2:13 the tension in this scene is perfect. They didn’t ruin it by having the stormtroopers point their guns at Phasma, but physically demonstrated doubts about her. She got the jump on them being she was their superior. Also love that moment where she auto-aims all of them, so sick.
I think it’s better they didn’t aim their guns at her because it makes no sense to do that considering the time and place, not to mention the Resistance hero in front of them would be a bigger target than their own captain. But we can see they doubt the ability or the trustworthiness of their captain and Phasma knows this so she takes them out.
@@mysteriousboi9567 yeah that actually seems right, theres a four year gap between each game, for example , Injustice 1 2013, injustice 2 2017 Mortal kombat X 2015, Mortal kombat 11 2019
I actually liked this scene quite a bit. I can see how some of the acting was a bit off, but it was a nice character moment for Finn, and it showed that in the end Phasma was kind of a coward. Great script dialogue, but the acting needed a little more takes from them.
Two potentially classic characters, both played by very capable actors, both totally underwritten and underdeveloped. Finn and Phasma could have been great additions to the Star Wars lore, given the proper treatment.
I agree both are underdeveloped and underwritten. Truthfully, I was hoping that we’d see Phasma in Ep. 9 but without her armor or helmet, revealing a Zuko-like scar covering her left eye. Maybe within the coming years we will have comics or books that bring her back, but until the we must be disappointed
Considering Phasma actually cared nothing for the First Order, this scene was way better, as it showed her true colors. Also like how she didn't deny what she did in front of the Stormtroopers
It’s also a good parallel to DJ. She couldn’t cares less about the First Order and the Stormtroopers, she’s just doing everything she can to stay one step ahead and survive no matter the cost.
this is just. a better version than what we got. finn being able to plant that spark of doubt! an ending that pays more respect to both of their characters! like go figure! thanks for doing this edit this is my new canon
@@Yougotcaged102 That is true but the main issue is he exposes his back to being stabbed and the back of his legs to being kicked. If she just kicked him in the back of the leg he’ll probs go to his knees, then she just stabs him, or she could just stab him in his unprotected back. Either work.
I wish they explored Phasma and Finn more. Finn was trained since birth, using a combination of Stormtrooper, Clone Trooper, and Jedi training programs to be absolutely lethal. Finn would have trained under Cardinal to learn the values of teamwork and discipline, and then trained under Phasma to learn brutality and more advanced combat. Finn should have been one of the most lethal fighters in the Resistance. Phasma was raised in extremely harsh circumstances, and was able to be an incredibly capable warrior in a society where it would be lucky to even get a significant meal every week. Assuming she went through the Stormtrooper training programs herself, she would be extremely deadly. There was a scene in Episode 9 where we just see Kylo shredding through Resistance soldiers like they're nothing, that sort of thing would have been perfect. We've seen in the Phasma novel that she was easily able to beat perhaps the most skilled Stormtrooper in the entire First Order (Cardinal). I liked this deleted scene because it shows just how ruthless she is. She's been trained since birth to believe that her life is the most important thing, and she trains her Stormtroopers the same way. Of course she would slaughter her own troops just to survive. I would have preferred if Phasma and Finn had their story more fleshed out. The Imperial-sided stories in the past 5 years have been some of the greatest stories that Star Wars has to offer, so I've never understood why they always focus on the good guys in the movies.
The fact that you know so much about this and (I would guess) don't like the sequel trilogy really shows how much of a failed slam dunk the whole thing was. There are hundreds of thousands of people who love this property so much and they figured out how to make everyone hate it.
OP relies on Stormtroopers being as badass as Astartes, but they're just nothing even close. They're armoured, but their 'training and discipline' is just IJA brutality. It makes fearless soldiers, but not for better marksmanship or combat ability. It's just brainwashed fanaticism. But fanatic troops who reduce their casualty rate through armouring. That's it. How Finn *should* have been used by the Resistance is for intelligence purposes; either at HQ or else leading an undercover infiltration team, which is - *Hey!* - sorta what they did in this movie. Fuuu-
I like the books about Grand Admiral Thrawn. He is definitely one of the smartest characters, he is one of the few people who actually guessed the creation of the Death Star. He found evidence of metal purchases, the metal was used for Imperial Ships, but the quantity of metal being bought was large. He also noticed they were small enough purchases individually, but add them together and you get something big.
@@KrillLiberator Nah my guy, two things, first stormtroopers irl would hit more than the broad side of a barn just like their WW1 inspiration did, they are elite close combat troops, their brutality feeds their efficiency, and second Astartes on the other hand are a wide bunch and aren't always stormtroopers (alpha legion were definitely not that). My point being that OP is most definitely correct, warriors trained since childhood on how to fight effectively (by cardinal) and then re trained on how to fight effectively brutal (by phasma) *SHOULD* have been more than just white pieces for the resistance to shoot at.
