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Liz interviews a couple whose Grand Design toyhauler is unsafe to use.
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@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

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@Sean2002FU 6 месяцев назад

Liz, Thank you for your videos...... After watching them I've made my decision...With my residential construction / automotive background, and my current job as an industrial mechanic, electronics tech.....I'm building my own RV. From the ground up. Thanks Again!

@JOHNDANIEL1 5 месяцев назад

I designed a RV due to my 20+ years repairing them that would solve 90% of the issues you show. It didn't take my engineering degree to figure it out, only common sense. Even though my methods would save the RV industry millions, they are so corrupt they can't even consider it.

@mysticjedi6730 4 месяца назад

Don't ever buy rv. Cargo trailer and build it out..

@roost3r 6 месяцев назад

"I reached to the head of customer relations at Winnebago, which owns Grand Design, plus my contacts at Grand Design customer service. So far the response I've gotten from them is a hard NO." That's all I needed to hear when it comes to who NOT to do business with. Keep up the OUTSTANDING work, Liz. Keep bringing the truth and eventually the market will implode on these businesses with abhorrent customer service and products.

@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for this! I've worked with a lot of other RV mfrs, as you know, and this is the first time I've gotten a response like this. Now that the video is out I am hoping they change their stance. Thanks for watching and I will keep you posted.

@Technocrat. 6 месяцев назад

No wonder Grand Design is crap, crap making crap.Blind leading the blind.

@darcymoon2109 6 месяцев назад

All these stories, Grand Design would do better just fixing these.

@kcgunesq 6 месяцев назад

I've been researching RV's for a year or so now. I can guarantee you that I wouldn't give a nickle to any Winnebago affiliated company if this is the way they treat customers.

@bubbatim2009 6 месяцев назад

Hey Liz. WOW, I have a Grand Design and have not had any issues with the frame flexing (knock on wood) but I will keep a lookout for problems. I have some advice for Grand Design and Lippor. You need to nip this in the bud NOW. I forsee a class action and a host of BAD press coming your way. You can be proactive or reactive gentelmen, which do you think is good for your company? Safe travels and keep up the pressure...

@chevydude658 6 месяцев назад

Liz you have really saved me from making HORRIBLE mistakes with bad uninformed choices. Thank God there’s somebody speaking up for those of us that are buying these units!

@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

Thanks so much, I sure appreciate your support!

@RalphsPier1961 6 месяцев назад

Totally agree. It just isnt right that many RV makers are selling product with defects, and not standing behind their crappy made RV's. Especially when steel frames are breaking in half. There should be a law to protect the consumers. If I spent over 100K and the frame broke, and the maker of that RV refused to fix it, I would hire a good lawyer. Plus who ever else would go after them.

@plumber1227128 3 месяца назад

Just wait for the technician to get off of work and follow home. Buy him/her a 12 pack and ask all the questions you like with no intervention from management. There I fixed it for ya 👍

@LasVegas68 5 месяцев назад

A guy I worked with retired and wanted a RV to be his home. That guy read and watched hundreds of hours of RV videos. He even went to Elkhart Indiana to where a lot of RV's are built. He told me that the materials and quality of workmanship on RV's was a joke.

@Patrick_Armendarez 5 месяцев назад

So true!

@drn13355 5 месяцев назад

"a guy". Well then it must be true.

@sk-un5jq 4 месяца назад

RVs are underbuilt and not road-worthy in general. They're only engineered to remain stationary.

@jameshudson7752 6 месяцев назад

The best day we had with our RV was when we sold it. It’s not just DG. It’s a lot of manufacturers who just don’t care to dealers who know they’re selling junk! Never again.

@davidwelty9763 6 месяцев назад

Liz, your honest channel has helped me realize that RV life is not for me. Most of these vehicles are junk. I love road trips but I am quite happy staying at hotels along the way. A vacation should be stress free. RV life does not appear to be.

@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

Sorry to hear that, David. Not a good time to buy new, but trailers and fifth wheels built in 2018 and before tend to be well-built. The motorhome sweet spot is 2002 to 2008. Whatever you buy, join the Facebook group of the model to get the scoop from owners. And always get an inspection. Another advantage of buying used is the seller has typically gotten the kinks out. Thanks for watching. For more about what to buy used see my recent video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-JSo5n2B62MA.html

@davidwelty9763 6 месяцев назад

@user-rr7bv6my4e I think one of those Mercedes vans with a rear bathroom would be the closest thing, it when I do the math and consider their upfront cost, MPG, Insurance, storage cost, maintenance, etc. I could take a lot of trips staying nightly in a Hampton Inn before I would even approach the cost of the Mercedes Van.

@minimaxmiaandme.4971 6 месяцев назад

@@davidwelty9763 Yup, and you can hop on a plane and travel to different countries.

