14:18 Spock: “I also have a sister”. Kirk: “You made that up”. Spock: “I did not”. Kirk: “You did too. You couldn’t possibly have a sister because I happen to know for a fact you don’t have a sister”. Spock: “Technically you are correct, I do not have a sister”. Kirk: “There you see, see”. Spock: “I have an adopted sister”. Kirk: “... I gotta sit down”.
Sybok doesn't use "mind control," he convinces people to willingly follow him. That means that the crew of the Enterprise, including our heroes, willingly commit mutiny in this film. Thankfully, Nimoy and Kelly were so disgusted that Shatner wrote this for their characters that they refused to participate unless the script was changed so that Spock and McCoy resist Sybok's influence.
Late reply but that especially sucks balls when you take into account that the previous ST movies put such a focus on making the crew feel like a group of old friends all facing the universe together, having them all just willingly turn on their friend like this just ruins that
...Actually,Vulcans DO have the ability to mess with people's minds! ...But it usually involves them touching people's faces. This dude is able to do stuff to people from across rooms some how! Maybe he was part Batazoid or something?
You know, what really makes me sad about Trek V (and why I can't entirely hate it) is that it's one of the very few Trek movies that feels like it was truly trying to recapture the spirit of the original show. Honestly, chop out the fluff and you'd be left with a pretty solid episode, with that peculiar mix of goofiness, action, adventure, light comedy, and half-baked philosophy that made TOS so popular.
@@jonathanwright8025 yes Actress Lycis Naff played " Ensign Sonya Gomez" in the TNG episodes "Q Who & Samaritan Snare" she was the one. who spilled coffee on Picards uniform in engineering
So I re-watched the film and Spock points out that the being wasn't god, merely a malevolent life form imprisoned on this planet behind the Great Barrier and it simply needs the Enterprise to escape. The scene of him turning into sybok was apparently him mocking Syboks arrogance.
Exactly. They had to get a three titted “sexy lady” into theatres first, before some other Sci-fi movie did it. Plus, it was to get in the 3-tit loving crowd, who buy Sci-fi books and comics just for the art.
All jokes aside, I really do like Kirk's speech about needing pain because it's a vital human experience and shapes who we are as well as how we handle it being a test of the strength of our character. It's just a shame the rest of this movie is in many ways something of a farce.
And now that scene from the Star Trek episode of Futurama becomes clearer: Nimoy: "Melllvar, you have to respect your actors. When I directed STAR TREK IV, I got a magnificent performance out of Bill, because I respected him so much." Shatner: "And when I directed STAR TREK V, I got a magnificent performance out of me, because I respect me so much!"
I have the novelization based off the original script. I've also read Shatner's movie memories book. Some of it was his reach exceeding his grasp but some of it wasn't quite his fault. It was his first film and all the special effects look crappy because he was scammed into giving the budget for special effects to someone who turned out to be an independent person operating out of his garage. The real story and and what should have been filmed was actually pretty entertaining. Most of the plot gaps are explained. Sybok is given Visions on how to recalibrate the shields so that they can pass through the Great Barrier. The Klingon is able to follow because he decides to match the frequency of his Shields to match. The entity was something trapped at the dawn of time and was implied to be responsible for all of the various religions and faiths out there. It had been slowly influencing whatever could in the attempt to get a follower to pierce the barrier and that's why it needed a ship so that this way it could find its way out. It's implied that the true God was what prison this being at the center of the Galaxy and it's implied that the entity itself is Satan. Some of the meta plots in the story dealt with the idea of the cast growing old and what would happen when they die. Syboks power is just him using the mind meld to scan your mind for what troubles you the most, and he is so powerful a psychic he can induce it at range. that's how the rest of the cast can see the visions. email directly with one person but broadcasted short-range. The reason why people follow him is because they're at peace with themselves. As for the ambassadors the reason why the Klingon ambassador doesn't stop things early on is because like all of them he's a failure. They're all sent there because they were all fuck ups and it was a punishment. Its kind of amusing that they get along. the movie would never be tolerable when it first came out I was probably in 9th grade and even then I thought it was kind of crappy. I was especially disappointed because I had bought the book before the movie came out and the book was really entertaining.
