforgivable.
When you watch Discovery in the 32nd century and you see the ships from that Era, you get a lowsy blue non-scientific control panel along with unexplained perpultion and overall technology.. Star Trek is a progession of thoughts and ideas from the passage of time as we grow. We had a jump to the 32nd century and without the natural Star Trek progression. The 25th century is a progession of time after thoughts and ideas from the centuries before. I dare to ask what the 32nd century would have been like if the show was able to progress naturally instead of jumping? I want the 25th century, and I want it now.
Loved Picard S3, but I have accepted that is a one off & going forward it will be Kurtzman Trek. Even Legacy if it's in Kurtzmans hands, he will ruin it.
The only way any new trek show will work is if: Terry takes the reigns and does away with all agenda bullshit like calling someone "THEY" when we should be calling the person a he/she, her/him,boy/girl,women/man, NO onscreen gay kissing bullshit, snowlake bullshit, ie all the bullshit we got in discovery! then it might have a chance 🙏🙏
@@ThePopcast The studios are influenced by something stronger than financial rewards. It's like a mind virus, or they have fried their brains. An even older but similar question is; What is in their water?
Also I love love love Discovery. I have 3 generations of Star Trek lovers in my family and Discovery makes it possible for me and my children to have Star Trek in the future. It was a brilliant way to expand the franchise. The possibilities are now endless for the Trek Universe. I really wish they were not ending Picard so soon and hope for a spin-off with Worf and Ravi as well as a Section 31 spin-off
I would gladly trade a Starfleet Academy show for a #StarTrekLegacy show if it's an "either/or" scenario. I simply have no interest in watching younger beings "figure stuff out" like an intergalatic high school series. All the bickering in the episode on Discovery was more than enough for me to know that was as much as I wanted to know about Starfleet cadets. One show was more than enough for me. If it's an "and" situation, bring it on, I don't have to watch it. But if it means #StarTrekLegacy doesn't get made, no, I will vote against Starfleet Academy.
Well, as a long-term Trek fan (much of my 70 years on earth), I lost interest in Discovery, and have no real interest in this new 32nd century Academy show. I also tried to watch Prodigy, but found it too stupid, and the characters too pointless and obnoxious (but I do realize it was meant for kids). On the other hand, I found Strange New Worlds by far the best Trek content I had seen in decades. Honestly it seems to me that the brass at Paramount are largely tone-deaf to Trek fandom (plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose). I'd love to see more Strange New Worlds, and I'd love to see the possible Legacy show. Let's hope it happens.
I seriously doubt anyone is "ASKING" for a 'LEGACY' show, nor an 'ACADEMY' show. Kurtzman and company loves to toss out bones and see what catches te eyes of the rabble. If STD is being canceled, and PukeHard is ending, good riddance.
Academy will bomb, they will put Legacy on a fast track to release. Ultimately, the Executives will step in and override Kurtzman's plans when it bombs. Lower Decks, SNW and prodigy are doing good though
I have zero interest for this. I want an experienced crew on a starship again. I'm a Trekkie through & through & seen all the live action shows/movies. Even the entire terrible STD, Picard 1/2 & SNW. However, I didn't pay for it. I paid the premium to watch Picard S3 by some trusted sources it was good.😉 I'll pay for good Trek! I tried to watch the cartoon for 15 minutes & that girl SCREAMING the entire time, I turned it off for good.
wish they would make this show based in Legacies time line and not make a such a new fresh officer all the sudden the academy go to because she is passionate.
I read that diversity thing like it’s the 32nd century- there’s more aliens from strange new worlds and more cultures and civilizations that could boldly be in the Federation/Starfleet. IDIC.
Besides being reminded every five minutes of how diverse it is, Discovery had too much exposition between the characters. Especially during time urgent situations. "The whole damn ship is falling apart around us, but we should talk about how we feel right now." I'll pass on the academy, if disco is any indication of it's trajectory.
I have always been a Star Trek fan- have the movies and all the series on disc. My take on the last group of shows is that Picard and Strange New Worlds are more entertaining and have a great storyline. Discovery comes across as more about social agenda, as mentioned "social activism". The Trek storyline is there but with seemingly less about species diversity and more about sexual diversity. I have been disappointed with Discovery. The other two series, IMO, are fantastic. I loved the post narrative, "you dont need to show us how diverse your characters are in the storyline."
The tone will have to be set from the first episode that it is no longer a child of the Berman'verse. If it succeeds in doing this, it may last more than a few episodes...If not? It'll last as long as the CW's Tom Swift....I didn't even finish the first episode, it was that BAD!