@terria4698 6 месяцев назад

Younger and with less time to travel (I now realize what a hell life it was, subsisting on two weeks vacation each year), we did hotels. Apparently, that was a time when they were cleaner, safer and people had manners. Now? Nope. Our 2011 Coachmen Class C. We only had one real mechanical problem: the wire harness controlling the slide fell onto a wheel and was shredded. Other than that, it has been a dream to travel in. Any problems with the RV came from people: during COVID, it was in storage while we sheltered in a condo. Poor Arvee. Broken into, trashed interior, looks like they took a crowbar to the outside, then the &$#( people stole the catalytic convertor. Progressive RV insurance paid for the catalytic convertor, but the exterior damage? They paid a pittance. We've done hotel stays while consulting health specialists and hated .. haaaated ... it.

@kechkaren 6 месяцев назад

The audacity of Grand Design or Winnebago to say they won’t fix it !!

@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

I know it. I will keep pushing and hopefully that will change. Thanks for watching and stay tuned.

@RalphsPier1961 6 месяцев назад

Hell, just JB WELD those cracks. RV plants can't do any better.

@kathykeene2092 6 месяцев назад

That’s exactly what I thought. I think Grand Design went DOWN HILL when Winnebago bought them out.

@russellstewart5414 6 месяцев назад

If those photos are of a 3 year old unit then clearly they know what the actual issue is. There should not be rust on a relatively new unit. As far as shoddy welding, you gets what you pay for. As using cheaper steel may also contribute to weld penetration and over longevity of the frame. Class action lawsuits may be in your future

@minnesotafolk8722 6 месяцев назад

Sadly no one is grateful for your purchase anymore regardless of the cost. Its like retailers seem to think they are the ones doing us a favor 🤔

@kathykeene2092 6 месяцев назад

This couple seem reasonable and are able articulate the issues very well. Shame on Grand Design (aka: Winnebago). I own a Grand Design, 2016, and no problems BUT NOW I AM SO EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED AND EMBARRASSED IN GRAND DESIGN. Shame on Lippert for sending out their RV frames that are unsafe! I think Grand Design needs to hire a flatbed truck and pick up this Momentum and take it to Indiana and FIX IT. GRAND DESIGN, WHERE IS YOUR INTEGRITY?

@stevenjefferys10 6 месяцев назад

I agree that GD needs to take this rig back, but logistically it's not possible to put a big toy hauler like that on a flat bed due to bridge height restrictions. GD should just buy out this couple and then scrap the rig in place.

@thomaswilson8634 6 месяцев назад

Im not defending lippert. But they build frames to the customer specs.

@larachamberlin12 6 месяцев назад

I agree that Lippert should bare some responsibility. I personally would not make frames that anyone designs that are not holding up to the weight and construction

@janetswope5695 4 месяца назад

I’m so so disappointed in hearing this. We just bought a 2024 Grand Design last November. In our research and shopping we eliminated one manufacturer at a time…and landed with only Grand Design left. When we have worked our whole careers as teachers, we are not wealthy people and spending this kind of money on an RV is MASSIVE for us. We have a Reflection 337 RLS and have only had it out twice so far. I hope we don’t have to become unpleasant to get things done with the minor things we are already seeing…oven not working…and leaky seal in the bedroom slide. So far Grand Design has told us they absolutely will replace the seal and do whatever needs to happen to get the oven working. Crossed fingers that our dealer will have our backs. Best of luck with your Momentum…

@thomaswilson8634 4 месяца назад

@janetswope5695 Janet it's a major problem study up on it as much as possible. It has affected other manufacturers in the luxury fifthwheel market and in the cheap pull behinds too. I will pull mine with my Kenworth t680 . I will also keep it as light as possible. I've noticed a majority of the ones on you tube had full-time heavily loaded trls. My 2 cent worth. Road conditions also play (as a retired 4 million mile trucker opinion) a major factor also. Slow down on bridges with rough on an off where thr trl bounces. That's major flex right there. I'm in same boat as yall just use common sense and maybe we get through this.

@DrMott 6 месяцев назад

Thank you Liz for advocating for consumers!

@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for being here!

@tadblankenbaker4587 6 месяцев назад

We have a Grand Design 376TH. 2019. Our driver side wall on the RV sagged due to frame failure. We fixed ourselves. I don’t know why anyone going forward would consider a GD seeing how customer service has handled this major frame issue across so many of their rigs. I never will. Thank you for bringing issues to light. So many are unaware. The 397 across from us had the GD SRT here tacking it together and it’s headed back to factory for frame repair.

@minnesotafolk8722 6 месяцев назад

Bummer! So sorry!

@smirnoff242 6 месяцев назад

I have an 18 376th, before mid year refresh that added the morryde steps. I haven't had any issues aside from leaf springs. What section of the rig had failure? The outriggers in the kitchen area, or up in the living room?

@tadblankenbaker4587 6 месяцев назад

@@smirnoff242 about half way back on the kitchen slide to the mid tire area. The triangle frame gussets are flat aft of the fridge. Those fold and fail. I believe not supported well for washer dryer and pantry weight. This has been an issue on several 376 units. Not all. However the potential is there on all. At least 2019 and earlier for sure.

@smirnoff242 6 месяцев назад

@@tadblankenbaker4587 good to know. Yeah the super wide body with the outriggers doesn't seem like it could support too much weight

@nancyoffenhiser4916 6 месяцев назад

Another thing is that many of these folks are retired and I think manufacturers are thinking "Oh dollar signs so we'll build this thing as cheap as we can to have stockholder returns that are high". In other words, they're taking advantage of people who are retired just for the money.

