State of Retribution Paladins Review/React | War Within Beta 

Thanks again for the beta updates on ret, really appreciated!

Bolas hit the nail on the head in the wowhead article. And good on him calling out Blizzard's hypocrisy

@LordoftheWarcraft Hey :) Can you help me understand something? How does the new mastery in regards to the judgment part work exactly? I've heard somewhere that the effect with the extra holy damage can only occur on the primary target, even though it doesn't say that. So if you have 3 targets and you cast judgement (with the talent so that it does hit up to 3 targets) and it hits all 3, do all 3 have a chance to proc the extra effect from the new mastery or just the primary target hit by judgment?

Having no reason to bring Ret does feel bad. I dont think absorbing spell warding is the answer though. Honestly, if anything Id prefer like giving Ret like Mass divine steed and everyone gets on a horse 😅

It's not Rets only. Blizzard seems to have something against melee classes

I have been playing the beta for a little over 3 weeks exclusively playing Ret. The talent tree feels so awkward and nothing really synergizes properly alot of our main build is just filler talents that dont matter whatsoever, we are in the same spot we were in S1 of DF. Just existing with no real reason to have us in a PvP or PvE setting.

I don't know why they don't just make Aura Mastery base line to all paladins so that way the raid buff that Paladins bring will be even over all specs of paladin. They can give Holy something else that actually helps them heal but this would guarantee that they are not taken to raid by default over any other spec of Paladin.

Interesting that Bolas likes holy flames and recons it outclasses Blade of vengeance cause if he's the SIM guy then he should release sims to prove it cause for ST its a basic 3% dmg buff but for AOE I cant see how its out pacing blade of vengenace in nearly any scenario. I prefered vanguard of justice and was sad to see it removed, I submitted feed back to them to put vanguard of justice back into talent tree to replace Inquisitor ires node choice and make it 1 point for 30% stacking 3 times, that would be awesome and give pallies that like that talent an option take it back up. thanks for the video.

It's definitely better. However, I have concerns about pvp skills and the lack of changes in defense. Divine Prptection is currently at 10%, this is a joke.

raid buffed I currently have 50% versatility

consecration hase gone is now passiv only for ret :(

They'll nerf ret into the ground again like then did season 1 of dragonflight

I'm DONE with Retri, with the Pala class in general but Retri, specifically, I'm giving up and rerolling for another class, maybe DK because the devs have been giving a lot of things Palas had to them (which is nuts). Holy Power doesn't work, it never works since Cata, and Blizzard never even managed to make it work (and it fucked the rotation permanently). Blessings/Great Blessings and Seals will probably never comeback, and ALL auras came back useless back in SL and instead of making them useful again, they're choosing to remove Retribution Aura (once again). Our talent tree has way too many nonsensical and arbitrary options, having to choose between abilities that were in the BASE spellbook, for no reason other than filling the tree with filler. And now, removing those few meaningful options, like Crusader's Reprieve, and nerfing the more reasonably strong passives like Vengeful Wrath, just makes me feel utterly useless. Retri is in a position where the players are desperate to make it work, make it versatile, and Blizzard is just giving us less and less tools to do it, to the point that the raw DPS is meaningless. The devs are constantly changing their minds with this class design, never maintaining a consistent baseline. I was actually curious to see the Hero Talents, but those changes just pissed me off and it was the final straw for me. I'm not gonna play Retri ever again, unless they finally hear the players and remove Holy Power (at least), or stop that mentality. It's baffling that DK can attack while MOUNTED, and Palas cannot. Screw you, Blizzard.