Stephen A. and Max disagree over Floyd Mayweather's undefeated record | First Take | ESPN 

If Floyd Mayweather beats Conor McGregor, should it count towards his undefeated record?

Max gets that serious face when its a boxing topic lol he knows he knows way more than Steven A on the subject

Mayweather is already 50-0. He defeated the Big Show at WrestleMania 24.

Cringe anytime Stephen A attempts to argue Boxing with Max.

Max Kellerman's boxing knowledge is on point

So if he lose does it count?

Max kellermans the best hands down

max always looking like he about to spit some bars whenever given the opportunity

Max won Unanimous here, Stephen A. was out classed by Max lol Stephen A. is in Maywetaher's pay day. hahaha

If McGregor counts, Then The Big Show should count too.

Why the fuck do they have to speak of it in such a complicated way. It's a boxing match that Mayweather wanted, therefore, whether he wins or loses, it should go on his record. It's that simple

Once Conor got his boxing license, he became a professional boxer. He's no different than Canelo or Mosley. He's entering his first professional fight, but it is a sanctioned and professional fight nonetheless. All the stats in this fight should count and should go on the record of both fighters. Let's say, instead of Conor, Floyd fought a no name amateur making his pro debut. That would still be counted as a professional fight and it would count as Floyd having a 50-0 record. Just because it's a pro debut doesn't mean it doesn't count. People only call this fight an "exhibition" because of how lopsided they feel this fight will be. This isn't Thunderlips vs Rocky. Conor isn't stepping into the ring barefoot wearing 4 oz gloves.

Max is 1000% correct. 50-0 will be legit but has nothing to do with the heavyweight record. There are fighters below heavyweight that retired undefeated and some that had more than 50 wins.

Anyone else really happy that boxing is becoming big on First Take?

Stephen A. Smith You are a CLOWN!

I remember as a child you couldn't pay me to sit and watch sport discussions but now I watch it religiously and always find myself intrigued.

Dayum, I agree with max on the one.

so then should it be 49-1 if he should lose??? then it shouldn't count either way....

Anyone can tell me what's the name of the song at 0:50?

SAS has that "I think I know everything" voice in this video. He always thinks he knows everything, but he only speaks in this tone sometimes

Floyd may be an undefeated fighter but clearly he's not the Greatest of all time. 🤭

Sometimes numbers are just a numbers

so if Conor somehow ko's Mayweather, everyone would want that loss to be on his professional record.

max is right

You ever tried counting how many times Max blinks when he listening to someone else talk......

What song is that

Finito lopez 51-0 retired as champion in the 90s

I bet if Floyd were to lose, every one will say he should be 49-0

Well the point both Max and Steven A. are missing (which surprises me given that they are supposedly boxing experts) is that 50-0 is not really a record. Marciano's 49-0 is the longest undefeated streak only in the heavyweight division. The longest record in all of boxing is 87-0 set by Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. Chavez went 87-0 before having a draw, then went 91-0-1 before finally losing a fight, plus there have been several previous champions with more than 50 wins on their resume prior to losing. As I said, 49-0 is only the heavyweight record. Floyd can't touch that because he's never competed at heavyweight. He doesn't qualify to chase the Marciano record due to not competing in that weight class and at age 40 he will never catch Chavez at 87-0. I can't believe how Max, a supposed boxing expert doesn't get that.

I don't really get how Mayweather fans do numbers but I guess it's the illiteracy thing since 0 is the only number you're familiar with... birds of a feather do flock together. Ask about Julio César Chávez, Willie Pep, Jimmy Wilde look at the numbers then come back and make that noise!

I agree with Max he used facts

Pacquiao at 42, is scheduled to fight on August 21, 2021 against the undefeated / unified WBC & IBF 147lbs champion E. Spence Jr an eleven years younger. They're fighting for the "Lineal', Ring plus WBA, WBC, IBF titles. Spence is much taller, has longer reach, way bigger, heavier. And he's the current # 1 in the Welterweight plus the # 5 in the Pound for Pound best as of June 25, 2021.

Are they fighting for the belt?

I've only heard the media count this as #50.

depends on how good the fight is...

i don't think this one is how you feel if it should count or not, it just is what it is. correct me if im wrong but its a sanctioned event with signed contracts so it is a real fight and it should count. Is this being promoted as an exhibition?

Max definitely earns this paycheck, he's a knowledgeable SOB

This is my whole ordeal with this, Rocky had a real padded record and there's many facts on that. Floyd had come back fights with guys that were tune up fights and would fight the champ the next fight. Rocky would face bums fight after fight and there are stories on some fighters taking dives. Floyd doesn't have that kind of history with questionable losses other than maybe a fight that was very close and he gave him a rematch to just shut him up.

Max over there lookin like the undertaker 😂

Julio Caesar Chavez fought cab drivers

Stephen A: I respectfully disagree with you .. totally. 😐

1:25 exactly why I believe it counts as a 50th win, 100% agree with max

It don't matter if he deserves it or not if he wins he will have it end of conversation.

