The Scene That Explains Why Winter Soldier Worked and Iron Man 2 Didn’t | SCENE FIGHTS! 

What do you think of Iron Man 2?

''before we start, does anyone want to get out?''

I just realized how much of the hydra reveal hurts to cap since he sacrificed literally everything including HIS LIFE and HIS LOVE for peggy to destroy them

Cap isn't my favourite hero, but he has the best character arc and with winter soldier one of the best sequels ever made.

"Winter Soldier" is not just a good MCU film. It's one of the GREATEST SUPERHERO FLICKS EVER PUT TO FILM!!! It stands alone! It needs no real connection to any of the other superheroes to work! It transforms the foundation of a Cinematic Universe, without completely taking a dump over all the films that came before it! It's a once-in-a-lifetime movie! And it is still, to this very day, probably the MCU's single greatest movie, from a story standpoint!!

In iron mans defense, Iron man 2 was a phase 1 movie when the writing was still not as natural and the actors were still getting comfortable as well. Iron man 2 was made just so it made sense why tony was in the first avengers movie as well. Love cap and tony though

"This isn't freedom, this is fear."

I was so awe-struck in the theatre when I saw n heard an actor like Robert Redford say shit like "Hail hydra"......that alone made this movie awesome for me.

Captain America The Winter Soldier is my favorite movie from Captain America Franchise in the MCU.

Winter Soldier is one of the best movies EVER!

Yeah I agree. Iron Man 2 is still a decent movie, but it's one of the worst in the MCU. Winter Soldier is one of the best. I didn't even realize how similar they were until you pointed out all of the similarities though haha.

It's sad we won't see Iron Man and Captain America for a long time in the MCU.

I never realised there were so many parallels that's mad

5:30 Even Hydra had character development

Winter Soldier is the best Marvel movie to date. We need more like it

Personally a big fan of both movies. I would say Iron Man 2 is over hated. Iron Man 2 is really just a popcorn flick and a whole lot of fun. Winter Soldier is of course a fantastic movie and one of my favorites. Great video as usual 👍👍

Captain America trilogy is somewhat similar to dark knight Trilogy And is one of the only MCU films where the plot is serious,not humourous like other films I love this film

I disagree about The Winter Soldier owing its existence to Iron Man 2. It's one of the select few MCU entries that can be watched as a standalone.

The Winter Solider imo is the best mcu movie and one of the best superhero movies ever made. Also iron man 2 isn’t as bad as some people say he is

Me, who loves Iron Man and the Iron Man trilogy’s and enjoys Iron Man 2: *feels attacked*

Iron man is a great trilogy franchise and had its potential but its just poorly written. Ironman 2 & 3 had little to nothing contribution on character development and the MCU as a whole. Meanwhile, CA movies have been very integral to the MCU. First Avenger introduced Hydra and banished Red Skull, Winter Soldier dismantled SHIELD and made cap doubt about authoritarian control, paving the way for Tony to create Ultron (surprisingly, cap's character development between TFA and TWS is deeper than it looks like) and CW made half of the Avengers rogue that led to Thanos getting the stones. Irom Man 2 and 3 feels like a standalone sequel

Actually, when I first saw Winter Soldier, I didn't realize how big the hydra-SHEILD plot was. I just felt like they recycled the villain. But after watching the whole MCU movies and re-watching WS again, I just realized how important the plot was. About Iron Man 2, it was good enough for me with some memorable scenes. I like to see Tony dealing with his stress and RDJ did it great. It showed that superhero also had flaws and problems even the rich and powerful one like Tony. But I have to say that I don't like the villain, the worst ones in the MCU.

"Ahhhh....thats's where you've been." Man, I sure do miss that show. Roger & Peggy all day.

My top 5 MCU are: 1. Guardians of the Galaxy 2. Winter Soldier 3. Infinity War 4. Civil War 5. Spider-Man Homecoming

When the director himself says the production was rushed and I wanted more time.....I can understand as a supporter of snydercut

I like both films but Winter Soldier is amazing. But wow I didn’t realise how many similarities they have. Edit: also you make really good points about Iron Man 2, I’ve never really thought about it like that but it’s interesting considering the story structure and what makes a film work or not work. Great video!

