god I love the: "they couldn't have found someone with Harrison Ford's charisma, it's impossible, nobody -" "Brendan Fraser" "oh I would have liked that"
1999 Brendan Fraser was awesome. But if he did Phantom Nenace he wouldn't have done The Mummy and nothing he would have done in Phantom Menace would have been as great or iconic as his performance in The Mummy.
When Nick Mason hates something, it’s powerful. It’s like watching 1989 Michael Jordan make the shot in Game 5 against Cleveland. I just feel inspired.
🎉😢😢😢😢😂😢😢😢😢 I’m so tired of 🥱 this being the worst feeling thing ever to to be see you again in the my my my and your my my brothers and brothers in the future I hope you
The prequels in a nutshell. "If you were just nice to him, he wouldn't have killed you all. And you know what? I'm glad he did. Quite frankly, I'm glad."
Anakin was clearly going to do anything in his power to try and stop Padmé from dying, and the only way was to help Palpatine become emperor. The Jedi council could've made him a Master Jedi and he still would've joined the Dark side in the end. Seeing his mother die almost killed him, he wasn't going to let that happen to Padmé. But I wouldn't have to explain this if you had simply watched the films and paid attention to more than the shiny light sabers and " pew pew" action sequences but then again most prequal haters seem to be filmographically illiterate and need everything spelled out for them. Or maybe you've suffered an unfortunate brain injury which has crippled your memory, in which case I apologize and wish you a speedy recovery.
@@BoleDaPole Damn man. I wouldn't be talking shit about "needing things spelled out for you" when you're defending "Tell Don't Show: The Movie." And it seems like even after all that, you still didn't get it. Because no, if the Jedi council hadn't been a bunch of arrogant assholes, Anakin wouldn't have turned to the dark side. That's not a "hater" theory, that's literally a major point of this trilogy which has been emphasized in ancillary material like The Clone Wars tv series. Anakin's mistrust in the council and his disillusionment with the Jedi order is why he wasn't very conflicted in the end about purging them to save Padme. Again, the movie literally spells this out for you: Anakin: "I should have known the Jedi were plotting to take over." Obi-Wan: "Anakin, Chancellor Palpatine is evil." Anakin: "From my point of view the Jedi are evil." Obi-Wan: "Well then you are lost." So it seems like you can't understand anything even when the movie actually is spelling things out for you. That's pretty impressive.
I’ve been watching people talk about the Star Wars Prequels on the internet and outside of it for years and at this point it feels impossible to say something that hasn’t been said before but the guys were able to keep it fresh alongside the great work from the editors Really excited to see the next two Caravan of Garbage on the other two films
Genuinely same but still these guys manage to do some things I haven’t heard. I think that they aren’t the biggest Star Wars Guys is what makes this as fresh as it is
My thoughts exactly. They always keep things fresh. I haven’t really thought about that analysis of Duel of the Fates, so that was interesting for me. Obviously I know that Kenobi didn’t want to train Anakin, but thinking that the duel itself changed everything is cool.
Sure , it's easy to jump on the prequal hate bandwagon, but it makes you look like an idiot considering most of these " criticisms" are easily rebuttled and can be explained by simply paying attention to the films.. but if that's too much for you then you can find any one of the hundreds of videos defending the prequals and see just how idiotic this hate bandwagon has become.
@@BoleDaPole Yeah man Jar Jar’s complex humor really went over people’s head back in the 90’s. I’m glad we can finally understand it’s amazing writing for what it is.
@@davidbowles7281 no, people born in the 90s just grew up watching these films. They were made with us in mind so we liked them growing up. The clone wars is for new, younger kids. They weren’t born when these films came out. Having watched the clone wars as an adult, it’s pretty shit too tbh. Great world building and universe, but they haven’t made any good content in decades. RO was decent, mando was okay series 1, but the rest is shockingly bad.
This may be controversial but I'm gonna say it. of all the 12 Star Wars feature films this one is definitely and without a shadow of a doubt one of them.
Just wanted to thank you guys for making this. My GF and I took about an hour and a half to watch the whole thing because we kept having to stop to discuss the things you brought up, and to laugh at some of the jokes, too. This was a great discussion, and we're looking forward to the next one.
The editing of different takes from different characters in the same shot was a crazy concept and probably took years off the editors lives from stress. It's now a very common thing. David Fincher does it in almost every scene.
@@DaviniaHill your incorrect. He pastes different takes together. If he likes a line reading in one take, but not the other actors performance he will digitally manipulate the frame. He has been working digitally for years. These are tools and tricks he learned directly from George off of these movies.
Not quite the same thing but I love hiding cuts to seamlessly use the first part of one performance and the second part of another. It’s incredibly easy and effective and people never notice.
Another layer to the duel of fates thing. Anakin called Obi-Wan his father. Obi called him his brother. They wanted different things from the relationship. And that lack of a father figure, what Qui-Gon would have provided him, was a role filled by Palpatine. Allowing him to he groomed to the Dark side
@@luiscedeno7856 Even deeper: Ani and Qui-Gon both disliked the council and the othrodox Jedi ways, Obi-Wan was a loyalist who ended up on the council He would of justified Ani's doubts and helped his reconcile them with his faith in the Jedi teachings, not just given him shit like Obi-Wan did. He'd feel less afraid to speak up about things and ask his master for help. Like when he got a girl pregnant was having visions of her dying and had no idea what to do
This is one of the best CoG in a while. I feel like my generation (I'm 40) heard about this movie for ever and ever and it didn't feel like there was much else to say. However, you guys totally kept me engaged the entire time with new fun information and your terrific chemistry with each other. Can't wait to see the next two.
Holy shit! I always feel like I'm the oldest guy the audience of most channels I frequent so it's good to see I'm not alone out here lol. I'm 38, and I feel like you're right about people hearing about this movie without knowing much about it. While I do agree this was a great episode of CoG, I have to say I feel like each episode they do is fantastic. I reckon it depends on what you look for or what aspects you most enjoy/find interesting, but for me I think the energy overall makes this one of the podcasts I most look forward to seeing. The editing is fantastic and as you said, the chemistry of the two gentlemen makes all their interplay a treat. Gotta say, I dig your tasteful thumbnail pic. An inspired choice!
@@DanArnets1492 We can only hope to asipre to live in the shadow of one so great as Mister Plinkett. Plinkett's vids are some of the all-time greatest ever put up on RU-vid, but they are also lengthy as hell that probably took a great deal of time to research and produce. These guys make weekly (or bi-weekly) podcasts with different goals, so I feel like comparing the two, or comparing Plinkett to anyone really, does the other party a kind of diservice, ya know?