@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

It's very short sighted of them to not put customers first. Thanks for watching

@markgrehlinger7117 6 месяцев назад

We full-timed. But now when I see rigs going down the road, I shudder every time I see them. I'm just shocked how long it's taking for this to go into a class action suit - Lippert and Grand design need to be held accountable!

@winstonrocco1981 5 месяцев назад

Only thing is Lipert is building what grand design ordered

@vintagebikes4215 6 месяцев назад

Stories like yours have been a major driver of my decision to have nothing to do with RVing. I'm a Pro craftsman and can fix anything, but I won't work with junk. The industry clearly has lost sight of the basic in business...make a quality product, serve your customers, make them happy, keep them happy...that equals repeat business and success as a person and in business.

@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

Sorry to hear that. Not a good time to buy new, but trailers and fifth wheels built in 2018 and before tend to be well-built. The motorhome sweet spot is 2002 to 2008. Whatever you buy, join the Facebook group of the model to get the scoop from owners. And always get an inspection. Another advantage of buying used is the seller has typically gotten the kinks out. Thanks for watching. For more about what to buy used see my recent video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-JSo5n2B62MA.html

@kathykeene2092 6 месяцев назад

@@LizAmazing 100% true. Don’t buy new. As you know Liz, we bought our Grand Design, Reflection (5th wheel), in 2016 and it’s solid. Sometimes I think about upgrading to a newer RV, and then I come to my senses!

@backtoasimplelife 6 месяцев назад

Nobody has to buy this new junk. There were some manufacturers back in the day who did good work. You have to do your research to find out which ones were good. Those are the ones on our short list. I've researched for years.

@zLigHt44 6 месяцев назад

@@LizAmazingListen to Liz,I bought a 2004 Bounder,gas,35' and it's built nice and strong,13,900 miles on it, just broke in, cheap wallpaper the biggest complaint 😅

@lawman5511 6 месяцев назад

There’s a saying in the auto sales industry. “The last thing you want to do is take one of your customers and make them somebody else’s customer.” And that’s exactly what every dealer and manufacturer in the RV business is doing.

@mikeroberts4731 6 месяцев назад

Keep up the good work. Your the best voice out there for the RV consumer.

@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

Thanks so very much, Mike!

@greg1474 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for what you’re doing to help those who feel they have nowhere to turn. God bless. ❤🙏

@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

You are so welcome, Greg, glad to be making a difference! Thanks for watching

@mcooper5929 6 месяцев назад

Thank you.Liz My question to you is. Instead of going to the manufacturer again for answers. What do you think of going to a federal watchdog group or agency or even the Dept of transportation with this video? for sure. As we know these trailers and the bad frames are a danger to the driver and the public being on the road. Think of sharing this video to Pete Buttigieg head of Dept of Transportation

@jos9569 6 месяцев назад

that's a good idea.

@danhunt3652 6 месяцев назад

My experience with RV dealers is they don’t stand behind what they sell. / Basically, there is no service after the sale.

@robertpsotka3525 6 месяцев назад

That's because there are a bunch of kids pretending to actually be some sort of technician working at these dealers

@drn13355 5 месяцев назад

I don't know how one of these things could be built to withstand driving down interstates and random roads. I mean it would be like a house being shaken for 8 hours a day. I agree they are junk, but even built well I don't se how a bouncing house no matter how well built can last.

@athenasword8312 6 месяцев назад

Great work Liz. The most important part of this video his the communication from your confidential informant at Lippert. I hope you'll do a whole video about that. I think this is much bigger than outrage on RU-vid. This needs to be on 60 Minutes or another high profile media exposure. People's lives are literally at risk. One of these big RVs could literally come apart on the highway endangering many people.

@billmikebill 6 месяцев назад

Great video Liz. Keep it going. Inspectors is not the best way to go. Watch other videos. They don’t take apart the rv. They can only see what’s exposed. The big problem here is Indiana attorney general gets a lot of money from the lobbyist. It’s no secret, it’s on RU-vid. Something needs to be done with any trailer that people worked hard to buy. It’s no joke

@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

I know. There are no easy answers. And an inspector is not going to be able to take it apart and see the frame problems, unfortunately. Thanks for watching.

@jjjthomasson8902 6 месяцев назад

I’m becoming convinced after watching and listening to these stories, that none of the RV manufacturing companies have mastered the art of building a quality rig today. However, Liz you are a great communicator and spokesperson for rv’ers.

@bseidem5112 6 месяцев назад

The high end motorhomes (we can't afford) do well but all of rigs below $500K use the buyers as beta testers. A great product lawyer in the northwest said, "Do not buy an RV." To those of us without real cash it means buy an older rv that has everything fixed. Since 84' Foretravel has committed to quality first, Texas.

@hippiebits2071 6 месяцев назад

What a lovely down to earth couple. It just blows the mind how these companies are able to continue selling models with serious defects that could pose a threat to human safety. There is no question that a significantly compromised frame presents a dangerous condition. It’s just outrageous given these are huge units intended and approved for interstate travel. If these were automobile frames or even tricycles with a faulty weld on the back step, there would be a stop sale order and recall!

