I feel for the young man who watched a scene from D.P. for the first time prior to his enlistment. D.P. was horrifying and traumatizing, but if it is sparking national discussion on how to reform the S.Korean military, then I'm glad it was made. Unfortunately, there are far too many similar situations in other environments (schools, fraternities, police/fire departments etc.) and countries where abuse and bullying need to be eliminated.
This type of treatment creates weak soldiers, broken men, mean bosses, abusive husbands, distant, traumatized fathers, and a weak country. The original disinfectant is light. With this national conversation brought to the light, Korea has a the opportunity to strengthen it's soldiers, military, men, husbands, fathers, and all of society. Conscription is a great sacrifice and cost. Korea could use it as a great opportunity to make psychologically, emotionally, and physically healthy, balanced and cooperative men. It can change their entire society - home life, corporate culture, gender issues, birth rate, and abuse throughout society. God bless to all the young people of Korea, the future and most important asset of the country.
I went to a boarding science academy for a couple of years. It was known to be very prestigious. But the truth is that those that lived comfortably in the hierarchy just turned a blind eye to the ruthless bullying. Watching DP was too intense for me because it reminded me of the worst periods of my life, where keeping silent is incentivized. 😔 Im truly surprised that people arent dismissing the drama considering how nationalistic Korea is known to be, but I’m so glad.
happy to see haein taking on such bold roles , he is stepping out of his melodramas and is taking on different roles , cant wait to see his acting in snowdrop
Yes i love when he played this kind of characters because he is capable of it. I love with his mellow, romantic characters but jung hae in has so much more potential in various dramas/movies characters
I love how my first drama of him was D.P.. He played such a big and bold role that I can't imagine him in a romance drama so I can't wait as well to see him in Snowdrop.
I am Korean and I served in the military in 2000. At that time, it was a hell worse than a D.P drama. But now the military has changed a lot. Mobile phones were also allowed to be used freely, and the period of military service was shortened. It's improved a lot now, so it's not as severe as the drama
Really, I thought that was a hell scene story of D.P potrayed how you guys serve in military. We also have our own military service in our country but I think if this D.P story was true, that’s really horrifying 😳
Yeah the situation may have gotten better, enlistment has shortened and their are more privileges. But I don't think that means the people and they harsh bullying has changed though.
My father would tell absolute horror stories of the things he had to go through. One incident was his superior, being all drunk, calling out his name because he was jealous of my father being in university while serving, using live ammunition ( this was back in the 1970's) and trying to actively kill him or hurt him with his m16 rifle. There were many more incidents like this but this was the most direct lethal against him.
@@debbieco2967 am just scared of the s. Korean society based on the many k dramas l have watched bullying seems like a big issue that needs to be addressed coz some of them are based on real life events
Since people are sharing their Dad’s experience of SK military service in the 1980s. After watching D.P together, my Dad shared that there were higher ups who would wake all the newly recruits or lower rank soldiers up at 2am in the morning all drunk and beat them until pulp every night - he was beaten too. And, a man who actually acted mentally disabled and bowed down to a rock every morning in order to end up serving down in Jejudo island where it’s less dangerous, he was beaten a lot too. My Dad commented that at one point he also felt so outraged by the bullying he wanted to shoot the ‘bullies’ and all and take his own life afterwards- I’m glad he didn’t or else I wouldn’t have been born 😔😢. I can only imagine how unfair it can be for those who are brutally bullied not only in military but overseas and elsewhere like schools, workplace, family, etc. and have gone through such injustice.
The writer of D.P. is honestly the coolest drama writer there is! Y'all cant argue even if you tried. I love this drama because this is a convo that has been put on hold for far too long.
There is bullying everywhere in society. The military, by its nature, operates hierarchically, thereby elevating the effect of bullying. This is a bold drama.
yeah it is basically a bullying but its bit different with bullying everywhere in society. maybe more close to hazing? also different. its really hard to tell. won't get it unless you experience it. It is very unique culture that only exist in the military. normally, people think bullying as tough guy making fun of weaker guy or beat up right? but in military its like even if you are physically weak, but if you got a higher rank, you can bully lower ranks. even if you don't want to, others will force you to do it. and yeah it sucks
But does it make it better? Seems like it's normalized in Korean military. For example, in the USA military, bullying is a tool to break someone down but only to rebuild them up to better, stronger, more dependable person. It seems like the bully in the film want to only to destroy the person without opportunity to make them stronger. In fact, the bully's action will definitely warrant them to a military court and me punished. The US military is somewhat progressive in bully since it does reduce unit morale and efficacy.
