Dear James and Maso, I liked it better when Ray was a nobody. Because I like the idea that anyone can learn to use the force, like space wizard/monks. Love, Jon
It was never like that though .... Force sensitivity is a rare trait and always has been. It's never been a case of "Everyone can learn to use the force".
@@wesleywelch6090 The issue is that Rey didn't actually learn to use the force she just had it so that undermines the message of anyone who works hard can do something that someone naturally gifted can do.
To me, Rise of Skywalker felt like Abrams had his idea for the sequel trilogy and Last Jedi didn't really change his plans, just alter them, he had to add elements from Last Jedi and squeeze his last two movies into one.
The Subversion's of expectation wasn't the issues i had with last Jedi. They were poor pacing and the whole Kanto silliness. the reveal that Rey wasn't anyone important in Last Jedi was probably my favourite part of that movie as it showed that anyone could be the next hero. You didn't have to be related to a certain blood lineage in order to be someone important which linked into the end with the stable boy forcing the broom showing he has the potential to be the next hero to fight the dark side.
Weird how Robot Chicken accidentally predicted two of the plot points from Rise of Skywalker in their parodies. My Face is on Fire: "If you had made your mind up 5 seconds earlier, we could have ruled the galaxy and maybe I could have gotten laid one more time before I died." Palpatine's Last Moments: "You know, looking back it all makes sense. Dream big, live big, love big... fall to your death down a giant f***ing hole. Now I know, which is exactly 0% of the battle apparently."
I'm pretty much in line with this review. Although, I come out the other end a little more positive than you guys. I'm definitely one of the people who sees Star Wars movies as "comfort food". Overall, I like this trilogy-or more accurately, I like the characters in this trilogy.
My big issue with the film just as someone who really liked The Last Jedi. Was that this film just felt like it was trying on every single level to ignore that film act like it never existed or when they did bring things up from it. The did so only to put it down or retcon away certain things. Like really the only thing they carried over from TLJ to this film was the fact that Rey and Kylo have this connection and can basically interact with each other despite being nowhere near each other. Other then that pretty much everything else was erased like them saying the Holdo Maneuver was only a one in a million thing. Which is utter BS not to hard to point a ship at another ship and go into hyper speed. They could have just said were not about sacrificing lives or that they don't have a ship capable of doing that. They then go back on Rey being a nobody and instead have her be a Palpatine which just had my entire theater laughing at.
As weird as it is to think about, Christopher Nolan was partially inspired to make his first film (Following) by Kevin Smith. Nolan says he didn't know you could make low budget movies like Clerks until then.
@@THOMAS2910able No. Anything over 40 minutes is considered feature length (at least according to the academy). Following was 69 minutes. It would be considered a short film by SAG though.
I agree the Knights of Ren in the movie were poorly handled. At the very least they should have explicitly shown them taking down Chewbacca. Previous movies such as even the Solo movie has given Chewbacca "street cred", when it comes to a fight. So in beating down Chewbacca they become a relatively legitimate threat to Kylo later on.
I don't hate the movie, but that's because I can't really muster up so much passion for this franchise. The best part of the movie was Babo Freak (however you spell it); and while I don't care much for how he came back and how it played out, I do love hearing Palpatine, especially his laugh, and the one line in Vader's voice. I'm also happy they used The Imperial March as much as they did.
I talked spoilers with my friend for hours trying to discuss/explain/excuse the plot. You should do a longer spoiler talk only podcast. Trust me, the movie gets worse the more you talk about it.
Funny how all three in the trilogy are like that. The more you critically think about them, the worse they get. These movies are insulting to anyone with half of a brain let alone Star Wars fans.
Here 3 years later to say in the future: 1. Billionaires BUILT a submarine that went to the Titanic and died on the way 2. Top gun Maverick didn’t bomb and made over a Billion dollars
I'm really glad that james brought up the idea of Fin and Po just being kind and affectionate friends(like james and mason). Too often this is overlooked in present times.
Chewie's medal was the check-iest of check boxes. It just made no sense for Maz to give it to him either. I almost don't care about why she had Luke's lightsaber now...
foolishwolf I mean Leia was holding it when/right before she died. Maz was giving Chewie his friend’s belonging so I thought it made sense and was cute little fan servicey check mark.
