Except there is actually made sense because the entire universe was set up that way. It was also much better executed in Enders Game because you actually were able to tell who is who, who is currently losing and who is winning, and what the consequences of mass drone destruction were. Here, it is just chaos, nobody can tell anything. And Trek never did such a useless shuttle and drone spam, with stationary ships..... The fighter wings in DS9 made so much more sense.
Evidenced no better than when an Orion-controlled Discovery in STD season 3 held off every ship at Starfleet HQ for minutes even after the Admiral gave the fleet the order not to hold back and to destroy the ship rather than let it fall into enemy hands.
This is actually era-appropriate. The original Enterprise's shields (no bloody A, B, C, or D) were phenomenally powerful, withstanding hits from weird green hands, Doomsday Machines that cut up and ate entire planets, unknown plasma torpedoes, V'ger's digitiser torpedoes that took out D-7s in one hit, and all sorts of other stuff.
Can you imagine pulling the SFX team & Matt Jeffries into a screening theater 6 months after the last episode of TOS when they thought that was just a show and they were onto the next one.. show them just this and tell them this is what would become of their labors.. how would they react?
They’d be impressed with how much more complex scenes we can create these days, compared to ships just moving from one side of the screen to the other.
Still love the fact that Control, an AI, either A) Didn't concentrate fire on just the Enterprise, blow it up within a few minutes leaving only the Discovery and B) Didn't aim that super/mega/big torpedo simply at the Enterprises Bridge.
Everybody is saying it looked like Star Wars (newsflash, Star Wars was not the only franchise to show dense space battles but oh well). This really felt more like a Battlestar Galactica battle with all the dense fire and point defense. I think that this is what Deep Space Nine would have done for the Dominion battles if they had the resources to do so. I sometimes find Trek battles a bit too cut and dry - ship A fires at ship B, Ship B returns fire and back and forth it goes for a couple of volleys. And at least for once the damned shields were working, sometimes Star Trek forgets about that.
I have to imagine that, in a situation like this where a larger ship has a protective swarm of smaller ships, the larger ship is effectively unarmed. Firing on the enemy is just as, if not more, likely to hit your own side.
@@lordtrini So then the enemy just shoots down the gap you've just had to make so you can fire. Like we're not talking shooting down someone's rifle here, that space is basically the size of a humvee.
Having the galaxy which in some sources the star fleet identified the class as a dreadnought it would be amazing to see the ‘dreadnoughts’ of the fleet to brawl with any foe
NO OTHER STARFLEET SHIP WOULD TAKE THE TYPE FO BEATING WHEN THE AUTOMATED PHOTON TORPEDO BLEW FOUR DECKS WIDE OF THE SHIP IT SURVIVED NOW THATS A TRUE POWERFUL FEDARATION SHIP
well, they only got big fancy laserstuff going for this show. The story and characters are very bad. Unlike in Star trek strange new worlds, where the characters are much more evolved and less like 13 year old kids. But whatever the consumer wants, if they want fancy lightning show of shit. they get it.
They got the hero ship effects so right...and the vibe of the battle so wrong. The whole fight is drowned out by those squeaky fighters that look like they came out of the JJ Verse. Wisely, DIS wouldn't bring these back in subsequent 32nd century battles.
Agree, they just had 1 random millennium falcon version around Discovery to fight alongside them or just straight up ships themselves and not pods with phasers coming out of discovery's ass
I didn't understand how Discovery got the blue beams this episode. When the last 2 seasons it was using pulses. Then why in SNW the Enterprise has red beams.
@@jakearmitage7811 Watch this video from the 1:50 mark for red phasers: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cij2kF5SU1Q.htmlsi=bQJAZu5U8lLz4rMb And this video from the 2:25 mark for pulse phasers: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-XKoF45apwYk.htmlsi=vuhDhhtEb9KY-C77
At 2:25, those appear to be a different kind of photon torpedo, rather than phaser pulses. The sound effect doesn’t match up with what we know as a phaser, so that would be my guess.
@@Pavel_M_Mihalik Plus it was a direct point blank shot, by what looks like a torpedo specially designed to punch through a, most likely weakened, shield. Why else was it the only one launched the way it was?
If control was meant to be a tactical decision making AI then it could at least fire a few torpedoes at the bridges of enterprise and discovery but no we don’t do that cause plot convenience
They were fighting ships operated by Control - a rogue AI that was originally used by Section 31 to make strategic assessments and come up with defense strategies.
when star trek franchise trying to copy japanese macross series....but failed miserably. The size and scale and numbers are messed up, and those shuttles literally suicide
The red angel shit was such a stupid story line. There’s no way she should of realistically survived flying through a battle in a suit like that. The only good thing about this show was pike and the enterprise.
I think it's the worst space battle ever seen on Trek. The drone/shutte spam is just stupid, nobody is maneuvering, Discovery and Enterprises shields are suddenly enough to tank what 10? enemy ships for ages. The effects are waaaaay too much over the top. It's hard to even realize what is going on especially with all the shuttles and drones. This battle would have been much better if it was only the starships and they were actually maneuvering. The battles they did in Strange New Worlds are so much better than this.
@xxnightdriverxx9576 for once, im going to have to defend discov here. Those ships are big and heavy. For how they were cornered, this was actually how you'd defend yourself. Control was taking a "corner them and don't let them move" approach. They defended themselves in one of the most tactically accurate ways I've seen in this scenario specifically when it comes to fiction.
A completely terrible scene from the dramaturgical point of view. Yes, a lot happens, explosions, phaser fire, shuttles fly around, but half the time I don't really know what's going on. From the spectator's point of view, I can't develop a feeling for what I'm seeing right now. A ship explode? Okay, i have no idea what it was or who it belonged to anyway. I miss the more cleaner battlescenes in DS9 or even Enterprise.
Yeah, but from a realistic perspective, this is how it is. If you're looking at a fleet-to-fleet battle in navy from a birds eye view, you'd have a way more difficult time.
@@10054Except that Section 31 shouldn't have its own fleet of starships. Shuttles, yes as a means of transporting agents to designated tasks, but a top secret organisation cannot hide its existence when it's funnelling funds from Starfleet to build its own fleet of ships. Also having a fleet does not align with Section 31's mandate. They take care of things BEHIND THE SCENES. If a secret fleet suddenly appeared in Klingon or Romulan space and started blowing shit up, a lot of people would have a lot of questions to ask. "But don't you see? This is the Section 31 that was ... and the 24th century incarnation is what it became because it learned its lessons from this plot arc." Bullshit. Section 31 was not this 100 years prior in Enterprise ... and it surely would have been 100% assimilated by Control when it went rogue, meaning that the entire organisation was wiped out.
The "swarm" surrounding Space Jesus is a copycat of Enders Game. The ramming jump of Klingon's ship is a copycat of USNC Infinity of Halo. The "fire barrage" is a copycat of Battlestar Galactica artillery barrage. This show is incredible brainless.