I still think the greatest plot-hole of all time, which was pointed out brilliantly in "How it Should Have Ended" was the moment at that scene in the Senate where Amidala just finished accusing the Trade Federation of invasion, their representatives object by saying "there's no proof." At that moment, why wasn't she like "Uh, wtf are you talking about? There's a ton of proof, including an eyewitness account from the two Jedi you specifically sent to Naboo to settle this whole thing." I remember seeing this movie when I was 10, and even as a kid I was like "Uh, wait. Where are Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan? Shouldn't they be here for this?"
@@WreckageBrother-rd5zf They were secretly dispatched there so no one would know they were coming. Once they had already gone there and gotten the information, what possible reason was there for them to not come forward publicly before the Senate and announce what they saw? Everyone knows who the Jedi are. It's not like they were trying to keep the Order secret...
22:18 what finally made Obi-Wan a Jedi Knight was the fight with Maul. The Council heard about his duel and went “damn. That’s pretty impressive. We’re gonna treat that fight as a Jedi trial and you passed. Time to cut your braid and develop a hairstyle!”
You know... that trivia about 'Anakin's Soul' makes so much sense. And explains Obi Wan's pain so well, because he clearly would have realised what happened later.
I think that’s especially true when, in Rebels, he kills Maul and holds him and he’s like “the soul of this next kid truly needs me to care and watch out for him”
When they started to talk about that and then got sidetracked talking about the characters' weird accents, I was horrified that they would forget about it and move on. I was glad to hear that explanation.
I think Mason sums up what I think about Phantom Menace perfectly in his build up and tear down of the film at the beginning of the video. This is why I love the guy. I like you too James. I don't want you to feel left out.
I agree so hard right now I could fuckini' snap in two! I enjoy long content on RU-vid and have watched a few videos that were up to 7 hours in length. When something is great it's always nice to have more of it! And this channel makes such amazing, hilarious stuff that just makes the time fly by! Like with this vid, I swear it did not feel like 36 minutes had passed.
My reaction as a 17-year-old seeing this on opening night was basically “there wasn’t enough Obi-Wan” and I still think simply replacing Jar Jar with Obi-Wan during the Tatooine scenes would have significantly improved it for me. Also, they shouldn’t have killed Darth Maul. What a waste of a good villain.
Anakin was easily the most valuable “thing” Watto owned… never mind the financial implications of him accepting worthless Republic Credits from Qui-Gon or getting robbed of the highly specific hyperdrive they needed… the next time we see him in Episode 2 Watto is absolutely destitute from having lost the free labor of Anakin Skywalker.
16:59 I think the reason why they gave the role to Qui-Gon instead of Obi-Wan is so that Anakin can get a chance to bond with Qui-Gon as a potential father figure, just for that to get stripped from him in the duel of the fates. Anakin really needed a father in Qui-Gon but instead Obi-Wan clearly only saw him as a brother, as he says in Revenge of the Sith
True, but I don’t think Qui-Gon needed to be arguably the main protagonist of this movie. He’s the only Star Wars character who is the protagonist of a film, but is also the mentor figure (ever other character is a young adult: Luke, Ep. II & III Anakin, Rey, Jyn, and young Han). I do agree that having him be a father figure to Anakin then having him die at the end forcing Obi-Wan to take him in is a good idea, but compared to Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan isn’t really that developed in TPM and has way less screen time than him. Which is weird considering he’s one of the main core characters for this trilogy while Qui-Gon was only gonna stick around for one movie. I think Anakin and Obi-Wan only say like 1 or 2 lines to each other in this movie, which is kinda silly given that their relationship is supposed to be part of the core of this trilogy.
It's pretty obvious liam is a major star and you dont have a major star not be in much of the movie..he is the star! They needed a big star to bring people in liam was far bigger than ewan McGregor at.this time and it shows as liam is brilliant actor and saves this dull movie from being terrible! Ewans acting here was pretty wooden
Aw man, as much as I like Qui-gon I kinda love the sound of a film where Obi-wan is out on his first mission alone, and it goes pear-shaped, and he's just floundering around teaming up with anyone who'll take him in and doing whatever it takes to get home. And hell, it'd be a great film for a new generation, with a solid trio of young people (Obi-wan, Anakin, and Padme), each with their own personal stuff to overcome.
Yeah you're not wrong. I wouldn't be surprised if one reason was because in the opening scene, they need people talking to each other to talk exposition
I agree. I also think there seems to be some subtext in the final encounter in Episode 3 where Anakin thinks she's betrayed him. I got the sense he thought maybe Obi-Wan was banging his wife or something. Just in his delusional rage. That might've cut deeper and had more impact if that trio had been the three of them from the start. Would also make that whole moment a lot more full circle and devastating.
@@JordanMgordan It's not about them banging it's that Anakin thinks she is part of some plot to stop him taking over and that she has brought Obi-Wan there to kill him. That's a slightly bigger betrayal than a bit of side action.
@@dansharp2860 Oh definitely, that's the primary motivator there. But I still thought that there was at least a slight hint of suspicion in Anakin's hurt at that moment. Like at that moment he's so drunk and arrogant on his new power that he's absolutely stung by the fact that she would not be 100% on his side, especially when he's done everything up to that point FOR her. "Liar! You're with HIM. You brought him here to kill me!" And I think just that slight implication might've been amplified if they'd been some kind of tight-knit trio from the start.
The worst part is that Anakin getting separated from his mom wasn’t powerful, and was only brought up in a meaningful way once Anakin was an adult. Edit: I don’t think I made myself clear. This comment was in response to them taking about Anakin being a child. George casted a kid because he thought the emotional weight of the decision would be heavier for a child. I don’t think it was a good decisions, and aging Anakin up even 3-4 years would have made a world of difference
@@LorenzoDoesntExist I don't really agree. The fact that it wasn't addressed in Episode 1 in a dramatic way doesn't make it a setup, and the "payoff" that happens in Episode 2 doesn't have the same impact because of this lack of proper setup. It should have had more emotional punch than was depicted in this movie.
@@TerminalRequiem Even the original comment agrees it was brought up in a meaningful way. If the emotional punch didn't work for you, that's just your response to it.
@@LorenzoDoesntExist The emotional punch doesn’t work for people because Anakin and Shmi were barely given any time to interact in TPM. The movie relies on the audience filling in the parent and child relationship gap while putting in almost no effort to actually show it. Not to mention, Shmi is pretty poorly characterized anyway.
Literally anything, from the Phantom Menace to Frog Fractions 4, could have been the topic of this video and would not have been shocking at this point.
Coincidentally, Joseph Fiennes has portrayed Michael Jackson, however unflatteringly. Also to the argument of many who believe miscasting a white man as Michael Jackson was wrong.
