@@patrickmcp8391Maybe because the effect it has on the operator was deemed inhumane by the Federation? Plus there was really no need for a spore drive after the Klingon War.
@@crylittlesister6377 no real need? Wha? Why would they keep producing faster warp ships, but say there was no need for the INSTANT transportation method for anything? Even not in war it would have massive benefits, any time a small ship with barely any defences gets in serious trouble just woooop right outta there before it gets turned into rocks. Even just saving it for emergencies on slow ships would be a good idea. It's just power creep, making the new thing the best to try and make people interested, never mind if its any good
So THIS is what Pike has been doing with the Enteprise before I took command, huh. And tell Starfleet command "Go to hell" for reducing the tech level to buttons and levers under my command.
@@magic_zauber by once again......screwing with time! Yet the writer's quickly realized what corner they backed themselves into this season and thus decided to propell it's new cast of characters into the far future for more "Freedom of choice" lol I just hope that the Captain Pike and Mirror Universe spin-offs go well. But after the way Picard turned i dunno about this.
@@Shondaw2005 Right now were supposed to believe Discovery was already around the same time as the original Consitution-class Enterprise as Captain Pike was just starting out. That is Until they made up that whole season 2 finale plot of them needing to "Jump to the future to save universe from robotic take-over by their sentiant ship" type plot. Add in section 31 rules and you have extra rule added where no ones allowed to even mention the ship or crew again as well.
XD in one hand, this is funny on the other, it actually would be effective as you would need to be near what is MAKING said Lensflare... like a Sun or a very bright planet
@@Xathos Canon is the events. Who did what, where, when, how and why. Visuals are merely an aspect of production. Say a story began as a college stage play, and the creators over time went on to create low-budget TV series' and then movies. Do we call them "non-canon" because they no longer look just like the stage play? No, we do not. That is basically what TOS was. Telling the right stories, but with limited means of production. If they had modern technology and a grasp of what tech advancement would look like in 50 years, you bet your ass TOS would have looked WAY different than it did in the 60s
Wait you don’t remember the giant fighter deck inside the ship that can fit around 200 people? I guess it’s the same as giant hallways and massive turbolift shafts, all in all they must’ve just found tech from Dr. Who in this Universe.
@@theharbingerofconflation I thought that maybe the shuttles and fighters were remote-controlled by the Enterprise's computers, with human oversight by the security officers.
what? kirks' enterprise only had 4 shuttles.... and it only had enough space for 4 shuttles. how they have hundreds of fighters flying in and out of the hangar deck is a mystery to me... is the enterprise a tardis from doctor who?
@@Delogros works better than you might think, if they fly up or down the encircled ships give chase while concentrating fire on the back side of the ships. legit would be better to stay in place and rush one of the ships. hope for maximum crossfire
Starships have always been slow and lumbering, relying on shields rather than maneuvering around shots. That is, until DS9 treated starships like fightercraft. I am glad to see Starships tanking hits with their shields rather than exploding in one hit. If anything was a Star Wars battle, it was "Sacrifice of Angels" (DS9)
@@k1productions87 I don’t like Star Trek ships moving like fighters either, my point is that the ships aren’t moving at all! Look at Star Trek II or Balance of Terror for example. These both manage to have great space battles, with a decent amount of movement, without it breaking down into fighter-like combat. In First Contact, yes the ships are moving around very quickly, but when you’re in a much smaller and more maneuverable ship than the enemy, it just makes sense to do that. Here they aren’t moving, they aren’t being tactical at all, they’re just sitting there, in open space, getting shot at, from all sides.
@@PNolandS Kinda like the Enterprise C and D in "Yesterday's Enterprise" (TNG) And like that episode, they are in a specific place for a reason. Big maneuvers would not only take them away from where they were supposed to be, but also make it easier for divide and conquer. With both ships together, they can cover each other. in fact we already saw in season 1 of Discovery, when they were maneuvering too much in battle, they weren't able to cover the Gagarin before it was destroyed.
What like the ships in TNG that are stated to be 1000 km away and then a cut to a shot of the ship less than an Enterprise length off the bow? Oh no! Stop the presses! An inconsistency between visuals and dialogue!
And i agreed, just what have star wars become (i really like star wars and star trek)..... and i born in 2001 that surpose to be "new audiences " and i hate it
@@Sirvantir : Always looking for some more good tunes from Miss Minmay! Robotech/Macross is one of my all time faves too! Glad you liked the reference. I can’t stand the new Trek. This scene alone got me wondering when will Khyron show up and bang up a few ships before going all madman out there?
"We're *SURROUNDED* in space!" "Oh no. What if we go up or down. What will they do then." "Oh, or we can have our teleporting ship make flanking attacks."
@@austinbate5107 Well that at least comes from the idea that light is catching up to the actual ship. Discovery spinning around with little ploopy sound effects is very silly to me. Of course it's just subjective.
never watched much of the older series, huh? that happened so often, people are already used to it. only rarely would they actually maneuver in actual 3d, mostly when evading. :/
And they can’t move out of the plane because doing so would remove the concern of friendly fire on the enemy’s side, causing them to get shot to pieces more quickly. It’s a brilliant tactical to keep the enemy in place without having to cover every vector.
Section 31brought all of their ships to this fight not because they wanted to destroy Discovery, but because Enterprise would have kicked their ass if they didn't.
the section 31 ships were commanded by a AI that makes it all that much worse. AI's should have all battle tactics in their programming but apparently section 31 is a crappy AI.
1:35 - This has always bugged me, and it is not just this Star Trek episode, but when the comment is "We are surrounded." they are actually not. Space is not a 2-dimensional space, you can see there are no ships above or below them and this has always bugged me. Why not deploy your ships in a 360 sphere and attack from all sides? Space does not have an up, down, or flat area.
