Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Fans Vs Critics (Spoilers) 

Does Mark Ellis know that the company he works for posts videos that exploits those fan theories for likes and views?

Thanos places the last infinity stone into the gauntlet, he glazes over it as he comes to the realization that he finally has unlimited power. He then takes the gauntlet off and throws it over his shoulder implying that the gems he had been searching for for twelve years are useless. He realizes that power was within him the whole time. -Rian Johnson - Avengers: Infinity War.

Y'all complaining about fans speculating when all your channel does is promote and encourage wild speculation.

Christ..."The lightsaber doesn't matter?" Luke's blue saber was literally the first Jedi artifact he ever touched. Obi-Wan, his mentor, gave him the saber and specifically said "Your father wanted you to have it, when you were old enough." It's the saber that he faced down Vader with. The Force Awakens OBVIOUSLY suggested that the saber is infused with Force energy, it's one of the most important and impactful weapons in the galaxy, one of the most important lighsabers to have ever existed. Before that, it was ANAKIN SKYWALKER'S LIGHTRSABER, one of only two he ever constructed. It's the saber that sliced off Count Dooku's hands. It's the saber he carried as Darth Vader in the March on the Jedi Temple, the saber that slaughtered hundreds of Jedi during the Purge. It's a powerful artifact with history and weight in the mythology of Star Wars. Anyone who claims to be a "hardcore" Star Wars fan that was OK with seeing such a storied and important piece of the Star Wars story turned into a hammy joke for giggles should be completely disappointed. Think about it, the last time Luke held that saber he was facing down the most evil and hated being in the galaxy, only to find that it was HIS OWN FATHER. Hell, even before she touched it Rey got the sense that this wasn't just any lightsaber, and she thought Luke was a freaking MYTH. JJ Abrams obviously got it. Not sure why no one else seems to. This was a terribly executed Star Wars film, and re-watching The Force Awakens afterwards made it all the more disappointing. So much promise wasted. I'm glad a lot of people seem to like it, but I guess Star Wars just isn't for me anymore. This hamfisted practice of getting movies out ASAP and not having a singular creative vision on board from the start is going to slowly erode the franchise. For anyone still invested in the films, may the Force be with you, cos Disney has fallen to the dark side.

Here's a thought, Get 2 critics who liked it, and 2 critics who didn't. Now have them argue their side of it. That's what I want to watch. Not speculation on what the masses are thinking. I can read the comments for that!

So Mark Ellis just went off on saying Star Wars fans shouldn't speculate with upcoming films but yet he sits on Jedi council speculating about the next Star Wars film. Shall I say PLOT HOLE😮

I like how the fact girl immediately starts off with speculation. That wasn't a fact that was maybe a Facebook group doing something

Rotten Tomatoes confirmed the audience score is real collider why you lying tho

I love how Rocha didn't interrupt people while they were talking. I wish everyone else would try that while he's talking.

Am I the only one who thought it funny Mark commenting "who told you spend years of your life debating Rey's parents are." while Colliders 2nd most popular show is Jedi Council who do exactly that? And that awkward table shot with Christian looking at him. Lol

This movie gets worse the more I think about it.

There's a difference between being a fan and a fanboy, Mr Ellis.

"Who told you to spend years of your like debating whos Rey's parents are?" Perhaps its because Rey's first exposure to a force vision practically asks that question.

People are milking Last Jedi videos harder than Luke milked that space cow fish thing.

Or People just didn't like it...

You think the Audience score is bs? Check out the comments of this very video. Almost all of them are expressing their disappointment about this film. Star Wars fans are genuinely disappointed that they butchered the potential this film had. I've spoken to 10 different people I know and all of them disliked this film. Not one person I know like the film. Yet critics gave it 93%. Go figure.

Come on Mark, the fans didn't just pull those questions out of their ass. The Films themselves asked and set up those questions only to brush them aside and say they don't matter. It was all set up, no punch line.

It's bullshit to blame the fans for being dissapointed. They set these things up in the first movie to be continued and it's thrown in the audiences face with jokes. Fuck that.