@@Al4beef Agree, some says only to rebuild strong personality inside individual character but some says it is just damages the personality as humanity inside like triggered more on negatives side such as bad temper and heartless hurting people around... But I think they should know more properly how to rebuild other character to be strong and bold without any sort of harassment
Considering Korea Now is whole or partly funded by the govt, it is great to see that there is still freedom of press to discuss this sensitive topic of bullying in the army.
@@doughminatrix true. I feel if it was made by one of the broadcasting stations, they’d be a lot of pressure to not show such aggressive things. Problems with advertisements and stuff. Despite all these I think SK still leads in addressing issues through movies and shows.
@@mk4883 Don't try to teach me my country's history. I'm a Korean dude. Please learn more about Korea if you really think you know. 40 year is plenty enough for everything to change. Even Korea itself chnaged only in 50 years when only regarding economical aspects. People like you never try to learn and live the past for their entire life.
I found this story horrifying. It made me think psychopaths and sadists will gravitate in the military. It will give them the freedom and the opportunity to make the trainees’ life a hell. Making the trainees work hard and study hard is understandable as a form of discipline but physically, sexually and psychologically abusing them to hide your insecurity is a stretch.
If you like to read i recommend a book called "The wisdom of psychopaths"...They gravitate to every area where there is power to be had not just military; corporate, competitive sports, civil service incl police, medicine/surgery (particularly heart and brain). As long as the world is full of people, where there is a place to get a high off feeling the most powerful person in the room, having someone's life in your hands and choosing to kill or save them, they will be there but not easy necessarily easy to spot.
I was discharged in 2014. The movie seems to accurately represent the days when I was in the military. However, most of the Korean military is at the forefront. The G.P, G.O.P in front of North Korea are far more cruel and dangerous.
I cried to think what if it were my son or grandson to experience such mistreatment. So. Korean society has a huge problem with bullying not just in the military but in their schools and in the job force. So. Korea promotes in the media to be safe? But not for their own population the government needs to take drastic measures and enforce laws protecting an individual's human rights. I applaud those who are finally taking a stan and exposing the reality of what their military actually is.
Hello I am korean. Compared to American soldiers, there are huge mistreatment to korean soldiers. They get paid less than 500 every month. On top of that, when you are done serving, there is no extra credits anymore which used to be helpful to get hired by companies. This system was removed due to many korean women thought it was 'unfair'.
*edit* I would say SK still safer than America right now. Random assaults and robberies going on here rn it's crazy. Far from pefect but SK is one of the safest countries in the world still.
Every male in my family can relate to this film. They all served in the SK military and it's interesting to see the changes that have been made throughout the decades. My uncles and dad served in the 1970s-1980s where military service was 4 years long and hazing was probably at its peak and it was completely normal. They would get there asses beat and would hand down the ass beatings to the newer recruits as shown in the film. The bullies become the bullied. My older cousins served in the 90s and 2000s where the military service was then cut down to 3 years and they said things got a bit better when they would compare their services with their dads and by then, superiors were told to keep verbal and physical abuse to a minimum. My cousin witnessed two of his buddies commit suicide. One hung himself. And lastly, my younger cousins just finished their service. It's 2021 and service is now 1.5-2 years and I'm glad to say that they have pretty much banned most if not all the hazing. Thanks to technology, it's hard not to get caught hazing recruits. Thankfully my baby cousins never had to go through with it. As for me, the Canadian military is not at all bad when I compare it to the way soldiers were and are treated in the SK military.