@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

Yes. This is a disaster waiting to happen. I hope this gets resolved soon, for everyone. Thanks for watching

@jameswatts7720 6 месяцев назад

And/or a class action lawsuit that would require the manufacturers to take accountability.

@minnesotafolk8722 6 месяцев назад

They just don't care anymore

@kenty6973 6 месяцев назад

My road trip experiences told me that I should never follow a 5th wheel or stay close by, especially these newer ones. They will blow up, shred into pieces and eventually put other drivers at risk as well. I got stuck on I-5 in Oregon for 5 hours because of that. Both the 5th wheel and the tow truck were in pieces on the FWY. SAD.

@wolfshurtleff1833 6 месяцев назад

you are indeed amazing, Liz. You are doung a great job with your very professional videos! Hello from your friends Brook & Wolfie

@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

Hi you two! I hope you are enjoying life, big hugs!

@donrozette2706 6 месяцев назад

We have a 2023 397 that is experiencing many of the same symptoms as this couple. Ours has been in the shop for almost 4 months. Very discouraging to say tge least. Legal action maybe the best recourse for the many of us that are facing these issues.

@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

Oh goodness, I am so sorry you are going through this, too, Don. Thanks for your comment and I hope you get some relief soon.

@Patrick_Armendarez 6 месяцев назад

So sorry you are going through this. We clearly know how you feel.

@minimaxmiaandme.4971 6 месяцев назад

Class action suit, if you can find others.

@Electronics.guy.101 6 месяцев назад

that damage looks like metal fatigue stress fractures from sub-par cheap metal framing! could splint weld it with heavy duty metal plates... BUT you should not have to do this on a new RV

@Giesis 6 месяцев назад

Good job bringing light to this issue. I have a GD Imagine and it has been problem free. I went to trade it and could not believe how much Grand Design quality has gone down. Looking somewhere else.

@maxdu6793 6 месяцев назад

So sad the retired couple bought the rig and wanted to enjoy their life but ended up suffering from the nightmare. Thanks Liz for sharing the story which is a warning to other potential buyers.

@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

Indeed. Not a good time to buy new, but trailers and fifth wheels built in 2018 and before tend to be well-built. The motorhome sweet spot is 2002 to 2008. Whatever you buy, join the Facebook group of the model to get the scoop from owners. And always get an inspection. Another advantage of buying used is the seller has typically gotten the kinks out. Thanks for watching. For more about what to buy used see my recent video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-JSo5n2B62MA.html

@asktodd2000 3 месяца назад

Liz, your videos have changed my mind 180 degrees about buying/owning a RV. To spend that much money and have so many significant issues, it’s not worth it.

@Knuckledragnation 6 месяцев назад

It seems to me Lippert engineers design and make the frame according to Grand Designs Specifications. I have heard that where these issues start coming up is when Grand Designs deviates from its original design plan that it submitted to Lippert engineers for approval. I’m no engineer but I would think that any and all deviations from the original specifications should in fact go back to Lippert engineers for approval. It’s sad to see Ram recall close to a million or so trucks all for a an emissions not safety related issue but yet there’s no one who’s got the back of these 5th wheel owners? I’d hate to see someone have to lose their life or seriously injured in an accident caused by a 5th wheel for things to change. Remember it’s not just 5th wheel owners out on the roads. All of us including our children and loved ones could be affected. Thanks again Liz for allowing others a place to voice their concerns.

@nickd4093 6 месяцев назад

Love your videos and congratulations on the work you do. The industry needs to be held accountable. We owned a used Thor class a motor coach and had so many issues in the first year we were happy to have sold it. Class action suit should be organized against these manufacturers that aren’t being responsible.

@coreymerritt7742 6 месяцев назад

Keep up the good work Liz that was the worst frame I’ve seen yet I hope that couple gets their trailer sorted out thanks again have a great weekend

@rmahlbacher 6 месяцев назад

Great discussion. My thoughts exactly. If they can’t engineer and build them correctly, they shouldn’t build them at all. Thank for another great video!

@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

Thanks Bob! Stay tuned for a follow up on this!

@merrileepuccio7677 6 месяцев назад

Seems if theres a safety issue, maybe Highway Patrol, DOT, etc. Should be notified.

@truckemedia3111 6 месяцев назад

Nice job, nice video. The squeaky floors and nails pushing up through the vinyl was something I forgot to add to our video for our 395MS. The communication problem is the same for us. Good folks, easy to contact, zero content. Prayers for a good outcome.

@MAXF1P1 6 месяцев назад

Wow I was actually considering Grand Design! Wow incredible the negligence and audacity to sell this to folks. The industry is malignant.

@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

I sure hope Grand Design reconsiders. Thanks for watching and stay tuned.

@johncauthorn4765 6 месяцев назад

Liz, you are amazing. You have done a great service for a lot of people. I just wanted to tell you we bought a used 2011 Hartland Big Country 4 years ago. We just love it. It was built back when quality was a big deal. Ours is a very solid built. You can tell how it feels when we pull it and live and work in it. Just wanted to say there was a time when the manufacturers cared. Again thank you for you and your channel. Keep up the good work. Hope to see you on the road. 👍

@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for sharing this, John. Oldies but goodies are the way to go these days! Enjoy that Big Country!

