Star Wars: ROTJ Works and Rise of Skywalker Doesn't | SCENE FIGHTS 

When he says "we knew Palpatine had to be a presence in this movie in some way" that was such a weak justification.

Nah. The worst Star Wars acene is when poe revealed that "somehow palpatine is still Alive"

the problem with the sequels was that there was no overlaying storyline like the originals and the prequels. it was just going from one film to another with no idea for a story which was in the end it's shortcoming.

Both Padmé and Luke could feel the good in Darth Vader. Luke have more of his mother's personality while Leia's more resembles Anakin.

George Lucas collecting ideas for creating the Star Wars movies: Kurosawa movies, Flash Gordon series, The Hero With A Thousand Faces, mythologies and fairy tales, etc. Disney Lucasfilm collecting ideas for creating more Star Wars movies: Star Wars movies.

I was literally just talking with my wife and father in law earlier about the emperor returning and the “Save Martha” scene and how both Rise of Skywalker and BVS were terrible. THIS MAKES SO MUCH SENSE THAT BOTH OF THEM WERE WRITTEN BY THE SAME GUY!!!!!!!!

I often forget how good Mark Hamill & Luke are in these scenes. "I have no memory of my mother..." is heartbreaking. Then we also have me favourite. "You've failed your highness. I am a Jedi like my father before me."

Ryan looks at the dead horse.... decides to give it another good kicking

Rey the thief. Luke's lightsabre, Leia's lightsabre, Poe's droid, Luke's family name, Luke's uncles farm, Chewbacca's Millenium Falcon! Anything else I missed?

Sorry but the only storyline that would be satisfying is FINN being the last Jedi because Rey joins the dark side in the second film and he has to pull her back in the third. 🤷🏿

*The Original Trilogy:* born out of an idea, though influenced by many myths, legends and fairy tales, that felt original and was made outta passionate filmmakers who revolutionized filmmaking and storytelling, becoming classics, faults and all. *The Sequel Trilogy:* born out of an agenda to bank on the nostalgia of the original trilogy, without the heart, soul, charm or creativity, and had no real plan behind it aside from banking of the brand without understanding what made it work.

Let's not forget the immortal line 'Somehow, Palpatine returned.'

Imagine: Luke: you said you were my father Vader: i didn’t lie, I’m your father identical twin so technicaly. I’m your father.

"Rai SkyWalker" was the worse scene FULL stop it's so cringey: the name doesn't work, the delivery was terrible and it was SO prodictable it was ugly as a conscipt........I honestly felt ill after that line(the weird pointless Indina Jones thing with the dagger was just WTF I mean a 20 year old mystery is not how you do a treasure hunt by looking at the handle of a knife then comparing it to a crashed spacestation......idiot plan)

SC: Is it worse than this scene? "Oh, hi Mark." SC: ... yes! Me: 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😅😆🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I read someone's comment that "The Thrawn Trilogy" (Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising, and The Last Command) would have been a better trilogy to film. It uses the common core of SW characters but added to them in a natural outgrowth of the original series combining the familiar with the new into a skillful story. After I finished the trilogy I realized why the person's comment was so very true. Ryan's analysis reaffirms it.

remember when leia said she remember her mother, yet padme died in child birth?

But at least we still have the Mandalorian. I always imagine that Favreau has a water spray bottle on his desk in case Kathleen Kennedy comes around. 'No! OUTSIDE!

Quite simply, the original trilogy works because Lucas was extremely passionate about making it and at the same time was extremely passionate about not making a “corporate movie.” Lucas wanted to buck the system while making the original trilogy of movie studios becoming huge conglomerates that emphasized making money through polling fans rather than telling good stories. By the time of the prequels, Lucas had become one of the conglomerates, though one of a somewhat smaller scale, that he fought against earlier. It goes without saying that Disney is one of those major conglomerates, if not the top one. That is why Rise of Skywalker retconned The Last Jedi because Disney thought by pleasing the vocal critics of The Last Jedi that they could maximize their return. It’s a shame because I would’ve liked to have seen the conclusion of what The Last Jedi set up.

I agree I was completely taken out of the moment when the Palpatine reveal was made.

I can’t watch return of the Jedi’s last 30 minutes without being a mess...that’s why when madolorians Luke reveal had me crying for two days...I am 50 I was seven when my dad took me to see Star Wars...

