Stranger Things 2 is Poorly Written (SPOILERS) | Fox Rants

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Watch a 5 minute quick rant become my longest video to date.
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Chapter 1: Mike the Jerk - 4:33
Chapter 2: Relationship Troubles - 10:55
Chapter 3: More of the Same - 23:42
Chapter 4: The Unneeded Sister - 27:17
Chapter 5: Bad Case of Sequelitis - 32:16
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Walkin in Hawkins - Stranger Things 2 OST
A New Morning - Eirik Suhrke
Around - Modulogeek
Daisuke - El Heurvo
Remorse - Scattle
Dust - M|O|O|N
Electric Dreams - Perturbator
Coasting - Transistor OST

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@elsa_g 6 лет назад

Alright I just watched season two so I can finally watch your video! I didn't think it was perfect but I did enjoy it overall, so I'm interested in what you have to say about it. I'm gonna keep a running commentary below. It would be more repetative if Mike really did do the same thing as Lucas and have that reconcilliation scene with Max. Plus, I don't really think it's the same situation. With Lucas, he was being an ass for reasons related to El herself, while Mike is being an ass to Max even before they've talked to her because he's being an as because of something in himself. In order for him to have reconciled that with Max, he would have had to explain himself/his insecurities, and I just don't see how it could have been believable or reasonable for him to have shared such personal stuff with her then. Mike didn't really grow this season, but I don't think he needed to. I agree that it would have been nice to have the subplots meet up more cohesively. I would have liked the Jonathan/Nancy subplot to have developed their relationship further, not necessarily in a romantic sense but in the sense of how do their different priorities and worldviews meet/how do they affect each other? At least give us more with how concerned Jonathan is of Will and then Nancy thinking about her relationship with Mike. Maybe that would have helped connect the different groups more. Honestly, I feel like the reporter subplot was entirely pointless and actually forgot about it trying to remember what they were doing during that part of the show. I feel like the scenes in the first season did more things at once, always moving along the characters and the plot and the tension, but the second season wasn't as condensed, which made it feel like we needed more time on the characters when it really was long enough. I agree completely about Max. So much potential, so little done with it. I really liked Billy though, I thought he worked well to establish some setting/perspective for the high school part of the cast and also his character is just great in the later episodes. Joyce/Bob is best ship I was so upset when he died. He should have lived and proved all the formula wrong. And it was so cliche and stupid too, I knew it was coming and I hated it. I didn't get the sense that the Barb thing was tacked on. To me, it was pretty clear that hadn't been complaining because of the nondisclosure agreements but had still felt horrible about it and kept in touch with Barb's parents. She knew there was nothing she could do about it so she was trying to ignore how terrible she felt, but repression doesn't work and not only was she sick of it and sick of how she felt like her relationship with Steve was tied with ignoring Barb, but she saw how Barb's parents were ruining their lives with hope and she knew she couldn't handle justifications any longer because she felt wrong. And Steve's reactions are entirely justified to. There breakup made sense to me. They just kind of fell out of allignment/expectations for their relationship. Yeah, I had the same problem with Murray. I don't think Steve knows she /should/ be with Jonathan, I think he just resigns himself to the fact that she's /not/ going to be with him. He knew when she didn't say she loved him, he wanted to see if he could get her back even though he acknowleges the original problem hasn't been resolved because what's he supposed to apoligize for when he did nothing, and then he finally accepts that it's her that moved away and he just has to be okay with that, he can't and wouldn't want to force a relationship to work. Yeah, I agree about reusing the roles and the stakes. I liked the seventh episode not because of power growth but because of the turning point in El's whole plot this season, which was "what is home?" She's understandibly frustrated and unsatisfied with her home with Hopper until it's too much for her to stay saying this is all I'll get, so she leaves to see if she can find home with her mother, but that isn't to be but she finds her sister in like the opposite of Hopper. Her sister is saying home is with her and choosing your family with outcasts and they have her doing things, and a key contrast is Hopper was trying to protect her and open to understanding her and compromise but Kali has a viewpoint and keeps pushing it on El with a creepy certainty. Then the vision with Mike happens and she realizes that home /is/ who you choose but she's choosing to be a protecter for who she loves rather than a killer with her sister who she loves. I found it to be an important revelation and El really making a decision/choice. I will say, one thing I was happy with was the concept of tunnel-roots underground. I thought that was a great way for the Upside Down to not get that sense of stale/know, though I don't think they really emphasized the horror/it's everywhere feel they could have with that concept. Like, mold and roots and fungi are creepy, and Tremmors proved that giant creatures making tunnels through the ground is creepy, you had to immediately introduce a map and say it hasn't reached town and thus make it not creepy? Wasted opportunity. I'd love to talk with you about any of these points if you read them and have something to say!

@Foxcade 6 лет назад

Wow, thats a lot haha First, thanks for coming back to watch the video, that is much appreciated! I do see what your saying with the Mike stuff. My whole thing is that it would have been more cathartic/satisfying to have him connect with Max in the end, especially considering she took the time to understand him and was extending her hand by saying she understood why he was acting the way he was. I wasn't expecting a full apology or for him to be her best friend, just some introspection on his part that she isn't replacing El and he needed to grow up a bit. How he was played this season just made him unlikable to me. Ya, one of my issues about season 2 that I couldn't properly convey is that it felt much more scattered than season 1 was, with a lot of subplots not really having any thematic or narrative purpose to the main plot. Billy was a cool character, as he felt like an old school bully character. Again, I just wish Max and him had a bit more relevance to the story as a whole. With Bob, I was hoping the same thing. If they subverted the cliche and had him save the day unscathed, despite not being the big burly man that Hopper is, would have been much more interesting as a whole. Supposedly, the actors had to fight for Sean Austin/Bob to even get the scenes where he unlocks the door, as he was originally just going to be killed off unceremoniously. I did get the whole theme of "family/what is home" El's character arc in episode 7, but it just felt really sloppy in terms of how it fit into the structure of the season, and came off a bit like it needed to set up future plot threads for later. I didn't hate it, it just felt out of place. Plus Kali and her group weren't that interesting to me. Its funny, I liked the idea of the tunnel roots, with the upside infesting the town in a very "Lovecraty" way, but the map thing felt like an attempt to redo the alphabet wall. I didn't hate it or anything, but it came off like the writers were trying to recapture the magic from season 1 when they heard everyone loved the alphabet wall. This is very much a personal gripe though, which is why I took it out of the script for this video. Again, thanks for such a thought out comment! I didn't make this video to tell people they are wrong for enjoying season 2, as I'm not an expert on narrative or film making, just pointing out what I feel are flaws in the story, so I'm glad to see people are wanting to have a dialogue about what they thought, and what they enjoyed about the season where I may not have.

