Strange answers to the psychopath test | Jon Ronson | TED 

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I unsubscribed and set RU-vid to not notify me of your videos because of crap like this video.

there's a term for that in psychology, self-fulfilling prophecy, you can show it by providing positive and negative feedbacks to people's goals and see what happens

That’s not a problem , ain’t nobody be telling someone that everyday for 14 years my guy

@@mello3762 there is no need to say anything when you lock them up in a psychiatric ward and won't let them leave. That brings the message across well enough.

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there is like a thing that if a doctor or somebody that you trust says that if you take a pill or something it will actually have an affect even if the pill does nothing idk what it is called like if you say: what is that smell it smells so bad. and like hold your nose people will think it will smell

Lol

HOLY GOD-

That would have been awesome

Woah

I've looked at this comment for about 3 minutes or not, and I'm still not sure if this is a Death Note reference or not lol.

In some cases you would be right...in others, many of us would be wandering lost in a fog looking for someone to lead us.

Reality is everything is sjhades of grey. Not black and white

I wonder how many find this confidence in diagnosis and prescription to be ironically simplistic...

That's why I'm anti LGBT

He has several very interesting books, he mingles with extremists, for example, to understand their point, which I respect greatly

Nah, he just left that out because then it'd be too obvious /s

eiebsrebla no comments?

@@swift3602 Idk man, apparently you didn't have anything to say besides 'No comments?' either. So I guess there's not much to say.

jesus didnt

@@Aliens-Are-Our-Friends2027 Exist?

edward monroe: JESUS CHRIST is, amongst historians, thought to have nearly certainly existed.

Like a sideshow Bob laugh 😂

Nope, they were the one laughing out the loudest:)

Actually most psychopaths dont even know they are

It's other that cinsider them as such, that Is the strange thing to understand

Psychopath's mostly blend in with the crowd to appear normal, so they'd probably laugh the loudest in the crowd.

Actually thank u, that will help me too in the very near future

sounds like it’d be a really good presentation. i’d be entertained the whole time if i was hearing this story for the first time in class.

Al Dunlap prob needs that mansion to affirm he is smarter than the rest of the world. A psychopath needs nothing to convince themselves they are smarter than the rest of the world. Oil painting too.

How did the presentation go?

was it a school presentation? hope you got a good grade 😊

The Rosenhan experiment! "On Being Sane in Insane Places" !!!

If you read Jon Ronson’s book, The Psychopath Test, he references that study. This talk is just a flavour of what is an equally excellent read.

@@smartugs1 okay, that's going my reading list. Thanks for the tip.

Rosenhan Experiment?

@@smartugs1Rosenhan Experiment?

catch 22 right there

666th like, hail satan.

when people think you are sane it is easier to convince them you are crazy than it is when they think you are crazy and you are trying to convince them you are sane

When i read this i see the meme with the 2 girls yelling and the cat at the table😂😂

Narcissists are easy. They love admitting they're narcissists, for the most part.

I kid you not i read that at the exact time he said it.

that's crazy me too

I LOVE THAT QUOTE

i can relate... According to, Wikipedia, i'm a sociopath with antisocial personality disorder, but i think i'm in that grey area

Weak quote... Replace "Grey area" with pretty much any negative word and boom! You're a philosopher.

Makes you wonder how the DSM will continue to evolve in the coming decades!

Everything, really.

Racism isnt a grey area

@@firstname7480 how does racism have anything to do with this now?

Honestly just the whole Internet. People view others as 'you're human, I agree with you, you can't be wrong' or 'you're a monster, I hate you, everything you do is wrong.' People need to see others as human.

You just quoted Mark Twain.

Ask trump or markle‼️

Perfect to describe the world lately.

Brandolini's law

Anime People Mark Twain said "it is easier to fool people than to convince people they've been fooled".

i didnt

i didnt

@@lunavyz901 ...ok...

Spirituality is for crazy people.

I actually repeated it, whispered out loud. Felt that too.

I'm sorry, either I missed it, or that didn't explain how they claimed they heard voices.

