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Notice in George R R Martin's quote he says "Brandon died before he had sons and Lyanna is also dead." He didn't say they both died without having children.
Robb considering Jon as an heir gives me a warm fuzzy feeling. Of course that disappears quickly as with all good feelings in GoT, but it would have been nice.
He did, Robb signed a declaration naming Jon as his heir and King in the North, should Robb be killed without a child of his own. In the books Galvart Glover & Maege Mormont were sent back to the North to inform the North and possibly Jon of Robb's will. They are believed to be in the Neck at GreyWater Watch with Lord Howland Reed.
It may have died in GoT, but in the books it still might come into play. There are a sparse few people left alive who know about the declaration Robb signed, and if Jon is released from his vows in the Night's Watch like he is in the show, he'd be the legitimate King in the North in Robb's place. It may not even matter at this point, but who knows.
The Starks have existed for thousands of years and still only have one small family, not counting the Karstarks. Yet after a few hours of Crusader Kings 2, I get more Starks than I need.
In my experience, I'd have 10 daughters and one sickly son that will die two years from now from illness. I tend to see 80% daughters in my games.. and I've played the mod for years now
@@Emrys91 Look it up on RU-vid to see more about it and decide if it's for you. You can download a demo on Steam. The GoT adaptation is a mod downloaded from the steam workshop
Every prominent Northern family has relation with the Starks. If you see the Stark family tree you shall see Stark lords marrying ladies from Houses Umbers, Karstarks, Glovers, Manderlys etc. And also vice versa (Stark girls marrying Lords of other Houses)
i never understood the a valid reason for karstark killing the lannisters kids. its like yea jamie killed my son let me kill his third cousin that he doesn't even care about
Karstark wanted to behead Jaime as soon as they captured him. It was just mindless vengeance from the beginning. It's war. There are casualties. Take your vengeance on the battlefield. Capturing Casterly Rock would have been 1000x bigger blow to the Lannisters than killing some distant cousins. It was dumb.
Sergio Milho Agreed. But that doesn't make Karstark's actions or attitude any more reasonable or honorable. He was out for blood BEFORE Catelyn released him. Karstark's sons died IN BATTLE. It's war. You don't execute a prisoner of war to avenge comrades (or sons) that died honorably in battle. It's dishonorable, and it's an incredibly stupid move politically if said prisoner has any substantial value.
You have to remember how brutal the Starks were. Theon Stark sailed to Andalos, and slaughtered a lot of innocent civilians for being invaded by Andals. During the War of the Wolves, they slaughtered Gaven Greywolf, and slew all of his kin. They killed the Warg King, his sons, greenseers, and allies in the Children of the Forest, and took his daughters as prizes. They also killed the Marsh Kings, who are considered to be pretty cool, and dis the same thing with their daughters. Something gives me the opinion that these guys probably extinguished countless Branches for rebelling. I don't think the Greystarks were the first people to rebel, and they probably won't be the last.
@@sameeramahalekame7992 i dont know bad shit happens in wars but i think the starks are good remember the line "back when the starks ruled the north a maiden could walk on the kings road without fear of being raped or harmed" but when the boltons came that all changed. #thenorthremembers #weknownokingbutthekinginthenorthwhosenameisstark
True, Starks weren't "good" enough to not face frequent rebellions...Starks defeated and extinguished many ruling houses in the north ...and Boltons a house just as old as the Starks rebelled against Starks because they were also kings of the north.
Luis Avila I personally think it has to do with Lyanna. He might have felt guilt about helping her be the mystery knight at Harrenhal before Robert Baratheon’s rebellion against the Targaryens. He could’ve seen all of the terrible events unfold right before his eyes and decided to take the black as soon as Ned returned from the war. When Lyanna was “captured” , I think the year in between Lyannas “capturing” and Robert’s victory gave Benjen time to think about it. I mean, imagine being teenagers. You’re best friends with your older sister, as you’re the youngest son in a noble family. You two scheme together to have fun- you decide to help her be a mystery knight at Harrenhal because she’s an excellent fighter and rider. After the tourney, you put the shield with a weirwood tree on display/somewhere for someone to find and be dazzled by the mystery. King Aerys became paranoid because, I mean any crazy man would flip out if they were presented with an incredible fighter who hid their identity. Plus the sigil on her shield was a weirwood tree, which Aerys thought was laughing at him. The mad king sent out a full blown investigation, finding out where they got the horses and the armor. Prince Rhaegar most likely traced it back to Lyanna. They probably had a connection or Rhaegar needed her to be part of his Azor Ahai prophecy (a song of ice & fire). The next day he crowns Lyanna the most beautiful woman in the kingdom, riding past his wife Eilia Martell. So, you’re both in the Riverlands and your sister goes missing after Prince Rhaegar rides through. That year of not hearing from Lyanna and having her die in the end must have caused a moral shift in Benjen and felt he had to pay for his crimes that no one knows he commited.