WHO TOLD YOU??! You told us Mark... (source: Jedi Council since its inception.)

They traded respecting the gravitas of Luke's return after 30 years for cheap slapstick Marvelesque humour.

Are they really acting like they didn't theorize the movie for the past 2 years? Wow

Rocha my man! Thank you for not being a blind fanboy. I'm so sick of people dismissing the Audience Score on RT. Why THIS film of all films? If the critics had it at a 72% instead of 93% this wouldn't even be a headline. It's an above average film with a lot of problems. It's rated the same as A New Hope by critics! Are you really going to tell me this film deserves as much praise as ANH does?

Seriously Mark you criticize your own fans for speculating about TLJ when you regularly feature on a weekly show that does the very same thing. No wonder the schmoes can’t even break 500,000 subscribers when Jeremy Jahns and other channels are doubling that amount lol

I can't believe how much excuses they are making for the problems of The Last Jedi. As an isolated film, I thought it was okay, but it isn't an isolated film. It is a part of a TRILOGY in a much larger universe. Having it answer nothing to built up suspense from earlier films, and contradicting established characters and lore makes it terrible.

I love how they lecture us on how it's wrong to tell others how to feel and act while telling us how to feel and act. . .

"What's the deal with canon!" The deal is that it doesn't matter anymore.

TLJ is the worst Star Wars film mainly because it destroys the legacy of Luke Skywalker. People will realise it eventually.

Where was this sense of compassion when BvS was released? A different take, with a more complex story of our greatest heroes. A decomposition of what it means to be a Superman. The psychological torture of a PTSD stricken Batman 20 years into a crusade that has cost him everything. Yet all that you talking heads could go on about was Martha. BvS got no pass yet TLJ which in my opinion is a MAJORLY messy film on so many levels. Hypocrisy at work.

Collider shilling for Disney... Sad... The movie is a direct insult to fans of the original trilogy.. And a insult to luke Skywalker character by making him a angry old hermit waiting to die...

Mark really want his Disney early excess pass lol

RT confirmed today that the audience number is accurate... Sorry folks....

Mark Ellis, you're completely missing the points of the criticism of the movie. The original trilogy was not just for kids, adults enjoyed it too. My dad enjoyed it enough to shared it with me when I was a kid. And that's the problem. Luke Skywalker has been my hero for 40 years and Ryan Johnson destroyed his character in 2.5 hours. The problem is not that the fan theories were wrong, it's the disrespect/disregard that Ryan Johnson showed for the setup in 7 and also the lore/characters in the original trilogy. Cinema score has the same problem as the critic score on Rotten Tomatoes. It's a polling of general movie goers and not Star Wars fans.

the only time luke weilded a light sabre in this entire trilogy was in a flashback to kill his nephew...

I don't understand why people that enjoyed the movie can't accept that some people didn't .

You guys are acting like "doing something new and bold" is the MAIN CRITICISM FANS HAVE. No, doing something new and bold has nothing to do with it. We hate the lazy writing, the cheap toilet jokes, the only interesting characters being thrown away like used tampons. Just because something is "bold" and "unexpected" DOES NOT make it good. A movie where Kylo Ren spends 45 mins farting into the camera is "bold and unexpected"... Doesnt change the fact its garbage

This movie makes no sense , 1 Chewie is a Wookie , who have a Lifedebt with Han , and help Rey to save Kylo? 2 What is the motivation of Rey to save Kylo ? if she saw him to kill Solo. 3 Why Luke , who save Vader one the most evil lord sith ever , and have a good experience bring him to light and now Luke want to kill Kylo just because he saw a glimpse of dark in him? Whattt ?? His nephew and son of his sister and best friend , and in time when galaxie was in peace?? 4 What the Holdo Logic plan? Why can put a BB8 or other Robot in the ship and sacrficie against Snoke ship?? if we saw BB8 driving a AT 5 Why Snoke who can managed Jedis Minds (Kylo and Ren) don t see and feel the Kylo mind , and cant read Hux mind in beggining? 6 Luke plan is dumbest , because he sacrfice himself to nothing , because Kylo could be continue strike the base with is army , and is Rey who can really save the Rebeles lifting the Rocks , so why? This movie makes no sense at all!! period.