Interesting. I have to wonder then why they didn't shoot many of these crucial explanation scenes. I doubt it would have taken much time and even if the scenes weren't done well it would have at least made the story more coherent. Or is some of this the case of Nostalgia critic skipping movie over dialogue that does actually explain some of these plot holes.
My memory is a bit old, but as I recall Shatner admitted full stop that as a first time at the helm he was in over his head. Many scenes hinged on the SFX contract, and when that turned out to be not what was expected, scenes were cut. Voldemort? He was burying his family and waiting to die when Sybok found him. Sybok was banished from Vulcan for endulging in emotions and a forbidden use of his abilities. *sigh*. The story still wasnt perfect, but you can imagine how middle school me reacted when I saw this in theatres after the book. Check both out! They're cheap on amazon
So you can't have great space special effects. Then why not utilize Nimbus III more? Have the indigenous inhabitants as part of a "rebellion" against the 3 powers who have colonized the planet simply because it lands inside their respective Neutral Zones. They are factions at war among themselves, which is partly why Paradise City is spared. But Sybok and his followers help unite them to form the rebellion against the Nimbus III Colony. This is where those dune buggies from Star Trek: Nemesis should have been. Have an epic land battle where they siege the city (not that piss weak assault), a proper defense then being succumbed due to overwhelming numbers. A good land based battle lasting at least 10 minutes. When you can't have an epic space battle, then have an epic land one. You revisit this with the covert attempt to rescue the hostages later (minus Uhura's dance). Actually explain away how they get to the great barrier, via wormhole (reuse wormhole footage from The Motion Picture). Make Sybok Spock's surrogate brother, as opposed to a half one. Give the character more backstory as highly intelligent man who had attempted to join the likes of the Vulcan Science Directorate and Starfleet but was rejected, so he goes on a quest for God (perhaps coming upon him in a dream (an illusion to "Row, row, row your boat" perhaps?) and seeks the last piece of the "puzzle" in Nimbus III, which shows him the way to get to Sha-Ka-Ree. All he needs is a starship to get there. Why not just have the transporters working, but you can't beam people in and out because of an Ion Storm over the planet? Oh and what about the Romulans? There should have been a small diplomatic shuttle that sent the new representative to Nimbus III, upon receiving the distress signal, they are about to turn back, but the small ship is taken over by Sybok followers, who have been posing as the old delegation. This would explain why the Romulan government does nothing to assist in rescuing the hostages, whilst at least the Klingons give out the order. Then you actually find "god", an unintentional at the time allusion to Q. A rogue Q perhaps who was sent to be imprisoned on this planet, awaiting rescue. Distract him for long enough so that the 3 can be saved, whilst Sybok sacrifices his life because he learns that the truth he's been searching for the whole time is false (revealed to him by the mirror image of himself through "god"). And of course the Klingons save the day. A film that could have been, if they done their homework and looked beyond limitations.
I wouldn't be surprised if his original idea was a bit more thought out. His books are fairly competent. More than you'd think especially watching this movie. Definitely got good ideas.
The scene about Kirk knowing he won't die as long as he can rely on Spock and Bones ties into the end. It's actually a really nice crew as family moment.
I know this is 5 and a half years old...but even in her 50s, Nichelle Nichols was a beautiful woman. (I haven't seen her recently, so I don't know what she looks like now) The puking scene wasn't necessary.
Yes, it’s like saying Sophia Loren wasn’t pretty in her 50s, just because she’s in her 50s. Plus, It’s not like she was grossly out of shape or they showed anything more than some still toned legs.
As bad as this film was, it did have one moment that was pure gold: Chekov: "Uhura; can you give us directions back to base camp? Sulu and I are- trapped in a blizzard (Sulu tries to imitate the sound of a blizzard)" Uhura: "The current weather where you are is 64 degrees, and sunny." Chekov: "...Sulu, look! The sun's come out! It's a miracle!"
Chekov was always gold :D..Just keep in mind that the scene in ST 4 were he asked for directions to the "nuklear wessel" was not done with any actors beside him and uhura :D..They just approached a bunch of random strangers on the streets :D
Good night, Bones. Good night, Jim. Good night, Spock. Good night, Captain. Good night, Lamarr. Good night, Wormer. Good night, Takashi. Good night, Poindexter. Good night, Booger. BUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRP! HEEHEEHHEEHEEHEHEHAHAHAHA!