I think that W.S would've done just fine without any source material. On the surface level, it didn't look like Iron Man 2 at all, it was more complex and bits of the story were splashed here and there but formed a cocoon in the end. Iron Man 2 was a must more average story without any moral message and was only focused on the main protagonist instead of the narrative. W.S feels like an entire different ground, it was such a unique entry in the MCU that is still deemed as the best MCU solo movie by most fans. If Iron Man 2 was the source material, then i wonder how it's the worst MCU movie on so many people's list. Considering that you are saying it took most sotry engine from the IM2, it would've failed nonetheless but it didn't.

Recently re-watched Winter Soldier, which cemented my belief that...overall...this is the best MCU movie of all time. Strong in every way from open to close - great characters and acting, complex plot, but not overwrought, anchored in the real world but still "super-heroic" enough to satisfy. Tons at stake for each character, and for the MCU as a whole. As close to a perfect super hero movie, IMO, as I have seen.

I know I’m watching this really late, but what if Howard Stark knew what kind of father he was. He knew he was super busy and his mind wasn’t on raising his son. He scolded tony in the scene but then said he loved him and made all of that for him because he had big dreams for his son one day and their relationship just wasn’t one that was super affectionate. Which made the scene in End Game that much more impactful. And to your point about him dying when tony was an adult, by that time I’m sure Howard saw his potential but also saw that he was being reckless and maybe wasn’t ready to pass the mantle to his son. Not knowing he was going to die before he had a chance to pass the torch. Which leads to Tony getting worse and becoming the man he is in iron man 1. 🤷🏽‍♀️ I’m new to this but after seeing your take on the scene I felt like you could have gone a little deeper into the relationship. But I agree that SHIELD ruined the movie haha

Cap has the best storyline in the MCU

Actually, looking from a perspective of finished storyline of Tony Stark, Iron Man 2 had the best possible keypoint - Tony's growth. His growth from a chldish "Genius, Billionaire, Playboy, Philanthropist" with little to no moral sense into a man who saved the whole universe. Both movies are good, and nether one is better. Because they're different and have a different scale. WS was about world-scale events and IM2 was about growth of a world saviour.

@ScreenCrush Are you a movie critic in real life? Your analysis about what works and what does not work in a movie is so spot on! 👍👍👍👍

The point of Nick Fury is to put howard stark in to the picture so he can discover the new element. Second iron man 2 is before avengers while the winter soldier is after the first avengers movie, so both are in different time lines.

Wrong!!!! Iron man 2 is not the one with the bird, it’s the one with a “BURD”

Yeahhh i agree that's why Captain America was the best trilogy of the MCU back then they even had one of the best actors in Hollywood and yet they were wasted e.g Ben Kingsley

I liked Iron Man 2 but the Winter Soldier was wayy better. I personally liked it because there weren't just global stakes but also personal stakes. Also, it had Bucky. And as RDJ once said, "When they have a Bucky, then we'll talk"

Iron man 2 was a far cry from a top MCU movie. it would be in probably the bottom half. But. That does not say much, given the quality of the top half. Iron man 2 as not the best movie, but it was still very good. the action sequences were very well choreographed, and the villain made total sense, as well as helping to set up for homecoming. some of the transitions were clunky, yes, but they were also a very realistic way that at least Nick Fury would have info-dumped on tony. in addition, we don't know hardly anything about Howard stark. there was probably an agent in shield who he trusted to get the info to tony, and several fail-safes, especially if he has any similarity to his son. I would say that it is underrated, but far from the best.

You messed up with calling Howard leaving Tony the message in some expo outtake reel a stupid plan. It wasn't a plan, he was thinking out loud at that moment, Howard never planned on dying and would likely have given this info more directly to a much older Tony Stark had he lived and been unable to complete the work himself.

I really liked Iron Man 2. Great compelling bad guy in Whiplash. Introducing Black Widow as well as War Machine. Illustrated Tony's continuing breakdown.

I just enjoyed Winter Soldier more because it was filmed in Cleveland when I was working downtown. One picture I have shows Fury’s SUV, with a stunt driver, that has bullet holes in the rear driver side window that make a smiley face. It can be seen for a moment during the film.