Spoiler in the questions below. Collider please Answer these questions: Why does Kylo really hate his parents so much? I mean really what happened? Why does he admire Vader so much? Where are the knights of Ren? Why is Ben called Kylo Ren? What are the knights of Ren? Why are they knights? Why are they his knights Again where were they this whole film? If Kylo was mad at Luke why did he have to kill the other jedi trainees. And why did some agree to follow him? How did Snoke seduce Kylo to the dark? Did Snoke recruit them all? Who is Snoke? How did he come to power? Where do the First Order come from? Who is Phasma? Why is she important? Why does she wear silver? Who is that lil boy at the end? Why do I need to care about him at the end of SW? I mean who the heck is that lil boy with the broom? Why is R2 still not doing anything at All when he is clearly functionable? Why does Luke act like he doesn't understand Chewie's language after 3 films together? How did Maz get the light saber? When did Jedi power include force face time? Why did Luke perish? Why didn't the commander tell everyone her plan esp Poe who was concerned? Why on earth were they saving their fuel for hyper space and letting all those people die if they already planned to go to that planet? Why not have droids fly the fleet ships as they got destroyed. Esp if you need people and are trying to save life? Why would Luke not try to save his nephew if he did the same for his Dad? Why would his character just want to kill a child, albeit his sisters and best friends son. Seesh killing isnt that the mistake his Dad did to go dark? Why after Snoke is dead is Rey still seeing Kylo in force face time? Why are they connected? And why show a scene that leads us to believe the hole was reveal to the dark side for Rey when it served no purpose when she goes in the cave? That was like 15 minutes of unneccesary footage Was that just director trickery for no reason? Why wouldnt the force ghost train and help Luke teach , esp if they can show up at anytime? Where is Anakin Lukes Dad force ghost? He's the greatest force user who knows more about the seducing of the dark side. Why would he not show up to help his grandson, Ben? Why didnt Obi wan show up too? COLLIDER Look guys Some stuff just isn't explained it makes no sense in terms of the established story and characters, the third film now has a tough job filling the gaps all while concluding this saga that has derailed itself. Therefore the trilogy story-wise is doomed. Johnson was doing a prequel for his supposed trilogy in the midst of this trilogy. He disregraded this story to benefit his own agenda. He didnt care to answer any questions. He was ego directing like Snyder in BvS. I was right about Justice League and I will be right about this in this next film. It will be great visually but structurally unsound and characters will be weak underdeveloped, stagnant at best or just do off the wall shock value stuff. Weak like Kylos story character arc. Why should we care for the redemption of the guy who cold murdered and killed Han Solo? And then did the same to Snoke becoming the new big baddie. So he's a stagnant boring character with no arc...and still whinny. Learn from the prequels with Anakin, a scar does not count as character development. Doing off the wall stuff like screaming "Where's Rey" and running everywhere is not development. Rey falling in a hole is not answering or evolving her. Having her be already a packaged super powered superhero makes her like a mutant if she does not to develop her skills with a teacher. She lifts boulders and uses light sabers with ease. Yet we still have no new answers after two films for her. No conclusions were met. Those scenes like that, Kylo smashing his mask are vain wastes of time. There is no escaping good writing and character development. Rules of story telling and plot always win. TLJ is overloaded and convoluted and shows it's own contempt for itself and the source material, Mark Hamill, the classic characters of the OT and Lucas' legacy. The Worse second SW installment movie ever. Johnson should have watched Rogue One again. ROGUE ONE is a movie that works within its own genre yet gives new angles while answering questions within the SW universe. Like the Jedi crystal mountain scene. The death star was powered by jedi crystals So cool. And Johnson also should have taken character arc notes from ESB from director Ivan Kersnoff. See i cant answer any of those questions above. And neither can anyone else. And now I dont care anymore. Near 60% disliking this film is accurate just look at how many dislike your video. Im out on this SW experiment. Disney is the First Order and the Empire.