@Steeler_nation2005 6 месяцев назад

Thank you Liz, my options are changing. Definitely not Grand Design. To many Horrible stories.

@reubenbautista8502 6 месяцев назад

Thank you for sharing, my wife and I just bought one, the review’s we received were high and now we are getting all these bad news. We had a Rockwood and the walls were separating from the floor as well, thank God we were able to sell it but we lost money. It is sad that the RV industry are becoming a pain to many of us.

@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

It sure is! I hope this video series has the industry sitting up and taking notice. Thanks for watching and stay tuned for the update.

@richardludwig8389 6 месяцев назад

You are really helping this industry

@bigal7561 5 месяцев назад

I'm so sorry for your situation. Wife and I had wanted to do the RV life when we both retired but I ended up with the Cancer bug so money had to go elsewhere, but I kept thinking of what would have happened if we had purchased an RV just prior to my annoying illness. For one, if it had the defaults like yours had, it would be hard for me to pass it on to another when I got sick. Just couldn't do it. Also, if my C thing would have killed me, my wife would have been stuck trying to sell a defective RV. So many people in the same boat as we would have been. I pray for you that your nightmare is over and you've made them take the RV back and you've found a replacement that is solid and what you wanted Let us know, how it turned out. Thank you and prayers your way

@josephalberta1145 6 месяцев назад

I have watched video after video and learned three things. One - dont buy Grand Design. Two - dont buy GD. Three - dont buy GD. I have a 97 Prevost and it has had very very few problems. None are perfect but i have much more faith in older models RVs and even more so in the solid frame of a coach over the plywood and staples that hold new trailers together. Save a lot of money and get a good older RV.

@bethannea4842 6 месяцев назад

I've decided to put a camper shell on my truck. While it's not totally comfortable, it's better than sitting out a year waiting for your new RV to get fixed (maybe). Thanks Liz! Hope to see you down the road someday.

@michellefitz4287 6 месяцев назад

We’re dreaming of a truck camper - there’s some really nice ones out there now. Have fun and good luck!

@charlottelavalette8236 6 месяцев назад

You Rock Liz . Always on the side of the consumer . Enjoy your weekend .Char🐼

@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

Thanks so much, Char, same to you!

@Sm1ret 6 месяцев назад

Hello again. I really enjoy your content and my heart really goes out to these poor people having all these issues with their RV. Your channel us much needed and please keep up the great work educating people like me who'd love to get an RV, but I am put off by all the issues people have. It's not cheap buying an RV and you expect it to be 100% from day one.

@rce2198 6 месяцев назад

I hate that so many people are going thru this. I bought my Keystone Mini a little over a year ago , and have had great luck with it. The reason - its a 2018 { pre covid} Its also light weight which doesn't seem to have the frame issues that the bigger rigs have. Before every trip I crawl under ,,inspect every weld, and with a 4' straight edge check every inch of the frame. I also did this before I bought it. Before buying I also brought along a ladder and inspected the roof. So far so good but buyer beware.

@papabones-p8o 6 месяцев назад

I use too work at a mobile home factory in the floor department and attached the floor to the frame with lag bolts, no excuse for missing bolts! "KEEP ON KEEPIN ON"

@andychops 6 месяцев назад

Grand Design doesn't stand behind their products - good to know. Saves me from making a very costly mistake.

@joeyl6911 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for posting your content Liz, I have a 2003 Thor Toy hauler with NO problems. All my camping group has all the latest rigs that look amazing and I often contemplate upgrading. BUT all of them have issues even my buds new coach he paid over $250k. Screw all that, Im gonna dump money into an interior make over. so what if the exterior is not all fancy with graphics. Hope all people do homework before buying these things.

@danielellington8407 6 месяцев назад

Hey Liz just a thought. Be careful on how you address these issues. There are people out there that don’t like “Whistle blowers” and they have ppl that can intimidate you. With you being alone and are doing these types of videos. Please install security cameras on the outside of your rv. So you are safe. I’d consider possibly caring a weapon with you and or some pepper spray. Just please be careful. You are a great person helping people out. That is awesome that you help these people with RV issues. Take YOUR RV into a reputable dealer. And after servicing I’d check everything out before you head out. Like I said just a thought for your safety.😊😊 Be Safe, and have fun.

@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for your concern. In last week's video I shared that I sold my distinctive motorhome and am now flying under the radar. No threats, just want to sleep peacefully at night. And thank you so much for your support!

6 месяцев назад

A weapon? Come on dude, you're watching too much TV

@hawkeyetec 6 месяцев назад

The lack of industry concern over quality appears to be widespread throughout not just rv but the lack of civil society. I have a class 8 tractor trailer and the loss of reality in business acumen has been replaced by delusion. The former road standards have fallen, which has caused manufactures to have to place heavier suspension, etc, components on their vehicles. However, it's my opinion that logic has been replaced by emotion. Emotion dosent build or maintain a customer base or tax base to maintain a civil society. Feel free to be able to defend yourself in all spectrums.. we are, unfortunately, in that spectrum.