Come on now..Ironman movie's literally gave platform for MCU saga....IM2 was only 3rd movie with no inkling of main endgame plotline. They made the movie as much flexible as they can to give a way to upcoming movie's..... Point being IM2 wasn't that bad and it was more fun. Caps movie's are real story telling stuffs.

Winter Soldier or Infinity War is the best MCU movie. Fight me.

ok, what? i want to know who legitimately thinks iron man 2 is better than winter soldier and this is coming from someone who likes iron man better than captain america.

Ironman II will always have a place in my heart as I had just got my first home theater when it came out, so I replayed it constantly. Yes, there were mistakes but Marvel has recovered and the film still has enough great scenes to make it enjoyable.

Remember how warner brothers crammed every justice league character onto a laptop 😅😂

Good video, disagree The winter soldier would have done fine without Iron man 2 The winter soldier is my favorite of all the marvel films it is the best. Wish they made more like it.

The Only True failure in the Iron Man Trilogy is that we didn't get Iron Man vs the Mandarin, despite the Ten Rings Easter egg in the first movie. They managed to do a trilogy where the proverbial Batman didn't face the proverbial Joker. Where Superman didn't face Lex Luthor. They didn't finish the fight.

Winter Soldier has the stronger emotional theme with the pathos reaching its pinnacle during Cap and the Winter Soldier's epic "I know you're in there somewhere" fight. Ironically Howard Stark's death and the founding of SHIELD come back as the major plot points in the Captain America films.

I started watching winter soldier with very low expectations but it turned out to be a great movie and best marvel movie released till date.

Winter soldier is still one of the best MCU movies, Ironman 2 isn’t all that bad.

Not even close. I was stuck to the screen with the winter soldier

These are some of the best video-essays out there on Marvel and DC-- EPICNESS. Thank you.

All these comparison videos are great. Thx.

I just realized that the Randy’s donuts place where he talks to nick fury is also in marvels runaways

The moment you dove into Iron Man 2's flaws, my guess was exactly what you said in your conclusion. Iron Man 2 was about understanding the basics for a cinematic universe and Winter Soldier reaped the benefits of experience.

I'm pretty certain that, had SHEILD been around, with or without HYDRA in control , it would have made little to no difference as to whether or not Thanos would have been able to pull off his mission.

I must disagree with the premise of this review. The portions of IronMan2 where Tony watches the film of his father while going over his father's last notes on the Tessaract, and then receives the message from Howard Stark, speaking from beyond the grave, are perhaps the most emotional moments in any Marvel Comics Movie. " What is, and Always Will Be, My Greatest Creation, is YOU !" And gives Tony the clue that unlocks the secret that saves his life. Tony Stark then unlocking the secret, working with Jarvis and building the Accellerator to make the new Element, are the sort of thing that can inspire any little kid to become interested in the Sciences, and all the promise they hold out for humanity.

I have watched captain america winter soldier more than 50 times.

Iron man 2 did not do as well commercially and financially , I love both movies but Iron Man 2 (2010) : 623 millions Budget : 200 millions Rotten Tomatoes : 73% Captain America : The Winter Soldier (2014) : 714 millions Budget : 170 millions Rotten Tomatoes : 90% But still , both movies reached a height of success that so many movies never do.

I like Iron Man 2. I do think it's on the better side of MCU, it's fun, structurally well-made and has a fair bunch of memorable moments.

Maaan, you're a genius, thank you for this video!!!! Can't say anymore, you're the man. Greetings from México

That's my favorite scene from winter soldier..A lot of information given by Zola.

I just finished watching Winter Soldier for the first time and of all the marvel films I've seen, it's definetly my favorite. I can't remember being so invested in the story during any of the previous movies. Considering their leanght and my short attention span, I usually find some parts of all the films boring. However, this movie had me absolutely hooked. However, My excitement for it wasn't quite as high during the last fifty minutes or so as it had been before. It was by no means bad, I just didn't find it AS thrilling as some of the precious parts. That being said, it might just have been cause it's literally in the middle of the night and I'm really tired.