Harloff and Rocha want to tear this movie apart so bad they can taste it

Mark that's the most bullshit excuse I heard for people not liking this movie you have got to be kidding me..Force awakens set the tone and played into the fans speculating..Most of the shows on collider are based on speculating on what happens next come on..Do better

I call BS on Mark Ellis. You are part of the Jedi Council and have tha gall to ask who told them to speculate? You sir are a hypocrite.

So Snoke’s purpose was to show how great Kylo Ren is with the force.. But he couldn’t sense that Luke Skywalker wasn’t on the same planet as him? Seriously?

The impression I get from this is that Mark doesn’t want people complaining about the film. Let’s deal with the issue of fan speculation. This isn’t caused by the fans. JJ and Lucasfilm deliberately scripted and marketed TFA to be mysterious and to get fans speculating. There’s a reason Snoke was a mysterious hologram and Rey’s parentage was unknown and Obi-Wan spoke to her when she touched the lightsaber for the first time. Of course fans will speculate. This is frickin STAR WARS. If Lucasfilm then wants to release a film that basically slaps a huge number of fans in the face, then so be it, but they can hardly be surprised at the reaction they are getting.

Wow, 6K comments in 3 days, we bots are really learning how to write really fast

hahahahaha, these people are making the same arguments made by fans of Amy Schumer on why her rating is so low.

Cinema score is unreliable for 2 reasons. 1. It's such a tiny sample that it's statistically unreliable. 2. When u come out of a movie, the buzz, the energy of being there, perhaps the soda sugar streaming through ur system is likely to give a an off score. U haven't had proper time to digest what it is u saw and it's context. Often when u've had a little time to think about it u settle on a more reflective score

Are you serious Mark this is Star Wars and if the mystery behind Rey’s parents and snokes character was defiantly laid out in the force awakens of these mysteries were not important why not just say her parents were nobody in the force awakens don’t bait the fans and leave it for speculation especially with leaving on a cliff hanger.

This is honestly some of the worst defense of this film that I’ve heard

Who told us? Mark, you are utterly ridiculous. IT WAS YOU, MAN! You and the rest of the Collider crew. That's why I loved watching you guys. But now your shitting on fan speculations, which you guys have done A TON of, is the last straw for me. The film was horrible, riddled with plot holes, and unsatisfying despite dropping plot lines from TFA. I've unsubbed, not that it matters to you, but it certainly cuts the BS out of my life. A bold choice is shorthand for= I guess it's good?

Wow. Is Ellis high? That rant blaming fans for their disappointment with the movie. Wtf. Rocha and Harloff's rebuttal about TFA setting up those questions in the first place is spot on. And the way the movie gave us these non-answers felt like a middle finger to a lot of people regardless of the filmmakers intent. Mark, its no one else's fault that you got too overhyped at your premiere that you keep telling everybody you went to ad nauseum.

Couldn’t disagree with Mark Ellis more. The saber, Rey’s past and snoke were all built with mystery in the force awakens and the contrast is so stark because the change of directors and their visions.

Normally, I disagree with Kristian and side with Mark on things, but it's vice versa on this video. Mark is being extremely condescending to the general audience.

We heard none of these excuses for Batman versus Superman or Justice league I guess we Make excuses for only the things we like

Thank you rocha for your comments at 6 minutes. Marks follow up is ridiculous we literally see a ship flying away from rey and she's crying in her flashback scene in TFA. Maz comment who's the girl to han and it cuts away teasing us. JJ set up options for why she was left, who by etc but ep 8 ignored this entirely. She didn't need to have jedi parents but give us something to go on not just they're nobody. Why didn't the parents just put her into adoption on their own world? Why are the parents or someone else flying her to a desert planet where as we know from previous films are where jedi have hidden powerful children away from harm or the dark side? It's a 2 year cock tease and we got it thrown in our face. Similar with snoke too. I'm not holding out hope to have anything answered in 9 after 8 I just hope JJ appreciates how much people want to see development of what he set up in TFA

I love this channel, but seriously, how can you guys talk about fan theories being a problem when this must make up 25-50% of your content!?