I have a theory. What if the "God of Shakari" was actually a former member of the Q-Continuum who wanted to be praised and worshiped like a god, and as punishment for his misdeeds, the Continuum sentenced him to life sealed within the planet (oh, and the Great Barrier is just dangerous to Shakari). We've seen it before in ST:VOY S2E18 "Death Wish" that a Q who goes against the Continuum can be punished be being sealed for all eternity inside some celestial body (in the case of Quinn, it was a comet). So my theory is actually quite possible. And suddenly, this movie isn't quite so horrible! XD
I don't really understand him being grossed out by Uhura dancing.... I mean, yeah, she's definitely old enough to be my mother here, but she has really nice legs and is in good shape. Now, that said, I will definitely argue that having her dance provocatively in this movie is pointless objectification. There was no reason for it. Shatner just wanted to see Nichelle dancing. ._.
Reminds me of english class where we had to write a scene for a play and then act it out with the class mates at our table and one guy tried writing a kissing scene with the cutest girl in our class
I actually really like the campfire moments, for me it is one of my favorite startrek moment, it shows the human side of everyone, not everyone has to always be institutionalized robots
Agreed. This is still one of the worst Star Trek movies, but Doug's hating on the banter between Kirk, Spock and McCoy is totally misguided. (Doug, admittedly, has never watched much ST beyond the films, so that's probably why he doesn't get it.) He also went overboard, arguably mean-spirited, with acting like he was disgusted with the mature dancing Uhura.
In this movie William Shatner isn't acting, he is playing himself, he is William Shatner in Star Trek pyjamas, not James T. Kirk. And he is fighting God. Amazingly stupid and fascinating to watch this trainwreck to crash and burn in spectacular fashion. For me, I laugh every time for whole movie, so it has something to going for. Modern Star Trek movies haven't even that.
5:45 Not going to lie, that might be one of the best line deliveries of Shatner’s career. It’s a whole new level of emotion added to the character of Kirk, and it isn’t hammy or stupidly done. This is a man who has accomplished so much but he feels empty when he isn’t keeping himself distracted. And it’s his interactions with people that make him feel more whole (which definitely explains the rampant womanizing).
@@HappyBeezerStudios At least he openly admitted he was going to enslave, abuse, and devour us instead of people like Clinton and Trump who wait until they get into office to start shitting all over everyone.
I've always wondered how Kirk can go from Earth to the center of the Galaxy and back in one movie, but Janeway is stuck in the Delta quadrant for 70 years
Just had a thought. What if the events of Star Trek V was nothing more then a dream Kirk had from an upset Stomach caused by beans and whiskey? They never left the campground and we end on their second night.
The new trilogy of films started as either 11 or 1, depending on how you decide to handle chronology, and did indeed break the history of the odd numbered 'treks being weaker than the evens. That said, despite the common wisdom stating the odd 'Trek films are bad... I honestly quite like several of them. I, III, and even VII are fun enough films; heck, even Insurrection is fully redeemable in my opinion. That really only leaves V as the stand-out terribad film, though it is one hell of a doosie. Don't get me wrong, none of them will sit in the "best of" category, but they're at least better than the Star Wars prequels. V really is shite though. I've tried to watch it several times, and never been able to make it past the half-way point.
Star Trek for me: 1) Boring 2) Good 3) Great 4) Awesome 5) Godawful! 6) Awesome 7) Bad 8) Overrated 9) Decent 10) Awful 11) Decent 12) Awful 13) Great Best to Worst 1) Voyage Home 2) Undiscovered Country 3) Beyond 4) Search For Spock 5) Wrath of Khan 6) Star Trek {reboot} 7) Insurrection 8) First Contact 9) The Motion Picture 10) Generations 11) Into Darkness 12) Nemesis 13) The Final Frontier
It's a cheesy film and ripped off a lot of ideas of the era, but it's a philosophical morality play. Man goes to find the biggest and most powerful version of himself - a controlling and obnoxious entity that masquerades as something great - and he finds it. He finds himself, beyond the barrier his Ego convinces him is lethal to pass through. As badly done as it is it has legitimate philosophical and psychological literature/thought behind it.