The Force Awakens already gave me a bad feeling but - ultimately I had hope Finn would at least bring something new and interesting. The "Rey is a nobody!!" never felt meaningful because - aside from Luke and Leia, everyone started out as a nobody. We have no idea what's special about a Kenobi or a Lando or even a Jar Jar. Even Padme is... not tat special really. But newp. Newp. The Last Jedi turned him into a comedy and "deconstructed" the entire series... while also still being a part of the series. The entire trilogy is just a mess of "make it fast push it out we have ROI to consider."

And the there's the Mandalorian which a thousand times better than the sequel trilogy which burns JJ and Kathleen Kennedy

Rey starts crying in TLJ when she admits that her parents are nobody, which makes absolutely no sense. Rey never cared about having parents who were somebody, she just cared about having parents period. This is not the hardest thing for Rey to hear. It's the hardest thing for the audience to hear, which is dumb, and entirely deviates from Rey's arc.

I liked The Force Awakens. The Last Jedi was a good film but it took everything off the rails. The Rise of Skywalker was just like lets just end this thing the best we can as quick as we can. JJ should have done all 3 films that was Disney's mistake. They thought they could use 3 different directors. What we got was 3 films that really didn't link together at all.

"Impossible"? Kevin Feige was able to tie up 22 films beautifully IN A CAVE WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!

The problem with TFA was it wasn’t creative at all. Finn was a good character. They should have let us and him know he had the Force. He could have been trained as a Jedi by Luke and the focal point with Rey. I recently rewatched the first scene of TFA where we meet Finn and Kulo Ren. As Ren walks back to his ship he stops and they stare at each other. Why?! That was The Force Awakening! It makes complete sense. JJ dropped the ball. In TLJ, Kennedy went to USC film school and asked the professors who they really liked, they said Oh that R.Johnson kid was a good student, check out his work. What happened then? We got an art and critical thinking piece of garbage that didn’t belong in SW. The decision to make Luke a coward and run and refuse helping his sister was absolutely out of character and wrong. Just read the opening crawl of TFA, Leia is desperately searching for her brother Luke to come help her. He would never abandon her in her desperation. Then RJ has the audacity to put in the original ”Help me Obi-Wan” recording that basically kicks of the entire SW universe (1st film) because Luke intrinsically wants to help but still have Luke refuse. That inflection by RJ was terrible. I’ve been around over 40 years and know many people that long -peoples’ characters don’t change that dramatically. Ask yourself, how many people do you know well that would act so out of character (outside of drugs or a terrible illness)... RJ didn’t understand SW and was not a fan. Just look at the love the cast and crew have poured in to The Mandalorian and the stuff they say to the fans and even Mark Hamill about how important he was to their childhood. RJ was just like FU Hamill to his face. Disgrace. Was TLJ a departure from the other movies, yes, but in only because it was an art piece by a guy who didn’t give a flying fuck about the source material. Case in point the scene where we see the plants grow. Why in the fuck?! I see shit like that all the time from film school students when I walk student art galleries. This was supposed to be SW! Now we come to TROS. It was an absolute mess. It was so disjointed I thought I was watching a Chinese contortionist performing for the Queen of England. It did try to fix some of the crap from TLJ, but again JJ isn’t a very good story teller. The decisions he and Terrio made, took, and poorly executed were so out of place it made me fell like I dropped acid after I walked out. Hell the movie was so visually jolting and all over the place it was like they were trying to make you forget how bad the story was by having you have to shake your head and refocus your eyes ever 50 seconds. What a disappointment the sequel trilogy turned out to be.

Return of the Jedi: ends with the promise that Luke will go on to rebuild the Jedi. Luke 30 years later: ends up failing and becoming a depressed loser. Rise of Skywalker: ends with the promise that Rey will go on to rebuild the Jedi. Rey 30 years later: will likely end up failing and becomes a depressed loser.

I always saw something bad about this trylogy, I had a "bad feeling about this trylogy" first they don't know that much about the star wars story, secondly there is no consistency in the films, probably because all three directors had different idea on the movies, and finally, it contradicts all of the other trylogys because in the good saga anakin or Darth Vader vas the chosen one and in this one he is an evil voice inside someone's head.

Fun fact about James Earl Jones: Darth Vader isn’t the only (semi) Disney character that he voiced who gave his life to protect his son. Hint: The other one takes place in Africa

I still don’t get the defense of Last Jedi. New creative directions is massively offset by poor pacing and dumb character decisions. Painting your critics with the same brush isn’t generally a good way to win your side of the argument. I’m in a agreement about Rise of Skywalker though

Where is the Jenny Nicholson Twitter link?

1. Awesome video, and really well explained. 2. I’ll be honest, that was the cleanest transition to an ad I have ever seen. Well done! Ad break starts at 8:30

You were literally the first guy I found that correctly names Anakin‘s light saber instead of “The Skywalker saber” or “Ray’s saber”

The task was not impossible, they just needed a coherent through plot/story for three films before starting actual work on "The Force Awakens."