@sarahdugas135 6 лет назад

Very thought-provoking video and I agree with you on everything you say. Here are my thoughts on the season as a whole: --There is too much character-focused content and way too much emphasis on pairings, without it really driving the plot forward. Characters should develop through the plot, and their actions should move it forward. --I think that just the first episode would have been enough to show how the past year had affected them. They spent way too much time on this, slowing down the pacing. Also, wouldn't this have brought them closer? I didn't really like how they became divided when they should have felt more connected. --Hopper and El's relationship wasn't nuanced enough for me. He acted like an authoritarian and jerk toward El at times, and was mean for no reason. She seemed like she was a prisoner for most of the season, separated from everybody. It took too long to get her involved in the plot, which nullified her reunion and choice to come back. To me, it was kind of unbelievable that she suddenly knew what was going on with Will so late in the season. Seems like she would have known this for the past year, visiting Mike in the void? --Because the lab was basically stripped of its power, I didn't think of them as a threat except for the dialogue to tell us that. Hence, why I think Hopper came off as a prison guard keeping El away from everyone. You really never saw anyone (beside episode 2) looking for her. If you saw this throughout, then I would more understand where Hopper was coming from. --Mike is not the only one poorly written this season like you say. In fact, I think Nancy using her grief and understanding of losing Barb (rather than the whole justice for Barb thing!), asking for Jonathan for advice (with his close relationship with WIll and helping him) in order to help Mike with his grief, would have been a better use of her as a character. -El's jealousy and cold shoulder toward Max made her a bit unlikable too. It seemed out of character for her after seeing jealousy get between Lucas and Mike last season. Thank you again for the video!

@justinstewart9145 5 лет назад

@@sarahdugas135 Hopper's over-protectiveness actually stems from the loss of his daughter, and he fears losing someone whose become like another daughter to him (Eleven). I feel like he does a good job of coming to terms with this later in the season. It helps give an extra layer of depth to why Hopper makes the decisions that he does.

@bubbles4897 5 лет назад

Justin Stewart here’s the thing though....he was already over protective in season 2 but it was very realistic. This time it just seemed so cartoonish

@waluigigames1343 5 лет назад

Reeeee

@zantos4853 5 лет назад

Kali doesn't even exist in Season 3 xD

@robo3007 5 лет назад

Good.

@ChrisManley1994 5 лет назад

Thank GOD!

@jormungandrworldserpent6437 5 лет назад

I fuckin hated her

@jormungandrworldserpent6437 5 лет назад

Although i did have mr clarke withdrawals

@emmanuelpacheco8765 5 лет назад

Who?

@CrimsonOptics 5 лет назад

The "Lost Sister" episode was basically a DLC plotline. It adds something to the lore, but it's also something closed off enough to where it doesn't affect the progression of the main plot.

@fugit1vegaming397 4 года назад

CrimsonOptics thank you. For giving purpose to that episode.

@Jprager 4 года назад

CrimsonOptics exactly the plot could’ve been way better explored and added to the story instead of 1 throwaway eps

@girlysoap9031 4 года назад

Also she met her mum we were wondering about and met someone who helped her learn how to channel her powers which contributed to the finale

@dylanwalker1205 4 года назад

NO WE DONT TALK ABOUT THAT EPOSIDE...... EVER!

@naotatheendlessesper 4 года назад

@@dylanwalker1205 get a life

@PrometheanFlame 5 лет назад

Definitely they have missed opportunities with not really addressing Will’s trauma and having his friends understand that he wants them to continue to play like kids because he had an interrupted childhood and indulges in their old activities to cope with what he has experienced.

@manny101796 5 лет назад

I keep seeing comments like this saying Will had an interrupted childhood but I don´t get why Will was only in the upsidedown for like a week

@PsycheTrance65 5 лет назад

@@manny101796 Its a week trying to survive in the upside down. That would have been traumatic and would definitely interfere with his childhood.

@saltwatersweets 5 лет назад

manuel martinez not to mention, in s2 he was being _possessed_ for a good portion of the season, which is even more trauma and a few months gone from his childhood. He missed out on a lot and yeah, he would want to go back to the good ol days, when he and his friends could play together and have fun like they used to.

@manny101796 5 лет назад

@@saltwatersweets in s2 is was also like a week

@alexaestrada3653 5 лет назад

Yes! I keep seeing so many articles bringing up Will's sexuality because of Mike saying something along the lines of "It's not my fault you don't like girls" and people fail to consider that one of the biggest things in his childhood has traumatized him and is trying to hold on to his friends that are slipping away and making it somethings its probably not supposed to be and immediately jumping to him being gay

@gregs_on_tracks 5 лет назад

There is just no need for all this love plots. This is turning into a teen drama.

@T0xXx1k 5 лет назад

Your main characters are teenagers..

@ogbee9690 4 года назад

Yep. it's generic and cliche. no longer an interesting show, not that I really liked it much in the first place.

@mitchellcheatham4097 4 года назад

I think there’s a good mix, between sci-fi, action and teen drama, they did this for the audience who likes sci-fi and for the audience that likes teen drama (usually teenage girls) this is one of the main reasons it’s so popular it attracts different types of audiences because if it was just sci-fi not as many people would watch it and it would scare away other audiences, I will say though they do go a little heavy with the drama in season 3 and they don’t balance it as well as they did in season 2

@mitchellcheatham4097 4 года назад

Sci Fi Early 2000's Guy you’re just trying to stand out of the crowd, and you really come off as pretentious in this comment go back to you’re 80-70s sci-fi shows, Star Trek, quantum leap, this show obviously isn’t for you bud, you thought it was just gonna be sci-fi

@ogbee9690 4 года назад

@Mitchell Cheatham nah not really I just don't like it

@raikoedgymoto 5 лет назад

Evolution of will: Season 1: Needs to be saved Season 2: Plot device that needs to be saved Season 3:Plot device I wish there was some justice for my boy

@finnsword8286 5 лет назад

He only really had one moment in s3 huh. It’s a shame too because s2 proved that the kid who plays Will can REALLY act, like he has some talent.

@tazman4475 5 лет назад

Season 3: "can we go play D&D now?"

@threeletteragent 5 лет назад

They would be better off killing him in season 4, it would make room for moments of character growth, and it's not like he has any other purpose to the story.

@dublinjake 5 лет назад

Idk, I'm only just finished episode 4 of season 3, but I'm enjoying Will's feelings of being sidelined and his yearnings for a more innocent, simpler past. Yeah, he hasn't really impacted a great deal plot-wise aside from being aware of the Mindflayer but I'm still engaged.

@multifantv1245 5 лет назад

FinnSword exactly😪

@cheshirechill154 5 лет назад

The only good thing that came out of season 2 was Steve

@1mnot4rrogant90 5 лет назад

Ella Pocock Billy

@shadycatgames1405 5 лет назад

Billy

@martinv1734 5 лет назад

Rip homie billy

@billmcelgunn7819 5 лет назад

Yeah I hear about this movie Avatar as well it was poorly written had dry character moments and was just a hot mess😆 some guy says it it means it's true Lololol

@billmcelgunn7819 5 лет назад

Steve was so cool in season 2

@nmikk10 5 лет назад

Will isnt a character. He is someone that just pushes the plot

@zillxkam1 5 лет назад

nmikk10 the guys jarring

@ADez100 5 лет назад

@hunterharmak 5 лет назад

Like a good dungeon master.

@toontrooper4103 5 лет назад

That annoys me to no end

@ollytherev2957 5 лет назад

Toon Trooper he had some more character in 3. And 1 was understandable since he was missing the whole season. 2 has no excuse

@EvilDick1995 5 лет назад

I think Steve’s reaction to Nancy and Jonathan was actually pretty realistic. I think he was already mentally broken up with Nancy at that point anyways.

@PsycheTrance65 5 лет назад

Its so weird that Season 3 repeats some of Season 2's mistakes (Mike's a jerk, Will simply being the Mind Flayer detector, whatevers up with Nancy and Jonathan) and yet is much more fun to watch

@mogensgallardo3288 5 лет назад

Mike grows as a character, he becomes a better person at the end, Will has more to him in S3, and Nancy and Jonathan are a great duo, even though Nancy still needs to grow.