I read how Northerners and Stark’s specifically thought of taking the black as one of the most honourable things they can do. Giving up everything in defence of the North
“There’s still so much story left to write I don’t think GRRM has time to worry about a branch family” Foolish words. This is the most undisciplined man in fiction.
@@stomper5432 The only house as fas as I know that has been powerful enough to challenge the Starks are the Boltons, in fact many years ago the Boltons were known as the Red Kings. The Starks started to conquer and control other small kingdoms around them but the Boltons gave them a fight and killed many Starks lords. Everything changed when the Andals started their invasion of Westeros, at that time they were conquering everything starting from the Vale. Once the Andals moved to conquer the North the Boltons sided with the Starks to defeat them and in the end the last Red King Rogar Bolton submitted to the kings of winter (Starks). After that there were a few rebellions from the Boltons but none of them succeded, until the recent events of course. But as you can see the Boltons were chosen to be the wardens of the North by the Iron Throne for a reason, they were kings at some point and after the Starks they have always been the most powerful house.
@@SilverSoulxd I think it also has something to do with Lord Roose Bolton. He chose his options wisely and sided with the lannisters to take the opportunity to take down the starks once and for all. The Lannisters named him warden as they knew he was the better and only option as another northern lord would just rebel in loyalty to house stark and if they put a southern lord there the north would rebel too
GRRM answer doesn't make any sense honestly. The Starks are the oldest family in the 7 kingdoms. Ned and his family shouldn't be the only reason why the Stark family became so few for example Ned's father was an only child but what about his father's amily and cousins where are they? Cuz in the stark family tree we just see them that they got married and then what? Where are them now.
second sons in medieval times didn't inherit anything (they only did so in earlier times, which led to many civil wars between them for reunification of the partitioned lands and thus was abandoned). so sons of branches would usually become clergy (in terms of GoT probably maesters or septons) or rogue or mercenary knights or join a monastic order (in terms of GoT they would maybe join the... second sons ;) or go to the wall, which Benjen does) unless they did something to warrant or simply get granted a hold of their own (which is what the story of the Karstarks symbolizes). That also used to trigger a change of name until fixated last names became a thing. So you won't find many of them. And the women entered political marriages without keeping their name. So no, there shouldn't be that many Starks around.
A Jay In the timeframe Westeros is based off of, few men were actually able to pass on their genes, that's why someone who lived only 1,300 years ago like Charlemagne may very well be the grandpappy for a large portion of the human race, it's very likely those early branches just died off without having had successors, legitimate or otherwise.
+Konterfeit That still doesn't answer the question of there not being a lot of Starks period. Especially when you consider that Starks and other Northmen are First Men and are ethnically different from Andals and Roynish in the south and don't share the same sensibilities as a Lannister would or Martell would. The only order they would consider joining is The Watch. Even then, you'd have to consider that you can join The Watch at any time even after you've already sired children and no every younger child joined. Especially after The Watch began to decline.
Actually this problem is going to be addressed in the next Dunk and Egg story. To cut the story short there was basically a stark family civil war after Baron Stark died. A lot of starks died and many of them just got up and left like the Wandering wolf. Others just had their lines die off. An interesting fact is that Rickard Stark (Ned's dad) married his cousin Lyarra stark who came from one of those branches.
1:31 Notice how he says "Brandon died before he had any sons, and Lyanna is also dead", instead of Brandon and Lyanna died before having any sons. Maybe I'm just looking too much into this idk.