Filoni and Favreau are proving to everyone that the last 3 films were way over thought and should just go away and be canned. The Force Awakens could have been good if the 2 following it had not been so bad, there was no over arching plan for the 3 movies, The Last Jedi strayed from the core by destroying Luke and the last one to try and fix it rather than tell a story. We did not need subversion for The Last Jedi, it would have been perfectly fine to have Rey be the twin of Kilo (this makes waaaaaaay more sense for the Kilo/Rey connection and discovery of each other) Is it predictable, sure, but sometimes fans are ahead of the story, nothing can be done about that. The story should have been about how Leia and Luke were afraid of what Han and Leia's offspring could do and thus "try" to protect w/ a plan. Tell Han Kilo is the only child, hide Rey off somewhere else to be raised and watched over by trusted people, just in case....rhymes. Write from that point of view and now you can tell stories. You can still have the dissolve of the Han/Leia's relationship as they differed on sending their only son off to be a Jedi, especially as they, by that time, would have known the story of Vader and Luke and the dangers of the Dark Side of the force. Luke and Leia wanting Kilo to be trained and Han against it. Real conflict that makes sense as to why Han/Leia would be apart and have to reconcile, Han discovering his daughter only after having kinship and adventures w/ her too late as he give his life to now protect her against his fallen son/ her brother. If I can see this, those films should have been better when done by "professionals". Thus the disappointment in the overall fan base w/ the last 3 movies. (PS we so desperately wanted them to be good, is that wrong?)

Great analysis! I have yet to rewatch Rise of Skywalker because I hated the ending so much. The fact that Rey chooses to become a Skywalker, despite the fact that theme of the whole film seemed to be that your lineage doesn’t matter, irritates me to this day. She should have proudly accepted that she’s a Palpatine and made the name mean something completely different to future generations.

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Hey Ryan Really enjoy your channel-.keep up the great work!

Solid breakdown. Also, Palpatine could have worked as the new villain if Abrams and Terrio had been more patient and not blown their wad right out the gate. The opening crawl should have hinted at an important message that would change everything, and then the whole crew hears the audio message when Po and Finn get back to base. From there, the rest of the first act and most of the second, should have centered on the question "Is it true?" We should have been witnesses to the ultimate game of "ratz in a maze" with Rey and Kylo both desperately searching for the, hoping to get it first. Both of them wondering "Is this a trick, or has he really returned? If so, how?" Just like one movie ago, their mutual problem is solved together. It's only by sharing their info and connecting their powers that they can unlock the final obstacle to the way finder, and it'll only work if both of them in close proximity. Palpy doesn't show up on screen till the end of Act Two, as the stage is set for the final conflict. When they confront him, we get some kind of actual answer to how he's gotten over being dead. Any explanation, I don't care how smart or stupid, but something ON SCREEN has to be said. "Clones. You guys know I invested heavily in cloning right? There was, like, a whole war about it and everything. Cloning is, just, totally dark side." whatever, but give us an actual damn answer in the moment. At this point, with or without the "she's my granddaughter" back pedal, the story's still stronger, just for having Palpatine's emergence get some build up. If the grand baby reveal is ditched, go with something like; "The prophecy of the Force Being Balanced is not a single, solitary event. It is a cycle, that begins and ends and begins again. Each cycle mirrors the others, but new glints of light and shades of darkness emerge each time. This time, the chosen one, is the chosen two. One champion of light and one of dark. Each can tip the balance one way or the other. Each can embrace either side of the force. Each can be the song that calls the tune of destiny! Now... you must choose. Who will Rise... Who Will Fall? Which shall rule... Light or Dark? Love or Hate? Generosity or Greed? Compassion or Malice? Choose, but choose quickly, for the choice may not be yours for much longer!" Cut to Rey and Kylo locking eyes and... we have stakes and emotional investment and something the audience would be on the edge of their seat itching to see play out.

4:02 🤣😭you kill me

yo i like how you put that deadpool scene "its just lazy writing" in here when the whole time im watching your vid, that popped up to my mind lol

What sequel trilogy is this you`re talking about?!

Thank you for the music it definitely uplifted my mood 😂

Awesome analysis. I'd be interested to hear more about how to think episode 9 could have continued after the last jedi, without just retconning everything. Actually recover from what sucked about TLJ, but keep the good aspects of the character development.

Who else thinks Chris Terrio has had a conversation with the memory of his dead father?