@chipsrafferty8362 6 месяцев назад

And you don’t,there’s some nasty people out there.

@clintprice2123 6 месяцев назад

Excellent channel and place to share experiences.

@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

Thank you much, Clint!

@robertnasser9937 6 месяцев назад

For the last 4 or so years, the RU-vid people as a majority all purchased GDs. We did not because we did not like the floor plans. GD are not the only ones.

@karenmccarthy2084 6 месяцев назад

Liz when we had big problems with our Four Winds we wrote a complaint to the Better Business Bureau in Elkhart IN. We heard from Thor Four Winds within a month that they would fix the problems if we drove it up, about a month later we had it back. Hope it works for everyone, they certainly don’t want bad ratings with the BBB

@jamesarnold5698 2 месяца назад

Another great video that shares the major issues within the RV industry. The executives within these companies should be completely ashamed of their products and their called customer service. Thanks to these videos, never will we buy one of these horrible products. I wonder what the employees of these companies think when they are producing these shady products.

@MTNurse 2 месяца назад

I only heard one person mention hiring an Attorney to help them. That is the 1st thing I would do once I did not get the proper help from the manufacturer. How come these people don't do that? Especially if you paid $3mill or even $160,000 for one, it is worth hiring an Attorney to get the problems fixed, or better yet, replace the whole RV if there are major problems with it. Thank you for your videos. You have really opened my eyes. I never would have worried I would have these problems with a brand new RV of any kind. Thank you.

@davidgutierrez6888 6 месяцев назад

I did think highly of Grand Design but not no more. This is not the first video you have done Lisa regarding them. Best thing for us is look for preowned models and not Grand Design.

@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

Me, too. I've owned two brand new Grand Designs. I think they are in serious trouble now with these frames. Thanks for watching and stay tuned.

@geoffmooregm 5 месяцев назад

As a long-time RV owner myself, and growing up camping from the time I was in diapers, I have seen it all. The rule I have come to learn is the day you buy an RV is the day you begin repairing your RV! 😂. I have had the entire underside of my Trailer open so I could inspect and fix things. Number 1 was the fresh water tank almost falling out. Because of that I built a full frame for it with an aluminum bottom, relocated the pickup for the pump, fixed the wiring for the sensors and moved it back so it was closer to the axle and took some weight off the tongue. Next, I fixed the wiring by wrapping it in split loom and bolting it to the frame with cushion clamps. I moved the pump from inside to underneath to cut down on the interior noise. Once that was done, I had to fix one of the beds, fix more wiring, and fix the ducting that fell off the furnace. We still love every minute of every trip you just have to be on top of it because they are built cheap and light.

@jimmieblue6262 5 месяцев назад

Thank you so much. After doing a lot of homework I am shocked to learn about the rv industry in a whole is producing trash.. And at that point I decided to take a cargo trailer and custom build my own,

@tomneverquit8679 6 месяцев назад

thank you Liz for shining the light, rock on young lady!

@timhottinger2166 6 месяцев назад

I had the frame crack problem, 2010 heartland cyclone 3950. Took it back to Indiana, lippert came to dealership and repaired frame, after walls were removed. 1 week later we brought it back to Arkansas. With a lifetime warranty on repairs. So far so good.

@joemalone3989 6 месяцев назад

We have the exact same rig with the exact same symptoms as this couple. We attended a Grand Design rally and had the GD SRT Techs take our measurements. Grand Design immediately scheduled us to take our rig to the factory in Indiana to have it repaired. We are heading that direction next week from Arizona. I have no qualms about pulling it cross country to get it fixed. At this point, if it fails on the way, it's on them. My advice is to bypass the dealer network whenever you can by using a known independent shop or a qualified mobile tech.

@kathykeene2092 6 месяцев назад

I HAVE HEARD THAT THE RALLIES ARE A GREAT PLACE TO GET THINGS FIXED, BUT IT COSTS A LOT TO ATTEND.

@williamfry6087 6 месяцев назад

Sounds like Lippert and Grand Design have a big liability issue.

@reubenbautista8502 6 месяцев назад

Thank you Liz. You are the best 🫶🏽🙏🙏🙏

@DoritosResidue 6 месяцев назад

Same engineering and QC as Boeing?

@kirstenstrobel4387 6 месяцев назад

Or procurement/buyers…

@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

Looks like it is much worse.

@nancyoffenhiser4916 6 месяцев назад

😂😂😂 Excellent Comment!

@rosemarydoran9907 6 месяцев назад

😂😂😂

@thirdgenrallysport 4 месяца назад

I pump out black tanks for a ton of different brands. The amount if issues I see in just the sewer/drain system is insane.

@JTT6069 5 месяцев назад

Liz… Keep doing what you’re doing and thank you for calling these manufacturers out on cutting corners trying to save a dime and making the consumer the victim of that savings

@carrief7342 6 месяцев назад

Thanks Liz, for all your hard work! 🥰

@ramonmirabal101 5 месяцев назад

I almost make mistake buy one of those change my mind thanks to your videos, very informative , thank you.

