StarCraft 2: Reynor vs Spirit is the LONGEST Match in Years?! 

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I lost it when lowko started doing that... "tehlellele tehellel tehellelle. thats the sound of the scan right ober dere" hahaha

I think he was trying to let the game come to a draw, becayse I'm fairly certain harvesting minerals resets the draw timer.

@@3d_win If that was the overriding goal it may have been more effective to kill all his own buildings outside of his main base, then retreat into his main base, the narrow ramp may have improved his odds of avoiding casualties until the timer timed out. And may have prevented Spirit from being able to leverage his advantage to cleanly win an army fight. Though I do acknowledge that that's not really an intuitive conclusion to come to, and maybe would have provoked any referees.

Maybe, just my thinking, in reynor's mind, those minerals would gave him nothing, the few extra basic units that those mineral could have produce, will achieve nothing vs Spirit's army or base

@@failiuredoofus There's 0 chance of managing 0 casualties. A ghost has just to move forward, and zerg couldn't stop it as it's trying to ... not do any casualties ?? The draw thingie is only good for ending a game where terran put his buildings in the air without having any army left while the opponent only has ground army

It's to avoid a draw, if it came to that. No kills for 5 minutes? No problem! Mine 5 minerals. Rinse, Repeat, to avoid an Auto-Draw.

That what she said

Hellooo a free one 😎

now the classic outro. BYEOI!

This is the perfect example of why this game is dying. I legit see Spirits strat 7 times out of 10 on ladder vs every Terran I face. No one ever thinks of the noobs laddering being the people that watch this game. Its no wonder sc2 viewership is dropping.

@@Konranjyoutai turtling is not the same as going to a super late game

you missin out.

I blame the Brood Lords. Similar to when it comes to the Protoss Carriers xD

@@G00dN1ghT If you are going mech/ghost, it is the same thing. I play in Masters/GM, it isn't like Im playing gold leaguers.

for those that were out of wight of dection it prevented the brood from killing the goasts

Better safe than sorry I guess. Sometimes it did feel like it was just wasting energy, but since he was coming from the bottom of a ramp against spores (high field of vision), better avoid the Broods sniping all the way from Brazil. (Seriously, what the hell is the range on that unit. Everything about it ticks me.)

@@PirateofAE2 The goasts.... I mean....... that's the closest I've seen to a phonetic spelling I guess.

@@hitlord Thors can hit Broods from Antartica. Broods are already severely nerfed from the BL winfestor days. A true nerf. Not like the "nerf" of ghosts that didn't actually do anything.

@@hitlord so 10 Range is to much for a Siege Unit? LOL. But Tanks, Thors and Range of Ghost abilitys is ok for you?

Its simply a bad design to put too much power on a single unit. But we have the same problem with the Queen in the early game. And the issue with both units are, if you nerf them hard, how you gonna replace them? Would you be okay if EMP before moved to the Raven instead? And then buff the Libs/Tanks so that they can make up the damage output from Snipe? Increasing supply just doesnt make sense, unless you want to do the same thing to the Queen. And its not like you see 30 Ghost marching on creep, sniping down everything and win the game by themselves. What make the Ghost so good is the defensive set up from Terran that make it next to impossible to catch up unless you completely overwhelm the position, or get some great fungal shot. What bring on the Ghost full power has been the turtling style that Terran using more and more efficient.

@@tigera6 well the difference with the queen and ghost is, that the queen is a defensive spellcaster with 2 out 3 spells for the makro. The queen is strong in the early game and she has to be because its the only thing that can actually defend and its not like zergs are unkillable with queens in the early game, also queens and ghosts dont usually interact in the early game so I dont see why the queen needs to be nerfed too when the ghost gets nerfed? Also it doesnt make sense to produce 30 queens while 30 ghosts are a thing and when you have so much of them, terrans start sniping zerg like banelings. Well I didnt say that they snipe alone without any support everything away but they should be a support unit. increasing the supply will automatically decrease the number of ghosts on the field and make them more of a support unit.

@@BestPrezz The current meta has Queen defending against everything in early game push, until Terran can has enough unit to out-damage them. They are literally unkillable because of the amount of health and healing they can have. Couple that with a group of cheap Zerling and you can defend against almost everything from Terran in early game. Tell me which unit early from Terran that Queen cant defend? But there is nothing you can do about it balance-wise, because you dont have a reliable defensive unit other than Queen in early Zerg game. The same thing with Ghost, where you cant find the alternative to replace them in the current meta. If you want to remove Snipe, then you need to replace that with a reliable, mobile damage dealer against the speed unit of Zerg. Tanks and Libs are great defensively but susceptible to surrounded and spellcaster from Zerg, because they are extrememly immobile. If you nerf Ghost, then you need to give Terran something else to make up for it, would you want to give Raven more power? Make Anti-Armor missle become the old Heat Seeker Missile again? Or make Banshee something more useful than just die straight up to Queen/Hydra? Dont just say nerf a unit just because you think its OP, try to think why it has to be that way and if you nerf it, whats the alternative to promote the discussion.

@@tigera6 yeah i agree that the queen is an allrounder but as I said, you can kill a zerg in the early game, the queen is not unkillable or overpowered in my opinon. I never said to remove the snipe? Just that its ridiculous to see 30 ghosts walking around like marines. I also never said that ghosts are OP, and how it is now is not a must have, terrans can also win with less ghosts its just more comfortable with more since ghosts counter everything of the zerg and protos.

@@tigera6 remember 15+ infestor? it was called "bad design". interesting.... what did zerg get as compensation for IT? Microbial Shroud.... + no dmg buff for any unit. just remove snip and give a support spell.

Exactly! Have to agree here.

Yes because reynor was not in the position to do anything. For him winning wasnt an Option anymore it was just not losing and hoping for a mistake. He had no chance to engage without a nearly 100% chance of losing

@@st4ndby that is when you type GG and congrats to the opposing player

@@MrZiva82 no you dont do that, if you don’t have any real chance to win you type GG. Reynor had a high chance to win if terran messed up the engagement, it’s all about the ghosts. That is exactly the problem there. You can’t win with your own engagement, you only can win if the terran is messing up his engagement, so that means you have to wait and hope for a mistake or you leave with a full supply of a high tech army and a running eco. And if you agreeing on that you agree to „play the game as long as your opponent build army composition XY, and as soon as he achieved that, leave the game“. Sounds stupid, doesn’t it?

Lucifron also didn't know how to play a mined-out game :\

Libs are splash units if you split the carriers you kill them so easy

@The_LowkoTv2..2 ??? Ok troll or real ?

@The_LowkoTv2..2 Oh...well that is incredible ❤:D But what should I do?

Reynor hasnt been back to that beasty form since that IEM from last year. Yeah he showed up here and there at some tournament, but he has not lived up to the same expectation as being a world champion/finalist for while already. To be quite frankly, I dont think Reynor is even in top 10 of favorite player to win the coming ESL Summer.

Oi Lowko think you've got a fake Lowko here

2 is more of a Winter thing, i rarely hear lowko say it.