Anakin should’ve been 12 or 13. The romance between Anakin and Padme will eventually destroy the galaxy, but in this movie the bond is maternal. The idea of romance is just icky. The trauma of being pulled away from his mother would’ve worked, a tween/young teen might front that they are okay on their own, but they’re not
I think it being maternal is very deliberate. Even as fully grown adults Padme “takes care” of him in almost a motherly way. Anakin loses his mom, and seeks the guidance and peace she delivered, through Padme. This is quite common in the real world, and I don’t believe we’re meant to view their romance as “healthy”. Perhaps it coming across a bit icky is intentional. Anakin is hardly the first fictional character to have an Oedipus complex.
Dammit. I’m not a Star Wars fan but this video really makes me appreciate the detail and effort that went into the series while also highlighting where the major shortcomings popped up.
21:00 so on point. Never even thought of it that way. The Jedi council is completely unreasonable. George didn’t make it obvious enough that the Jedi were a decaying org. They should have added a conversation between qui gon and obi wan where he’s complaining about the Jedi
The concept of the Jedi being a decaying organization really has been retroactively pushed into people's consciousness thanks to The Clone Wars, but rewatching the prequels, they honestly don't even touch on it until ROTS, and even then, it's really half-assed by that point. I think it's something Lucas sort of had in the back of his head sub-consciously but hadn't been able to really bring it to the forefront of his mind yet. Each of the prequels desperately needed to have like three or four more drafts with proper feedback from other writers. There's something really good in there but it's buried so far underneath a tangled mess.
@@hdns4 Pretty much how I feel about the prequels. Say what you want about them but the whole ‘politics in space’ stuff is so cool as a concept, just sadly poorly executed. Space politics is fucking cool, but somehow they made it tedious and dull, and the Jedi council definitely needed to be expanded upon in terms of understanding what it actually is they do, and how & why they are in decline. The central theme is Anakin will ‘bring balance to the force’, which he actually does when he destroys the council, but these themes go over most people’s heads as it’s not expanded upon enough. Really is a great shame. The world building is also great, but again, I’d would’ve loved to see even more of these types of things in this trilogy
That George Lucas wrote this without a writer's room reigning him in really explains a lot, especially with the dialog. On a recent rewatch I was struck by hearing kids shout the word "yippee" like 6 times in the span of 20-30 minutes, and I remember wondering how this got past even one additional set of eyes on it. Now I know. Oh well, the whole of Star Wars has always been greater than the sum of it's parts.
That’s is by far the most useless complaint I’ve ever heard of the movie. The dialogue wasn’t even bad, significant improvement from the original trilogy at least. The dialogue in those movies was so deadpan or robotic
13:15 We literally went through this all over again quite recently, when Kelly Marie Tran and Daisy Ridley decided to leave Twitter from the abuse they were getting. Star Wars fans haven't learnt shit. Some of the most toxic people on the internet you can come across, and all for mostly poor to average films outside of the originals.
Yup , the prequal haters spewed so much toxic venom at an 8 year old boy that he grew up with deep emotional pain for most of his teenage and young adult years. And all Jake Lloyd did was follow George Lucas' direction. Then Hayden Christiansen got it, but thankfully he was older and could handle the criticisms.
I love how Mason did that 180 from praise of the movies production and technical achievement to then go with that being said I definitively hate this film. I couldn't stop laughing and that's why I love Caravan of Garbage.
It's a very apt description of how many feel about the Prequels as films, honestly. Yes, of course, they pioneered a lot of new technology in cinema, and should be commended for that. But they're also poorly written, poorly acted, and poorly directed big messes of movies, and should be rightly criticised for that also. Conceptually fascinating, poorly executed on almost every level. That's the Prequels.
Despite the technical achievement, I find it visually offputting. Ugly colors, too evenly lit, bland frame composition. To fix it you'd have to reshoot it.
@@jimjam7928 I can see why people hate the first two they're not exactly my favourites either, but revenge of the sith I loved and it's my second favourite star wars movie
Mason’s hatred for this film honestly surprised me. He’s such a chill guy, so seeing him react so intensely genuinely threw me for a loop! Also: 7:17 Also I think James nailed it on the head when it came to Star Wars and politics.
I still disagree on certain points. I can (begrudgingly) accept that maybe George was doing more than using inspiration for stuff. But the Sequels don't even use Allegories, they just blatantly state stuff in-universe (which don't even get me started on how nonsensical some of it is), and it's painfully obvious that they're really just mouth-piecing their IRL views nearly ad verbatim.
@@maxxor-overworldhero6730 there is a difference between “in-universe political drama” and “real life politics inserted into the universe”. The latter is what people are complaining about.
Well George was very clear that he saw the empire as the US military and the rebels as the Vietnamese. He has been so openly against the US government’s actions for his entire life. I know to uneducated Americans that’s treason then, but to level headed individuals, it’s a sane mindset. The US is no paragon of goodness. You just grew up in (post) Cold War America. Propaganda is your favourite meal. The Russians Chinese and Koreans think the same about their country.
Replacing Qui-Gon with Obi-Wan in the first 2/3 of the movie would actually make this a far better movie. As a kid I would get all of the characters in the prequels mixed up constantly and I don't think it helps that there is never a clear focus on a single character throughout an entire movie.
This is supposed to be the story of Anakin Skywalker, but he is hardly ever the focus of this film. He's just a kid, so he cant do anything. All he can do is follow the grown-ups around like a lost puppy, looking vaguely confused or just plain wooden.
Havnt watched the vid yet so not sure if they mentioned this… but we don’t even learn qui gons name until half way through the movie when he introduces himself to Shmi… which is mental!
@@joshhunt4146 Red Letter Media goes into some detail about Qui-Gon and his questionable morals. With all the trickery he has to resort to in order to get what he wants, he might as well just knock Watto unconscious and steal whatever parts he needs.
I think it's because he was supposed to be a secret lord of the sith, ever seen the Darth jar jar theory? Basically a counter part to Yoda, pitty George didn't see it through
That last point pretty much sums up the whole movie, and it's why it's called Duel of the Fates. It's a duel that will forever steer Anakin into the path he's headed towards
I think the duel of the fates thing perfectly demonstrates my opinion on the prequels and why they're so bad but people online love them so much. They're good movies on paper. The plot and ideas in the movie are interesting, but the execution is just not there. The idea of duel of the fates is really cool, and if you read a plot summary or a wiki page about it, it seems like an awesome movie, but the issue is the direction and the editing and the moment to moment dialogue just does not pull the idea off at all. the idea of a relationship of "we work as brothers and friends but I don't know enough to teach you" is too nuanced to work with the writing in these movies. That's why I think so many people like these movies, because all they do is talk about the movies, they rarely sit down beginning to end and watch the movies without interruptions.