The Asian military is the worst to work as a soldier seniors don't have respect towards juniors they don't leave any opportunity to injure juniors In China junior soldier offer their children to senior officers for their promotions 😢😢😢
I liked how bold this drama was addressing this issue which for a long time has been a taboo subject. For all the cringey kdramas netflix has funded, they are doing a decent job diversifying with thrillers and "based on real life" dramas. The military has it's own law/court system and even classifies/hides a lot so seeing a drama like this out was refreshing. i still thought if we actually got to access classified stuff people would have mental breakdowns seeing what gets covered up. I'm not sure why there is shock or surprise that this happens unless it stems from people fetish-sizing a group, being generally naive and or expecting the SK gov't to block this from airing?. There isn't a military on this planet without these issues, what's worse is they aren't required to disclose all the things that happen, people die in "routine training exercises" or "drills", most of the time it's code for "we can't tell you the truth". Families are made to sign NDAs, it's rare and difficult for stories such as the one this drama is based on to come out publicly. In a few years, they'll do a drama/movie that will showcase the challenges of a female joining the SK military and everyone will act shocked at how rampant sexual harassment/abuse or even how bad females bullying other females in that setting can be. Just look at the US if you want a template The military environment has been designed to purposefully be toxic, with some perks and useful skills to hide the dark underneath, because eggheads don't believe it's possible to create a good and useful army without breaking people's spirit and inserting their propaganda first. Individualism in army recruits means they could run away/defect if sent to the frontlines and you lose a war, gov'ts and politicians don't want that. Or a charismatic private could turn a team against the captain and create disorder in the ranks.
It seems like a great place for bullies to excel and misuse the power that they gain. I hope this drama will open conversation and make massive changes for these young men who proudly serve their country
I'm hoping that when people watch this Kdrama it will become a talking point to effect changes in the military. Bullying of any form shouldn't be allowed to continue without the perpetrator suffering the consequences of their actions!!!
Thank you for your service to protect your country from northern communist so that I can drive my Kia Sportage while listening to Red Velvet song when on the way going to work and back home enjoy watching all these Korean drama with a LG TV and comment on RU-vid here with my Samsung phone now.
Everyone is well spoken and has raised valid points. I liked the drama and I do hope the government would create laws to punish bullying and harassment, not just in the military but also in the whole society.
My friend finished military service almost three years ago but he still has nightmares with his superiors, even though he said there wasn't violence as in D.P I still think it was traumatic somehow? Every Korean friend I have said this, that it was like hell/jail/things like that. And that boy that said the government should pay better is right, if it was possible to turn military service something that the soldiers can be proud of then they'd have even better performance. Better careers inside army, being able to get promoted, my friend said they can't start careers there almost at all ....
Luckily my dad didnt go through any brutal bullying. For some reason he’s just liked by everyone but he did have a friend who enlisted with him & his friend would get beaten to a pulp all the time :/ there was nothing u could do at the time bc even the higher ups didnt care. That friend ended up hitting his own juniors to a pulp when he became a senior; he drastically changed within his 3 years in the military & was never the same. My dad would tell him to stop but then he would just get mad at my dad & take his frustrations out even more. SK military needs reform & im glad this drama is forcing ppl to see what can actually happen in the miliatry 😞 every south korean male has to go to the military. That means some gang members, some high school bullies, college students & then genuinely innocent people. Uncomfortable mixture
Bullying and power abuse are all too common in any type of military or police enforcement. Hope if it is changing, it continues. After all these young men will be the ones called to protect us all, if that call comes.
Bullies should not be leaders nor administrative positions in any profession. In any case they should be the front for enemies. Bullies should be registered as harassment offenders like the sexual offenders.
Watch the drama! It was really good. I binge kdramas all the time. I thought I would binge this 6 episode drama but I had to take breaks. I saw 1, then binged 2-3, then watched 4; at the end of 4, I cried, then watched 5-6. You have to watch 5-6 together, though. This isn’t a genre I particularly watch. It was gritty and tough but really well done. Great cast. I hope things get better for those serving. (That goes for any country’s serviceman or woman.) 💜
I binged it too which yea bites woulda been better. So heartbreaking emotional. it Was very new and diff genre for sure for Korea glad they allowed. And able to make changes and awarenesses with it.
I did the same. I watched the first episode, and then after 2 weeks that's how I continued watching the rest with 2 or three days difference cz it's was so heartbreaking. I had to collect myself after watching each episode.
My dad also told me a lot of horror stories from his time in korean military in the 1980s. He told me they did down dog postion but only on their forehead and had to run around the track until their foreheads bled
An improvement from hellish conditions sounds good at first but you never know if it improved from level 8 hell to level 5 hell. Hell is hell. I’m glad this drama is sparking this conversation, especially in a country that will continue to develop while juggling the threat/reconciliation with their northern counterparts.