I wouldn’t have a problem with Rey being a nobody or the granddaughter of the emperor if it’s was planned out or hinted at properly. If she was a nobody I would have liked it to be in the EP9 when she trying to fight the emperor lighting and she finally accepts being a nobody and deicide that she wants to be a Skywalker Or she was going to be the granddaughter plan it out and hint at it from the force awaken.
Ok that makes a lot more sense. Still doesn't make me like the film. But one big problem I couldn't wrap my head around is that it took all of Leia's strength just to say Ben. The only problem though is they way they edited the scene. As they show her dying right after she say's Ben and then Rey stabs him with her Saber. I mean it's very easy to imagine that she just set up the image of Han and that it will appear in front of Kylo even if she's already dead before it appears. Just the way they edited can be easily confusing as it just makes it seem like she dies just for reaching out to him and saying his name.
Wise Wolf Tony Oh I agree with you. I didn’t like the movie either and that scene is really wonky. But that’s just how I interpreted it because that made sense to me when I watched it
I honestly feel that Rey being a nobody works better than her being related to an important character. It takes away from the idea that despite the circumstances of your birth and where you come from you can become someone great.
Honestly, I'm just glad the main Skywalker story is over so we can do other stuff a lot now. And I liked TFA and TLJ. I enjoyed lots of the bits in TROS, but it never really felt like those bits formed a cohesive whole. But yeah. Looking forward to the future of Star Wars.
I completely agree, bring on the new stories! I just hope they don't tie the creators hands so much now that we should be moving away from the core canon.
Ah, yes, the Star Wars sequel duology- composed of two stellar, underappreciated movies...and then that weird million dollar fanfic that came afterward which is basically its own thing.
Right?! I think I want my 9-movie Skywalker Saga to include Rogue One and ditch TRoS. I feel like the whole ST just doesn't matter anymore after that. The prequels at least gave us rad new concepts and lore. JJ just gave us fan service and a retread of the OT, while RJ gave us the best possible look at what "Luke in hiding after botching everything" would look like, which is a situation JJ (and GL, honestly) probably shouldn't have put him in in the first place. I sure hope RJ still gets his own trilogy, because that will at least be new and interesting.
Around the 1 hour and 3 minute mark you are talking about Rey being someone, and does this make it better? No. The answer is no, always. The reason is cause JJ even in TFA, only wanted to prey on nostalgia. Everything had to tie back to the original series. So that's all he did for this movie, was shill the same old elements and make it all connect. Rain basically set up the universe to go anywhere. JJ just took it right back to where it's always been, so all we did is remake rather than sequel. It could have gone so well if JJ would have just played with grey area.
I went back and watched The Last Jedi on Netflix by myself at 3am and it was a more enjoyable experience than watching The Rise of Skywalker on opening night. I realized that the Kanto Bight sequence actually wasn't terrible and the pacing and character development were wayyyyy better. Definitely not worst movie but just not good
I don't know why people hated on the Kanto Bight thread so much. It introduced an important character. Developed Finn to show him you can beat evil (the First Order) if you do more than just run away (which sets up him trying to sacrifice himself for the resistance). It introduces an element we only ever saw in the clone wars series, which is how the whole Galaxy reacts and functions with a war going on, and how people can profit. I think the only thing I have an issue with from that sequence is: yeah let's free the horses when literal children are being enslaved. Lol "now it's worth it"
@@jinxie712 for the people who already like it they will continue to like it but the people who don't won't warm up on it because there are so many stupid reactionary decisions that JJ made
@@SanFranFan30 you mean like the times people hated Solo? And the times when people hated Clone Wars and Rebels? And Rogue One. I'm starting to see people saying that they are starting to like the prequels. Give it til the next batch of movies and they'll be at OT levels.
The handing off to another director midway through and the total whiplash of switching the artistic vision ON PURPOSE should go down as one of the most baffling franchise moves. The film's literally take digs at each other to try & be non-linear. There was also a masterpiece in Last Jedi with just a few tweaks. Leia sacrificing herself putting a ship into hyperspace for one etc...