I was in hs when this movie was released, and the theater on opening night was one of the most joyful, excited, happy atmospheres I've ever been in with a big group of people. Strangers dressed in various character costumes reenacted scenes while were queued up waiting to go into the theater, and others staged lightsaber battles in the aisles as we waited for the movie to start. The roar that went up when that first note of the score played was defeaning--people gave the movie a standing ovation before it even started...and it's probably good they did, because it was an entirely different crowd that left when it was over. People weren't unhappy or angry by any means, I wouldn't even say they were disappointed yet. Mostly, everyone just seemed confused. There had been a new Star Wars film, the first one released in 30 years, and it had had some great moments like the lightsaber duel, but for some reason the audience who had just seen it felt unsatisfied, and at least with the fans who cared enough to see it on opening night, this was an extremely confusing feeling. We were totally expecting the movie to kick ass, and it totally didn't, and we didn't know how to process that. For a day or two, I think most people tried to tell themselves the movie was good, but eventually someone would say, "yeah but jar jar was fucking annoying," or "the kid who played anakin was fucking annoying," or "the dialog in this movie was even worse than the original Star Wars movies," and it would be the catalyst for people to admit the truth: the film is a visually beautiful piece of crap. It managed, for the first time, to make Star Wars boring. Unfortunately, it was a portent of things to come.
Honestly might be the most disappointing movie of all time. Alien 3, Matrix sequels, Batman Forever, Spiderman 3, Hobbit is up there but the cinemas post Star Wars prequels were like a bunch of people dealing with concussion, even as a kid I was aware of it. And I had all this merch we'd bought before the movie even came out that I didn't want to look at!
Mason's heel turn there was textbook, absolute masterclass of how to set up a joke. I think the fact that so many people have 'come around' on this terrible movie is proof that everyone has lost their damn minds over the course of the pandemic
I feel like a good deal of the renewed love for this movie comes from a sort of kneejerk reaction to the sequel trilogy, which is bad in its own right, but not really any worse than this garbage.
@@a.t.3192 the prequels are infinitely worse. They’re just objectively bad movies in every way - script, acting, story, direction, etc. Even from a technical perspective, they looked dated within a few years of release, and only serve as an example of what no to do in terms of visual effects. The sequels aren’t perfect, but they at least work as movies (apart from the last one)
@@philcorrigan5641 I think the prequels are worse in every way aside from the overall story. The narrative works decently as a trilogy, which isn't the case for the sequels. But yeah, pretty much everything else is better in the new ones.
Just like the hate for the prequel trilogy, I feel like it's people who grew up with star wars loving the star wars they grew up with and hating the new stuff for not living up to how star wars felt when they were kids.
@@a.t.3192 Exactly. In a few decades, when the kids who grow up with the sequels are old enough, the consensus will shift on those movies, just like it did with the prequels.
Haven't seen anyone mention it but the fact that the lads accidentally figured out how Watto flies is incredible since toydarians to basically have a big gas bubble in their stomach that make them float!
Nailed it. I skipped school to see this and had a blast. Discussing it after with my friends we realized how much of it we actively disliked, but still wanted to see it again in the theaters. It was confusing.
@@CrowTRobot They had the flavor of Star Wars baked into that movie so perfectly. But at the same time, it was a nightmare. I’ve never seen anything like it.
Yes! That's it exactly! Maul vs Jedi is choreographically awesome to the point where Vader vs Obi-Wan looks totally embarrassing....but then we realize the old scene's emotional weight utterly crushes the new. Pod race is a legit thrilling spectacle and a testament to the potential of lavish CG budget....but it's also hugely overblown, not strictly necessary, and we still hate the absolute crap out of Young Anakin. And so forth.
Just like every conversation I have ever had about this film. It ends with them rewriting it after the fact. It goes to show how much potential the premise had.
I have always thought it was hilarious when people cried about politics being "shoved" into Star Wars, when it was literally always there. People love to ignore also that Lucas didn't want to be beholden to a studio so HE self funded all of the Star Wars films from Empire to Revenge of the Sith. Had Empire not been successful he would have lost everything and he knew he could go to Fox for money but would have had to given up some control..He also paid bonuses everyone who worked on the films after they released.
Absolutely, I REALLY enjoy the prequels but almost in a fully conceptual sense. Cool and poignant themes, and honestly so much hard work, especially in terms of design and prosthetics, put in with a good team and cast but ultimately just didn't really come together like it should have
Yeah but don’t undermine the fact that the prequels have a very strong re-watchability trait to them although not so much the phantom menace I guess. I always find myself binging the prequels annually just because they are pure eye/ear candy even at their weakest and ROTS is just an amazing tragedy
Remember how in the original trilogy there was a subtle undercurrent of droids as a discriminated and dismissed underclass of completely expendable yet oddly sentient servants, right down to the ability to feel pain for some reason? Ever think about how that subtle allegory raised some interesting questions about our relationship with technology, our history of exploitation of our working class all the way back to days of chattel slavery? Then the prequel trilogy removes all that subtlety by just casually having human slaves as a thing that apparently still happens while completely failing to have anything to say about the subject (unlike the way the treatment of droids was in the originals), and was seemingly only included as a plot device the characters had to circumvent. And they only felt the need to circumvent it because Qui Gon wanted Anakin specifically, not because of his value as a human being, or because slavery was wrong, but because he conveniently fulfills a vague prophecy of plot contrivance. And then the odd absence of legal slaves after the rise of the empire raises some troubling questions about whether the only reason slavery seems to have ended in the galaxy is thanks to the Empire? Like the Old Republic and the Jedi were perfectly fine condoning slavery for centuries, then the Empire takes control for one decade and all of a sudden no more slavery. Which side were we supposed to be rooting for again?
Well said. Lucas really should have delegated more with the Prequels like he did with the OG Trilogy. Hire other Directors and other writers, all working TOGETHER, to make it the best movie it can be with Lucas just over seeing it all. But Lucas trying to handle EVERYTHING all by himself just didn't fly. Hence the chopped to bits dialogue, acting, writing, development, and even some design choices. IE: The Gungans look, the roger roger droids, podracing, too much CGI, and possibly even casting choices.
I think the idea is that tattooine isn’t really a part of the republic, just in republic claimed space. Republic money isn’t good there after all. And the empire didn’t end slavery there clearly since Jabba has slaves.