@kenechewkuk.l8707 5 лет назад

Will literally is a talk on how painful it is to grow up. He's definitely not just a mind flayer detector in season 3

@manny101796 5 лет назад

don´t forget Dustin and Steve bromance

@snoozed6162 5 лет назад

Mogens Gallardo Will IS just the mind flayer detector and that’s all to it in season 3. Please provide reasons why you disagree. Wanting to play dungeons and dragons and being the last one to grow up isn’t a valid point since, Mike’s line, “We’re not kids anymore” led to nothing

@Penelope416 5 лет назад

@@snoozed6162 I agree. Kinda sucks that Will was just a detector.

@rolandodr98 5 лет назад

The first point is even more evident in the third season

@naotatheendlessesper 5 лет назад

Though they improved

@joshuacupido4907 5 лет назад

Mike is just always useless

@o.t.d_ody_the_dreamer 5 лет назад

@@joshuacupido4907 And still a dick

@terbentur2943 5 лет назад

Not only the first

@tysimmons8694 5 лет назад

Yeah Mike still treats Max like a dick I’m annoyed Max doesn’t deserve it.

@Radien 5 лет назад

I may not agree with your conclusions, but you aren't being a jerk and shouldn't be “crucified.” Thanks for explaining your opinion.

@Wakkawoo2 5 лет назад

So true about Mike being a totally horrible and unlikeable character with no redeeming features. Sadly they double down on this in Season 3. What were they thinking? Why would you want the main character to be so unlikeable?

@NoMustang273 5 лет назад

I disagree since the actually apologises and has a reason for his behaviour which is just he's a teenager (Not a great reason but it's better than season 2)

@zoesontag 5 лет назад

THANK YOU! S1 Mike was the glue of the party, the leader, the one who never let one kid feel left out, uncared for, or unloved. I understand the “careless hormonal teenager” route the duffers were going for because obviously kids grow up, but they took it way too far. To the point where Mike lost all of his loveable and recognizable character traits. He seemed like a totally different character to me and they just expanded that feeling in s3 with him not being interested in including Will or playing d&d with him. I know they somewhat redeem this at the end, but Will ends up moving away almost killing that redemption in the end. Dont even get me started on how they broke up the og party

@m_crowley6674 5 лет назад

because sometimes characters are assholes

@oliviatilley8345 5 лет назад

Zoe Yea when he started whispering to El while hopper was just trying to be a good parent, i got so annoyed there was no need to make him that unlikeable

@Wakkawoo2 5 лет назад

Olivia Tilley and Zoe - Totally!! And then he has the cheek to swear at Hopper in the van after finding out he was lying about his gran! Good portrayal of an annoying teenager = yes; likeable main character = no!

@jamesdan6895 5 лет назад

What's the point of Stranger Things if you know that it's just gonna end with Eleven scrraming at the monster and destroying it

@MrCraigLama 5 лет назад

Not in season 3

@alealcocer3287 5 лет назад

Josh Reidy have you seen season 3? lmao

@multifantv1245 5 лет назад

Josh Reidy To answer your question. Because it's fucking awesome to watch and there wasn't eleven screaming at a monster in season 3

@joshuadaye3453 5 лет назад

Lone Tardigrade she literally lost her powers

@calliph 5 лет назад

@@joshuadaye3453 yeah, but we all know she's gonna get them back and it will be as if she never lost them in the first place. And if I was a betting man, I'd say when she does get them back she's gonna pull some goku level shit.

@skinny138 5 лет назад

Season 2 just kinda flew by. A lot of episodes didn’t have plot continuation and then near the end they continued the plot. Season 3 was pretty good to me. And I know this is last but season 1 nailed it

@fugit1vegaming397 4 года назад

Articulate My ranks: 3 1 2 Although 1 and 3 are pretty much tied

@kayleigh5682 5 лет назад

I enjoyed S2 a lot, but there is no doubt that S1 was iconic and beautifully written. The second season was still amazing in my opinion, but not as much so as the first. Season 3 and Season 1 are tied for me. I'm glad they redeemed themselves in a sense.

@pelpo1238 5 лет назад

I disagree. I don't think season 2 was nearly as good as season 1 because of the missing mystery factor. And season 3 is like the second, but worse. It's all about the action and the "love", what really annoys me.

@thefreaksbg1061 5 лет назад

Yeah

@brgerwzrd54 5 лет назад

I really like the horror feel to season 3, it is a much darker, harder season to watch.

@KarimJovian 5 лет назад

season 3 was horrible. It felt like a parody of the show

@thefreaksbg1061 5 лет назад

I love the comedy mate with Robin and Lucas s sister

@francoisrd 5 лет назад

You're right about Mike and Max not having their moment and Mike not growing. That would (a) have given Mike an arc and (b) made Max more integral, being the catalyst of Mike's arc. Once in the group as "zoomer", her car driving scene also shows her integrality to the plot and to the party. But I don't agree with you on most other points. For example, the way Bob was killed off was cliche and ridiculous. I think it would have been better for him to pass the first door, keep running full speed without his dumb pause, but then get mauled right before reaching Joyce. More emotionally shocking for us and more sensible for the character's actions. But overall, I really liked Bob's character and I shipped them the whole season. I don't see Bob as just a throwaway obstacle for Jopper. In fact, I would rather have seen him live. So the only part that fell flat for me was the execution of his death scene, but I loved all the rest. Another example: you say Nancy has just started feeling bad about Barb recently, but that isn't true. We learn that she has been having regular visits with Barb's parents for the last year. Her guilt and her inability to do anything because of the NDAs is what motivates her to find an alternative way to tell Barb's parents, hence the whole tape subplot. While the love triangle was a bit poor, this part at least makes sense. Also, she goes to Murray because Barb's parents are already paying him, so he's invested in Barb's story and Nancy knows he's got experience with investigations and publicizing them, which she doesn't. Nancy's arc in this season is in continuing to refine and develop her wit, independence, and resolve. Some may see it as repetitive, but I see it as expanding/continuing season 1's arc, not repeating it. There are other examples, but my comment is already too long.

@Spittin_Bars 5 лет назад

There's a moment where Billy is smoking a cigarette before the fight with steve, he flicks the cigarette then immediately after they show him smoking a whole cigarette after he just flicked it away.

@JuanSolo9 5 лет назад

From what I've gathered from the comment section; *Season 1:* Amazing *Season 2 and 3:* Mixed reception

@davidmarwood775 5 лет назад

I wouldn’t call it a mixed reception, like 90% of people love them and 10% had some issues with them.

@Ao-hx6nf 5 лет назад

I’d say season 3 has almost the same reception as season 1 but less only because it isn’t something “new.”

@elevatormaniacgames 5 лет назад

Season 2 wasn’t that bad. Though I think it’s more forgettable than season 1. Season 3 is pretty good.