@larkangel6593 6 месяцев назад

I had a very high quality Lazy Daze for 8 years. It was a lot of fun but eventually the time/effort exceeded other opportunities. I'Ve been telling people since that time to stay away from custom RVs (TT, 5thW, Class A, B, C) However what I have been advocating are vans. It's pretty obvious: they are unibody construction subject to extensive federal regulations. Perhaps the nicest aspect is their modularity - they can be built out as simply or as luxurious as you want. In the case if this couple, they could have gotten a simple trailer to haul the side by side.

@minimaxmiaandme.4971 6 месяцев назад

Class B's are built on vans.........

@markshelhart8338 6 месяцев назад

This issue has been going on long enogh that both Lippert and GD are fully aware of the issues. Instead of doing PDI when the unit is finished both should be doing manadtory inspections at each point of assembly of either frame fabrication or attachment of the sidewalls and floors. There needs to be a class action suit where there is a significant financial liability to these companies to force them to do the right thing; and it needs to be filed in a way where the state of Indiana can't shield these companies.

@Cybersawz 5 месяцев назад

The GRAND DESIGN is too build extremely poor quality products, charge ultra-high prices, and take your money.

@petepeterson5337 6 месяцев назад

When I was a kid, my dad bought a junky old Winnebago Indian for $3500. He did a few minor preemptive upgrades (house water pump, gen carburator, roof reseal etc) and used it virtually trouble free including on dirt roads. No loose cabinets, no leaks, just use it. A neighbor with a similar age 440 powered "Fireball" class C used it to tow a giant heavy home-made double deck dunebuggy and motorcycle trailer all over the place offroad, virtually without trouble (he did suck a valve on that high milage 440). How far we have fallen!

@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

Indeed! I hope things turn around soon. Thanks for watching, Pete, and stay tuned.

@Tatiacha 6 месяцев назад

FYI for any who don't know arctic fox and outdoors rv manufactured in Eastern Oregon make their own frames they do not use Lippert frames.

@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

Yes, thanks for sharing this!

@minimaxmiaandme.4971 6 месяцев назад

Same with Little Guy Max and Mini Max......I have one and it is solid as a rock. They build their own frames.

@charleneheiland8803 6 месяцев назад

Well.....no wonder this gentleman looks like he belongs in a magazine ,he has a razor !!!!! 🥳🥳🥳🤣🤣🤣😜😜😜

@TimMcmillan-k1c 6 месяцев назад

I’ve said previously that videos like these pull the resale of all Grand Design RV’s closer and closer to zero. Thanks Liz for all you’ve doing to bring light to these horrible RV manufacturers.

@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

Yep, sad but true. I hope GD wakes up and does right. Thanks for watching.

@warrenscorner 6 месяцев назад

The Big Truck Big RV RU-vid channel has a few videos touring the Lippert plant and discussing frame flex. It might be interesting to get that guy in your next video.

@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for this, Warren, I will check them out.

@rickmorris588 6 месяцев назад

We purchased new in 2013, a Winnebago Voyager 5th wheel. We did not reach GD level of design failures but enough to say no to any future purchases of any Winnebago product including Grand Design. Too bad because at one time both of these RV manufacturers were great.

@patrickstiltner1207 6 месяцев назад

I teach RVing to those new to the community. The first thing is to get the rig weighed so that you can demonstrate weight was not the issue. If weight is an issue, remove it and stay within specifications so it can't come back on you.

@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

That's a great strategy. Thanks for adding this, Patrick.

@blackanodize1 6 месяцев назад

I owned a 2017 399th and encountered some problems with it, which I simply assumed were typical issues at the time. However, since selling it, I've come to realize that the issues I experienced were likely related to frame problems. Knowing this now, I feel regretful for the individuals to whom I sold it, as I understand the challenges they may be facing.

@2156cynthia 6 месяцев назад

I went camping this week in my 2020 Komfort 25 ft trailer. We have less issues than these brand new beauties!

@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

Glad to hear! Enjoy! Thanks for watching

@danyceroppe463 6 месяцев назад

Liz! Boeing CEO (they manufacture over 1/2 the airliners in the US!) just said on ABC News that they’re coming off several years of an “over excercised supply chain” and an “over excercised” factory output. He said they’re going to “slow it down”! He stepped down as CEO. This sounds EXACTLY like the rv industry issues….but with even more dangerous prospects, given that there would be hundreds of lives at stake. What a world we are living in!

@Franklin-pc3xd 5 месяцев назад

Here’s the deal: The design specs assume you are using the coach one time then putting it in storage for ten years then selling it for 10% of what you paid. That’s the business model.

@wallaceniebel3369 6 месяцев назад

Wow..... Great video, love the cool calm collected gentlmen describing his woes. I know what unit i wont ever buy!!! Lets hope they come to there senses (grand design) and fix things.... or yes... they will be shuttering the doors.

@patbell2187 15 дней назад

Wow, another brand off my list. Thanks Liz

@kerifawcett7286 6 месяцев назад

Arctic Fox fifth wheels and trailers are one of the few manufacturers who build and produce their on chassis. So far I have heard of no Arctic fox rigs with frame failure. There's a good video on their factory tour.

@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

Yes, I will have to check them out. Thank you.