Mark my words, everyone trying their hardest to defend this movie are all going to be quietly admitting how flawed it is a year from now.

The prequels also got A rated scores and these guys crap on the prequels every chance they get.

Justice League gets bad reviews but high audience score: people are fanboys who like bad movies. Star Wars gets good reviews but low audience score: there's a minority that's spamming multiple accounts to make the movie look bad. Did no one sat down and actually thought for a second.. that critics aren't the voice of truth? And that people have different opinions?

'I pretty much fundamentally disagree with every choice you've made for this character." Mark Hamill. I guess he's a bot to

I agree with most of these comments. If you are a fan of the series this film does not fit! It may be well crafted and executed but you can’t ignore the direction and story seeds of the last film and expect it to work. It sounds like many film critics are going out of their way to praise this one.

My God. It’s not about the fucking expectations. It’s about the plot and congruency. All i wanted was a good story that makes sense. 1. The hyperdrive ram thing. That is not how hyperdrives work, coz if it did, space dust would destroy any ship that goes FTL (faster than lightspeed). This undermines all the previous movies 1-6. 2. Force ghosts can physically affect the world. At worst, Qui Gon would have turned all poltergeist and summoned lightning on empire bases. At best, in ep 9, yoda can zap whoever hell he wants. (Kylo ren). Speaking of which, why hasn’t yoda zapped anyone else? 3. How the fuck did Finn drag an unconscious Rose back to safety on Crait. He had no transport and were in range of 4 AT-ATs 4. Leia Poppins. This undermines all the past Jedi deaths by vacuum. Also, she opened the airlock and no explosive decompression. Really? My common sense in tingling. 5. Luke’s characterisation doesn’t make sense. 6. The 1st Order ships had enough fuel to do a microjump to catch up to resistance ships at the beginning. So wtf. Don’t forget the arc of the dreadnaught super canons in the absence of gravity. 7. Finn sure regrows his spine or ribs quickly after Kylo sliced open his back like a Tauntaun. 8. Vice Admiral Holdo kept her crew in the dark, leading to a half assed mutiny. It’s called a briefing! She had ro brief her crew eventually. 9. 1 X-wing vs Dreadnought’s surface cannons. Really? At least try to make it believable. Surface cannons don’t have energy shielding?

8:25 .... it’s on the fans?! Fans who watch your show? Fans who spend money on tickets! I think our opinions are somewhat valid.

Dude!!!! Luke went out like a bitch!!! The "Main" Hero of the original trilogy!!! Am I taking crazy pills!!!!

Collider you should be appreciative to Kristiain and Rocha; namely them being more level headed and understanding. As for Perri and Mark you two have NO sense of nuance and are allowing your cognitive bias blind you. This movie is movie is divisive. It is not the fans fault for speculating when LF and JJ Abrams created that environment. It is like telling a child not to drink from a water fountain when that fountain was purposely put there for people to drink. It’s stupid.

"It's not the movies fault, it's the fans fault for liking it so much. Why can't they just not care and then the movie would be great." Mark, Perry, please feel free to STFU, you can't blame the fans for being disappointed that they decided to disregard a lot of the exciting questions force awakens set up.

Yes, Mark, the film did tell us to speculate about Rey and Snoke and everything else. Its called a set up for the next movie. And we got shit smeared on the screen for it.

And yeah....Cinema Score is the reference *eyes rolling* : DADDY'S HOME 2 => A - TYLER PERRY'S BOO 2! A MADEA HALLOWEEN => A - BATMAN FOREVER => A - IRON MAN 2 => A SAN ANDREAS => A - X-MEN APOCALYPSE => A - X-MEN THE LAST STADN => A - ... ... Yeah....right.