@Zeqweery 5 лет назад

All seasons sucked ass in their own way

@RenegadeShepard69 5 лет назад

Tbh Season 1: pretty good but was pushed as more than that due to this decade's "hype" for 80s nostalgia. Overrated but not necessarily bad, just a pretty fun show. Season 2: a bit worse then the first one at pretty much every single aspect. There were pretty cool moments but nothing too memorable, the series started to become it's own thing I felt like the nostalgia tropes were less annoying than the first season. The character development was slow because to save some juice for the following seasons therefore we got some great dynamics with Steve and the kids and the new guy (forgot the name, Max's brother) as well the repetitive Joyce worrying mom antics, will's brother's and his girlfriend's... I-don't-even-remember-what, and really awkward and clumsily Eleven, Max and the whole teenage romamce thing which were tedious plastic like any other series for teens today. Overall this is a fun little series that gets overhyped way too much. But that's just my opinion. (I didn't watch the third season yet)

@staticsyndrome2011 5 лет назад

holy shit I forgot about so much from season 2. lmao seems like the writers did as well.

@buewesto5898 5 лет назад

please make a review like this of season 3. I found this very interesting and would like to hear your take on s3

@mattyice9300 5 лет назад

Kyle Smith it would probably be more positive tho

@yum8666 5 лет назад

@@mattyice9300 not as good as season 1 still a lot better than season 2

@maxcovfefe 5 лет назад

@@yum8666 In defense of Season 2, most shows go through a rough patch in the sophomore season. It's practically expected in serials. That said, I also think it's difficult to outdo most series in their freshman seasons because those _usually_ get the most attention and love before a show is picked up.

@yum8666 5 лет назад

@@maxcovfefe and those freshmen seasons get the most time good point tho

@RhysClark97 5 лет назад

7:15 also season 3 takes mikes original dikish attitude towards max and flips it around, now max is pissed at mike, opressumably because they never reconciled

@privcraft_ 5 лет назад

I think Max has a legitimate reason to dislike Mike. Like you said, Mike never showed her any kindness and he lied to Eleven. Mike's dickishness was unprompted and he still hasn't learned his lesson

@privcraft_ 5 лет назад

Just to clarify, I agree with you

@RhysClark97 5 лет назад

@@privcraft_ i wouldnt say completely unprompted, id say he had a very human reaction to the farther of his girlfriend threatening to hurt him, what, you just gonna tell the girlfriend you care about that their dad is like that? no, youre gonna try and preserve their feelings

@obidasauceman6140 5 лет назад

Season 3 makes episode 7 all the more pointless lmao

@MrPHUCKYOURSELF 5 лет назад

ObiDaSauceMan i think cause everyone who watched the show knew that it was a retarded fuckin episode

@cuervus_ 5 лет назад

i legit forgot Kali existed until after i finished season 3 you really could delete that subplot and it would make no signficant difference

@obidasauceman6140 5 лет назад

@@cuervus_ so did I honestly the only reason I remembered what her name even was, was because I watched this video I literally can't even remember the name of those other people with them if I tried

@DjVader112 4 года назад

Mike Forti nah I see more positive comments about season 3 than negative ones,season 3 is definitely a step up from boring ass season 2

@nessa7356 4 года назад

it was kinda important. el probably would’ve never closed the gate without Kali’s advice...

@TomatrontheOne 5 лет назад

I was a bit disappointed Kali didn't appear, or was even mentioned at all in 3. We spent a whole episode developing her character for her to not appear again. Hopefully she appears in 4 and gets a lot more development, because she honestly needs it. Also surprised you didn't mention Billy at all in this rant.

@Penelope416 5 лет назад

I always felt like season 4 would be the season where not only Eleven saves the day. I always thought the series would explore other people out there with abilities so that the S4 ending isn't the same as the last 3. It's pretty evident that they're using El as a crutch to rescue everyone each time. I think they should do something different next season.

@tomo4977 5 лет назад

@@Penelope416 I can defintely see that, considering El has lost her powers now. Tbh I've been interested in wondering what would happen to El if she was possessed and became the bad guy.

@freezerounds 5 лет назад

The "numbered children" part of the Stranger Things universe doesn't get as much attention as it should, in my opinion. I hope they reintroduce it into Season 4.

@Penelope416 5 лет назад

@@freezerounds I agree. Can you make me some pancakes with your special syrup?

@Inkbud 5 лет назад

I kinda disagree. I get they really developed her (IMO a bit too much to then drop her) but I felt she was more of a plot basis for El to discover what she actually cares about. It also showed us the superhero theme or what is right and wrong and really helped El to grow and that was her purpose served. As Kali didn't really interest me a whole lot I'm personally glad she's not been back but I agree dropping her was a bit dumb

@CrisC81 5 лет назад

I agree completely. Should have stayed a 1S mini series. And The Duffer's should have been signed to a new up deal. S3 Hopper pissed me off so much.

@onemandubs713 5 лет назад

CrisC81 Agreed They made hopper into such a wuss

@bruhgames4175 5 лет назад

lee jamie he almost chopped a guys fucking finger off

@multifantv1245 5 лет назад

Hudman Games yeah that was awesome

@motorwayt-s628 5 лет назад

lee jamie nah he was more of an alcoholic bum that acts like Rambo

@umishiori 4 года назад

:(( I would’ve been sad if it was just 1 season,, I enjoyed season 3 but yeah hopper was kind of an ass tho ngl

@loki_l_1380 5 лет назад

To be fair, at least as far as I'm concerned, season 3 addressed a lot of these problems. Which is why I think it's superior to season 2.

@Alice-si8uz 5 лет назад

Although season 3 has it's own issues...

@helloimlilac 5 лет назад

Season 3 is better than season 2 but it’s still ehhh to me. It was a fun season (enjoyed watching it), but season 1 was so good. Like S2&S3 feel more hollow to me than S1

@maplenerd22 5 лет назад

@@Alice-si8uz - Every show has its own issues. There's no such thing as a perfect show.

@heidih3048 5 лет назад

@@helloimlilac I enjoyed season 1, but the hollowness of seasons 2 and 3 made them nearly excruciating to watch at times.. In fact, season 3 feels even more meaningless and haphazard than season 2, so much so that I haven't been able to watch beyond s3 episode 6.

@fugit1vegaming397 4 года назад

For me, 3 is a tad better than 1. Not by much though.

@Sercil00 5 лет назад

Poor Bob. At first he was annoying to me, but mostly boring. Then he just suddenly goes along with all the insanity, which was probably a bit of a writer's crutch, but I found it funny. Then he actually contributes and I really start liking him. And then, he gets killed off in such a stupid, avoidable way. By the way Hopper, great job not using your gun there. You could have helped. But you wanted him to die!

@Evan15 5 лет назад

Sercil Yeah Bobs death was kinda lame but hopper couldn't have shot it in time. By the time he saw it, more were coming.

@fujifilm5127 5 лет назад

Always a Samwise, never a Frodo

@laurenbennett7674 5 лет назад

*lip smack* what a shame ahahah your profile name fits your comment to a tee

@kakashihatake6176 5 лет назад

Hopper was trying to shot the monster tho,he just didnt have time

@Operation_Bagel 5 лет назад

Bob: *dies* Hopper: *Shoulder touch to Joyce* Hey

@TheMandleMan 5 лет назад

I loved season 1 and season 3 But I have to admit that Season 2 was pretty boring and bland

@nloftus1387 5 лет назад

Mike in season 3 for the first few episodes was a brat

@TheMandleMan 5 лет назад

@@nloftus1387 I feel they stopped trying with Mike's character tbh

@fazbearfoxy1213 5 лет назад

Nah stranger things 1 and 2 I love but not the third but i respect your opinion.

@jackmars931 5 лет назад

Season 3 was garbage. Everyone was retarded. They came up with the exact same solution for things as in season 2, even though it obviously didn't work then.