When I first told my dad about this show he told me not to talk to him about it. Back then it was horrible despite my dad not wanting to talk about his service AT ALL and I think this show really emphasized how bad it was back then. Sometimes I wish he would talk about it to me 😭😭
This is very interesting to know the reality in S.K military. I can't imagine how worse the people get treated in there in my country when s.k is already that bad. D.P is a very interesting series. I am wonder do idols also get treated that way?
If I had to guess, the ROK military either places them in some publicity unit or tasked with publicity for the military or wherever they’re assigned to the leadership is given strict instructions to maintain proper discipline and don’t do anything to harm the military’s environment. Considering these idols have the power of their fans/the public with their influence it’d be the downfall of the military let them see the real side.
In my country the service period is 12 months but in the past was up to 3 years and I have heard some "funny" stuff from people who served. Like woking up a couple of platoons in the middle of the night to move the building lol yep you heard right. 400 dudes pushing for an hour and entire building pretending that they can move it so the officers can have fun.
I think it stems from Korea's culture of seniority/hierarchy which cannot be easily changed or disregarded. I just hope that seeking professional help is not taboo in Korea and is made available to people who had mental health problems during or after their miitary service. 😢
Here in Germany we paused our mandatory military service in 2010. 10 years later our highest general said that this was actually the best thing they could have done for the military. Yes they have way less people than before but all those active people are specialised and ready whenever something happens. Not having to pay so much money for every single person that will forget everything he learned after 5 years is a huge benifit as well. The only good thing I hear people say about military is that you learn discipline and taking care of your baracks. I was in the first year that didn't have to do the military service and I neither lack discipline nor do I not know how to take care of my apartment :D Pretty much everyone in my family went to military service and they all said they mostly did nothing or drank alcohol.
Korea doesn't worry about money. Because Korean soldiers rarely get paid. Currently, it has increased to about 1/3 of the minimum hourly wage, but it is still very efficient for the state.
@@hp0635 yeah the mandatory people don't get paid well but there are alot of people who take care of the mandatory people who actually get paid a good amount of money. So instead of them taking care of the mandatory people who want to leave as soon as possible, they could take care of people who actually want to stay and make them to way better soldiers. 1 good soldier is better than 100 bad ones.
Hats of to the writer of DP, Kim Bo Tong for bringing this atrocious brutality to the light of day. How anyone in positions of power, could think this behaviour is the way to raise up an army to protect and serve a country patriotically, is beyond comprehension. I would be filled with hate and resentment that my country didnt protect my rights as a human being. I am glad to hear that changes have now taken place, but it still is beyond imagination that grown men could ever behave this way and then God forbid a war broke out you would have to defend and protect each other. Congrats to all of the actors as it would have been an intense time for them having to portray such violence. Jung Hae In is a real talent as was all of the cast.
My father, who was a sort of medical technician in the ROK military told me one story that took place at the shooting range. He said one day, he went into his medical room and saw blood everywhere. It stank, and it completely drenched everything. After figuring out what happened, he said that soldiers were out at the shooting range at night. Eventually, a person shot the target but was informed that he missed (Or something like that, I had a sort of a hard time listening to what my dad was saying.) So, the guy said that he hit the target, and it fell over. They went to check on it, turns out it was a person who was depressed and suicidal. It may have been because of bullying inside the barracks. What's even worse was that at the shooting range, from the place you shoot guns, two or one MP (Military Police) stand on your side. That way, if you try to aim the gun at someone, or try to kill yourself, they can grab the gun and prevent it. The dude who attempted to kill himself, as it was night, "snuck out" according to the MP next to him. My father says that it's most likely not true and that the MP didn't care about it, considering how close they are next to you, and things at night are still illuminated by moonlight, distant lights, etc, etc
The whole bullying thing is like a chain if you are bullied by your seniors you cant just help but bully your junior do you know why ? cause thats the way they were shown . Inorder to end the whole bullying thing they might need around 10 years minimum or maybe it wont even take place
The drama showed me the actual condition of the military and this video showed me how helpless the people are they know that things are happening but still they wont tell it openly coz they need to uphelp their country
Humanity is a sum of all its parts and will always have opportunities to improve. It is human nature. Acknowledging this allows individuals and organizations to continuously improve. Absolutely support ❤ the beautiful quote shared.