I'm suprised at Mark Ellis saying that fans are annoyed the direction the movie took and they shouldn't speculate so much. Firstly, speculation is your career. Secondly, this film was incredibly political and went out of its way to destroy George Lucas' Star Wars Mythology and bring in a version which kills off the old jedi 'religion' and ushers in a completely new religion. Rian J purposely humilated and destroyed Luke's character and he did it for a reason, Yoda destroying the tree, done for a reason, Rey not needing training but being more powerful than Yoda, done on purpose. Kylo Ren and Rey getting together despite Ren killing Han Solo like a few days before. The movie is political Reconstructionism that purposely flips the bird to the old star wars, and ushers in a new postmodern, no light no dark no morals no good no evil pile of garbage. His view that 'everyone can use the force' is polar opposite to the Skywalker trilogy. I only hope JJ doesn't agree and Ren is redeemed. Who knows, there seems no continuity to these Disney films whatsoever.

Buy guys, sorry I just can't... Just can't. I was watching you from phase one. Can't anymore.. Very sad. Problem is not in fact you liked it, problem in way you explaining your position. Listen to what elis is saying here - this is problem. You are a joke Mark. But you are right, listening to you is like listening to 12 year old

This comment section says it all. TLJ failed in the eyes of a majority of Star Wars fans. Just accept it.

Absolutely no Mark ?! RJ also made Luke ask Rey “who are you?” Multiple times. We didn’t make that up? JJ set it up and we were looking for pay off

"Do not let a number tell you how you felt about a movie, let Di$ney do it."

The fan score is accurate. Don’t dismiss it...that’s why Trump is president.

CinemaScore has a grade of “A-“ for each of the prequels. Does that mean that those movies were the victims of trolling by audiences AND critics on Rotten Tomatoes too? I doubt it.

Amazing that Collider can't have a discussion with someone who hated the movie and can clearly discuss their critiques. Everyone on Collider says at worst it's good. I hated this movie. It's so insulting to the lore and disrespectful to the classic characters by disregarding them for the new paper thin characters. Awful.

It’s like Rian Johnson didn’t even watch the Force Awakens

This is so disappointing. These guys have no objectivity, except Rocha. The anger with the movies is that there is no continuity from the Force Awakens. One thing that bugs me is the map to Luke Skywalker. Why the emphasis on the map in TFA if he doesn't want to be found in TLJ. Done wiith these guy. Unsubscribe.

Man. ROCHA is laying down truth on Skywalker and Snoke! 💪🏼😎👍🏼

I love how when it's Star Wars, scores are thrown out the window lol

Yeah, great way to start out a "facts" portion of the discussion by theorizing about bots being to blame for so much negative backlash! So far I'm only finding about one in 10 who thought the movie was "good". Not awesome! Not fantastic! Just good. I walked out telling my self, and others, it was good. Just like a kid who has just taken a bad fall crashing their bike keeps repeating to themselves, "I'm good. I'm good. It's OK," only to realize afterwards it's not OK! Looks like there will be even more films to ignore in the "Star Wars" universe alongside the Prequels.

Few years later the cast validated the fans who shit on the trilogy lol my god it has been amazing

DEAR COLLIDER HOSTS & PANELISTS: I have a request. If it is at all possible, could you please do a video where you invite panelists who have totally opposite opinions of THE LAST JEDI? I would love to see a live panel film discussion with people who love this film together with people who hate this film. I am curious if it will be a 100% reflection of the comments section. Thanks!

RIP Admiral Ackbar. This movie did him wrong.

Man I used to love collides star wars content. Can't believe you guys are shilling for Disney so hard and won't even admit it or at the very least just not say that because passionate fans gave this a low score. You call yourselves passionate fans and obviously kristian and rocha want to be tougher on the movie but they can't for whatever reason.

"The point is that it is a movie, and the idea of being able to accept somebody who has a different opinion than you, that needs to start happening more. Because the idea of someone taking away something that someone else loves, the amount of people out there who are basically trying to convince people who enjoyed this movie not love it as much and not to have something they appreciate in their lives, that is upsetting and that is just flat-out wrong, no matter what side of the line you fall on." The irony! Where were those words of wisdom when the prequels and George Lucas were being bashed and heavily attacked during those nearly 20 years? -_-

Mark "I don't want to lose my red carpet SW tickets" Ellis

Isn’t it kind of biased to say you should judge the movie on its 2nd+ viewing, what other movie would you do that? Did people watch BvS or suicide squad twice before saying it was shit?