@moodyhumor 5 лет назад

ImAWeeb I actually thought the writing in season 3 was the worst

@helenchua3408 5 лет назад

No one's attacking in these comments, I think most unbiased semi-critical people that watched S2 can agree that it was poorly written, especially in comparison to S1.

@justinstewart9145 5 лет назад

I'm more than semi-critical, and I found season 2 to be good. Was it perfect? No; but it was still good. "Poorly written" is subjective in the case of Stranger Things 2.

@justinstewart9145 5 лет назад

You crossing out part of what I said doesn't change my stance nor prove me wrong.

@djanitatiana 5 лет назад

I found it to be a pastiche of the Series 1, as Foxcade said it felt undercooked, unprepared. A real sense of struggling to get it to fit together and an amping up of characters just so they weren't the characters they were in Series 1.

@jaydenc367 5 лет назад

eh...I don't think most unbiasd semi or fully critical could agreee in that buy agee to disagree

@Machete180 5 лет назад

2's my favourite still

@stevenh4314 5 лет назад

Um, I liked 3 so much that I don’t even remember 2. Whatever anyone says, season 3 left me in bittersweet tears, and that’s never happened before. So I’ve got to say that stranger things is my favorite tv series ever (even tho the hipster part of my brain is screaming against it).

@AFlyingCoconut 5 лет назад

19:18 How did you discover the plot to Stranger Things 3, 2 years before it aired? :P

@izzaghassani7187 5 лет назад

WOAH

@Char-kd6bl 5 лет назад

Except the opposite, instead of it being the lab, it was the russians that were the ones opening up the gate to harness its power, but damn it was still frighteningly close enough

@NussyBeth 5 лет назад

Someone finally said it! I cant wait for a review of the new season!

@NussyBeth 5 лет назад

@John Russell I've seen it and believe me...I know...what a disappointment!

@sarahlatshaw1120 5 лет назад

I loved season three but the ending was awful in my opinion and sometimes it was just bad

@bertcompton 5 лет назад

Season 3 is so much better imo, I dont understand most of the complaints

@sarahlatshaw1120 5 лет назад

bert bert I don’t like season three because I expected better and the ending just didn’t give me closure

@bertcompton 5 лет назад

@@sarahlatshaw1120 I thought that the letter at the end was such a perfect ending. Imo the ending might be the best part of the whole season

@lennypayne4241 5 лет назад

Season 2 may not have been without flaws, but it wasn't _that_ bad. Either way, at least season 3 made up for all of it's faults.

@JuanSolo9 5 лет назад

I'd say S3 made up for most of it. There's still some issues though.

@ihbupontyne 5 лет назад

Lenny Payne it didn’t though

@tysimmons8694 5 лет назад

Except for the Mikes-an-ass problem.

@luke.y 5 лет назад

@@tysimmons8694 I don't think that's a problem really he's just suppossed to be an ass

@veturwinter 5 лет назад

LMAO No it didn't lol

@stanleylee3329 5 лет назад

Idk about y’all-but I loved Bob in that season. I wish he woulda stayed😕

@joel.jpgvid 5 лет назад

as long as I live, I will always believe that Stranger Things should’ve been an anthology series. Season 1 was a great contained little 80s throwback story. Season 2 just seemed unnecessary. Fun, but unnecessary. Season 3 has similar problems to 2, but it expands on the characters and feels like a natural progression of the kids and the story. I can’t stop thinking how each season could’ve been a different story in a different era, etc. Similar to American Horror Story or Black Mirror, two very popular shows both known for having a variety of stories. I still like Stranger Things as it is now, but I can’t look past that wasted potential.

@bridgetmartin7650 5 лет назад

The original plan was to do a different town in each season like AHS but they liked the cast so much they wanted to bring everyone back

@joel.jpgvid 5 лет назад

Bridget Bonner WHAT. I knew it, I had a feeling that they liked the cast too much to turn them away.

@VenomRaven 6 лет назад

I went into the second season with the same feelings as you. I questioned why we needed more from these characters when everything had been tied up extremely well. I found the fist two episodes the hardest to watch. First of all, all of the plot around Will's visions and his suffering has no impact because we haven't been shown that he is back to normality or that he is losing an ordinary life. Essentially he has no stakes to lose. I also found Jonathon and Nancy's relationship really irritating. I like them a lot as characters in S1, but its almost like they purposefully ignored any character growth from S1 just to reuse the same story again. I think it was good for what it was, but next time we need something different. Different characters with a different super natural element. Thanks for your thoughts.

@Terkzorr 5 лет назад

"I found the fist two episodes the hardest to watch." I stopped right in the middle of episode 1. And that is after binge watching the first season. I had the same feeling I had when trying to watch Season 2 of True Detective.

@phantomr277 5 лет назад

I’m interested to know what you thought of Season 3.

@ecchiboy1724 5 лет назад

oh my god i think the high production values blinded me and how much i liked the first stranger things i now see the glaring designed floors. Great video keep it up!

@checkouijuliet 5 лет назад

4 seasons?! Season 3 was....a lot more disappointing than season 2, in my opinion, and again more of the same. I doubt they'll do something with Kali in season 4, as it's either gonna be disappointing to only see Kali and not any of the other numbered kids or it's gonna feel rushed as hell to only meet these numbered kids in the last season.

@checkouijuliet 5 лет назад

@GuiltyUntillProvenSober i think its because im not american, so i really couldnt find myself in the whole 4th of july thing. Hell, even in my own country i dont care for the whole "lets celebrate our country" thing. I did like a lot of the season, dont get me wrong. Id give it a solid 7/10. But the russians felt completely extra to me, like they were just sort of thrown in. I know they did it bc in the 80s every american movie villain was a russian, but every single one of em except alexei just felt like filler to me. I cant even remember the name of the russian terminator guy, i dont think they ever even mentioned it. I did like the whole max/eleven friendship, but i disliked how max became a total drama source all of a sudden. In the 2nd season she had a very anti-drama personality. When the boys were being weird and vague about not telling her stuff, she told them to eff off, basically. When mike was being a douchebag, she told him to eff off. Compare that to how shes super into shit stirring in the beginning of this season and it just felt wrong to me. 2nd season max wouldnt have given a shit about stirring up shit between el and mike, or flipping out at lucas for no apparent reason. Now shes telling el to spy on the boys? It just felt like a whole leap. Other than those problems though, i genuinely enjoyed the season. I liked murray and alexei a lot, looooved the friendship between robin and steve and billy's redemption arc was genuinely touching. But it did feel like more of the same. Problems in the friend group, problems between hop and el, will basically being a detect-o-monster and nothing else, joys love interest dying.. All happened in season 2 already. I am curious where theyll go next season now that el has seemingly lost her powers, but idk. While i enjoyed this season, it feels like they tried to emulate season 2 (and in some parts, did a better job than season 2 did, but it felt like emulating it all the same) while it couldve been so much more.

@zaidgulkhan7588 6 лет назад

But you gotta appreciate Kyle Dixon and Michael Stein for their work, i mean the soundtracks and sound effects just lifts up the scenes and makes it much more powerfull to watch

@Sploooks 6 лет назад

Zaid gul Khan Dixon and Stein's soundtrack for season 1 was phenomenal, season 2 was about as good but introduced a terrible song for all the emotional moments called Eulogy which sounds like a dying turtle being squashed by a rock

@valeriegrindinger6294 5 лет назад

And no one even mentions the Mr. Plinkett impression. Spot on.

