StarCraft 1: THE FINALS BEGINS - Gypsy vs Jaeyun | StarCon 2023 

I am amazed at how strong Gypsy is even when he didn't see the carrier switch coming. SO STRONG with his goliath micro too, doing bodyshots at the right time, hitting interceptors at the right time, making mech look viable against a large upgraded carrier group is insane.

Do goliaths ever win vs carriers? They must, but I’ve never seen it happen

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I'm sure I've seen artosis do it​@@lockdown969

I was thinking he's at 2/1 why not leave the starport there a bit longer and get out a faster vessel there... just get 1 vessel and maybe 2 goliaths at most to deny vision for J.Y. more effectively/fully.

No idea how the casters missed that!

Probe kills in late game don’t matter it’s the early pressure that slows down the macro.

Отсутствовали батареи для их подзарядки, он даже не планировал играть отзывами. Из-за большой скорости игры массу технологий не получается использовать, они требуют от игрока слишком много дополнительных действий.

Jy could have had stasis as well

Covert ops + lockdown research + ghost is like 400 mineral, 300 gas or something like that. Almost the cost of a single carrier. And you can produce out of like 1 or 2 rax at most. They are supply efficient but it is taxing and a significant investment. Although I agree it'd be cool to see it come out. Hard to have the ghosts get close enough though. Vessels seem like a very wise play and I agree, not sure why you dont just throw them out there. Especially with the huge gas banks that Arty had in last game and Gypsy in this one as well. Saving some of those scans, saving units (as DT often got a unit or two before scan went out) and dropping an EMP possibly on carriers would be huge. Imagine like 1000 damage+ EMP really softens them up a ton.

We also never see ghosts cuz theyre slow

Gypsy almost didn't need to change strategies his mech play and macro were so strong. Goliath micro was insanely good too. Ghosts with lockdown sound great but they are 1)flimsy 2)move slow 3)take a very long time to get. Instead of 10 ghosts you get 2 ghosts and get a nuke..cause you're not gonna have more than 1 rax with a mech build. If you're gonna gamble with ghosts you may as well try to sneak a nuke on his carrier group while he's fighting the goliaths. Have the second ghost sit at a protoss expansion and drop a nuke on that during an engage too for laughs. Battlecruisers are awesome vs carriers due to yamato and could be a possible answer to this type of protoss strategy if you can scan and see the stargates/beacon in time. Both Arty and Gypsy should have been more suspicious after sitting so long with no toss comin at em.

In theory it should be good since observers are easy to snipe with ghosts and goliaths. People have already mentioned the cost but there are a few other key factors. Ghosts are also notoriously hard to micro, they are the smallest unit in the game and are easy to snipe with their abysmal health. The gas cost is also not insignificant. Adding ghosts means less money for tanks. With that in mind the protoss ground army will steamroll a ghost+goliath comp

Протос уже слишком сильно отелся - 8 носителей это уже критично. А 12 с полным набором технологий чистят карту очень быстро.

no. In fact there are over a hundred different scenario where he couldve done something

Wraiths with cloak that kill observers first is something you can do. One solid surprise attack and you have no carriers. Also Valkyries are doing an amazing work against interceptors. And of course ghosts with lockdown. There are many options to fight against carriers.

@@JJvelHunter You forgot one thing. Gypsy had max suply limit units. So you need suicide your own units to get free suply for making more goliaths, wraiths and valkyries. Jaeyun shouldnt atack ground units, only fly to gypsy maine base and destroy all factories and suplydepots to block gypsy entire army. Gypsy would in deep shit. No antiair units couse his whole army was scv, vultures, tanks, few goliaths one dropship and one science vehicle. And enemy didnt kill tanks so you have still blocked suply specialy that carriers destroy suply depots and factories. So you cant produced new units couse you dont have free supply, so you have to suicide your own units for produced antiair units, but you dont have time, suply points and factories. It would be better than shooting down useless tanks and free on that way supply points for gypsy so we just watching swarms of goliaths.

@@JJvelHunter I've heard before that interceptors don't take splash damage. If this is the case, then Valks don't really counter interceptors, right? Or do they still work?

@@kentdetrick5865 Actually you might be right. Valks might not be the best choice here.

Because he's in the winners bracket. JY lost before and went to the losers bracket, beat Artosis, and came back here to the finals.

@@peterh2086 Gotcha. Thanks!

Wraith ball can kill mass carriers once per game cause once you show that card the protoss will get like 5 obs. It's very difficult to kill the 2/3 obs flying with the carrier group btw and if you don't do it fast enough the wraiths get melted. Valks do nothing because carrier armor is too high. But a crazy 4 starport battlecruiser swap could be awesome...if you catch what the protoss is up to soon enough. Sadly Gypsy did not catch on til it was too late.

@@Ziegfried82 Обсерверы цепляются в цепочку, друг за другом и кроме того если есть арбитр, то их можно еще призвать.

He even had the arbiter. He could fly into that terran base blow up all the depots, cluster up and recall out! That would have been amazing lol.

@@Ziegfried82 Yeah recall out to own base if Gypsy willbe try eliminate protoss.

In starcraft if you make one mistake you generaly lost. And Blizzard pls dont fixed it. Every conflict, battle in history of mankind was lose/won because of one stupid mistake.

Gypsy showed this game that high skill terrans can actually give protoss carrier players a lot of trouble even with goliaths. Imagine if Gypsy had seen the stargates/beacon, he would have mopped up Jy quick.

@@Ziegfried82 Gypsy showed skill with goliath couse Jaeyun give him opportunity for that.

Diggity said he was rooting for jaeyun and the other caster plays terran.

@@charlescook5542Yeah, talking about the background caster, hope we never have to hear him again on this channel.

Worst possible choice vs carriers. You could melt the shields off real quick but the hull of carriers starts at 4 armor. Valk damage starts at 5...