@@andrewmcmillan229 And that would almost make sense, as in the OT, Tatooine was some backwater on the outskirts of the galaxy. Luke even says "Well, if there's a bright center to the universe, you're on the planet that it's farthest from". But the problem is that then in the Prequels, they completely disregard that and put Tatooine directly between Naboo and Coruscant; two extremely important centers of the Republic. They only did this as a plot convenience, with no regard for how little sense it makes for Tatooine to occupy such a strategically valuable location and still be a disregarded backwater by the Republic. For a plot that ostensibly centers on trade routes, this is a pretty strange thing to both include, and then ignore. It's certainly not an insurmountable problem to explain away, but it does show a certain carelessness with the established lore (which is par for the course), and yet another example of things just happening in the plot because the plot needed them to. The prequels needed the protagonists to end up on Tatooine so they could meet Anakin, and this was just the most convenient excuse. As for Jabba still having slaves, he was a crime lord. It makes sense contextually if he engages in morally reprehensible and criminal activity, taking hostages and prisoners and turning them into (sex) slaves, and feeding them to rancors. Watto, on the other hand, was just some average business man, and his ownership of slaves showed it was just a completely normalized thing. Qui Gon certainly isn't perturbed by it. Not to mention the entire slave economy for menial labor doesn't even make sense with the existence of droids.
@@thefunk0130 As far as slaves go you are right that droids are better for menial labor, but slaves can also be used for skilled labor. See the romans using highly educated greek slaves. Obviously Anakin was used for skilled labor as a mechanic, it's certainly also possible his mother also was, we never heard what her duties were.
@@andrewmcmillan229 still doesn't quite make sense as we see droids performing high skilled jobs too. Astromechs seem to be invaluable and versatile mechanics among the myriad other mechanical droids we see, not to mention medical droids, interpreters, various bounty hunters, mercenaries, etc. There are basically almost no jobs shown in the Star Wars universe that we are not shown somewhere or other a droid capable of doing. Except possibly the aforementioned sex slaves.
also to defend qui-gon's role/existence, he was the type of Jedi that SHOULD have been leading the order. also ties back to duel of the fates cuz its not just Anakin, its the fate of the whole order
It’s hard because I saw this for my birthday as a child and at 6 I fucking loved it, especially darth maul. I have very rose colored glasses and still watch it from time to time
I've always said that The Phantom Menace was the "best" of the prequels. Not because it's good, because it's not; but because there was actually some in-depth thought and design concepts. Not all of it worked, but enough did that I can appreciate those elements. TPM was a mix of good ideas done poorly and bad ideas done terribly. The other sequels were entirely bad ideas done terribly.
@@skibot9974 Not the same guy, but for me alot of ROTS is full of trilogy wide payoffs as you'd expect from a long epic, but they spent 3 movies treading water so they carried no narrative weight. Obi-Wan and Anakins duel means nothing because they spend most of the trilogy separated or actively hating eachother. Order 66 is not tragic because we as an audience have no reason to care about any of the Jedi because they were never given any likable character traits. Anakins fall to the dark side is kinda cool, but its hampered by the terrible dialogue. And to top it off, from a production standpoint it just felt so lazy of Lucas' part. The characters are just standing on a greenscreen for 90% of the film and occasionally swinging at eachother. At LEAST in TPM they're on physical sets and performing complex fight choreography.
The true tragedy of this trilogy is that there could have been the *kernel* of a good story buried within this Garbage-fire. An old but ultimately failing democracy that is causing Outer Rim worlds to secede-in increasingly violent and underhand ways (much like the way the Rebel Alliance broke away from the Empire), with a lot of help from Sith interference. A relatively young pilot/Jedi Apprentice who is driven to the Dark side mostly by a desire to bring order to the galaxy, and to end all the death and destruction the secession is causing (but who ultimately ends up causing more harm than good), A noble Jedi Knight who is sadly blind to the flaws in both his apprentice-and friend-Annikan, and the Order to which he belongs. A Jedi Order whose initial refusal to choose a side in the conflict ultimately leads to the Sith becoming dominant, and a Chancellor who is playing both sides against the middle, in order to gain complete control over the galaxy. Oh, and members of the Alderaan political elite (House Organa and their chosen senator, Padme) trying-but failing-to uncover the Sith conspiracy before it reaches fruition-namely the unleashing of the Clone Army against the seperatists on a level that comes close to genocide.
Acknowledging that the prequels are silly and weird and have goofy dialogue and CGI choices, I really do have an enduring love for the prequels. I love the major beats surrounding the Jedi, the deep decay of the order and the stagnation of its leadership cloaked in the a veneer of wisdom, the complacency that comes with being so close to the levers of power with little to no oversight, and the idea that they were so self righteous that they couldn't fathom that "bringing balance to the force" might actually mean that they might have to go I also love the trade federation, banking clan and techno union as villains, this acknowledgement that capitalism requires a parasitic relationship with the state, abusing democratic processes to legitimize their actions and protecting themselves from the reprisals of the people they exploit. But even further than that, exploring a situation where the state that was protecting them becomes so ineffectual that they decided it was more beneficial to secede from the thing wholesale, effectively burning their old host in an attempt to find a new one, and fucking over absolutely everyone in the process in their desire for greater profits But yeah, the actual movies are kinda scuffed. Pretty fun watches though
The only reason people started "coming around" to the GARBAGE PREQUELS let me not minds words, it because Disney started a hardcore campaign to get every and any entertainment media outlet to start writing articles like "rethinking the Star Wars sequels" and "10 reason you should rewatch the Star Wars sequels" Why? Because they BOUGHT THE FRANCHISE and want to reinvigorate it for $$$ The TRASH GARBAGE sequels didn't get better with time or more attention. Disney just tried to gaslight us that they did.
@@sadie9728 Dude I don't know how to tell you this, but these themes, and my love of them, existed way before Disney bought the franchise. As I said, they're incredibly goofy, but I love them for their quirks Also, chill
@@denniscalero9396 As a slight counterpoint, I will die on the hill that auteurism, at the very least, creates more interesting movies. Say what you will about Disney propaganda or whatever, but how often have you seen this type of discussion about the sequels? Sure, a lot of people hate the prequels, but a lot of people also love them, because they're *interesting*, and they're only interesting because some idiot gave George Lucas One Hundred Million Dollars and told him to go bananas, and I love it
@@fritzophrenia3146 But then there's Casablanca, an absolute masterpiece that holds up to this day that was a complete collaboration. Neither approach is better, and a bad film made by an auteur may be interesting, but it's still bad. The only idiot that gave Lucas a 100 mil was Lucas, lol.
Things I love: Duel of Fates. Darth Maul’s look, sound and fight choreography. Natalie Portman. The Naboo Starfighter. Things I didn’t like: everything else.
@@JunFan777 she was a first crush and I got the levitating toy in a happy meal before the movie came out so both are ideosyncrstic and have nothing to do with the movie.