Ahmed Atcha I know lol and you'd be wrong just like every R+L=J believer lol. Go to the channel The Order of The Greenhand and watch the Jon Snow's Parentage (or N+A=J) and the Prince Who Was Promised (or R+L=Aegon) videos. They will change your every thought when it comes to Ice and Fire. I don't hold to a lot of what they believe since I'm with Preston Jacobs on his "There is no magic in the world of Ice and Fire" theory which believes that every "supernatural" event that has occurred can be explained by the occupants of Planetos having either telepathy ("bonding" with a dragon, skinchanging any other animal, sending dreams and visions through devices capable of relaying signals like glass candles and the moon, and the many collective consciousness's in the world (Warlocks, Children in the Weirwoods etc...)) or telekinesis ("Animation" and control of corpses that can walk and fight, the many ships that get consistently strong and fast winds to travel the world at crazy speeds for the technology level, Dany walking into a pyre and only her hair catching fire, Bran surviving a 50 foot drop at least, Sweetrobin being able to sling a full bed pan across a medieval Lord's room with such speed the Maester couldn't get out of the way in time, and Sweetrobin being able to knock the wind out both Sansa and Lothor Brune when he can barely stand) and the Order does believe that magic exists on Planetos but their thoughts on parentage are spot on. That's why I always tell people "You're right, Tyrion Lannister did meet Rhaegar and Lyanna's son, he just met him on a small boat on the Rhoyne River in Essos and not in Winterfell...
you forgot something King Bran the Shipwright Stark sailed across the sunset sea and was never seen my theory is he landed on the unexplored side of essos and built his own kingdom there
I know this is old, but Asshai at the extreme edge of Essos is bordered on the north by the shadowlands (lifeless except for ghost grass), and above that territories that were defended against with the old stone castles. No sedentary civilization exists there, I think. Wild dragons and other monsters roam freely there, and nomadic tribes range widely to survive. If there is a target for some Bran colonial nation, Ulthos is a possibility, in that GRRM intentionally left that continent undescribed and unexplored, just to create mystery with everything else that is not explicitly resolved. No hard evidence, but always possible until things are otherwise made explicit. Which, in the case of Bran might be never.
Great video man, this was a topic I haven't seen any other ASOIAF based channels do before so definitely some extra points on originality! This is something I've also wondered about in the past bc there really is only one main branch of the Starks in the books & show and it really does seem strange that no other Stark cousins exist besides the Karstarks, & the other Southern families like Arryns & Tullys. I think the Blackwoods & Royce's have some Stark blood in them too if I'm not mistaken but hopefully we'll learn at least a little bit more about possible, distant, Stark relatives in the next 2 books. It's definitely time for the Starks to make a major come back in the books, even though I think it'll be entirely different from the show, & I'm willing to bet Stannis will win the Battle of Winterfell in WoW, but he'll probably be betrayed & killed by one of the Northern families after the battle is won & the Boltons are defeated. I could see the Northern houses helping him beat the Boltons & Freys from inside & outside of Winterfell. They'll make up the bulk of Stannis' army but once Davos returns w/ Rickon, the Northern lords will still want to remain independent from the South, against Stannis so they will rise against the remaining Stormland forces & easily defeat them & Stannis will die in Winterfell like in the show (but not by Brienne). Stannis will likely have to remain in Winterfell after the Boltons defeat since winter will be there in full force by then & the southern soldiers won't be able to march through the snow, that's when Davos returns with Rickon & the mutiny will happen. Sorry I got so off topic but this is a WoW prediction that I wanted to include in this comment since it's somewhat relevant lol
Thank you for another great video! I was always wondering can you make a video about House Velaryon? Or Extincted houses? Frost, Cargyll, Gardener, Reyne?
Bart Allen it is but at the end of the First Blackfyre Rebellion Ser Robb Reyne is one of the men who makes it across the Narrow Sea with Bittersteel. It doesn't take a huge leap in logic to think his branch of the family could have lasted until the present day...
Could you do a video on who should had actually claimed the iron throne after tommen died? Assuming the realm rejected Targaryen rule and Cersei could not put herself on the throne, who realistically has the closest claim in terms of blood and is known throughout the kingdom. Much like how Robert Baratheon was able to claim the throne because his grandfather was married to a Targaryen princess.
Arvin Rao Id say probably the Martells but im not sure. I lost count on how many Targaryens have married women from other houses. In the books probably fAegon even if his a blackfire.
Thing is even Aegon(if the Blackfyre theory is true) is technically a Targaryen since Daemon Blackfyre was legitimised, it's just that he took the Blackfyre name.
Officially, Tommen is a Baratheon (even though we all know who his real father is), so his heir should be whoever is the heir to House Baratheon. Not sure who that is though, given that Renly, Stannis and Shireen are all dead. We haven’t heard about any Baratheon cousins, but perhaps there are some? This is a show scenario. In the books Tommen, Stannis and Shireen are still alive, so Stannis would be first in line to Tommen, Shireen second.