My theater, which was a full imax showing at 11pm opening night, laughed as well (me included). No one laughed at Chewy breaking down though. That moment actually landed
Man this whole trilogy was a major waste of some great potential. A galaxy in chaos and uprising against a shattered empire would have been killer but no had to just redo the same shit but shinier and less interesting
Hyperbole. This never ending war. This evil side appears out of nowhere all the time. The potential wasn't wasted. It wasn't optimized but wasted is hyperbole.
66Snuffleupagus it was completely wasted, we didn’t need the same thing again we could have had something with substance something new and different instead we got a mismatch of three films that weren’t planned out and had no underlined story arc. Was a total mess of empty crap. You bring a franchise like Star Wars back you deserve an actually well thought out series even the prequels felt cohesive
@@ToxicPancake88 Sounds like an analogy of modern war. Going in with no plan. Changing who is in charge constantly. Everyone confused about what we should do now. That's fine art.
66Snuffleupagus right except that’s not how good stories are made.. this isn’t real life it’s a movie? You’re analogy makes next to no sense either as most modern wars are fought with well planned out tactics, no army just goes in to a war zone hoping for the best.. regardless in movie terms it’s a complete mess and just a last minute attempt to fix a bunch of problems caused by having no destinct plan of where to go with this trilogy. And tbh with most of what is considered “fine art” these days is pure garbage
@@ToxicPancake88 You are literally wrong. Afghan War and Iraq War. These writers clearly have no exposure to real conflict. So their writing is terrible. They also have no singular vision. So they have no through line. We agree more than we disagree. I just enjoy the art of a child's vision of what war is. It's adorable.
I didn’t see any clues either, but my little brother called out the second transport the instant the first one exploded, so I guess there must have been something
Yah know as for Anikan bringing balance to the force, If you take the movies as a whole before animated cannon and all the expanded/legends stuff he did exactly that Before Vader there were thousands of jedi and just two sith papa palps and maul or palps and duko then in the orig trig its just vader and palps and obi and yoda 2v2 and what happens when luke starts to learn the force, obi dies still 2v2 and when yoda dies luke learns of his force sensitive sister so still 2v2 that is balance for the orig saga alone
Why Snoke looks like that if he's a cloned body: Imperfect cloning. Kaminoans are genius cloners. Cloning is a dead art that no one knows how to do. The Snoke that we see is just the best of the batch.
TROS confirms to me that Rian Johnson completely disregarded the probable intention JJ Abrams had for this sequel trilogy. The first two acts of TROS felt like JJ’s sequel to TFA, while the the third act is mainly the big finale JJ envisioned for this trilogy. It was a wrong move to market this as the finale to a saga when in truth, it is only designed to be a finale to this trilogy.
Rey is basically "The Cursed Child" from Harry Potter & The Cursed Child. I couldn't help but draw similarities between these two scripts. They're at the core, the same just with either a Harry Potter paint-job or a Star Wars paint-job. But the bottom-line of both stories, is "Are you the same as your heritage?".
the whole tug of war for Rey’s parentage was unnecessary, Abrams had an idea in the first one, Rian Johnson ignored it, they should’ve just left it, there’s too mich reckoning going on already and this wasn’t impactful in any way, but it was an excuse to put Dark Rey in the promos
Suggesting I'd listen to this podcast on Christmas rather than my family tradition of nude self-flagellation on our knees in front of our life-size Jesus crucifixion statue in the living room??? This Podcast is PC GONE MAD!!!!!!!!
Now that a few days have passed I started asking myself, when has Star Wars ever been considered high class cinema? When did it get put up in that pedestal? Star Wars has always been about the grand spectacle and achievements with technology in cinematography. A story about space wizards with 42 years of lore on it's back, whatever comes next will never live up to anyone's expectations. This movie was clearly two movies put into one. I liked Rise of Skywalker, I genuinely did. I also enjoyed Last Jedi but let's be real, Johnson backed up J.J into a corner with the Last Jedi. J.J made it worked best with what he had to make everything tie in for a satisfying (but underwhelming) conclusion. The mistake was trying to have 3 different director's and making the movies round robin style.