thank you so much for this video, after watching the amazing series I tried looking up real cases and how far the series is real, had no luck reading much about it. this video was really informative
Thank you so much Korea now I was waiting for this, I watched the series in 1 day and I have to say that it was a masterpiece. I wanted to know if the reality of Korean military is like this so I searched for info and couldn’t find anything. Thank you for your hard work 🥰
I just finished this show. It was hard to watch. From Psychology Today: ‘Psychopaths generally have a disregard for the distress they cause others, while sadists derive significant pleasure from inflicting emotional pain.’ It’s horrifying that this description fits the abusers that were depicted in the show. In the ‘real world’, the description is usually reserved for criminals who have been convicted of heinous crimes.
I cried so much watching this.. BULLYING happen enywhere school, military, and many more... Thats really destroying people's mental health... Its not easy to heal from that.. Just trying to imagine that my relatives or fam have to go through that ...is just too painful
I watched D.P. (Netflix) mainly because I loved Jung Hae-in’s work in Something in the Rain and One Spring Night. so I’m following the actor. I paused after Ep. 1 because of the emotional darkness & perceived violence of this storyline … after some courage I finished binge watching Seasons 1 & 2 recently and wishing for Season 3. Truth or fiction - D.P. is a great drama, congratulations to Hae-in and the whole D.P. team! 👏 ❤. I hope Snowdrop will be available in Netflix soon!
Not sure about ordinary idols, but popular ones probably treated well, they have military concerts in there, some popular singers in duty can perform on stage
i think the reason why nothing is being improved is the high ranking military officials dun want to admit such things happen as firstly they also experienced it themselves when they are low ranked and also admitting it can mean they will need to step down
Can you trust a news source thats paid for by a government to report a unbiased story about a institution also paid for by that same government. Armies just like societies change slowly. Im sure there have been policy changes but the culture in the military will not have changed very much. I served 9 years in two separate military organizations in two separate countries. This story has been spun to paint a happy picture. You can bet that abuses still occur and until the women of Korea demand better treatment for their husbands, fathers, sons and brothers it will continue because the men have always know and done nothing (they adapted to the culture of the military).
I feel like they could have everyone set aside 4-5 hours weekly and train. If the entire country is going to war, I am sure women will also need to know certain skills. And have a separate military with people more highly skilled. Like career soldiers. And they should probably offer migrant workers who are staying there long term citizenship and have more young people in general. Taking a bunch of men and isolating them from the rest of society is super unhealthy and benefits no one. They just become breeding ground for misogyny. Whereas if you have everyone train together, you foster community. It could be built into school curriculum. Something like emergency first aid…whether a country is in war or not, everyone benefits from everyone knowing cpr. I feel like this whole thing could be different.
Just hearing from this video it makes me really upset. I’m a US Army soldier and I joined to serve and protect our country. That was my choice. Inside military bullying is not tolerated and THATS not who we are, we trained together as brothers, we have this saying YOU WATCH MY BACK AND I WATCH YOUR BACK, it all brotherhood. Trainers they trained you to be tough to fight the enemy not to freaking bully your brothers. Military is my second family so why bully your family. Seniors helps the new recruits to go through their training to be a fighting soldiers. That’s why every US military show pride, respect, and honor to their uniform. Their are some deserters too, that’s showing respect and helping each other become Army strong. Bullying is just a very disrespectful and very hateful way of showing to this new recruits and I’m sure they don’t to be part of this military organization. Over here in America you bully someone your done and your out. SHOW YOUR TOUGHT ON YOUR ENEMIES NOT TO YOUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN THE MILITARY FAMILY. SHOW THEM RESPECT AS YOUR BROTHERS, AS YOUR MOTHER LAND NEEDS THEM TO PROTECT THEIR FREEDOM. WHAT A SHAME THAT I THOUGHT SOUTH KOREA IS VERY WELL PROGRESSED COUNTRY, SPECIALLY AFTER KOREAN WAR. DONT BULLY YOUR BROTHERS OR SISTERS IN THE MILITARY, STAND STRONG AS ONE.. EMBRACED EACH OTHER, BECAUSE YOU ARE ALL THE PROTECTOR OF YOUR MOTHER LAND. REMEMBER WHAT THE ALLIES DID TO YOUR COUNTRY, THEY DIED AND FACE YOUR ENEMIES FOR YOUR FREEDOM. IF YOUR A BULLY ONE YOU THINK YOUR BAD ASS, GUESS WHAT YOUR NOT, YOU ARE A COWARD, BECAUSE YOU ONLY BULLY THE WEAKEST. STOP THAT WAY TREATING YOUR BROTHERS, BELIEVE ME THEY WILL SAVE YOUR LIFE SOMEDAY. STAY STRONG AS ONE. LIKE IN THE US ARMY, WE WILL NEVER LEAVE OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS BEHIND HOOOOOAAAAH ARMY STRONG.