Didn't like the whole shuttle thing, where did they come from, so many, a few ok, but like hundreds! Traditional capitol ship fights is lacking, we had some in season 1 with klingons, but this shuttle thing, come on, season 3 awesome btw
That's the least of the series problems. Their portrayal of straight white males as either incompetent or evil is straight out of an antifa propaganda book, and while I thought thinks would change with Captain Pike character, their constant insubordination towards him makes it clear he's more of a punching bag to show that PoC don't need to obey whitey even if he has rank.
It's funny, TOS didn't give warp drive any special effect, and it's not 'til TNG that we get the customary "ship stretches, catches up with itself, flash" effect. So, this is the first time we have EVER seen the TOS Enterprise do this! (Well, the first warp jump in Into Darkness looked like this, but y'know, heavy redesign, other timeline, and such.)
I miss Star Trek.................................................................after watching this.............................................. ................... I still miss STAR TREK
I've been on the hunt for years. As far as I can tell it was not released officially on any soundtrack. My search eventually led me to Season 3, Episode 2 of Discovery. This plays when Stamitz is fixing the equipment in the Jeffries Tube towards the end of the episode. I will continue my research.
@@hobomike6935 honestly, I don't mind how the warp animations look. You still see a bit of stretching, and the smooth "1-2" sequence of it jumping, and then the flash of light. It's better than in picard, where they just pop out of nowhere like a star wars ship coming out of hyperspace.
Looks too much like Star Wars. I find this version of Star Trek unwatchable and dull. What happened to the great psychological tension of the old Start Trek (and great dialogue)?
If sector 31's fleet was there waiting, the Mary Sue wouldn't have stood a chance, getting there with the spore drive. They should have used the standard warp to come in with the Enterprise.
Hey, how do we ruin Star Trek now? Have the Enterprise act as an aircraft carrier and launch dozens of shuttle fighter craft even though it only ever had one! Brilliant!
It “only ever had one” because that’s all the budget could afford *IN 1966!* And, how about Number One SPECIFICALLY STATING that they picked up *extra* fighters and tactical support craft in anticipation of EXACTLY what is happening on screen!? But I guess it would be too difficult to gatekeep Star Trek if you actually watched it.
@@plancomestogether Wow, someone actually defending Discovery? I'm shocked. Have you ever actually seen a Star Trek series or is it just this and those pretty awful JJ Abrams reboots?
@@vsGoliath96 Basically someone in the STD writing team saw Battlestar Galactica and decided that a carrier would be all kinds of cool (Even though the Descovery and Enterprise aren't close to big enough to have this many shuttles)
@@Delogros Oh my God that's exactly what that reminded me of! I couldn't quite put my finger on where I'd seen this scene before, but it's totally a BSG moment. Just replace the Enterprise and Discovery with Galactica and Pegasus.
I liked the show very much, then watched all the previous shows and I can see all the complains people have... Most of them are correct but some people just complain for the sake of complaining... Season 3 was way better than 1 or 2 at being Star Trek and not just a random sci fi show tho
I would too if I signed up to explore the galaxy on a shroom-mobile and then get blitzed on by a black project fleet the federation cooked up and lost control over
to be fair a lot of crew did this on all of the old star trek shows, even back to TOS. but yeah this one did a poor job of hiding it, or giving any suspension of disbelief
Why not jump discovery across the quadrant.. let control headed for them while enterprise gets to a specific location.. then jump discovery across the quadrant with plenty of time to time jump as control; has to once again race across the aLPHA quadrent to get back to discovery
the sound effects are for our benefit. plus the background music. if you were a character in universe you would only hear the sound of your bridge terminal or the ambient sound of the bridge... lol for sure it would be less colorful. it would be all gray
Such a waste of top notch VFX talent. Busy screen, too much fake dust on the fake lenses, non-sensical tactics, faceless enemy. Less is usually so so much more in any space battle. I desperately miss the clean majesty of older Trek battles.
They didn’t need to do the soft visual reboot. Why tweak the design of the iconic Enterprise if they are going to add the dark texture and dark lighting anyway, why not preserve this iconic ship design and maintain continuity? Imagine Disney redesigning the millennium falcon...
The Millennium Falcon was already a high fidelity design, because it made for the big screen, while the USS Enterprise was made for a low res, black & white tv screen.
@@zachboyd4749 it was introduced in deep space nine. Basically they are a Black ops part of starfleet and the federation which answer to no one and spend most of the time out of public eye and most don't even know they exist (some high ranking Admirals don't know about them). They do a range of things from creating a virus to wipe out an entire race to put people that the federation themselves could trust in power within other governments (like the romulans as an example) What's happening in this clip is the AI called Control which Section 31 uses managed to gain its own mind and infected the members of Section 31 and turn them into nanobot machines which the individuals are effectively killed and wants data that the discovery has within its computers as seen in a flash forward, showed all organic life was exterminated I it gets said data
You know what would have been a pretty cute touch? If the bridge of the _Enterprise_ had gotten all smashed up, and then she put in for repairs later, and the repair crew told Pike “Sorry captain, but we had to do so much rewiring that the bridge won’t be able to support standard instrument panels anymore. We’ll have to give you a bunch of crappy old knobs and dials instead.” Also, how do these two ships have so many support craft between them? Did someone borrow them from _Voyager?_
The people who did this don't care. They wanted a Star Wars battle, lots of PEW PEW with a chaotic number of tiny ships and energy blasts to distract the viewers from the nonsensicalness of it all. They have no idea that Trek ships just aren't all that big, nor carry hundreds of fighters...nor do they have any interest in it.