I am going to provide an alternative perspective on Battleships. The best PvE crew is Pike/Moreau/Chen. Chen nullifies energy weapon damage. Explorers have all energy weapons. With a Battleship's massive Hull, PMC and the advantage of triangle, they can grind explorer hostiles for days on a single hull. That makes Battleships highly efficient PvE grinders. Depending on the grind, avoiding an extra warp will offset any time savings from a better impulse speed.
The number one bad thing about Battleships is they are so damn slow. Unless your short on speedups and materials to repair your better with a Interceptor or Explorer as otherwise the speed penalty makes the daily grind even more unbearable.
I like this video. It's long but comprehensive. If I had this when I was coming up it would have saved me a lot of hassle. Thank you stranger for making this. Wish we could travel the world together, but you said my Newton is worthless and that hurt my feelings. 😂😂😂
Yes, I did watch the whole Video.. lol Thanks much for all the work you put into things and your Insights.. It does make planning ahead so much better... I would not be so down on the miners since, they are especially crucial to the game economy... But I see you are spot on with a lot of your picks... Planning ahead is the best thing you can do in this game since it is more about the Economy ( Making Spenders Spend) Than anything else... "Live Long and Prosper"
I think the Vidar Talios should be S tier, but other than that a good list. Voyager is nice for its range but ultimately has a long ass grind to go with it to level it up so I'd rate it lower for that reason.
Great video - very worth watching, and I watched the whole thing, despite most of it not being relevant to me for years to come (if I'm even still playing by then). A few notes / my opinions as a current Ops 27 player; My Franklin is way faster to repair than doing the same with an explorer available to me at the moment... It does my swarm dailies with 1x 30min repair speedup, a single trip - which is bugger all (and less than any other ship I have). Not sure if it was changed or something, but I had a different experience than you describe at least after it had a few teirs into it (I was doing my dailes with the Vahklas b4 it was good enough, but that was costing me far more repair speed ups despite the fact my vahklas was teir 6; was no need to take it past 5 honestly, but it was my carry ship until I got the Vi'dar at ops 25; the franklin past it in efficiency well before teir 6 itself). The Franklin took over the role of being what I use for swarm at about Ops 25, when it became tired enough to do all the swarm dailes within one hull. Not to mention wasting any more into upgrading the vahklas is a complete waste of resources (since been scrapped). Personally, I would skip the Kumari and just do the Vahklas a bit over it; reason being, you should get the Vi'dar soon afterwards if you played your cards right, and it is a solid do everything ship till you get a 28 faction ship (or hell even skip the 28s if you want, which I know some people have done, though more questionable...), and that's a much better ship to put your time and resources into; you get the Vahklas sooner, and its a decent swarm daily/event killer til you get your franklin upto snuff, and will handle the faction dailies easily enough too til the Vi'dar comes on line. No idea where you are getting the "like 12 hour repair" info from (maybe that was changed?), mines is a fresh teir 6 right now (no gear upgrades and not leveled from teir 5 yet) and even destroyed on purpose as a test (because even doing the swarm event on Monday/Sunday is not a full hull); the repair is 59m45sec, Compared to my Vidar (also teir 6) which is a 2hr30min repair bill full hull. ----------- The botany bay has a second 'trick' you missed - its a much better raider than the envoy (higher max capacity, significantly - I have a teir 6 horizon atm so I use that now, but my teir 7 botbay (which is easy to upgrade to by ops 25) has +106% more max cargo than a maxed Envoy; not until the horizon is tired up a bit will you have a better raider (then of course the infamous Amalgam at 31). Sure that's a minor use case to a lot of people; but its something overlooked all too often in the mid 20s. Seeing people raiding with envoys in incursions is just silly when they have that botbay just sitting there. ---------- You'll want to grab one of either the rom/kling lvl26 ships at OPs 26 for stealth dailies; no need to teir it, but worth grabbing one (with the stealth unlock stuff too). I don't see any reason not to personally (unless you are paying out to skip to higher Ops), the are the cheapest ships to stealth with, and you might as well get started on that grind at 26 for the research alone. The problem with throwing resources into a 26 ship is the vi'dar easily carries you to 28 and beyond; mine at Ops 27 (with still a decent amount of building and research to go, and still on that stella grind is 788k power - it takes a lot of 3star resources to get a lvl26 ship to there, that would be better saved for a 28 ship.) The Vi'dar you should be working on anyway. ---- Main problem with the Saladin - not that its not clearly the best of the 28 ships as a ship, it is, but that it takes so much crystal to upgrade. Which as a FTP player you really should take into consideration as the crystal load is a serious impediment to upgrading stuff in the late 20s/earlymid 30s. In that way its kinda in the same boat as the Mayflower - IF you were planning to stay lower ops level for longer periods they are the best investment, but they will slow you down if you don't. Its certainly a question to consider on that front; but you probably wouldn't regret the Saladin if you go that route either.