@DF-tz3ix 4 месяца назад

Well done Liz …. Keep up the pressure.

@margarethorrall8621 Месяц назад

I stopped working on RV repair specifically because my boss wanted me to release a unit that I knew not to be safe. I don't know what happened after that but the dealership is now closed.

@10lauset 6 месяцев назад

Cheers for all your hard work.

@oxhine 6 месяцев назад

Hey, Liz! Can you do a video on the electric-powered Pebble Flow RVs out of Silicon Valley. They're a new eco-friendly start-up that use automotive standards in their futuristic-looking, aerodynamic builds! I'd love to see you visit their shop and critique!

@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

That would be cool!

@Patrick_Armendarez 6 месяцев назад

Liz, I sent you their video. I’m sure they would be open to an interview. Bea would love this type of RV that I can park with my iPhone. This was the start-up and innovations I was talking about. Would be a cool video

@terryl.6490 6 месяцев назад

I keep reading seeing these testimonials and it's just depressing. As an owner of a 2021 397th I can tell you that luckily we have had no (major) issues, but there were concerns from the start. The dealer will promise you anything just to get you off the lot. (Service mgr gave his Personal guarantee...). we were there for 8 hours and still spent the night in the lot to get things addressed. The gave us a PDI sheet (preprinted?) that had items checked off that weren't even installed on the rig! As Liz and others are saying, get an independent inspection first! Biggest problem so far has been a water leak from a gray tank that flooded the underbelly. Upon inspection the tank full sensor was not connected and most likely never was. It was a relatively easy fix but it took years for the issue to be found (mystery smell solved). When we tow, I'm no faster than 60mph and spend a lot of time looking in the rearview watching the hitch, just waiting for something to happen. Who wants that??

@Patrick_Armendarez 6 месяцев назад

We don’t drive fast. We cruise at 62. It’s hard to avoid bad roads. We were going to upgrade our suspension but that apparently can cause more issues. We do travel a lot during the season and now we are hearing you should only move a few times a year. Why would I purchase something like that. If that’s the solution not to damage your frame, it’s not worth the purchase. This information is coming from Big Truck Big RV who has a half a million followers and got this information from the manufacturers. Also says these rigs come off the line overweight. I don’t see any manufacturers who he works with saying he’s wrong.

@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

I know it. It is so frustrating and worrisome. Thanks for your comment, and for watching.

@terryl.6490 6 месяцев назад

@@Patrick_Armendarez I agree. These guys say rigs will last 20-30 years (if you don't move them...)

@rudigerbraun9103 5 месяцев назад

I don't want to blame the us-industry but when i look at the few pictures of the frame in this video it is quite clear that a hauler made on this frame will never be safe at all. This is a construction-design we made in europe in the 1980s for small hauler less or about 1 ton weight. In 2019 we went on a roadtrip with RV in california. We rent a RV and there were some screws off so the dealer comes up with longer screws to fix it. Gosh, this is not what my shop will do if i have an issue on something like that with my own RV. Thanks for the channel, i love the people in the US and i love the county and i hope i can come back to a further roadtrip.

@_GntlStone_ 6 месяцев назад

Greed Design, lots of lipstick on inferior products.

@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

They didn't used to be that way. I hope they wakeup and take care of these folks. Thanks for watching.

@bounderchris 6 месяцев назад

I wouldn’t touch a grand design myself… defective rigs with a company that doesn’t care

@_GntlStone_ 6 месяцев назад

@@LizAmazing I hope GD does as well. And that other manufacturers are watching, taking notes, and making necessary changes to their designs and structures and QA processes. This should be an inflection point for the entire industry. Build better and slower, teach your techs and let them have the time to do it right. A more secure and stable workforce will produce consistency and quality. Don't just pump em out without the quality customers pay for and expect and then lay everyone off.

@anthonymarino4260 6 месяцев назад

SMART MOVE REASURCH IS THE KEY

@dianesilverstein6475 6 месяцев назад

Perhaps I missed it, but have you highlighted the better built RV'S out there, such as Oliver or Lance? What are they doing right? Your videos are excellent!

@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

I have! Thanks for asking. Here's my recent video about Oliver: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QuFLXavLucE.html

@FREEDOM195844 4 месяца назад

I had a Newmar and a Monaco pre 2008 and they were excellent care free RVs. Just general maintenance. I'd look for an older RV stored undercover from an owner who shows pride in their rig and then get it inspected. All these electronic bells and whistles make the coach far more complicated than it needs to be.

@CCaudits 6 месяцев назад

Grand Design you're making yourselves look stupid and an awful company to many that view these videos. You need to step up to the plate and own your mistakes. You need to get that toy hauler back to Indiana at your expense and quit playing games and do the necessary repairs.

@LizAmazing 6 месяцев назад

Yes! Thank you for this!!! Please share this video to help get the word out.

@kathykeene2092 6 месяцев назад

I agree! Well said.

@whereyougoiwillgorving4492 6 месяцев назад

Liz, thanks for sharing their story ! There are a lot of stories like this out there right now !! GD will reap what they sow !! Not only should GD fix these units, they should allow an Independent engineer to inspect the fixes before buttoning it back up !