Lol, "don't speculate you'll be disappointed." follow by "hey guys we got some more theories to watch here"

Starting to get into Gamer Gate territory. Questioning the users and not the reviewers is a problem.

What will forever piss me off with Rey being nobody is that the force awakens literally had the whole "who are you" trailer with Maz Kanata and even Maz asking Han in the film "who's the girl?" Han is about to answer but then they cut away to another scene. And that's just a few examples of how TFA constantly teases that question. I never gave a fuck until TFA teased it soooo many times. Not the fans fault.

I have never seen a stronger push from critics and the entire film writing circuit to try to discredit people who don't like a movie. It's a little disturbing.

this new trilogy is garbage

That door swings both ways. Thanks Mr Rocha. People with subjective views about art should not make objective labels toward people who disagree with their interpretation.

The takeaway from this video is all opinions are valid as long as they align with Mark Ellis's. There, just saved you 26 minutes of your life. Merry Christmas.

I think Collider doesn't want their Disney credentials revoked by defending Last Jedi. Yes you can have opinions but when you're privileged to see the movie first we who watch your channel are looking for honest criticisms not some bloated up reviews to get likes. Last Jedi was scattered all over the place with no flow or continuity. Phasma, Benito Torres, Snoke should've just been cameos or not in the movie at all. Johnson's bold moves backfired and now Abrams will take it another direction. Sorry but this was not the Star Wars movie we were expecting

No Mark... The problem wasn't fans making up theories for no reason in their minds about what was going to happen in the new movie. The last movie strategically set up these plot points for them to speculate on. It wasn't a bunch of crap they were pulling out of thin air like you make it sound. The director completely neglected so many plot points from the last movie or quite frankly,just shit all over them and made them nothing and meaningless. The fans have every reason to be extremely disappointed,and quite frankly.angry at this decision.

Rocha was on fire in this vid! Rocha hits the nail on the head and perfectly explains several of the reasons why die-hards like myself were unhappy with TLJ. Oh and FU Mark you hypocrite! As others have pointed out in these comments, you yourself have speculated in the past, so STFU! So disappointed with your comments! Since when did you turn to the dark side?! And also Mark, don't blame us for speculating as that was clearly the intention of the TFA!...To get fans to speculate!!! I just don't get why else they'd have the build-up they did with certain plot points in TFA?! Some of those elements in TFA were a complete tease into TLJ only to be completely abandoned without an afterthought in TLJ. Those elements were major parts of the story arc with terrible to no resolution! It felt like TFA was foreplay and sex up to the point of orgasm and then TLJ is this big, "FU! You can finish on your own, I now have a headache!" TFA and TLJ did not flow well together at all for me. And the reason why, I feel, was the difference in Abram's and Johnson's vision of what the new trilogy is supposed to be. The story's flow was clearly altered between the two movies and they just don't seem to connect for me. And this I believe is part of the problem when you have two different directors crossing paths in a trilogy: one's vision is not necessarily the other's! And here, the two directors clearly had different visions! This was much of the same problem with Justice League as well! Even though TFA was a rehash of ANH, I liked TFA. I liked the elements they teased us about in TFA. What I didn't like is how they completely abandoned those elements in TLJ. Mark, maybe you like blue balls along with your blue milk, but I, however, do not! Finally, Luke Skywalker is one of the most iconic characters in all of fiction IMHO! And that's the way you kill him off?!!! FU Rian Johnson! FU!

This is hilarious. The people here at collider don't like phantom menace and they're ok low audience score. However when they like The last jedi it HAS to be bots hating the movie. Whatever, liking this movie is the safe thing to do. JJ created something and Rain didn't continue it. In fact this movie felt like a huge end.

YOU GUYS HAVE DONE FAN THEORY VIDEOS ON THE FORCE AWAKENS!!!!

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Rocha was spot on, with every single thing he said.