@@Kisamon I think it's just worded a little confusingly. The subjects claimed they heard voices in order to get into the hospitals. Once inside, they acted normally, but the nurses recorded their normal behavior as schizophrenic behavior.

I think they also took notes about their experiences and the staff wrote they “exhibited note taking behavior”, whereas the patients said “you’re faking aren’t you?”

@@KisamonYou could also have a look at the study yourself.

Spot on

It doesn't work well in most situations I would even say

so then its not a dream

savage but well played

😂

yikes i wish i didnt relate

liked this post, notice it was at 69, unliked

- The Grandaddy of live action anime.

Crazy people don't think there crazy, I think I'm crazy, therefore I'm not. Crazy ey? -M. Smith.

"The only difference between a poor man and me is that I print my own money." Salvador Dali.

We need easier explanation but beautifully stated

Wannabe phycopaths be like:

Psychiatry unfortunately has the same issue as medical sciences do: people will join for the sake of having control over others. I'm glad you found someone who joined to genuinely help :)

I know exactly what you’re talking about only it was, painfully, a series of custody evaluations for my daughter. Where we live they strive for even parenting unless you can prove or they find something egregious. I found so many of the professionals toeing that line that they actually changed, omitted or just lied on reports in order to make us both equal.

Going for a walk one a month doesn't qualify.

@@TheDendra7 What on Earth are you talking about?

@@TheDendra7 why not? besides they said “daily life” so I’d assume it means they go on walks *daily*

I was forced will have too be forced again if needed I'm not spirit again f all psychology unless I'm learning about it or dealing with the practiced elders and medication s.

I like Leonard Cohen's line "there is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in". For me it means that truth can be found between the theories, the logic, the systems, in the unquantifiable bits of life that are ignored.

Where**

I'm sorry, but I haven't understood why the grey area is where we can find *humanity* yet. Can someone explain it for me 🤔

@@vchankobuonloi7013 here take my example, bad and good human behavior is depend on the situation, the rough situation : killing people is bad, why would you kill people without reason? Is it good if you had a reason? You know what? Idk you why I bother to answer your question? Are you even real? F you. Alright why I'm mad at you? I'm sorry. Your welcome.

@@skuyliving8889 5head explainations

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In his book he writes about that. Psychopaths don’t know their psychopaths and anyone who says their crazy is not.

I'm a serial commenter. I respond when you least expect it. Tick me off and i will comment until you can't any more. I can't help it but it feels good.

@@gdolphy hi

you're crazy

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Yeah wow powerful line

Yeah I edged for like 40min once I wonder how long this beast did.

what is edge? in the translate say is a border. can someone explain uwu

@@orianabecerra9217 it means that he wanted to judge him by the most extreme parts of his personality

Unfortunately, Jon's always looked like a geek, no self-respecting psychopath would choose that.

@@Demiglitch But then wouldn't that be the best way to hide your psychopathy?

So basically you stole the number one comment and played with it, are you a psychopath ?

@Daniel Watanajarukij but also cunning lol

Daniel Watanajarukij Remember how smart they can be, they would take that hit to the ego.

Also the more you would ask to leave or try to convince them you weren’t crazy then they would literally tell you to your face the more you ask the longer they make you stay. So by the 4th day I just stopped crying and talking to the staff

Wow - just being forced to go there in the first place must’ve been scary. The people that work there maybe were once patients.

No they didn’t tell you that, you thought they were telling you that and you may need to listen instead of overlaying other folks attempts to communicate with your own assumptions and ideas. How can you hear when your own voice drowns everyone else out?

@@morganj7734 So sorry you experienced that! That is literally my nightmare. Good wishes to you!

​ @Adzes Gaslighting & Trolling in one, + bonus points for hypocrisy and lack of self-insight. Congrats, I guess?🏆👺🏆

This assessment is not wrong. It only scratches the surface, but... it's not wrong. Humans are, however, running short on something which they have no control over (and never did)... "Time is the only resource for which no creature may bargain." 🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨ --Diamond Dragons (book 1)

Capitalism huh? So much so with the other one as well.