these kind of system happens every where, the one who bully the new one was the one who got bullied when he was new. the cycle will keep happen as long as the system is still there. some people will feel the urge to bully the new one when he get the position later with "I suffered this too back then, I endured it, they should too" mindset...
Im not korean im malaysian … i also served in the army so what can i tell in dp movie is so accurate when i served . I think this thing happen to all army over the world tho….im served only 4 years after that i quit
This is a huge problem in the military training these days. It is not only happening in Korea but also happening around the world. This must be eradicated from the system and that should be in focus by the higher ups.
I really wonder why bullying is prevalent in SK. I mean I often see it in dramas, movies, and even as issues to famous celebs. Then I remember how much of a big deal hierarchy is for them. I think hierarchy is there in the first place to remind people to pay respect to the ones ahead of them but it could be easily used to trample others. Sad reality.
¿En serio es así? Siempre escucho lo malo que la pasan en el servicio militar y lo traumados que quedan, pero nunca dicen qué es lo que les hacen. Creo que se asocia al abuso sexual. Nadie querría contar que los abusaron sexualmente. Me parece horrible y es obvio que cualquiera quedaría tramado y tendría pesadillas.
I am disturbed that some think is okay to endure abuse. You then support and teach that abuse is okay. What are the consequences of NOT speaking out against abuse?
I just watched excerpts of the show ( I def can’t watch the entire show) , it makes me sick to my stomach. The idea that humans can be so vile with not an ounce of remorse or repentance is disheartening…
this is the reality of every enlisted personnel, all of the scenes in this movie is lighter than what is happening in every unit, hazing and bullying is part of the training even dou the government extending its efforts to minimize the bullying and harsh things in the military but all i can say is that is impossible, every men is different kind of breed, others can survive and can handle stress with this kind of treatment but most of the enlisted personnel has a faint heart also which may cause to stress and depression.
I love watching kdramas but the bullying parts always break my heartand wish that is not the reality in korean society. But again if it's portrayed non stop in kdramas means it's kinda exist right?
That's nothing lol. There's way more horrific stuff going on there... One of my friend was forced to do terrible things for his commander. It's terrible and disgusting
One, they're neighbors with North Korea. I shouldn't have to explain to you why a large military is a good idea in that situation. Two, to ensure there's a large reserve manpower pool of people with relatively recent military experience. If you live in a country with a smaller, volunteer military, then how many people do you know who have any military training? That can effectively use a firearm and perform basic maintenance? That are familiar with military equipment, terminology, and rank structures? If an enemy country invaded yours tomorrow, how many people do you know that could be called up to fight without having to be completely trained? Frankly speaking, bodies buy time. South Korea doesn't want a repeat of the Korean War, when the North overran them basically immediately. They need to be formidable enough to hold their own long enough for their main ally, the USA, to help. Preferably, they want to be formidable enough to stop an invasion outright themselves, and with US help absolutely crush any attack.
They say it was to make them tougher. Young boys with dreams n stars in their eyes to be moulded into tough men who can endure pain humiliation suffering. Wats worse is people like some psychopaths, sociopath take this opportunity to do anything they want n the management dont bother. Its almost like there's bullying in schools, colleges. Obviously it will transcend to the military, the workplace. Its natural. People need to understand. Being a jerk is criminal n should stick together with victim not perpetrators. That way the system can truly change.
If this is the way Korean military service is then the will to fight a real war will not be there. Superiors better watch their backs during war from straying bullets.