Steven a is correct. This event is a disgrace and an insult to all boxers

MAX STOP BLINKING!!

Alot of those all time greats from back in the day faught guys who were making there 1st pro debut or fighting guys with losing records...Sugar Ray Robinson faught like 31-32 different fighters that were below 500 fighters or making there pro debuts... Thats not even counting guys who had double digit losess...

Based on what was said is it accurate to say if he loses it doesn't count?

Max, we love you.

why does kellerman blink 3 times a second lol

regardless of the circumstances its a pro fight, win or lose it counts

How do you disagree with max kellerman when it comes to boxing

Did Randy get a W vs Toney? Yes.. Nuff said

There's no way it should count. Like Stephen A. Smith said Connor is not even a boxer, so to me I don't think it should count.

If your first fight counts, as the beginning of your professional career, your last fight should count as well even if its being against a first timer professional boxer, who by the is the an elite UFC fighter.

Everybody always goes against mayweather ever since he started boxing, and he always prove people wrong. I don't know how people hate greatness. 50-0

It should count! Anytime Floyd Steps in the ring AND FIGHTS IN A Professional Licensed Contest It Should count. Because on any give day he can lose... So, if you count the loses, you most definitely have to count the wins....

Why wouldn't this fight count tf

Thank you Max!!!!!! 100%

Whether it should or shouldn't it does. It's on the books. Its a sanctioned boxing match.

Stephen (and Marciano jr.) are correct in saying that this outcome should not effect either of their records because of the obvious.

I shouldn't have counted.

Rocky jr just wants the rematch to happen, he wanted floyd to hit the bait

Mayweather’s fight against the Big Show on WWE should count.

Quick question, aren't they in the same building? Why tf they doing this split screen crap?

chavez sr fought 45 bums in mexcio

Floyd changed the game to where if you have a loss on your record your a scrub lol

Randy couture fought James toney

He cannot compare himself to rocky Marciano anyway, Rocky had 43 wins by knockout, therefore a better record !!

I agree it counts but max completely missed on comparing a pro-debut of a guy who won an Olympic in boxing to a guy making his pro-debut and is an MMA... Totally missed it there

They don't wanna count it because it may be used as an argument in case Floyd loses the fight, which I don't think he will. (50-0 or 49-1 a fight is a fight.)

So by Stephen A. logic, Randy Cotoure win against James Toney doesn't count because Toney wasn't a MMA fighter.

If you count a loss then you have to count a win as well. If Floyd wins he should be recognised as 50-0

Marciano fought his own brother before! Floyd's going to be 50-0.

Going to 50 for fighting an MMA fighter that's crazy I can't believe this shit Mayweather stealing every casual money.

people talk all this shit about floyds record but he fought his fights in america every other so called undefeated fighter like chavez,duran,canelo majority of their fights was not in america so im not sayin they wouldnt be undefeated i just kno they wouldnt have that many fights on their record

He's applauding his unbeaten wrecked

If that's the case then if Floyd lose should it count. This should go both ways

I don't think people should put these records in one box. Max is right because majority boxing rankings don't put Marciano in top 5 and sometimes not even top ten all-time because of his mediocre competition compared to others. It should just be about top Middleweight boxers and top Heavyweight boxers, regardless of record beacuse alot of fights are questionable

All yall responding we gone see what yall really made of when the time right we all see how crazy shit really getting

The comparisons that Max used to rationalize this are both ridiculous and disgraceful.

So If Floyd loses should it be 49-1 or should we just block that out as well. Just asking?

Compare any of the tomato cans Marciano beat compared to Conor. It should count.

49 - 1, it's just what's going to happen... The world will see Saturday...

the real question comes if his record goes to 49-1

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Ok if it doesn't count to 50-0, then it shouldn't count as 49-1 if he loses

Floyd he lost five times but the judges something wrong

Beautifully said by both guys 👍

50-0

If you are undefeated, it only means that you didn't have the balls to fight better opponents. There is no such thing as an undefeated or perfect fighter. Greatness doesn't come from being undefeated, it comes from facing adversity and overcoming it. Floyd hasn't bothered to take on the best at their best (ie. Pacquiao, Mosely, Marquez, etc)....were all out of their primes or certain conditions they had to meet that diminished their levels (ie see Marquez and how much weight he had to put on in such a short time...he looked fat...then look at him later vs pacquiao how he was ripped and on roids). Floyd ducked a lot of great fights out there....he should have taken on a prime Sergio Martinez and GGG.

Flip side of that is If ( big if) F.M. losses ...will the haters count it as a loss? 🤔

Marciona fought at heavy weight.. much harder to do.. than the light weight or feather weight or batam weight divisions..

But if he loses the fight then yall gonna wanna count it on his record 😒😒😒

Molly looks so different now

Stephen A. should not be talking about boxing.

Stephen A is a casual boxing reporter who is an basketball analysis

Should have been counted as an exhibition fight

His w against big show at wrestlemania should count 😂

It's gonna count as a 1 in the defeat section...

Why is steven a acting like McGregor is a slouch like he isn't a trained seasoned fighter