@@ThreadBomb not as realistic fights but it kinda makes sense as the end of an age where they go through complex katas. Kind of like lots of martial arts when they stopped using them in the real world. Yoda ridiculous though.
I recently binged all three of the prequels, and the first two were so abysmal. You'd think that I'd be sick of watching by the third film given I was binging it, but the third was just so much more engaging and fun than the first two that it's incredible. Even after slugging through those two, ROTS was leagues more entertaining and had many more great moments flying by than the first two prequels had. That being said I do like the political explanations the films give, the domino effects leading to the creation of Darth Vader, and the plots/concepts are interesting, but the execution just kills me.
I think it’s a trilogy with heaps of awesome plot points, that when you think about it flow well together and connect well. However like you said they were poorly executed most of the time in the film making side. As a Star Wars fan, I still rewatch and enjoy them. The clone wars definitely helped with this as well. I love the prequel era characters and action
I think majority of the prequel memes came from Episode 3: Do it, Another happy landing, Hello there, Ironic, Have you heard the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise, I am the Senate, It's treason then, Unlimited Power, Execute Order 66, Younglings, I have the high ground, etc...
@@akai1up a few did come from ep 2 for sure but I can't really think of anything from ep 1. Nothing as memorable as "I hate sand", "techno voice man" and "a million more well on the way".
@@joeandrew8752 Ep 1 had "Now this is podracing", "Now there are two of them", and a few others. My favorite from ep 2 is "visible confusion", but I think ep 3 really wins in terms of meme count.
Growing up with the prequels and seeing all the backlash towards them, it's honestly bizarre how they became "memed" for being awful so much that they're now unironically described as "masterpieces". And it's even funnier seeing people's reactions to the new sequel movies mirror the reaction of the prequels when they came out - pretending that they're not cannon saying that they "destroyed" Star Wars, hating the actors, etc. I get the feeling that in 20 years time people will be doing this with the Star Wars sequels. How "good" a movie is for some people is just how they experience it at a certain point in their life.
Yeah kids these days do like the new Star Wars films. But I don’t think they have as big a draw as the prequels because the prequels were so flashy and visually striking. All the crazy aliens and worlds of the prequels is what got kids hooked. The sequels doesn’t have any of that
I always find it weird when adults talk about what kids do or don’t like in Star Wars. 10 years ago I saw lots of adults saying kids didn’t like the prequels because they were boring, but I loved the prequels as a kid. They were more exiting to me than the originals at that age!
@@johntonssen7231 the problem with that I feel is that kids now who'll watch the sequels are probably more exposed to the hatred and wrongness of liking the prequels and will likely not have the ignorance of kids when the prequels were hated. It's a shame because if people can find merit in the prequels than surely another generation could with the sequels
@@CD-603 hmm well as someone with nephews, cousins and an 11 year old brother (I’m late 20s) I haven’t noticed them being bothered by any of that. The girls really like Rey and I love seeing them dress up as her. Really inspiring for me to see the girls want to be her, as I wanted to be anakin (which is hilarious now because anakin was such a bad dude. Now I’d rather be my main man kenobi!) But my brother and nephews seem to like both the prequels and the sequels. There’s more for kids to like with the prequels I feel though. More lightsaber action and cool aliens.
@@johntonssen7231 well I'm happy to read that. I honestly am not a fan of either trilogy but I have a bit more of a soft spot for prequels just because I was young when I watched them and I loved the clone wars. Hopefully the sequels can have the same following although I'd probably be less sympathetic towards them than to the prequels cast because of Disney milking star wars and building brands instead of world's. I do feel that they missed a trick with the new films, and it's twice as bad in my eyes that a group of people making the decisions couldn't do better. I think it would be great if a clone wars level show could improve the sequels for the general audience
This really was exactly what it was intended to be: the future of blockbuster filmmaking. Heavy CG, incredible production design and world building, talented actors doing the best they can with bad dialog, disjointed and boring stories, and against a green screen and towards a gimpsuit/tennisball. Directors more interested in toys and fan service and either no executive oversight or too much.
I remember seeing this in cinemas as a child and being completely oblivious to the fact that Anakin would go on to become Darth Vader, my sisters clued me in on this afterwards and I flat out refused to believe them, it turned into an argument and my parents had to intervene to set me straight on the matter and my little 8yo heart was mortified :'(
Seems that Lucas's intentions worked. You were meant to look at 9-year old Anakin in TPM and think 'how could such an innocent kid turn into an icon of evil?' Of course, many of the fans missed the bloody point and were like 'omg Lucas has ruined Star Wars forever by making Vader a child! I wanted to see him cool and badass , not innocent!!1!1!'
@@onemoreminute0543 100% in my case anyway, I had seen the original trilogy before seeing TPM but when you're that young you don't absorb much past the action scenes and cool lights haha I think if my sisters had not told me, the twist in Revenge of the Sith would have blown my mind o.O imagine seeing the temple scene with no previous knowledge of Anakin becoming Vader o.O
@@robynroyale5823 Oh yeah, that would be chilling. I have seen a few reactions to SW in chronological order on YT and it's always a pleasure seeing their faces drop in ROTS: "Henceforth, you shall be known as......Darth, VADER!" :)
@@onemoreminute0543 I still occasionally get a lil bit emotional over his turn to the dark side. Even though I'm a grown arse adult and SW is complete fiction, a small part of me will always be sad for Anakin's fate :'( 'You were the chosen one! it was said you were to destroy the sith, not join them!' :'( that being said though, very interested to see what happens in the Obi-Wan series and if Vader has a big role to play in that. As sad as I am for Anakin, a fully suited and booted Vader on the war path is always a sight to behold o.O
@@robynroyale5823 Yeah. The whole of ROTS feels like a gutpunch. I know some people say that the prequels aren't exciting as we know what will happen but... that's kind of what makes it so tragic. You know that no matter how hard everyone tries, Anakin will be trapped in the world of evil, Obi-Wan and Yoda will be forced into exile, Padme will die, and the twins will be separated. It's inevitable. I'm cautiously optimistic about the Kenobi series. On the one hand, I can't wait to see Christensen and McGregor return after 17 years to reprise their roles. On the other hand though, I feel that having a duel between Vader and Kenobi between ROTS and ANH kind of diminishes their dramatic reunion in ANH. :)
Always liked this one more then most people because One pretty and two I actually like the story because I inherently love the idea of qui-gon as someone who is not ambitious or unrealistic. He doesn’t care about getting on the council and he knows he can’t save everyone but he is going to do what he believes is right. Also I didn’t realize until I was older but I actually love political maneuvering and even the lead up to pod race were qui-gon is manipulating things to get Anakin is using the culture and politics of this gamble heavy backwater to get what he wants.