Says Ron Johnson who is likely highly paid by corporate sponsors for his work. BS

Nothing wrong with playing the system.

@@jmdoza3938 "the other one"? You believe there's only one option other than capitalism?

Those bees are like: Screw honey. All my homies hate honey. We out here smoking gunpowder.

Bees have the best smell in the world. Way better than dogs

Why cldnt it be mosquitos

Plot twist: He's Tony. Jon actually did go to the bar, and Tony killed him, and assumed his identity.

diagnosis: believes bees can smell explosives

IDK, I actually score very low on every points.

@@Tamizushi Yeah, but that's what a psychopath would say...

​@@TheC-O-D-Y-Project Not really. Psychopaths are often quite happy to brag about every single ones of their psychopathic traits.

@@Tamizushi no they don't because they don't wanna be separate from the crowd they want to be a part of it so that they aren't called out, their scared of their imperfections because it shows them they're just like everyone else and bursts their bubble of grandiosity as it brings them down to the level of a normal human

R N You are assuming psychopaths act rationally. We aren't talking about a hypothetical pathology right now. What I'm telling you is that actually, in real life, when psychopaths are asked about their psychopathic behaviors, they tend to be quite unapologetic about it. They brag about it. I'm not saying they say "I'm a psychopath", I'm saying if, for example, you ask them if there are ever ashamed of anything, they will say "never", and so on.

pretty good. i watched twice.

I recommend his book, The Psycopath Test... very very good

Definitely one of the best speakers!

Agreed

He admits it, but then proceeds to present an outlier and a very specific case in order to further his pointless point of "Every one's a little bit psychopathic". It takes a smart man to admit he's wrong, and a good man to actually do something to correct himself.

@@darwinjaevidavin8916 He purposefully provided examples that pushed in both directions so as to not present any conclusion.

Bragging about intentionally being deceptive is the trait if a good person? Really? Or is it more psychopathic?

@@TheBuddyLama I think you are reading too much into it. All Journalists look for sensationalism to sell their writing. You don't hear about all the days a nuclear power plant is doing just fine. You hear about that time one of their pumps malfunctioned. If you write a book about someone, you won't write about his days were nothing happens. He is saying that his job is to look for things to write about, which happen to be when things are off or wrong or exceptional. And that having this incentive if followed to obsessively can be very deceptive for those listening. Just look at media today, all news channels on the planet suddenly got obsessed with finding sensationalism to the point where they want something horrible to happen so that they can write about it.

A bit like what lawyers do.

Emily Herbert.. I would call that nutty, but because someone on the prison library staff thought it okay, it was okay. This the real craziness that goes on. Jon Ronson is so right, our society today cannot deal with grey areas.

People should be aware that not all psychopaths in a prison are the ones that are behind bars.

Um psychopaths aren't exactly known for their honesty lol

Good observation, that one had slipped by me, having a Ted Bundy biography in a prison library is insane.

@@daisyloumisakidondu6159 Neither are people in general. Everyone lies, as Dr. House says.

Exactly. I have ADHD. No question about it. I found out at 22 and it really put a lot into perspective. I always described myself as lazy, stupid, burnout. Turns out I have a mind that requires constant stimulation. I am doing better now. I am none of those things I thought I was. I am nicer to myself. I am less anxious and resentful and outwardly upset since I figured out what was wrong. I'm doing more to grow as a person now. The ADHD isn't going to define me, but the label helped me. Thanks for sharing. The labels can be harmful or useful. It's best we all reflect on them.

@@hobosnake1 me too, thank you for writing your experience :)

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BlackManiaGaming "No, I won't have the drink with you bc I suffer from generalized anxiety disorder and dude you're kinda making me feel anxious!" Lol He TOTALLY should've had the drink with Tony imo. For a thousand really good reasons in favor, which one or two reasons against the idea could never gain validity over. If I was this guy, I'd do everything I can to find Tony and have the meet up. My situation had contributed to me losing touch with tons of people and connections in my life, and it SUCKS to let that happen! EVER.