i agree on lv26 faction ship lv28 faction ship i went centurion dont regret it not saying sally is a bad ship i just see crystal been a massive hindrance why i went centurion on my main i got all lv32 faction ships totally regret it and cant scrap till high ops40+on miners envoy the first real miner dunno why he put fortunate and orion in C they should be in F on horizon you will have that for a long time the amalgam the cons is slow mining speed but more cons not just good in PVP raiding but mining to there are few ways to get you get one from cosmic cleanup store or purchase it or in a battle pass event store you can only get 50 BPs so takes two BPES to get a full copy i think having at least 3 amalgams are great but everyone is different the amalgams can easily last till the late ops40+ faction miners thats just what i learned in my time playing im ops37 and i believe my centurion can do my dailys easy and i have the enterprise i also have a F2P account im about a few weeks into taking my time on it op13 ideally want a T3 chan and Tlaan and as high as i can get next gen la forge and beverly for my PVE pike is a grind
good video, good explanation of the ships 👍 I agree to the Defiant. a very limited ship. don' underestimate the Mantis. I use it even as daily faction grinder. as Mantis is according to the Borg Cube better in range and strength.
Cerritos is my fav 2nd ship for waves. after a while it does decent damage, plus allowing you to buff yourself and alliance people during waves is unmatched. (im also a 39 camper with a t8 cerritos). using things like max fortify/cerritos buff are often overlooked. as long as your ship doesn't blow up, the buff stays.. so if you're say.. grinding SOL, just go live in Wolf and recall at low hp instead of blowing up.
I think Voyager might be S tier for the refinery, farming huge amount of messages, and especially the ability to punch up on armada credits with support from your high level alliance members.
Cant comment on ships i cant reach as ops 44 but below you got most things right. North star is absolute junk except for a few ops levels which you should rush through anyway. Faction miners in the 30:s holds back your ops progression imho. Sarcophagus actually helped me get Voyager on my baby account, used Tal vs the hirogen elites which cut down the horrible grinding time so would put it up one notch just for that but the change towards isolytic in pvp makes it weak on nodes nowadays. Stella, Amalgam, Meridian and actually Botany bay is not bad to have two of each. Saves time..
Nice list, but disagree about the Defiant been put in C, would have it in B as the refinery is a life saver for materials and ship parts in the 40s. Enjoyed the video and very informative
Yeah, I separated that part a bit because while the Defiant is associated, you don't actually need to use the defiant at all to do those Solo Armadas and get the chests from that Bajoran Store
This is what people often will say, and repairing it is cheaper, but I found it also died faster, so you'd need to repair it more often which negated the cheapness part.
Disagree on the lvl 26 ships, you're going to want to get either a D3 or Legionary to unlock cloaking and cloaking research vs the Mayflower. Plus you want to save those credits for the G3 epic Enterprise.
Yeah, I didn't mention in the video, but I probably just wouldn't get cloaking at all that low, 'cause you're not going to be using those ships very long
@@EnderSword a D3 (or other ops26ship) without tiers can work wonders in territory takeover. Cloaking is cheap, it can easily take the cheap miners down that people tend to send. And to top it off when it's tier1, you can insta repair with neglectable lat amounts without getting a latinum warning message popping up. 😊 Still use it while being ops55.
Talios will grow into a very high power ship due to her strong health but for the 30s,40s defiant has the better range and far better firing sequence which makes her the best pvp ship for Carol crew I was re-living the glory days of Saladin hitting twice my size at incursion and my victims didn't know what happened 😂
i know its old but the augur is a great ship for armadas and wave defense with the right crew, try kirk spock kahn..its the last that you will use it in 3 star, but it will take you where you need to go till the 4 star ships
Augur was great when the strike team first introduced nothing less than 200% her size could stand in her way now that Carol is a norm battleship becomes the worst pvp ship but it's still good at pve , armada and a cheap repair ship for xindi hunt vs using g4
my plan on my recently new F2P account is on faction ships go legion then centurion you can see the pattern not much crystal on those ships then enterprise and legion and centurion are rom so il be able to save my fed credit for enterprise miners envoy then horizon then 3 amalgams can get legion in event store of a battle pass same as centurion i think centurion takes 2 of them BPES
lol, I guess, game's kind of moved on from that a lot, shouldn't bother investing in cloak or even doing any of those dailies until much later. Things like that can just be a drain on faction credits
i strongly disagree with your choice of lv26 faction ships mayflower is the worst you can use a vahklas while working on your franklin instead D3 ya ok but legion i would put B i strongly regret getting the mayflower on my main i dont regret the legion or D3