I really liked the film in the first viewing, but had som issues with certain scenes; but I absolutley loved it in the second viewing, particularly because of how all the characters were dealing with themes of the dark side (anger, fear, wallowing, expectations of being alone against it all): The awareness of all the characters fd eachother logicly until they could grasp the vision of Palpatine's defeat. Such an overwhelming and domonating force in the entire galaxy, the last decades. I am extremely interested in how the galaxy shapes after this, considering how, with the jedi&sith religions finally gone, where will force-interpretation go? How will the different interesting parts of the galaxy be opened up to the population of StarWars? Jedi: Fallen Order and Mandalorian makes me excited that there are plenty of good stories to be told, without necessary having to tie into the Skywalkers, Solos and the like. It looks fresher, from here! Also, a way better film than 'Solo,' even if RiseofSkywalker seems to be more like two nice movies, hastily shoehorned into one, very fast movie. Best movie ever P.S.: Edit: The cast is just fun to watch, in all these movies, but Rey and Ren are having standout performances. Such good arcs. I can totally see how they aren't arcs people would necessarily expect in this franchise, including I guess, Luke's arc. Dealing with shame, fear and expectations towards yourself are such hard to capture-nuances in modern blockbuster cinema
"quicker than a "Rey". Of light quicker than a "Rey". of light." "Can't beat my Can't beat my star ship going into hyper space." "Pod racing is so wild and free with the Jedi yeah." " don't cry for me Alderaan sorry I let you get blown up." " I left the Jedi temple for good and fell in love with a beautiful Sith lord." 🌌🌌🌌🌌🌌🌌🌌🌌🌌🌌🌌🌌🌌🌌🌌🌌🌌🌌🌌🌌🌌🌌🌌🌌🌌🌌🌌🌌🌌🌌
I know. The cheque "fake out," complaints are really confusing me. Like y'all didn't see both ships? Did I imagine that? When the ship blew up I immediately said well he's on the other one and that's what they did. They weren't trying to hide that. A legitimate complaint would be it was too predictable. But apparently if you don't show the shop it's a fake out if you show it it's predictable. Damned if you do. Damned if you don't.
@@rockyseverino9230 It's predictable to movie nerds. The close up shots. The shots with each character having a response. You can edit later which way you want the movie to go. I think they informed the audience too soon. I knew he was on the other ship but if they gave me more time. I might have doubted myself. Pulling me more into the film. The quick release removed that chance.
Love your content. Found the film a bit boring by the end, but found the scenes between kylo and rey to be the best bits, along with the imagery and fight scenes
The Force awakens came on the TV a while ago, and it made me hella sad. Like shit dog, this trilogy had so much potential. The Rise of Skywalker was like that last dribble of cold piss you have to squeeze out your wiener.
Wasn't it "give leia my love" To which Rey responded "you can give it to her yourself" To which some guy in our cinema shouted "he can't, she's dead, just like this franchise".
Palpatine wanted Rey to strike him down with anger, for revenge (or any other Dark SIde reason), but because she didn't kill him using the Dark Side of the Force, he couldn't possess her, pass his knowledge to her, whatever the deal was.
The Jedi use the force for knowledge and defense, never to attack. Rey used the lightsabers to deflect the emperors lightning back at him, so she was defending herself, I guess.
i remember seeing a second transport, get wreked mrSonday!! lol. i have to check but i think there was one but i dont want to sit down for 2 more hours just to see if it is there, lol
I was surprised how many genuinely good moments there were in this film for me but for every one there immediately followed something else that ruined it. "I am all of the Sith. And I am all of the Jedi" ruined by lifting up the second light saber and that is supposed to signify her being more powerful?? LMAO k. It mimics Voldemort vs Harry so hard just go all the way and give us the force ghosts helping her
1:07:36 They have now in 2022 finally brought Hayden Christensen back and he was very good, even though the series wasn't...or was...or was sort of OK...
I enjoyed it for what it was...a few fun hours of space shenanigans, but it was definitely the weakest of the 3 for me. Also it was the first one i walked out of not thinking "i can't wait to see this again" or "i can't wait to look up all the easter eggs" and just came out saying "...well i'm glad that's over, i can finally move on with my life"...and that makes me a bit sad.
For me, I would prefer if Reys parents were nobody but, because I feel like she’s extremely powerful in the force with little training(not none but only a little) I feel like she needs some kind of lineage to someone powerful in the force