U from Ireland or Scottland? :D

Boring www.

XD

The lady that sat up and adjusted her legs didn’t laugh and it def sent off red flags 😂

Upstream53 ........irrelevant?

If I laugh evilly at that part thinking it'd be fun, what does that mean🤔

the doors of perception def normal 😂

one person at the back row: *excited laughter*

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Something a psychopath would argue, a rationalization. Did you even bother to look at a list of traits for psychopaths before writing that? A couple of key traits: a lack of empathy, especially for the suffering of others; cruelty, in particular to those weaker, smaller, more vulnerable. These together constitute a constant potential to murder or torture other living things. You wrote it yourself "...an inherent trait that cannot be cured".

@@guitarszen I agree it’s not a good thing- there’s a reason it’s a diagnosis and not just a character trait. About 1% of the U.S. population has psychopathy. That being said- your list of traits is partially incorrect. What was described in this video is a set of traits associated with Psychopathy, but the DSM defines it as being “callously unemotional.” This can result in a diverse set of other traits and issues, however, things like cruelty or violence are not guaranteed. Psychopathy is considered a risk factor for violence, but it is ONLY a risk factor. My point is that people should be institutionalized only when their mental illness has gone beyond their ability to manage it in such a way that endangers their life or the lives of those around them. To presume that simply because someone showed traits of psychopathy is as messed up as institutionalizing someone simply because they are bipolar.

Finally someone actually gets it. Bizarre to me that most people seem to be lacking critical thinking skills to be able to understand this. I do not have psychopathy myself, but find it sad that the world is convinced that psychopath = 100% evil. I can’t even imagine how stigmatized those diagnosed feel on a daily basis. I have loads of empathy for that. People fail to understand that it is a disorder (a rare one at that) and not an inherent moral failing. You can’t help the way in which your brain is from birth. It simply is the way it is.

@@picture-you you really have no critical thinking skills. Psychopathy is linked to cruelty, sadism, murder, lack of empathy, etc. Just because someone is born that way doesn't mean everyone has to accept them and be subjected to their disorder. You can't even understand the potential harm a psychopath can do.

“Psychopathic” some might say!

Hmm, I think you might have a case of severe paranoia disorder, on account of the belief that a website algorithm has conspired to convince you that you're a psychopath.

@@jadeingels3475 it's a joke.

@@jessarose2288 THAT was a joke

lol u'r ok

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Patrick Martin - aren’t all cats psychopaths? I knew mine was before I heard the talk! 😆

@@marylynne9104 I think you may be right. All this time I was thinking my cat was simply aloof, lol

I noticed your psychopathic parrot perched dangerously close to your head... Are you sure that's a good idea?

@@cakeules Not to worry, my parrot heard the story about the rattlesnake that bit me. After a lot of agony and periodic throws of uncontrollable pain the snake finally died.

ALL cats are psychopaths. 😸

Exactly - people need to be aware that it's not abnormal nor suspicious to try a different Doctor, for any reason. There are pressures/madates to hire certain people that would otherwise never be considered. Some are blatantly incompetent, some are intolerably smug and dismissive, etc. It's a demoralizing experience with bad treatment, but, there's also good Doctors out there who are intelligent and actually care about your outcome.

I'm sorry that happened to you. I've had similar experiences and it's so frustrating. On a separate note, it would be a kindness to remove the reference to the doctor's accent since many people with accents are made to feel ashamed for them. Unfortunately, I know firsthand that clinicians from every kind of background can exhibit the kind of bias you experienced. : - (

Then what?!,I found your story in the cliffhanger...

amazing

we need a part 2😂

Wut

@@Mxrk_Hxshim Does a sane person throw a brick at someone's head to get their attention??

Yeah that could be a real good movie plot !