Ah yes, hating on RoS, my favorite thing to do

Just re-make the bloody things already, I'm tired of these movies making us forget how much Jar-Jar sucked out loud

Just realized that when Luke tells Leia that Vader’s his father, they never acknowledge that Vader’s HER father too! That’s never developed anywhere in Star Wars.

This is why I've always said you cannot let your fans dictate what your story is and where it goes, when you do you get Rise of Skywalker.

I've always wanted this video ❤️

They’ll say that every time, just because I thought the Last Jedi was crap I must be a SWJ hatter. The film was just badly made.

Ouch thanks again for sharing your hard work

Is it worst than « That’s how we’re gonna win. Not fighting what we hate, saving what we love. » ? Yes.

i can't decide which is the worst star wars ever, the last jedi or the rise of palpatine.

I watched the rise of skywalker today because I was bored funny how that worked out

I have this head cannon that Ryan and Doug work in one of the last DVD stores in the country and it’s like a clerks in a movie store Where each episode becomes a talk about a movie. And honestly I’d be on board for skits about this.

9:49 looolll the shade

My thoughts on the sequel trilogy: ep7: Nice! I mean, it copies ep4 quite a bit, but at least it is a safe proof-of-concept that they can make new Star Wars movies well. ep8: Yeah, okay. Pretty good, but a few...bad parts...just let Leia die, let Finn die, etc. ep9: No. Just no. Horrific plot line, terrible idea, ruins the movie, the trilogy, and really the whole saga.

I pin none of the blame on the staff that worked on the film, and all of the blame on Disney, who clearly didn't properly plan out the trilogy and just blindly assumed that the writers and directors they hired would somehow make back-to-back-to-back cohesive chapters.

I straight up forgot the beginning of the rise of Skywalker 😂

really like the "local video rental store" setup. :)

Great video!!!

George Lucas even said: "He's like the Devil..." referring to Sidious.

Haha Large Marge!! You made my year!!! That’s some great editing right there!!

All together awful trilogy let’s just leave it at that

I actually thought the Palpatine could have worked really well if it was actually built up to from the beginning rather than an eleventh hour decision. If the latter had been true, like you said, it would have explained how ridiculously powerful she was. I'm a sucker for stories about people overcoming their circumstances to choose a different path in life. I feel like the way to have done it would be to have it not be a reveal -- have Rey start off as a Sith, and then move to the light. It could have been a fun riff on the prequels but in reverse. Though I guess that would have been too ballsy for Disney. When you watch A New Hope, there all these nuggets in that film hinting to Luke's parentage, like the exchange between Owen and Beru -- "He's just not a farmer, Owen. He has too much of his father in him." "That's what I'm afraid of." -- And how Alec Guiness portrayed Obi-Wan like the prequels already existed, especially when he was telling Luke about his father. George Lucas was a brilliant storyteller and did such a wonderful job of creating this world. The prequels are flawed films, but had at least had a vision, interesting and compelling characters, and add to the originals. I don't care what anyone says, I love Anakin and Hayden Christensen's portrayal of him, but I digress. The fact is, these movies are bad because they don't have a creative reason for being. They were made for money and to cash in on nostalgia. The first six films came from George Lucas' heart and soul, and spoke to universal truths about humanity and family and how one person can make a difference even though you might come from humble origins. THAT'S why people love these movies. These new ones could have been good. They're just so hollow, and they don't add anything of value to the canon. And don't even get me started on Palpatine's resurrection and how in doing that the filmmakers of this movie shat on Anakin Skywalker's grave. (Yes, I know Anakin is not a real person. My point stands.)

Return of the jedi is my favorite star wars movie, while I *liked the rise of Skywalker, it doesn't touch the original trilogy

You tied them together perfectly

Thank you for posting this video.. A whole lot to think on.. This is the way - I have spoken.. Mandalorian Awesomeness hands down..

My fiancé is not a Star Wars fan but sat down with me when IX came to Disney + and we watched together. The two scenes that made him go "that is BAAD" writing were when Palpatine explains how he survived (the dark side), and when Kylo reveals Rey is a Palpatine as well. He actually got up and left the room hahaha!

I feel obliged to mention, the scuttlebutt is that Abrams/Terrio weren’t going to bring Palpatine back. Originally Abrams conferred with Lucas and the plan was for The Son of Mortis to be the ultimate evil. That’s why the Sith Dagger is so prominent and Matt Smith was cast. However, Bob Eiger himself nixed it at some point during principal photography saying - no one is going to know who this guy is!!! So Abrams had to scramble. They could only think of Palpatine and everything with the Emperor was shot as a reshoot only a couple months before the film came out!!!!!