@dantelundell9386 6 лет назад

I bingewatched Stranger Thing's first season in the matter of two days and then completely dropped the second season. I've only made it halfway through your video so far but I am so happy to hear you line out the same gripes I had while watching it. Thank you and have a great day Fox!

@Foxcade 6 лет назад

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!

@nubianpride86 5 лет назад

Dante Lundell agreed

@brianfitzsimmons6074 5 лет назад

This is a year late, but you should stomach through season 2 just so you can watch season 3. I felt like the show definitely got back on track.

@x2z964 4 года назад

@@brianfitzsimmons6074 Guess that depends on the viewer. I went into season 3 with very low expectations and still finished it with a negative opinion. It went from a mystery set in the 80s to a show constantly bashing people over the head with the 80s "nostalgia" because apparently people really love fanservice.

@Wesley-rf2kt 5 лет назад

Honestly I loved Mike and Hopper's relationship (however small it may be). That moment when mike punches Hopper for hiding El was one of the strongest, if not the strongest moment in season 2 for me. Edit: Season 3 ruined it.

@JuanSolo9 5 лет назад

@@namelessguy5491 I felt the same during the first episode. Episode 2 wasn't much better because of how he handled the situation with Hopper. Though as the season went on he did learn from and admitted his mistakes.

@Peasham 6 лет назад

Literally hadn't even finished the title, and I'm like "RIP Fox"

@Foxcade 6 лет назад

Yup, I'm looking forward to my channel imploding in on itself any minute now

@Sm0k3turt 5 лет назад

Season 2 is the rickety bridge to season 3.

@mothmadam 5 лет назад

i really love this video because it put into words why i was so MEH about the disappointment that is season 2 and i really hope you make a video about your thoughts on season 3

@Mr_Gaming_Banana 5 лет назад

If this is why you don't like Season 2, you're going to hate Season 3

@bogdanshymanovski 5 лет назад

No not really, the roles of most characters have changed, Nancy is still useless and mike is still an asshole but it’s pretty alright

@woahlucid 5 лет назад

i didnt like season 2 but binged 3

@FoxyGuyHere 5 лет назад

@@bogdanshymanovski How is Nancy useless? She was the first that npticed sth was wrong and did her best trying to find an answer.

@brianfitzsimmons6074 5 лет назад

@@bogdanshymanovski If anything Jonathan is pretty useless in season 3, not Nancy. The biggest disappointment I thought was Will.

@motorwayt-s628 5 лет назад

Brian Fitzsimmons he didn't do a whole lot until the end when he took charge got the ignition cable, tried to get the thing out of El, and drove the gang away from the mind flayer

@teruhiiko 5 лет назад

I totally agree that S2 was just bad writing. Yikes. I would love to see your take on S3!

@Lockn3s5 6 лет назад

I hated season 2 of Stranger Things. I agree with everything you said. There wasn't much the Duffer brothers added to the story or the world. The upside down was incredibly underdeveloped in season 1 so season 2 should have expanded on it but they merely just added this mind flayer thing with absolutely no context. The real threat are the demodogs which arent as imposing or powerful as the demogorgon. I was pissed most of my viewing time after the third episode. I was uninterested, uninvested, predictable, and impatiently waiting for the story to move along. By the end, the most important plot thread, the mind flayer, is still underdeveloped. Season one wrapped the story up pretty tightly and writing future stories needed to be well thought out. I've watched the first season like 5 times and still love it. I have no desire to revist season 2 like ever. lol

@slayeulgi 5 лет назад

Season 3 is alot better

@ItsSupercat94 5 лет назад

why would they completely develop the mind flayer if he was going to be the season 3 villian?

@Thierce 5 лет назад

@@ItsSupercat94 they could have had another vilain for s3...

@ItsSupercat94 5 лет назад

@@Thierce That's true, but the mind flayer was made to seem like the biggest bad there is in the stranger things universe. I think it would be a waste to use him just for half a season. That's like using ultron for half a movie and then having Thanos being the villian for the other half.

@Thierce 5 лет назад

@@ItsSupercat94 It doesn't matter who was supposed to be the ultimate vilain ; my point is the writers handled it badly. They should have either used two different villains for the seasons 2&3 and developp them fully within their own seasons, or have handled him better in season 2 so that he felt like more a threat, the way he did in season 3

@tsuriranpu 5 лет назад

I haven't finished the new season yet. 1 episode to go but I feel a lot of these things also still effect season 3. Alot of stuff and motivations are used again like it never happened. A lot of development gets thrown out of the window again.

@PrometheanFlame 5 лет назад

Definitely. It feels like they added way more product placement this season, too.

@exe4780 5 лет назад

@@PrometheanFlame That's more of a nitpick

@Weird_but_neat 5 лет назад

Tom Diepeveen season 3 is the best season imo

@tsuriranpu 5 лет назад

@@Weird_but_neat hhhmmm eh I still think season 1 is the best. They handle the changes from light to dark somewhat better and the build up is more genuine for me in the first season. This season went from dark af to happy saturated shopping sprees hahaha. Also think the character motivations and actions are a lot clearer and thus fresher

@animebrains6859 5 лет назад

I actually liked season 3 a lot more, while I disliked season 2

@Hboybatman 5 лет назад

Really good video, surprised it doesn't too many views. With the popularity of this show it seems like people are just hesitant to criticize it. All the issues in the second season are just continued right into the third. It's sad to see a show with such heart and passion become so sterile.

@luvysworld123 5 лет назад

Season 2 is forgettable, not that entertaining, and many mistakes (as said in the video). Season 1 is the best hands down. Season 3 is a little annoying and you see visible mistakes but it’s still enjoyable to watch and a little satisfying (in my opinion).

@GarryWilliams555 5 лет назад

Agreed. I loved the first season so much but season 2 bored me to tears.

@shadowstep12300 5 лет назад

Season 1 was amazing, Season 2 was kinda meh but still enjoyed it, and Season 3 was good as well but I felt like in that season everyone was getting into a relationship as if it was mandatory (LucasXMax, DustinXSuzie, ElvenXMike, HopperXWillsMom, etc) I even thought towards the end Steve and Robin would end up dating; while I liked them as a duo I’m kinda happy they stayed just as a friends because it felt more realistic. I also was wondering if they were ever going to bring back Kali (other mind power girl) back but she didn’t even get a mention and kind of the same story changed a bit; bad people are opening up the dimension and the heroes must close it so the Mind Flayer can’t destroy the world. I was hoping that maybe they would find another dimension and then discover that new environment conflicts (new antagonist) or bring in a different character that has supernatural abilities but this time keep them as a character throughout the season rather than just one episode. I just felt like there still issues in the 3rd season but I still loved it.

@KaySee903 5 лет назад

Honestly this is how I thought about the seasons Season 1: the cliffhanger exists but I don’t care about a sequel Season 2: wasn’t needed and I want a sequel less now Season 3: can not WAIT for the next, they did so much this season and it took the stuff from season 1 and added steroids to that, Murray went from one of the weakest characters to straight up having his own phone number as an Easter egg for secret dialogue

@averageman4873 4 года назад

Season 3 was fucking ass dude.