And this video was taking place inside of an asylum 😶

dude this comment got me shook

MrSirBossMan psychopaths are just as bone chilling because they are still capable of awful things. It's just like an alignment. If a psychopath is Chaotic Neutral or Chaotic Evil, they do as they please and kill for pleasure

um, he did murder someone when he was 17.

hahaha

Plot twist again he is tony😂😱

Lol😂

*an

😂😂😂😂😂

When a mental disorder crosses the line of being disruptive to your life, it becomes a mental illness. That's why psychopathy isn't classified as a "mental illness" because most sociopaths or psychopaths live fairly normal, productive lives. Since psychopathy is not an official mental disorder, the condition experts diagnose it as ASPD.

yes! in fact you can only classify something as a disorder if it is all of the following: 1)dysfunctional 2)dangerous(to self/others) 3)deviant 4)distressing

Spelling counts

Define Functional

What's a functional life though

The only sane comment in this section

Brilliant! And congratulations Amelia

@@silviasegura3742 Thankyou :)

@Milly May what are you, 12?

THIS. this talk does do a great job of pointing out that looking at a list of symptoms in the DSM (or anywhere for that matter) can lead to feeling like you have one or multiple mental disorders. the degrees to which one feels symptoms, the frequency in which they’re felt, the pain or disruptiveness they cause, when they began, and what prompted them all matter, too. it takes an trained (and ethical) professional to help interpret symptoms, make a diagnosis if one exists for you, and identify the level of care and type of intervention that’s needed. in thinking about this, the “everyone’s a bit x” statement is both true and untrue. yes, all people can, and likely do, exhibit symptoms of certain disorders. it’s forgotten, though, that these symptoms exist on a spectrum of the human experience. for example - everyone experiences anxiety. it’s a natural reaction which we evolved to help protect us from danger. it only becomes a diagnosable disorder when it begins to interfere with ones life and shows up at times when it shouldn’t. sorry for being si long winded, but my point is that your therapist handled your case as it should be handled. people don’t fit neatly into boxes and it’s the job of a good professional to understand that and ensure their practice reflects that.

You have a very good psychologist!!

gmmg ABSOUTELY OMG

mindhunter on netflix is pretty much on the same lines as this, and it's really good.

Same thought ...Option this now! Who do we cast as Tony?

its pretty freaking good book

They did make a movie about this - called "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest."

But they can fake so they have their way

I've cried myself to sleep bc I realise Im all the things on the checklist...

@@danielhayes8348 so you're not a psycopath? Sorry, I can't make myself cry, cool if you can lol

hmmm......I can, but only when I think of sad things which isn't relevant to the discussion, are there other ways of making yourself cry?

@@Human1337 actors do it😐 its quite amazing i wanna learn how to do that

Hey! It's Dr. John Smith! Please stop acting like you were not in our asylum. All you do all day is sitting by the wall and typing on an imaginary keyboard and looking at an imaginary screen. You even imagine that you have a doctor called Dr. John Smith.

@@SylvesterLazarus Dr John Smith is my beau. Stop being such an impersonator 🙄. Blocked, reported and moving on.

@@natashagalt6631 Come on Pineapple! If you would be insane, the voices you hear in your head would most certainly tell you!

@@Jiyukan #WhenPeopleSayYouHearVoices #ItsJustMyFriends lol

That's the issue: No one should be allowed to require you to prove that without you having done something criminal that relates to mental state.

Plus he was a Leo.. so 🤷🏻‍♂️

@@jackmac2226 hey >:(

@@jackmac2226 Astrology is meaningless

@@Pepechu How long have you studied it?

I dont need to google a random biased experiment. I've studied cosmic correlation theories for 25+ years. You're basing your opinion on someone else's findings. It's an esoteric science that has been around for several thousand years and unfortunately for the less erudite of the subject became muddied through the simplification and popularizaton of sun sign or "star" sign horoscopes in Germany prior to WW1

Brilliant.

The four walls in my room said I should watch this, the roof told me not to. I don't think I trust my roof anymore.

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Auspicious Legend Sorry but, I don't watch "TED" as a rule. Can't really comment on past videos. I have a life and RU-vid is for when I can't sleep.