Reality Productions, maybe he wanted to leave it somewhat ambiguous. After all, he won’t confirm or deny that she’s dead. Or maybe that’s giving him too much credit
My guess would be a mix of a lot of banal editorial thinking : - Make's Phasma's death less ambiguous, would give them the freedom to bring her back for the sequel. - Could be that Fin's speech/Phasma shooting her own troops would have offended/confused audiences. The way Fin phrases it could make him sound violent/cruel to a common audience, but it really could be as simple as him saying "gun" instead of blaster. - To add to confusion : the event he's referring to happens offscreen in the first movie, giving most people very little context to work with, so it could break flow. - Literal violence of Phasma getting dismembered taking center frame, rather than implied violence. Yes, Snoke gets cut in half, but you'll notice the scene in which that happened choses to focus on Rey catching her light saber, while his torso falling over happens in the background and out of focus.
0:46 Would’ve really fit if Finn said “and you’re a coward amongst your troops.” But, you know, a lot of things just don’t seem to make sense in the ST.
@@somm150 For the First order it is, most recruits are given specific cases of weapons for certain roles, once they prove they are devoted they get access to heavy weapons of all kinds. One being I think ita called a T-50 and a T-21
@@powerfullpummel6417 They actually cut out a lot of things. As far as I understood, they wrote a HUGE story, but could not fit it into three episodes, so such scenes and ideas were cut out, which is a pity. If they stretched the trilogy to a tetralogy it would have been much better, so I just think of sequels as average films.
@@artisticcannibalism1350 Anakin? The guy who trained for years and years under one of the best Jedi masters during a civil war? Luke, the guy who also was trained by two of the best Jedi masters, but through his own trial and error became a Jedi himself? And you're comparing this to the girl who beat Luke's apprentice the first time she fought him? The same girl who somehow knows how to navigate a speeder through rough waters despite living in the desert? Not ringing a bell.
@Ruby Hypatia teenage farm boy saved the galaxy after years of training, to willingly ignore that is to be dishonest at best. Yeah, I get little Anakin blowing up a control ship to be a bit of a Gary Stu moment. This isn't the case with the grown up version. Rey can do anything despite not being trained or logically having the skills required for it.
@Ruby Hypatia you don't know what a mary sue is. There's NO LOGICAL WAY a Mary Sue can exist in a conflict-based film because they have no flaws; no character to develop, and no improvement. They just Deus ex. Machina their way through the movie. Rey is a Mary Sue.
Ruby Hypatia you defend Rey like it’s the end of the world. Her character was poorly written, and was a horrible main character.. that could have been way better.. no way around it buddy.
Honestly I think they cut it bc of the camera work. When Phasma shoots the troopers it’s super choppy, and it looks extremely awkward when her hand is bonked off and the oddly cleanly-cut and almost unscathed stump remains unmoving. Additionally, the way she recoils and recovers seems super unnatural.
2:31 you can literally hear Gwendaline screaming "seriously??! I SURVIVED 8 SEASONS OF GAME OF FUCKING THRONES, AND I WAS A GOOD GUY THERE! AND I GET KILLED IN THE SECOND MOVIE HERE??"
Rey is only good in this film because she is a know it all who gets proven wrong constantly and it’s honestly funny at times. She works better when she isn’t portrayed as space Jesus. I mean come on JJ we already had a space Jesus and even he wasn’t perfect
How it should've gone down: Force Awakens: Finn vs Phasma ---> Phasma humiliates Finn Last Jedi: Finna vs Phasma 2 ----> Kind of an even fight but Phasma still wins. Finn barely excapes. Rise of Skywalker: Finn vs Phasma 3 ----> Intense fight. Very evenly matched. Right when Phasma is about to kill Finn, he makes a comeback with some help. Cliche? yes but it's fun for the audience.
I think to not make it too repetitive they should not have a fight in force awakens and just keep it how it is but should of had a fight in last jedi where phasma humiliates fin and then in rise of skywalker do what u said and have a very evenly matched fight and when phasma is about to kill fin phasma gets distracted by some help for fin so fin beats her
Yeah but we all know it wouldn’t happen because Star Wars is a pussy to kill off characters although if they didn’t Bait you in to thinking they killed off a character It wouldn’t be a problem
I love this movie to death but this is should have 100% been in the movie. It would've made this so much better and gives Finn some more depth and growth.
I never understood why she killed stormtroopers in this scene since i didn't understand english a lot at the time. But now i understand that since the stormtroopers knew that phasma disabled starkiller shields she needed to kill them.
I propose a reintroduction of a fan favourite at 2:02 "TRAITORS!" roared the unmistakable tenor of FN-2199. Finn and Phasma twirled around to see the interloper. With a whir-snap, he activated the two Riot Batons he carried and charged with righteous fury against both Finn and Phasma." Then we get an epic three-way battle.
Fin's story in episode 8 should've revolved around going up against Phasma, building up to this moment. Both characters got the short end in this movie.