Why “Starfleet Academy”? Why “Section 31”? Why “The Last Generation”? Why not ASK THE CUSTOMER WHAT HE OR SHE WANTS? (I don’t need Paramount streaming when I already have Netflix).
A Discovery spin-off? HARD PASS. A show that follows Tilly!? LOL. Ridiculous. Picard Season 3 FINALLY got Star Trek on track, after as many blunders as Disney's live-action, remake, Star Wars and Marvel departments have made. The people behind Season 3 are the only lights that should guide the franchise at this point.
Could it be good? Sure, but not connected to STD. Personally though I've never understood the fascination with using Starfleet Academy as a setting for a movie or TV series.
There were definitely problems with the writing on Discovery but the ‘social justice’ aspect wasn’t really the problem. Social justice has always been a part of Star Trek, I mean, it’s an extremely leftist/liberal show. The Federation is essentially communist/anti-capitalist post-scarcity society. Even in the first pilot, they were challenging social norms of the 1960s by having a woman in the command structure. It doesn’t look revolutionary or out of place now, but it sure was then. Having prominent gay/trans/whatever characters is totally in keeping with Star Trek. My issues revolve around really clunky writing, inconsistent characterisation, and plodding plots.
"I'm a big fan of Star Trek, but I stopped watching Discovery due to what I perceived as excessive politicization. In my opinion, the series detracted from the franchise's legacy. I think it would be best for Star Trek to move away from the Discovery timeline and pretend it never happened. Instead, I'd love to see a Klingon show focused on Worf leading a group of Klingons and teaching them about honor and the way of the warrior. Alternatively, a spin-off featuring Wesley Crusher as Captain would be exciting, or even a continuation of the Seven character from Star Trek Legacy. On a positive note, I've been enjoying Star Trek: Strange New Worlds so far. This is the kind of Star Trek show I want to see - it's exciting and allows us to escape from the realities of everyday life. Overall, I appreciate shows that stay true to Star Trek's core values and offer a sense of hope for the future."
So they know that fans OVERWHELMINGLY, are hoping for a STAR TREK: LEGACY series...riding on the wave of Picard season 3..... where nthey FINALLY got it right..with BOTH fans and crotics. Even Strange New Worlds is more a return to old form and fewls MUCH more like genuine Trek than Diwcovery ever did.. although Diacovery is more " trek like" last few seasons than prior..but still not in the same league as its spinoff or picqrd 3...butbi digress. So CLEARLY the fans are hankering for a series set in the less distant 25th Century....which is perfect for storylines as Starfleet has become much more advanced, powerful and finally shaking awaynthe cloud ... that was darkening Starfleet almost corrupted it..but now they are pulling out stronger than ever. THE first (Q induced) meeting with the Borg was the very beginning....and ultimately, what gave them a fighting chance whwn they took on the Dominion......WAR.. coming off the heels of the third Borg attempt at assimilateing Earth...even incorporating time travel..which was stoppwd by The enterprise d and crew..just in time. Mow focus coul concentrate on the Dominion and their new Cardassian alliance which the wlisive Breen will also be swayed over to the Dominion. The Dominion nWar However, is what TRULY set Starfleet/ Federation on the militarized,nand becoming increasingly isolate hichnonlybincreased..along with eXploration... former main mission of starfleet..now put on " the backburner." the destruction of Romulus followed by the Android massacre on Planitia ..forget name but the Mars ship building facility... So while STRIVING to be a " true utopia " itbwill never quite get there until our minds (and other similarly advanced but equally "biological" alien races) evolve significantly beyond our large ape brains. Even 700 years in the future from picard season 3 Feseration and Starfleet have again entered a downward spiral..even leaving its former home of Earth as they were seen as a liability for the planet's security and Earth could now easily defend itself..even the Dominion using same tech from cwnturies prior...had ALMOST managed to obertake Earth itself. ..NOT THIS 32ND CENTURY EARTH...Dominion wouldn't have stood a chance.
Well, at the moment not overly excited. I did not like prodigy, lower decks is just to slapstick for me. Discovery, well changes made to the Klingons put me off, and over all while I still watched only season 4 was ok to me. Strange New World so far has been the only new trek I can say I have really enjoyed. While Picard was nice to see the characters again, storywise I did not care for it. For this new show it really is going to be down to cast. ST:SNW did this well for season 1. I know Kirk is going to be in season 2 but personally they should have kept the character back until the final season. The character may be fantastic, well written and well acted, but that's really not the point. It has the danger now of becoming the Kirk show not the Pike which really is what SNW's is. OK Academy is still a Star Trek show, so will at least watch the first season, just cannot get all that excited about it yet. That may or may not change once more details about cast and character emerge.