Same but that wouldn't have made sense.

wouldve made him seems insane talking in third person and writing a book about being a psycopath from a different point of view

That's how the M. Night Shyamalan version ends.

SAME LMAO

JayPG that would have been great!

That's not something a psychopath would do.

I know, most psychopaths don’t know if the are psycho’s.

@@stefanfyhn4668 thats something a psychopath would say

@@meinctutw8261 I'm a Cynic, that's different 😝

@@stefanfyhn4668 thats not something a cynic would say

Me too. Very disappointed, not what I came for, 1/10.

kilroy987 me too

I expected it, but wasn't disappointed!

" Everyone's a bit psychopathic "

especially Sherlock and Hannibal fans

And ironically, that's typical of people with bipolar disorder or borderline personality disorder -- thinking in terms of black and white :/

@@Cliew5473 I have BPD with high functioning bi-polar. Unsure about anyone else, but I could see the black and white thing true for many of us, but now I dont mind that I'm supposedly in this gray area. To me that is like being centred; black and white, right and wrong, good and evil: we all experience these things, but woudl never know one from the other if we didnt see both sides.

how about asians?

@Uğur Kaan Komanlı everything is about race now

@@dannykeuerleber7419 Yeah I can do a 100m pretty fast

He's deranged.

It was intentional for an entertainment presentation. Context ma dude

@@thatsweetlilthing2 I find nothing entertaining in the suffering of others. [Insert rape joke] 😀

@@thatsweetlilthing2 I guess he got the "E" part of TED right, then.

It seems to create a lovely grandios effect.

The background music was much too distracting, and his voice delivery was a bit awkward...he failed on that last revelation - awful delivery.

@@ceIIardoor totally agree some interesting things were said but fell flat because of his lack of presentation skills, but gotta give the man credit he isn't a natural and stood infront of 1500 I think he said, pretty nerve racking for people who are not confident in that sort of thing.

Cellar Door i agree that last bit could’ve been delivered much better, but i didn’t find the background music distracting at all. it added to the tone of the whole presentation imo

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Abby I use this video for my business school classes, to demonstrate the very subtle distinctions between high-quality, multimodal delivery and over-the-top, pretentious mooching. “This is the kind of embarrassing presenter you would be,” I tell them, “if your instructor gave you a list of tips and general advice but no

All personality disorders don't equal someone being a sociopath or a psychopath. I have a personality disorder; BPD. It's got nothing to do with being a sociopath or a psychopath. I also have Complex PTSD, debilitating anxiety and depression. I only tell you this because what you wrote is simply wrong; It's *only* Antisocial personality disorder _(sometimes, not always, in combination with Narcissistic personality disorder)_ that's linked to sociopaths and psychopaths.

@@tessiepinkman You're absolutely right! I meant antisocial personality disorder, but I only wrote personality disorder. I've editing my comment.

The world sure liked 50 shades of grey

The world LOVES grey areas. People love grey areas so much it's become the excuse of choice to ignore the true black and white nature of the world. Everything is black and white. The people telling you otherwise are trying to cheat you.

daemonCaptrix Eh? I disagree with that in the way you put it. If everything is varying degrees of black and white them each is a different shade of gray

knes167 - There are degrees of how acceptable something is based on how much it helps or hurts. But don't confuse that with the action itself having degrees of black and white. Whether you accept something or choose to do something about it is your opinion. It's not part of the nature of the action you're responding to. Things are either 100% good and 0% evil, or 100% evil and 0% good, or 0% both. Also, just because each situation has different actions which may be good or evil, that doesn't mean the actions themselves are partially good and partially evil. Bad people want to confuse you into thinking that so they can get away with murder, but it's not true.

daemonCaptrix Polarizing things is flawed imo, it just leads to hyprocisy. For example murder is wrong and would make you a criminal, but killing someone like a serial killer or terrorist would make you a hero with the same action. Good and evil are honestly just subjective depending on the environment you (grow up) develop in. Depending on the town/country the parameters of good and evil change, that proves its not concrete as we'd like to believe