@peytonblanscet6035 5 лет назад

I have no idea why RU-vid recommended this, I've never really watched any stranger things videos on RU-vid and it's a 2 year old video, but I'm glad I did. It's been too long since I watched season 2 to really remember, but I love the video! Definitely subbing

@CatharticCreation 4 года назад

Loved season 1 and 2. HATED Season 3. Especially the constant action with no real buildup

@CocktailsConsoles 5 лет назад

Glad to hear I wasn't the only one who thought Season 2 was regurgitated Season 1 :)

@o.t.d_ody_the_dreamer 5 лет назад

Funny cause season 3 is just regurgitated season 2.

@timothymorris157 5 лет назад

Season 1 is the best whereas season 2 is barely entertaining and season 3 has a lazy yet somehow satisfying finale. It seems to be taking a downward slide but I’m gonna continue to watch the series until it gets cancelled unlike Game Of Thrones.

@nmikk10 5 лет назад

Season 2 is the least rewatchable. I just can never being myself to see it again mostly because Eleven is basically omitted from the main group and doesnt really do much and that the characters never felt like they actually grew as people.

@OkSharkey 5 лет назад

You can see how much they absolutely hate the kids if you watch the interviews with the cast; it's hilarious

@michaelh9649 5 лет назад

@OkSharkey lol you mean like the cast hates the kid actors?

@motorwayt-s628 5 лет назад

I saw an interview where it turns out they pressured El 's actress to kiss Mike in the end scene even though she didn't really want to

@bridgetmartin7650 5 лет назад

Marceli Tucker-Szudra actually it was Sadie (max) who didn’t want to kiss Caleb (Lucas)...Millie (El) wanted to kiss Finn (Mike) because of how much the fans love mileven but Sadie didn’t want to kiss Caleb the duffers just added it last minute

@motorwayt-s628 5 лет назад

Bridget Bonner yeah I knew it was something like that

@dylandruryformerlyyungjabb3913 6 лет назад

I know this is some tinfoil s*** but the point of the conspiracy guy I forget his name right now was the show you the mirror of what the show is actually doing The Duffer brothers are telling a true story stranger things is based on real things but you have to water it down so people won't think you're crazy my water down I mean change some things and make it fictional

@nathansentertainmentnews6971 5 лет назад

Dylan Drury Murry

@naotatheendlessesper 4 года назад

@honkhonk5000 5 лет назад

Fell asleep during the first episode and immediately gave up on it.

@doobasaurus 4 года назад

Season 1: Super mysterious and even scary Season 2: Nice character development, still a great Season Season 3: Even more character development and still amazing No issues with any season

@legobossk5551 4 года назад

doobie david every show has an issue

@shaterlemming2549 6 лет назад

Poor Samwise.

@lewisgg1234 5 лет назад

Max did do something. She drove the car (zoomer)

@AaronLoving 5 лет назад

As someone who actively seeks out negativity I really wanted to watch this video, but to help myself better understand it I took the time to watch the first 2 seasons of Stranger Things, and thank you for accidentally introducing me to a show that I really enjoy. I had a great time watching it, and though it was not your intention I still feel the need to give thanks where it's due!

@sebflynnfilms 5 лет назад

Season one was really good, it had some creative moments in writing and had great character development, but there is a movie called Super 8, it’s not that well known, it’s a movie by JJ Abrams, but so much from that movie was ripped off by stranger things, and I think Super 8 is more relatable and more realistic kids, but I really enjoyed season 1 of stranger things, it was a solid 8.7/10 SEASON 2 HOWEVER (I’ll be 100%, honest, I really liked it when it first came out, but now there are so many things wrong with it) Season 2 felt unnecessary because it just felt like a ploy to tell the fan base that eleven is alive. The monster felt pushed in and had no impact, it wasn’t even referenced in season 1, the characters felt boring and not relatable, I won’t talk about episode 7 because it sucked sooo much, the only thing I liked was the cinematography, but for a show that is praised for having amazing storytelling, no no no, I disagree, season 2 is a 5.5/10

@justinstewart9145 5 лет назад

"because it just felt like a ploy to tell the fan base that eleven is alive" The trailers already spoiled that Eleven is alive though. So that's the fault of spoiler trailers though.

@sebflynnfilms 5 лет назад

Justin Stewart I get that, but it still just felt like fan service

@nykcarnsew2238 5 лет назад

SEB FLYNN FILMS Super 8 and Stranger Things are both homages to the same set of 80s kids adventure and horror movies, it's inevitable that they'd have a lot of similarities

@shockblast_cannon7002 4 года назад

What’s hilarious about Season 3 is that there isn’t a single mention to Kali at all All we get is a *still frame* that lasts for *half a second* That’s how much the creators just wanted to forget about S2 E7

@user-cp4et1vr5r 4 года назад

I feel like season 2 is DEFINITELY needed because We wouldn’t see the importance of momma Steve.

@MarillSweatshirt 5 лет назад

Season 1 is the only good season. You can tell they had no idea this would be a hit. They clearly have potential to do better; they just need more time when putting together certain products.

@alijade3211 5 лет назад

although i do like stranger things, season 2 and 3 have felt a bit dragged out. season 2 did not bother me as much because i did enjoy a lot of the characters development (though i did have my gripes with it), but season 3 definitely felt like they kept opening up a closed book. the continuous resolutions at the ends of seasons and the reopening of the same problems has sometimes felt monotonous. there are so many wonderful things about the show that keep me watching every season, but i believe that they have disappointed me in terms of overarching plot from season to season

@nickwiley9647 5 лет назад

Seriously, either drop the supernatural element of the show after season 1, or maybe focus on a new threat. Frankly the upside down and monsters are uninspired and that was fine for season 1 since it was vague enough to be intriguing. Now it is frankly lame.

@alijade3211 5 лет назад

Nick Wiley i think the problem is that since we already understand the upside down, there is so much less mystery than in the first season. the audience can’t really experience the fear of the unknown, and it prevents people from keeping as much interest

@nataliav3852 4 года назад

13:09 Max actually was, in a way, a brave girl that stands up to the monster while the boys cower in fear because while Billy (the monster) was beating Steve half to death she stuck the needle in his neck (standing up to him) while the boys were frozen in their place (cowering in fear)

@jamesdan6895 5 лет назад

Yes! Hopper and Steve are so far and away the best characters

@oKiirby 5 лет назад

Don’t forget Dustin

@frosty_blacksmith9780 5 лет назад

And Alexei

@threeletteragent 5 лет назад

@@frosty_blacksmith9780 Alexei was a terrible charicature. His character was absolutely butchered, and his death was very obviously played for a cheap emotional beat. It's a shame, because an enemy defector could have made for one of the shows most interesting characters.

@Inkbud 5 лет назад

@@threeletteragent I mean that's one way to look at it. I look at him as the role of reality, just when he finally comes to peace of mind he's killed, and that's the kinda shit people face alot in the real world.

@yeetustothefeetus4802 5 лет назад

I mean, if Joyce is happy, there would be no Stranger Things XD

@theawesomebat1244 4 года назад

yeetus to the feetus Season 2: *Bob dies* Season 3: *Hopper is presumed dead and leaves her house* The only time we saw Joyce happy was when Will was saved from the Upside Down in Season 1.

@ranickhaan 5 лет назад

You are the voice in my head. Additionally, let’s not pretend that Episode 7 was not the writers attempt to, “Punch *some* people in the face.” Season 3 is very much the same.

@EchoWinters 5 лет назад

Andris Paralax I know! Everyone loves it and I’m just like “why? It doesn’t even feel 80s anymore. It was clearly written for the preteen fangirls

@averageman4873 4 года назад

@@EchoWinters Exactly!