Well, if Kirk has a dead brother, then Spock certainly is entitled to a half- brother. The premise of the movie is not really the problem, it is the production of it. I think with a much better director and screen - writer, like Nicholas Meyer it would have been a better movie for it .
"Do you like ladies over 50 years old doing a fan dance?" Ummm, if they're hot....yeah. Age ain't nothing but a number....and some ladies can look amazing no matter their age.
It just occurred to me that maybe we missed the clue in the song, that life IS, in fact, but a dream, meaning everything that happened after the campfire scene was just a dream (albeit a bad one). The fact that they return to the campfire scene at the end only serves to reiterate that point.
...And apparently someone already made this conjecture, and explains it quite convincingly: www.trekbbs.com/threads/star-trek-v-the-dream-theory.243037/
Everyone always gets that Biblical quote incorrect... It is not God works in mysterious ways, it is God moves in mysterious ways... If you want your Bible quoted accurately, go to an atheist, LOL
its funny that you called him a pointy eared sean connery cause they actually wanted him to play Sybock thats why that called it Sha Ka Ree, suprised you didn't point that out lol
Uhura's dance has and always will be my favorite part. I don't care what anyone says. When I was younger, it was just fun to see a gorgeous woman dancing. When I became older, I wondered, "Why did a well experienced and accomplished Starfleet officer agree to perform a burlesque dance to a bunch of dangerous terrorists, AND how did the commanding officer get away with issuing such an order?" LOL
It's a question of what would a bunch of filthy sex starved men forced to sit out in the wasteland of a barely inhabitable planet. Either give them a distraction or get into a major firefight and blow the whole operation. And did Kirk order it or did Uhura volunteer the plan and Kirk couldn't think of anything more likely to succeed?
flyboymb ... or the « bunch of filthy sex starved men » could just have raped and possibly killed her... which would probably have happened in the real world... So, no, there is absolutely no justification in Kirk giving this order to Uhura, and this scene makes no fucking sense.
Pierre-Antoine Winter-Samary It obviously would have been a volunteer mission, or her own idea. On the real side. She might have wanted to show, she was still a sexy women even in her 50s. Which in the Star Trek Universe, would barely be Middle Aged.
The writers obviously didn't do their research on The Great Barrier, since it was actually at the EDGE of the galaxy, not the center. A barrier at the center of the galaxy only first appeared in this movie, and is never mentioned again.
Just imagine if every ship and Captain is engaged in the same crazy shit that Kirk and crew are all the time. What if all this world-threatening crap is happening all over the place all the time?
"Row Row Row Your Boat" is in Star Trek. What's next? - Singing "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star" in Star Wars - Dancing the Hokey Pokey in the Avengers series - Playing hopscotch in Avatar Last Airbender
15:40 I always found it odd that Star Trek, a show that's always tried to avoid religion and if anything always seemed to have a bias against religion in general (half the time religion pops up in the show, it's some backwards primitives with a crazy and dangerous faith), had _God_ as a central plot point in one of their movies.
Fun Fact: this movie won a couple of Razzies at the 1989 awards for the following: Worst Picture, Worst Actor (Shatner), and Worst Director (also Shatner). Dr. McCoy was nominated for Worst Supporting Actor and Shatner almost won Worst Screenplay. Good thing they didn't nominate Nimoy, that would be illogical
7:06 Critic, you could have easily inserted a clip of the Scorpio Killer from Dirty Harry yelling at that bus full of school children “ROW ROW ROW YOUR BOAT! SING! SING! DAMMIT SING!”
This just reminds me of the fan theory that the Federation government gave Kirk a broken constitution class ship on purpose knowing that he wouldn’t leave Earth or cause diplomatic issues for a long while.
Wow... Fun fact, did you know that Leonard Nemoy actually was the director for the Star Trek 3: Search of Spock AND writer? So basically his baby? This movie is Shatner's baby... Oh god. I guess Leonard Nemoy was a pretty talented visionary as well as good actor... Can't say the same of Shatner tho.
It is important to wear a helmet in a star ship Scott didn't wear one, and thus he was knocked down by the beam. The stormtrooper was wearing one, and thus he was alright after hitting the beam.
As soon as the human (with the klingon and the romulan) spoke I practically had a heart attack, because oh shit that's David Warner. I had no idea he was in this movie.