I got into MCU after watching the WS. I just saw Iron Man 1 and The Avengers before that. WS introduced me to Bucky. His reveal made me curious so I finally watched TFA and decided to watch all MCU Phase 1 movies in order. It’s true what everybody says. WS is one of the best movies in the MCU. A surprise since Captain America had this stiff, boring image before but WS gave his character more depth. The opening scene is straight out of a espionage movie like the Bourne series. My Top 3 MCU movies would be 1. Endgame 2. The Winter Soldier 3. Avengers

Did anybody noticed that In the ending of Infinity War, 3 members from each team {i.e, team tony and team captain} were died which is a subtle node to 50% from both teames - Perfectly Balanced

Bruh that whole segment and edit of Fury with Tony was GOLD. i wish that was actually in the movie and how it went; just Tony feeling LOST as hell.

Very well said. I love the MCU in general but I do think IM2 had a lot of shortcomings. However, I definitely agree that it was a very important stepping stone to the MCU's success. I loved that they learned from this movie's shortcomings and applied them to future films. Many props to Marvel Studios for learning from their mistakes.

Wow you guys are killing it

Iron Man 2 did yeoman's work, and it was plainly obvious. But it was still a decent film. Winter Soldier, though, is just on another level and it is because the story is much tighter and more meaningful. It is really transformative and impactful on so many levels for the MCU.

I always thought widow was referencing the saw movies. I learned something today.

clearly the winter soldier has a more solidified ideology and concept as the art of intensity progresses in the movie--and even if iron man 2 might not have succeeded in developing the heart of the movie it is really shown that it it has been one of the main tying knot to the MCU.

I'm watching this video for the first time in 2021 and I'm glad I'm not the only one who LOVES Justin Hammer. He's the best.

All Captain America films involved story arcs that contributed to the entire MCU, whilst keeping CA as the central character.The film titles even suggest this - CA: The First Avenger, CA: The Winter Soldier, CA: Civil War. So while CA is the anchor to the films, the stories affecting him become more interesting. Iron Man's films are just numbered, indicating a focus on the main character at the expense of supporting characters. Once you've seen IM1, there is nothing more to learn about him or this interactions with others until you watch the Avengers films. Captain America, with the shield being physically and literally passed to Falcon, there is clear continuity, with interesting ways the story arcs can go. We didnt see that hand over between IM and Spider-man. Spider-man has not appeared in any IM movie, so I'm less invested and a little annoyed with Spidey tasked with carrying on IMs legacy, when Spidey's own story in the MCU has yet to be embedded. We know how and why Falcon and Bucky are CA's BFFs from CA2. After several movies, all we know about IM's BFF's - one is a soldier who wears a sub par Iron Man suit and the other is head of security - for a one man army! It didnt help that they changed the actor for WM, a change that was handed very badly. IM2 introduced Black Widow as a stereotypical 'secretary' type, but the character was poorly fleshed out and overly sexualised. Principally remembered for single handedly beating up Hammer's security - beauty and brawn, just a capable sidekick. In CA2, we learn more about the super intelligent, highly skilled, humorous, spy, who saves and was saved by CA. They are equals. She is more than a sidekick, she is an Avenger. Cant say the same for War Machine. CA2 is regarded as one of the best films of all time. CA2 is near perfect, with a superb cast, fantastic plot, brilliant direction - heck this movie finally put Marvel Studios on the map. CA2 was far better than CA1 - and CA1 is a great movie. IM2, while a 'not-bad' movie, isn't as good as IM1 or in the same class as CA2. It didnt concentrate enough on long term character or story development. If it had, maybe we would be looking forward to IM4, 5 and 6, with TV or film spin offs for War Machine, Happy and even Pepper Pots/ Rescue! And dare I say ... Iron Woman, the adventures of Morgan Stark. It's telling that Iron Man will be remembered for his suits and heroic death. Captain America will be remembered for his entire story arc, the continuing stories of his BFFs, and the possibly of his return as Old Man Cap! Old Man Iron Man? No thanks.

4:28 he calls cap “camp” lol.

Oh My God , you are really good at finding similarities 😍

Excellent analysis. How about a video on power at Marvel, how it all went to Feige?

Is anyone even saying Iron Man 2 is better than Winter Soldier?

I love both films, I actually liked iron man 2, yes there are a few problems with it but I thought it was a good movie. But yes winter soldier is definitely better than iron man 2.