The harassment that the actors (who gave George exactly what he asked for, btw) have had to endure is messed up. End of the day, this is George’s baby, and I believe the main problem is that there wasn’t a single person at Lucasfilm that was giving him honest opinions on the story and the very stuffy performances. This is what happens when you are surrounded by yes men. He really should have had someone else direct and write the screenplay. It would be intimidating, but I’m sure they could have found someone that could take this story (which is a good story) and make it into something that would have been a much more enjoyable film. This movie is full of great actors, so we know it’s possible. In the end, this led to The Clone Wars animated series, which is the best thing to come out of the Prequel era. I hope the Disney+ Obi-Wan show will be great and give Ewan, and Hayden as well, a real chance to shine. I’m looking forward to it!
Yeah, the original trilogy worked so well because George had a crew that regularly pushed back on him and the cast constantly ragged on his writing but the prequels didn’t have that and it’s obvious.
@@SuperMookles, how are you supposed to know if what you’re doing is going to be liked or not if no one is being honest with you during the production? Yes, George Lucas is ultimately responsible for everything that was good or bad with the prequel trilogy, but during the original trilogy he had Gary Kurtz, his wife, and others, including the screenwriter, to take his ideas and make them better. It was a collaboration. He didn’t have that during the prequels. He was surrounded by people telling him how great everything was. Was this by choice? Probably, but I find it hard to believe that not a single person pulled him aside before or during production to say, “George, this isn’t very good. It’s too slow. Too stiff. All the political science stuff in an adventure film aimed at kids? You’ve got a great cast here and you haven’t directed a feature in nearly two decades, maybe let someone else do that part, and you edit the final films?” He’s actually very good at that, editing. Most actors that had worked with him said he’s not good with actors. Like I said, the basic story is sound, but maybe he should have just provided the story outline then executive produce the films, like he did with Empire and Jedi. They probably would have been better received.
Having read up on the making of the original films, and also being there when Lucas released the hated "remasters," I get the feeling people were leery about working with Lucas, because he had a reputation as being a total twat who you had to fight with constantly to get him to realise his ideas were stupid.
@@henrychinaski5938 That's exactly the hilarious part my dude. NOBODY hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans themselves. These elitist losers keep telling themselves how the originals are so superior, yet associate half their personality with spewing hate on the internet about the prequels. Trust me, they play the games, they keep rewatching the movies and tv series. "Oh ma gawd 60% of the movies suck yet I will completely devote my time to this universe".. like what? These weirdos are a mystery.
Oh my god, especially after James's start where he's like, "I've not come around completely, but I hate them less," I was really worried this wouldn't be very negative and then Mason comes in swinging. I tried to rewatch this pretty recently and I couldn't get past when you meet Jar Jar. It wasn't Jar Jar that killed it for me, it was already dead. It's just so fucking boring. Even the action is weird and off-kilter and uninteresting. And when it's not action what's going on in the plot is just nothing. I am with Mason 100%. I hated this then and I hate it now.
It's an amazing technical achievement but the writing really sinks it. Mason is 100% right when he says there are things thrown in there just to be in there - not a whole lot actually ties together and there's not a ton of character development. It ends up feeling really inconsequential and unsatisfying for everything that goes on. Plus Maul is barely a villain, he doesn't do anything, and we waste like a full hour doing next to nothing on Tatooine.
The action is off because the heroes are NEVER in danger at least until they face off with Darth Maul those two times. When they fight the droids, they might as well be playing the clean plates of those shots where the actors are swinging at thin air.
You Guys, the kid Grant, who plays young Luke in Obi-wan. I worked with on FNAF and hes the most grounded kid you could ever meet! GREAT Parents and a great kid. plus he is a really good actor too.
Here is the actuall story of the Mace Windu guy on Naboo: That guy at Naboo was Maze Window, not related to Mace Windu at all, not even a Jedi. He was just minding his own bussiness on Coruscant when Palpatine walked up to him and ordered him onto the ship that was going to Naboo. It was not clear if Palpatine knew that he was Mace Windu or not, but Yoda witnessed this and felt some weird darkside energy emanating from Palpatine in that moment and took notice of this. Later on Naboo, as they prepared to leave the ship Palpatine called Maze by his name, ordering him to walk in the back, even behind the aliens, even the long headed one. Yet again Yoda took this into account and therefore told Yaddle about this, both being perplexed over why Mace was told to walk behind them when he in fact outranked most of the people in that conga line, and in rank was the closest to Yoda himself. Maze however did not think much of the happenings at all, on Coruscant he was out for a stroll in his morning robes actually looking for any excuse to get off planet. Maze Window was a simple minded man suffering from either a form of early onset dementia or an extreme lack of sleep so that the symptoms just matched, and he wanted off planet because he was on the run from his caretakers. When Palpatine ordered him to board the ship, he didn't hesitate or even say a word, he just walked aboard. As they later landed on Naboo Maze followed behind, as he was told, and later kept on walking in a direction that seemed like the best one to him. Nobody noticed this, not even Yoda. As they were later lifting that glowing orb thing in celebration Maze Window was nowhere to be seen, but this did catch Yodas attention and he goes to look for him, in the end, finding only his left shoe. However, Yaddle, staying close to Palpatine back at the celebration notice some strange behaviour, first thinking it's signs of darkside powers makes an even more troubling discovery about the Senator. This discovery is later told to Yoda, as he returns back to the celebration with the one shoe of the lost man Maze Window. And it is this discovery about Palpatine that would be what clouds Yodas judgement about the Senator in the later two movies. As Yoda and Mace is informed by Obi-Wan about the Clone army in the second movie, Yoda is quoted as saying "Only a Dark Lord of the Sith knows of our weakness. If informed the senate is, multiply our adversaries will" after Mace Windu suggest that they should tell the senate that the Jedis powers are diminishing. Mace is confused by everything Yoda says on a regular basis and was in this instance as confused as always or even more, as he had no idea what Yoda was actually saying. Mace could never have known the true meaning of Yodas words in that moment because only Yoda and Yaddle knew about the discovery that Yaddle had made that day on Naboo admist the celebrations. The powers of the darkside was a true presence and only grew stronger as Yaddle closed in on the celebrating Palpatine, they had just raised another glowing orb and had their guard down, like there was something in the air that made them all loosen up and relax, laughing and smiling at everything. Yaddle had not been as effected, as she had not raised any orbs herself. She carefully walked, fake mingling with people, steadily getting closer to Palpatine, and then she heard it. Palpatine was spouting a bunch of nonsense about black people all looking the same when someone had asked him why Mace Windu was not at the celebration and that the guy on the ship had not been Mace Windu. Yaddle was asstounded by the news of Palpatine being a racist, maybe even a white supremacist symbol. Yaddle told Yoda everything she had heard and they both were disgusted, but Yoda, not as much as Yaddle would have thought. Yoda was quoted as saying "after all, politician he is". Since that moment Yoda knew that Palpatine was evil, that he looked down on, maybe even hated, people of color. But Yoda could have never imagened just how much hate there was in that man, not just for people of color, but for everything and everyone that was not him. So what happened to the poor man that got left behind on Naboo, tricked by the Dark Lord himself, what happened to Maze Window? He left the celebration and got his foot stuck in some big doo-doo and accidentaly, trying to free himself, pulled his shoe off, falling backwards, tumbling, rolling down a hill, getting covered in dirt. His robes getting all torn and sullied, as he fell all the way down to the swamps of Naboo, outside of the city. He couldn't get back up again so he started walking. He didn't get far as he was already, before all this, so tired, only working at about 40% he decided to take a well earned nap. He suffered from night terrors though, so he was hesitant and didn't really want to fall asleep. The night terrors were caused by visions of what he dreaded could actually be his future, and he would often wake up sweating in his bed. But as he laid down on the swampy dirt, he drifted off to a dreamless night, or day, as it was daytime when he fell asleep. He didn't wake up screaming about "a bigger fish", no, he woke up with a smile. Maze Window would later go for a swim in the lakes of Naboo to wash off all the dirt he had on him from rolling down that incredibly long hill - and Maze Window would never be seen in the Star Wars universe again.