+December Leigh Yes, that's scary. Reminds me of the Rosenhan experiment. Dr Rosenhan did an experiment in the 70's where he send several volunteers to several psychiatric hospitals, who were considered to be mentally stable. They were assigned to act normal; except that they had to tell the doctor they sometimes hear a "thud" sound in their head. Despite this being a trivial matter that is not any cause for alarm, all of them were diagnosed with all sorts of mental disorders and detained for average of 19 days, forced to take anti-hallucinatory drugs as a condition to be released. All of the psychiatrists are biased. Just because they're in a mental hospital MUST mean that they're something seriously wrong with them; and the psychiatrists basically just see what they want to see (delusional?). Then after Rosenhan revealed this, one the hospitals was offended and challenged Rosenhand to send more fake patients, confident that they could identify them immediately. In the following weeks they fired 41 of 190 new 'pseudopatients' from the hospital. Rosenhan didn't send anyone that time; so that means that at least 1/5 of the patients being detained for no reason.

+noxure Rosehan, you da real hero

+noxure confirmation bias people see what they look for

noxure Yes, that experiment was with pseudo patients, one of them Rosenhan himself! & they were all diagnosed with schizophrenia! Except the one private hospital, but that one was diagnosed with manic-depressive psychosis, still very bad. They acted normal once in the hospital but took notes, & 1 Dr even said the note taking was pathological! Spitzer said the study was flawed. Most of the hospitals were under funded, etc & Drs spent an average of 6 min a day with a patient, but this doesn't account for the dehumanization, abuse, and severe over diagnosing, these pseudo patients were not allowed to leave until they admitted they were mentally ill & took anti-psychotics, very dangerous in the 70's! The argument compared it to medical medicine & faking symptoms, but they reported no symptoms other than the initial ones, on that basis alone were diagnosed with schizophrenia as it was defined then, but Rosenhan said they did not present symptoms consistent with psychosis at all to get in the facility, & about 1/3 of the PATIENTS thought they were faking & there as journalists or something! Anyway, it cannot be compared to medical medicine, that's just stupid, we know less about the brain than any other organ in the body BY FAR, and that was the 70's. It was classic expectation bias. The real crime is the way patients are treated in a subhuman manner, & all nurses, who really have the contact, should be required to be patients first, although this would make some of them even more mean, some people actually work in a place like that in order to feel superior or more powerful because they lack security...the same mentality of a child molester, actually. Anyhow, yes it's definitely expectation bias to the extreme....the truth is almost ALL diagnosis were off in hospitals in the 70's & a great deal of them still are...you can go to 3 different Dr's & get 2 different diagnosis, then there are overlapping diagnosis, actual over lapping of conditions, etc etc. Thanks for the reminder on the study!

Ess Thank you,that's so kind of you to say, is so true though, we know very little about how the brain works or even how medications work to "fix" the brain, patients are treated like lab rats. So much confirmation bias. That branch became too much for me & I work with kids in sports psychology in helping overcome problems & raising self-esteem. Frankly, I don't see how anyone with a conscious can maintain between the evil pharma co's lying to sell their meds & the horrible stigma placed on mental health patients, whether or not they even have a disorder in reality! If they do, the LAST thing they need is to be dehumanized by mental health workers & stigmatized by them & society at large. Stigma with mental health patients & addicts got to be real hot issues for me, & still are, I like feeling like I'm doing something positive & accomplishing something, lol, not spinning my wheels for money.

That's a long time to nut

Don't ever move to Finland.

@@AbominableHuman It was more of an ironic statement ..so, i wasn't really thinking you were planning on it. Just saying that Finland feels like a nuthouse most of the time these days..then again, most of the world seems like one, also.

I would kill myself seriously.

@@AbominableHuman D'aw, you just had to ruin it by being a fucking idiot.

But normal people tend to be bad at faking madness. In my own opinion, one has to be a psychopath to be able to act out different personality traits to different people under different circumstances.