Did you say that Iron Man 2 didn't work? The movie was great. RDJ being hilarious as always yet at the same time is spiraling out of control cuz he's dying. His and Pepper's relationship. The introduction of Black Widow. War Machine and the expo fight scene was great. Hammer's dance on stage😂. Hard to imagine anyone not liking it

I mean Winter Soldier had more drama because of the story line. Tony wasn’t fighting some ancient friend who was brainwashed and made into an assassin...like come on. For the story they had Ironman 2 was a solid and fun movie.

I don't agree. Tony's relationship with his dad is one of the scenes that hit me the hardest and I like to rewatch. Also the narration of Fury about who Howard really was just shows how much Tony had a dad, but didn't actually because he didn't really know him.

The Amazing Spider-Man 2 proved that we really, *really* didn't need an entire movie of Tony uncovering his dad's work. The reveal that Howard founded SHIELD was treated exactly as importantly as it needed to be - that is, not important at all. I thought the scene where Tony figured out the new element from Howard's model was the genius of the film - it saved his life, it reminded him that his father wasn't perfect, but loved him all the same, and I think *that* was the spark for Tony that made him realize that he couldn't save the world alone. Point being, I obviously don't think IM2 is perfect, but I also don't think that you're giving the film enough credit.

It's a testimate to RDJ that other then Iron Man 1 the Iron Man movies were completely unremarkable and yet tended to do the best in the box office.

Thank you for making some sense out of it and connecting what could be connected. Your points are clear and your reasoning is good. yes it is still better then most DC movies.

In their defense, Ironman 2 was one of the foundations. Everything that followed after was just an improvement upon it!

#ReleaseTheFavreauCut

Honestly, I never liked the MCU's decision to have Hydra take over of SHIELD. While minor things would change, the overall plot of most of their movies would be largely the same, except for Civil War, probably. Now there's SWORD, which is pretty much the exact same thing but without Nick Fury. If it wasn't going to have much of an impact and eventually they replace it with SHIELD 2.0, why not just keep the original? Also, if they knew SHIELD was about to be taken over by Hydra, why would they make their multi-season TV show about "agents of SHIELD" of all things?

I generally like these, and this one was an especially unique take on the standard formula 👍 👍

I actually think Iron Man 2 is really underrated

Captain America movies will always win.

Winter Soldier is the best MCU and where it really evolved into something greater, where the filmmakers were allowed to really try different styles and stretch.

The Captain America trilogy is a masterpiece.

What's your MCU Ranking?

The whole thing with Iron Man 2 just confused the crap out of me. Howard not only created this new element before he even had the means to make it a reality, but KNEW that Tony would be able to actually make it and it just so happens that this one element is the key to solving Tony's poisoning problem from the arc reactor in his body.....which the next movie shows he could have just had surgically removed at any point anyway but that's beside the point, because not only does this happen, but Nick flat out tells him that watching the videos and going through the stuff will help him solve the riddle of his heart....MEANING HE KNEW IT ALL ALONG!. He could have just flat out told him from the beginning but basically gave him everything he needed and hoped he would stumble into it. Hell You are telling me no one at Shield could have made the element anyway that Tony created in his basement in a day with stuff he ordered online, to just give to tony to solve his poisoning problem so he could focus on dealing with Hammer and Vanko. It.....it hurts my head lol

Gr8 video

Senator Stern was always a Hydra agent which at the time was very 😦 and of course we didn’t know about that truth until winter soldier

Iron Man 2 is my favourite MCU movie. I like it even more now knowing they were forced to add elements to it, and still managed to make it awesome

Howard stark recording a message for his son wasn't so weird. Lots of parents record messages for their kids even when they were babies or toddlers. As to why it's encrypted and buried, perhaps Howard weren't sure what kind of person his son will turn out to be. Because of this Howard wasn't sure if he really wanted to preserve the world changing technology. But in the end he left a hard to find, hard to decode message and left it to fate.

My only real complaint with Iron Man 2 was the lackluster final battle. It was far, far too easy for Whiplash to go down and apart from the drones he personally didn't present much of a threat to Tony or Rhodey. I would have liked to seen more struggle between them before overcoming, it made the film fall a little flat for me.

I love these comparison videos. Also, as much love as I have for TWS, Iron Man 2 is okay, I'm ... I'm good with it.