What about that Stark king who sailed out west and never returned. What if they established another kingdom and at the end of the series, all the Starks are dead. The North is overrun with white walkers. And then in the distance, the banners of Stark, Manderly, Bolton, Mormont, Umber, Glover and Karstark wave. They beat back all the White Walkers and restore the north to its former glory
whycreate I imagine that when the Starks defeated the Barrow Kings they put a younger or bastard son in the Lordship of the Barrowlands along with marrying the Barrow Kings daughter and Barrowstark does roll off the tongue. It would fit the pattern at any rate...
Damo2690 they did in modern times, until Robert's Rebellion when they died off with their last Lord Willam. Barbrey "Dustin" was Willam's wife but they had no children so it died. We also have no idea when the Starks bear the Barrow Kings or what happened after that til the Rebellion. Perhaps a House Barrowstark was created and then rebelled as the Greystark's did?
If i remember correctly, there are other distant Robb Stark relatives in the Vale other than Lysa Tully, some female or male Starks married to the major Royce branch not too many time before the start of the series.
I️ feel as another reason the Starks don’t have as big of a branch as other houses is because a lot of the Starks who don’t have titles man the wall and so they never have children.
The fact the North has less money going around than the southern areas doesn't have anything to do with the number of Starks. The Starks still rule over a massive area and would have more than enough to feed and house as many relatives as they like.
Grrm said in an interview that there are starks in barrowtown, white harbour etc but these are distantly related like the Lannisters of Lannisport being distantly related to those of the rock.
actually i expect that they were killing their own cousins to avoid rebellions they were brutal ned was a puppy compared to his ancestors and put into consideration that some of them took the black, the Night's king for example was a stark. and maybe there are other branches but they weren't mentioned and all of the northern houses have few members maybe because of severe weather
our world has shorter durations do we considering my own family as well as my adopted one date back to the first families to rule the kingdoms of Ireland and Scotland thats a dam long time not many left now but their are enough that our family gatherings are insane on an even better note both of them are also related somewhere up the family trees both lost the throne sometime in the dark ages
Starks die in the: womb, crib, cold, random battlefield from wars in the south, north or beyond the wall, wall itself or great hall of a castle. The ones that do survive: inherit winterfell, do their own thing and splinter off into another house or try doing their own thing and die from the cold, wars in the south, north or beyond the wall and treacherous scheme inside the great halls of a castle. Even their words can be roughly translated to "bad times ahead".
That's something that never made sense to me. Family trees get wider and wider as generations go on but all the great lords of Westoros have been around 1000s of years but have very narrow family trees. You would think after 5000 years of male line descendants there would be dozens of different branches across westeros.
Great video....far as i can remember karstark and greystark were the only other branchs to house stark...now i agree...i doubt we will find out about any other possibke branch houses....george martin definetely isnt gonna have time to...yet has been able to put out at least 5 books in the last decade since ADWD was published!!!! This saga began in...well readers got into it in 1996...show came out 1 year(2011) after the last book of the main saga to be published yet came out...honestly...show should have never surpassed the books...martin had 1 hell of a head start...now...now i only say this cause well...he isnt getting any younger...i just hope we get to read the final 2 books...at his pace last 10 years with the main story anyway...im not even sure we will get the last 2...and im not being sarcastic...just wish he woulda finished the main story...then wrote his side stories...
The truth is everyone wants to be a Stark but they just can’t handle ruling the north. “We know no king but the king in the north whose name is Stark.”
after 8000 years everyone in the north would have stark blood lets say that the first Starks began with a husband and wife lets say they had 3 kids and each of there kids had 3 children then lets say a generation was 50 years times 8000 years you can do the math most likely would make everyone on planatos part stark
There r Stark branches but they don't have any claims to Winterfell like how there r Lannisters in Lannisport but they've been far removed from Casterly Rock that they aren't considered the real Lannisters.
The abundance of food dictates the maximum population within an area, and the north being a harsh environment for crops to grow means that there is less food available thus putting a limit on the population. The cold also stands as a filter for babies whether they'll go up into adults or not.
A thousand years is such a long time. That's not really family anymore. Even today after 5 - 6 generations it is nearly impossible to genetically prove relations except for if both parties share a rare genom variation.