U looked all wrong I look it like "U R MOM" 🤣😂🤣😂🤣 keep that job u r really good at it thx

So hey Ryan another video I saw on how bad “Rise of Skywalker” is the video said a big reason J.J Abrams bought back Palpatine was because fans hated the movie before it and bought back the iconic character as a way to please the fans

What is that puppet character from @ 4:07?

Really great video. It makes so much sense, especially at the end where you summarize the reasons episode 9 failed. But I will say this; despite the fact the JJ made a very bad ending to a trilogy, I really don't blame him. He basically took the helm of a burning ship and said, "I'll do what I can." He took on the project after other great directors wouldn't, knowing that he had to serve a broken fan base. He was given a short amount of time not only to make this movie but write the script from scratch. He was set up for failure from the moment the powers that be decided to "wing it" on the most important trilogy in history and not have a game plan for the entire arch of the story before filming the first shots! Could ROS have been better? 100% yes. Could JJ have done better? Probably not. JJ has never been much of a closer. He's always been able to open a story with some great questions but not bring stories to a satisfying ending. Lost is just one example.

Hello Mr. ScreenCrush can you make a video on comparison between WW1984 & Megamind because i think they are very similar.

“The force awakens felt like a labor of love.” Swing and a miss there, Ryan.

I got some mr.plinkett vibe right now. Again it’s like poetry, it rhymes.

I never got past the fact that the first order overran the Republic in a week. Halfway through the movie I was sitting in the theatre still thinking about that. But then Holdo broke Star Wars physics by using light-speed ramming and I got up and walked out.

According to when the commercial cut in, JJ Abrams dreamed of being a mini wheat without frosting.

Disney has redeemed itself by creating THE Mandalorian

10:12 there's no palpatine "house." It was one dude. maybe you could say it was one guy vs a family but definitely not two houses against each other.

100% agree, Ray should've stayed no one. Too bad too many fan's got butt hurt..

The OG SW worked because it had great directors. The Sequel trilogy had a couple of losers JJ and RJ.

From day-1 Disney didn't know what to do with the trilogy, so it flip flops between new and inventive and old rhyming poetry and fan service. I was ok with the trilogy as just a piece of light entertainment but if they'd had an actual plan and stuck to it, this could have been a masterpiece.

The Dead Speaks….What!!!!

Vader’s line of “it is too late for me, son” is better than any of the lines in Rise of Skywalker

dear screen crush CEO's: please give Ryan a raise

How can you have a list of bad Star Wars scenes without “Somehow palpatine survived”:)

Your analysis explains perfectly why this film was so devastatingly disappointing to me. I'd been underwhelmed by Star Wars films in the past (1, 2, Rogue One, Solo) but this is the first one that I actively dislike. It retroactively devalues all of the previous films and ends this trilogy on such a thud. For the first time, I didn't accept what happened. As far as I'm concerned, enough happened in The Last Jedi for that film to serve as the conclusion to the saga.

So much good stuff here! I share these sentiments. "Last Jedi" wasn't my favorite of the SW films, but I didn't hate it. And I REALLY appreciated that Rian Johnson was at least TRYING to do something different after the completely derivative "Force Awakens." (Starkiller Base is still a trigger for me. WHY did you need a THIRD Death Star?") My criticism of RJ is that he just set up (or tore down) WAY too many plot points to then just walked off and say, "OK, next!" If Disney was going to commit this level of subversion of fan expectations they really should have had a plan in place for the final chapter.

The only issues I had with Rise of Skywalker were the ones created by Rian Johnson in Last Jedi.

The entire Sequel-Trilogy SUCKED in all ways, they should have just used the Zahn Books, WORD. FOR. WORD.

Hi Doug!! 🖤

The Force Awakens is what got me into Star Wars. Silly, yes but having TFA mirror A New Hope was a good way to introduce new fans. I used to make fun of Star Wars nerds now I'm the biggest one I know. I was dragged to the movies to see TFA, but I left with that magical force feeling that has changed my life. I will always be grateful to TFA. And A New Hope is still one of my least faves lol

@13:13 Maz already told her that in TFA. Which is actually worse, because why would Maz lie. I always assumed Kylo was lying because, well, he's a bad guy.

like when I bought this Offspring album. Its in my decision collection.

It’s important to note how many of the decisions in this movie were mandated by Disney executives. JJ was paid a lot of money to sign his name to a movie which he barely wrote, or even formulated. In a sense, he was the fall guy for this whole corporate effort.

Can't believe this was the last movie I saw in theaters. Sad!