@Jack-zd3vr 5 лет назад

I only now watched all three seasons for the first time in a 3 day span, so I have a pretty fresh opinion. Season 1: Season one was a fresh, new, Stephan King esque show that had immense originality. All the characters had charm and purpose in their own unique ways. It conveyed severity and emotion very well whilst implementing humor and horror. My only true gripe was that the acting at parts was mediocre/sub-par, but it’s expected with children. Season 2: Too derivative of season one (eg: some same characters had no purpose and the plot roles were similar). Some parts lacked urgency and grievousness. Some parts were simply inane. However some parts, (Steve/kids) were charming and well executed/written. Overall, it just didn’t expand much on the first season and played it safe. It also housed the worst episode by far, episode 7. Season 3: This season was fresh. It was reminiscent of the first season in its originality and charm. It included new, like able characters who weren’t completely useless and had great scenes overall. I thought the breakup shit was a bit forced but that’s just my opinion. It was an emotional and nicely unique season on par with season one. Ranking: Season 1: 9/10 Season 2: 7/10 Season 3: 8/10

@privcraft_ 5 лет назад

I did the exact same thing. I started the show on Saturday and I finished this Monday

@ZaPaMi3 5 лет назад

I loved season 1 and season 2 lost me. Now I'm just indifferent. It's the same thing without the explanations. It was a drag. I was so damn excited and left unsatisfied. I never looked up ant videos on if anyone felt how I did but watching your Resi 4 retrospective and this was recommended and I seriously thought I was the only one who didn't enjoy season 2. Wow. great video.

@MrItMusic 5 лет назад

It had to be said. You went easy on it though

@legoboy-ox2kx 5 лет назад

I like how Will is actually a character in season 3. They somewhat addressed Mike's attitude problem as well.

@Abigail-ir3zg 5 лет назад

legoboy0109 Same, Will is one of my favorite characters so I was glad they didn’t just use him and some kid who needed to be saved again. My only issue is that he got barely any screen time. It would’ve been nice to see Will more and how he’s coping with everything. For me the only character building scene is when he destroyed Castle Byers (it really showed that he understood that he isn’t a kid anymore) which was super heartbreaking. Noah is a phenomenal actor and I hope we can really see more of who Will is in season 4.

@lindsaydahl9748 5 лет назад

i disagree with the truth getting out not having lasting effects. the reason they wanted barb’s parents to know barb was dead was because they were on a hopeless mission and about to sell their house. they were waisting tons of money and nancy knew it was for nothing. the “truth” getting out gave the family closure, and yes, justice for barb. also, the scientists do get killed off by those demodogs but those were reinforcements for those killed off by eleven in season 1. that means if the lab did not get shut down, more reinforcements could of come again. so ultimately, there were lasting effects that plot line had.

@ARCtrooperblueleader 4 года назад

I definitely subbed and liked. I will keep up to date to this lovely channel.

@tonkaice1 6 лет назад

you literally said everything that i have felt crazy for thinking about stranger things 2, and said it better than i could Good to know i'm not the only one who felt let down, great video man!!

@joshhernandez8771 5 лет назад

Can you do a vid about season 3? I think they fixed the problems of season 2 as well as expanded themes and scope! It feels like the Duffer Brothers know more about were to take the characters and story.

@TheMontesaurus 5 лет назад

For me, I enjoy the writing of 'Dark' so much better in comparison.

@helloimlilac 5 лет назад

TheMontesaurus ahhh that show is so good

@JoeCoolMaveric 6 лет назад

Me, before the video: I watched the whole second season. Let's see what he has to say--- Me: after the video: Oh...oh...ooohhh...man. This season is so much worse then I remembered...

@JoeCoolMaveric 6 лет назад

31:52 ...Uh, what are you talking about? You do realize that was just an illusion, right? Made my Kali?

@Foxcade 6 лет назад

Yes, that scene was an illusion but earlier in the episode, the security guy they went to go kill kept saying he was alive. I used that clip though because it actually showed the character I was talking about, though in hindsight I could have used a shot of the guy swearing he was still alive

@JoeCoolMaveric 6 лет назад

Foxcade, ah okay.

@WuZei 6 лет назад

Though I enjoyed season 2, there were several valid points about the story development and character flaws that didn’t pay off. One thing that I felt was missing was the bullying from season 1 on the main cast, their misfits and not really explored again in season 2. It could have given almost a backlapse for the characters due to Eleven’s missing part in most of the season, instead they paid more attention to new characters.

@1OtherMr 6 лет назад

That hotline miami soundtrack tho

@VanitasVT 5 лет назад

This was well said and even though I do love season 2 these points definitely make me see it in a different light

@JavRexgteneg2pIift 5 лет назад

Since season 3 is out, are you going to make a video about it?

@datrippster7633 5 лет назад

No cause it was really well written. :/

@sN00p_ 5 лет назад

@@datrippster7633 ha that's a lie

@sN00p_ 5 лет назад

@KickBoxerXD i never said he couldn't have his own opinion...lmao

@amala1333 5 лет назад

@@datrippster7633 excuse me. What

@datrippster7633 5 лет назад

Mario Galan sorry but season 3 was wonderful. But that’s just opinion. But like a lot of people’s opinion :/

@Islandswamp 5 лет назад

I liked it. I don't disagree with your points necessarily, but it wasn't enough to make me not enjoy it.

@ROCK_UNIVERSE97 5 лет назад

This season was so boring i was happy season 3 was much more fun.

@cloverfield369 5 лет назад

I loved the Hotline Miami soundtrack during the video! You did an awesome job explaining the faults of season 2 as well, very well done video!

@CaelumN0ctis 5 лет назад

Season 1 was a legit horror show. Meanwhile in Season 2 we have demogorgons turning into pets with a sense of "love/attachment", dragging it all the way down to a PG13 kid's show.

@maxjones503 5 лет назад

Stranger Things is disappointing *despite* the fact it showed a lot of potential? Surely that is exactly what makes it disappointing?

@maxjones503 5 лет назад

@Joseph Gonzalez I'm sorry. Did you read my comment? I think you meant to post this somewhere else because I was just correcting a grammatical error in the video.

@animebrains6859 5 лет назад

I’d love to know your thoughts on season 3

@DriesduPreez 5 лет назад

Oh boy, you're gonna have a field day with Stranger Things 3

@KennethJamesYT 5 лет назад

I added this to my watch later, so I can watch it once I finish it.

@ar1ose 5 лет назад

am i the only one who actually disliked season 3? i genuinely think they should've ended it with either season 2 or 1 since they both had perfect endings to end the whole show with.

@Spiderpig1223 5 лет назад

He’s just salty because bob died. Don’t worry I still am.

@jordanherkowski5052 4 года назад

You gonna do a video for season three?

@mojoriot2293 5 лет назад

Not sure how I missed this vid, maybe I didn't want anything to make my opinion about this season any worse than it already was. However, I think you nailed all the things that bothered me about this season. I knew this season bugged me somehow, but couldn't quite put my finger on exactly what it was. It's a nice job of thoughtful analysis and sound reasoning, and it makes sense without ranting. In other words, good vid man! I just watched your Batman: AA vid, I love that game, and you nailed that one too.Btw, Dark Knight is, one of my favorite movies too, if not THE favorite. Glad to have stumbled on to your channel, looking forward to checking out your other vids. (Sorry for the long comment, seems you have plenty of those.😁)