@@babatundeojerinde he says he has read books and such. Any people could fake it with some help

Babatunde Ojerinde don’t be silly, anyone could have a latent talent for acting and pathos, regardless of where they fall on the psychopathy spectrum. Unless you believe every broadway and Hollywood actor is a psychopath? In my experience, psychopathic kids tend to be diametrically opposed to the ones that call themselves “theatre kids”

most sane people would probably try to stay out of jail

@@shalinisathi6526 haha yeah but no one is 100% sane

Psychological evaluation like at a mental hospital? Or a different context?

@@hannahmiller5515 Well I think that it was Alan Watts that pointed out ages ago, people are being encouraged to psychoanalyse themselves and each other. I think the emphasis on mental health disorders in society has become unhealthy and considering Carl Jung’s theory on psychological viruses it could even be suggesting and driving mental health problems. Mental health problems definitely meant a lack of credibility just decades ago and it still lingers as a nuance because we’re humans and it takes generations for an attitude to actually dissipate.

He read it before and got the idea from it

That's exactly what I thought. lol

thats what the psychopath (tony) have said, he was lying.

I like the attention

Because he's famous XD

Thankyou Miss Emily Litella...Never Mind.

😂

IKR? let people cycle.

Nobody uses them, they ride in the damn road and clog up traffic

Ugh people these days don’t care about others. 🙄 Why is the cycle paths such a problem?

Umm, did you miss the fact that Tony had recently gone to mainstream jail for being involved in a brawl in a bar? Psychopath or not it's called logical deduction.

Man, at conclusion he said thats everyone is a psychopath, by not going to bar with him, he just confirmed his psychopath reputation, understand now?

I think you can both wish that someone is not locked up and also wish not to be his friend... While everyone has a gray area in their personality, they also have a gray area (or a spectrum) of how much they tolerate others

Or is Tony one of the supposed sound guys wanting to stay anonymous, but agreeing to go on stage?

and then went on Ted Talks to tell everyone about it. Good Leftist though, I like this guy’s politics, that part was totally true or has he confused psychopaths with sociopaths? A rose by any other...

He's John... or is he?

+Khaleel Rahman No. He is Jon

scwfan08 Damn

+scwfan08 OR IS HE

I was thinking that too!

Yes essentially making him victim to value judgement yet again & thus dehumanised.

2019 october squad

Elizabeth Segundo when you consider the multiple instances in bars he got in trouble for... i wouldn’t meet him at a bar either

Tony deserved better you psychopath!

Dustin Hehmann tony is quite literally a psychopath.

True

*I'm holding my hammer but where's the nail?*

@@valdbagina2273 look at your hands

@@valdbagina2273 just that its not a good idea to hit those nails

I actually feel that on like a cosmic level

+UmCaralnteressante Psychopaths arent masochists they just lack empathy.

sandersona756 Not self-harm, but pain or submission. Self-inflicted wounds and other auto-aggressive behaviour is an entirely different story. However, both could speak for self-hatred or atonement; not exactly things psychopaths are famous for.

+kilian phillips Sadists you mean.... also that's not right either because you like so many others here think psychotic and psychopathic are the same. They are not....

Troy Nelson psychopath as in psyche as in an issue with the mind its nature something your born with Sociopath as in social as in environmental as in trauma experienced in life why do you think they have those names?

kilian phillips The meaning changed over time and now they are basically interchangeable.

Milliene Xu why didn't he go?

Even Tony just semi psychopaths, but he was sent to prison and then to hospital for beaten an in a bar, who want to risk his own life to meet tony in a bar?

The suggestion, I think, is that he might be a "semi-psychopath" himself.

Milliene Xu well you know those Brave journalists

my guess is that he no longer had a purpose to see Tony anymore so keeping contact with him would do more harm than good. typical exploit and discard strat.

The white matter tract (uncinate fasciculus) which connects amygdala and prefrontal cortex is also damaged or undeveloped in psychopaths. Very interesting!