most people dont use leg extension as a replacement for the squat they just impliment it into their workout. Your idea of how many people only use leg extension over squat is scewed by social media. for someone thats breaking out of the fitness matrix u sure seem to be stuck in it
Hi Martin. I think this video raises completely valid points about both of these exercises having very little functional carryover. However, I think you also are taking them out of context. From my 2 years of lifting experience for both myself and people I see at the gym, people typically do these machine exercises at the end of their workouts to satisfy that demand for a little bit of extra volume. I totally agree that compound/functional movements should be the priority, but that's obviously for the beginning of a lifting session when the muscles are the least exhausted and can create maximal force production.
I mean in freestyle wrestling leg curls and hamstring curls are functional for that sport. There may be better movements for leg curls but hamstring curls replicate the strength of defending a leg lace pretty well. You’re right overall though
@@appleboss9742 according to Mario its the principle of specificity. A lying hamstring curl and extension will build strength in the same range of motion somebody gets you in a leg lace with. Although it was just a counter example as to why they could be useful they certainly don't replace zerchers as they are another good sport specific movement for wrestling.
@@bds9203 no I can't with a leg extension you have much more pressure on the patella pendix something you don't have in a squat. Even more dum you don't use your core and you are just gonna fall over like a weak ass bodybuilder. I train atlethic cus it is better for what I want to do. But you do you
"When in real life are you floating in the air extending your legs" Brave thing to say while wearing a football jersey. As for leg curls, knee flexion strength is one of the biggest protective factors for avoiding hamstring injury while sprinting. Particularly eccentric knee flexion which in sprinting occurs OKC.
Comparing that to soccer is a stupid comparison. First of all, you’re not “floating” in soccer 😂 you have one leg on the ground and you are forced to engage your core and stabilize your body. Second kicking a soccer ball is primarily core not knee extension. Looks at a soccer player kick the ball there is very little knee extension. And I did mention that knee flexion is good to avoid hamstring injuries which is why I recommended Nordic curls, sliding hamstring curls, and stability ball hamstring curls. If you’re gonna try and come at me at least make valid points 😂 your first one was laughable.
@@MartinRiosFit The leg that is kicking the ball is performing open-chain knee and hip flexion, the two primary actions of the Rec Fem. It's called the kicking muscle for a reason. While A) You'll never match the velocity of a kick with a Leg Extension and B) There's no Hip Flexion during a Leg Extension a leg extension meets the demands of kicking a ball significantly better than squats or lunges. If you get your Rec Fem stronger with Leg Extensions, you know what will make you kick the ball harder... Kicking the soccer ball. And again, Nordics are a great exercise for injury prevention. But they're not magic either, but Leg Curls can be just as good when used appropriately. The injury prevention benefits of the Nordic are generally proposed to be due to muscle fascicle length increases, which are best achieved with supra-maximal eccentrics in or towards the Lengthened position of the muscle. Most people aren't able to maintain eccentric control through a Nordic, completely missing out on the Lengthened position. A 2 legs up 1 leg down protocol is an easy way to hit supra-max eccentrics on a leg curl, while also allows you to train unilaterally to expose any potential imbalances between legs. The difference between you and actual strength and conditioning professionals is they don't demonise training methodologies outright. They weigh up the costs and benefits and use/exclude them when appropriate. Same with straps, Smith Machines, etc. It's not always the case, but they have their place in S&C a lot more often than you give them credit for.
Do you have big legs? They stand out of your body is a body part that makes people look at you? I hope the answer is yes, if not, i think you should stop watching this channel.
Open chain means when you don't have a constraint on the final movement and close chain means when you have a constraint on the final movement. So pull ups, Squats, bench press are open chain exercises and lat pull downs, leg press, leg extenision, smith machine bench press are close chain exercises.
They're like a chest fly an isolation movement you do them as a supplement movement not a main movement if you are using them as a main movement that's when there's a problem
Man being against Leg Extensions and Hamstring Curls is like being against Bicep Curls and Tricep Extensions or Pressdowns. There is more to bodybuilding than "being functional/athletic" dude. Is that important? Yes! Is that the end all be all? No! I say this as someone who supersets leg extensions with sissy squats and supersets leg curls with nordic curls.
I see you always make video on MMA, but is it possible you could do one on boxing? Would like to know what type of squat variation and depth would be optimal for boxers and everything else. Thanks!
Leg extension is great for athleticism when it comes to kicking in any sport. In martial arts, being able to extend the knee quickly and powerfully, you are at a great advantage
@@pixel3042 You can get tired of course. But the squat movement is clearly harder than curling your legs. Plus it just doesnt work the quads, but other muscles
Dude, you understand that compounds will always be harder than isolation exercises? Thanks fook that squats are harder than leg extensions, you got a ton of axial fatigue and work a ton of different muscles, not just the quads
Nordic Curls don’t initially build muscle properly since you’re not going to be strong at the movement but once you’re strong at it and can properly overload it, it’s as good as a hamstring curl machine. Also any split squat really helps target the lateral glute which could be a limiting factor or can start causing pain in the future with certain exercises.
training obliques does make your waist blockier(they certainly made mine blockier), but it's worth the abs definition it gives you imo. At the end of the day, Obliques is near mandatory for martial arts and if you even somewhat prioritze it to aesthetics it's a no-brainer
Martin should I change the fact that im targeting every muscle group in 1 workout instead of targeting one muscle in a whole workout? I don't use barbells or something like that because I just do calisthenics instead of lifting weights since I don't like doing that atm
You shouldn't target every muscle in one workout if your goal is to build muscle. Since you do calisthenics, you can still just do weighted calisthenics. Kinda like weighted pullups, weighted dips, etc
@@justjoshingyou0 oh 100% agreed. I just like did some sissy squats passed couple of weeks and started getting knee problems and when i stopped it went away haha
@@justjoshingyou0 Hack Squats still won't hit Rec Fem, as their is still some degree of hip Extension occuring during the concentric phase of the exercise.
Martin, I have a question. Can I do both leg extensions/leg curls and squat in the same workout.?I want to do both machines and free weight/functional excercies in the same workout.
@@chiefdouble6891 “what’s the point of building muscle if you can’t do anything with it” most people aren’t athletes bro. and i don’t even wanna hear that “oh i play this sport (which this style of training hasn’t even affected) and thanks to these guys i run and jump faster” or some bs like that.
To the athletic god leon edwards, please forgive me. I have used the leg extension one time, and now i can't even stand up because my core has completely atrophied. People, the athletic god, exists and we must repent our sins by sitting in the dark sourrounded by a bunch of candles whilst we watch a video of leon edwards twerking. AMEN
lil bro sound like a chihuahua and looks like a distance runner who does some curls on the weekend when he’s been training for 6 years. in contrast, GVS has been training for 10 years and knows far more and if you couldn’t tell is a bit bigger. imma stick to doing my stupid bodybuilder movements.
He's not trying to get any bigger but you're right. He's still struggling with 225 on bench even after 6 years of training. I wouldn't want that happen to me.
It just doesnt make anysense because you it only build big muscles and useless strength i prefer with core and stabilizer so i can get good body and useful strength
@@Bunchyemu when are you ever lying and bench pressing something in “real life”? when are you ever squatting down past a half squat position in “real life”?
@@justjoshingyou0 well 1. Bench press develops good overall pushing power which is advantageous in sports and overall everyday functionality 2. You’re right. You aren’t usually going past a half squat in real life, so that’s why full ROM squats are pointless for functionality It’s also the fact that heavy compound movements improve neural mind muscle connection throughout the body and transfer outside the gym