I was 16 when this came out and had recently watched all the special editions when they were in cinemas and was hyped AF. All I remember from after was realising it was the first time I'd ever been disappointed watching a movie.
Same experience. I remember leaving the cinema just confused -- wondering if the movie was actually good somehow, but I had just not understood it. It was maybe a day or so before I really internalised that it was just a bad movie. After growing up with only the original trilogy as context, the idea of the first new Star Wars movie since Jedi had me so hyped.
I actually really like Episode 1. Definitely in my top 5 Star Wars movies. Everyone says Qui-Gon is a terrible character but the more I think about it, he would have been the perfect teacher for Anakin and if he didn't die Anakin would have been just fine. Qui-Gon goes against the council a lot and has little respect for them (they share the same goals but have different methods to achieve them). Obi-Wan was too by-the-book and didn't question any order he was given. Anakin questioned every decision and Obi-Wan was just like "show some respect" whereas Qui-Gon would have taught Anakin how to do things the way he wanted that also fit with the council's goals. The pod-racing scene is an amazing set-piece of special effects and sound design. Holds up really well today. It's not too long, had a good build-up and was really fun. Duel of the Fates (iconic music) and the fight against Darth Maul is still probably the best lightsaber duel in the whole film series. It's far from perfect (Jar Jar and all his scenes are bad, dialogue is awful etc.) but it's the best of the prequel movies and is still pretty exciting despite the boring Trade Federation plot.
Lmao who's everyone? A lot of people love Qui-Gon, as they are always saying he was the perfect Jedi, and would make a better master for Anakin than Obi-Wan.
They made a board game out of the final act of this movie, and yes, you conduct all four aspects of the battle at once. But it's an amazing game. It's definitely a better use if two hours than watching the actual movie.
May I ask how it worked?- There's no videos of it on YT. Like, what are the win/lose conditions? Is this a one player game? Are there dice? I must know, lol
I was a very young child who loved star wars when I first seen this so I've always been lenient with it. I thoroughly love this movie. That being said i never heard that obi-wan was sposed to be the lead instead of Qui-gon and I kinda wish that version existed
The theory is that if Qui Gon had lived he would’ve raised Anakin properly to not murder all the Jedi. I also think that Mace Windu could’ve raised him properly if he wasn’t so dismissive of Anakin the first time they met.
Firstly, Mace Windu would have been a terrible Master for Anakin. He may have been able to keep Anakin farther away from Palpaptine but he clearly never trusted him from day 1. When the Council decided that Obi-Wan would train Anakin only Yoda and Mace Windu still voted no. He didn't even think he should be trained so placing him in his care was probably a bad idea. It's hard to bond when you don't like each other. Second, the theory is a little deeper than that. With Qui-Gon's death Anakin lost a father figure that he could look up to. Yes, Qui-Gon would have trained him better as he was free of the corruption of the Council and understood the Will of the Force better than them who were losing their connection to the Force. It's more than that however, Obi-Wan surviving meant that he would train Anakin, a job he was not ready for but felt obligated to do since he did promise Qui-Gon he would. Obi-Wan became more of an older brother to Anakin leaving that need for a more parental role to be filled by Palpaptine. Paps didn't even need to train Anakin himself which would have been hard since he had just taken over the Senate, not much time to train a new apprentice from scratch. He just sat back and told Anakin what he wanted to hear about what a great Jedi he would be and those emotions you feel are fine in fact really feel them. That also left him free to recruit Dooku and kick off the Clone Wars. This really was the worst outcome.
@@dansharp2860 I agree. I think Mace Windu would keep Anakin on a very short leash at first, but just imagine if Mace had taught Anakin to harness the dark side the way he does. I actually think Windu’s fighting style would suit Anakin really well, and maybe over time after seeing how capable Anakin is he would begin to trust him more. Anakin would probably still be frustrated with the Jedi, but I think it would end in much less bloodshed compared to the outcome we got in the films.
@@Reverse_Hood Well , at the very least they could have helped him to reign in his emotional instabilities and attachments, as that's part of what made him so susceptible to Palpatine It's worth contrasting with Luke's journey in ROTJ. Luke nearly struck down his own father due to his attachment to his sister, but then was willing to selflessly throw away his lightsaber in an act of compassion. It was Luke's compassion, not attachment, that brought his father back to the light :)
@@Reverse_Hood Qui-Gon would have greatly lessened the need Anakin felt for a parental figure in his life that Palpaptine exploited to then have influence over him. Although, I'm not certain the outcome of Jinn/Kenobi/Maul could have ever been different from what it was. What happened was likely the Will of the Force to create the circumstances to bring Balance.
I guess I somehow MISSED the trailers for this movie as a kid, because when I was in the theater and that second blade came out of Darth Maul's lightsaber I LOST MY MIND.
Phantom Menace is full of good ideas that are executed in an incredibly wooden and ineffective fashion (and sometimes, recalling racial stereotypes from his youth.) A big reason why The Clone Wars animated series worked is that Lucas' ideas were filtered through creators with a far better understanding of characters and dialogue.
I don't think they are even good ideas for a Star Wars movie. To do politics, you need a TV show like Babylon 5. The rise of the emperor needs to be 30 hours minimum.
