Students Support Socialism... Until It's Applied To Their GPA 

They believe in capitalism and they don't even know it.

60% support socialism 70% don't want to pay higher taxes Total disconnect

The last guy nailed it. We must all push for equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome.

It’s crazy how privileged rich people support socialism

I live in Europe. Healthcare is NOT free, we are just higher taxed.

"I don't want to sacrifice what -I- worked really hard for!" Surprise, you're a capitalist!

It's unbelievable how when people's bad ideas are exposed, they still maintain their position.

There was a professor in India who had done that and redistributed grades when he sensed that everyone in this class where socialists. Changed their minds

“Ive lost a lot of sleep to get my grades” “I worked hard for my grades.” “I made a lot of sacrifices for my grades.” Have you ever owned a business?

"That's different because I'm studying all day for my grade" Yeah And I'm working all day for my money

"Most rich people didn't actually earn their wealth." People don't earn their intelligence either, naturally intelligent people have a built-in head start in life, and that's not fair either.

Watching these guys advocate for socialism, only to perfectly illustrate how unfair it is a sentence later. 👏👏✊🏿🙈

Supporting socialism as long as they're the ones profiting from it. Classic.

"Yes, rich people should give us their stuff." "You can't have my GPA, I worked for it... =( "

I respect this guy for not shaming them and helping them understand the concepts instead of some people that turn it into a public roast

“You’re basically profiting off of my hard work FOR you, so who’s really the bad guy here?” Thank you.

“ everyone’s a socialist until they get a job and have to pay taxes” hahaha these people have much to learn.

When it was something of THEIRS, they ALL instantly became free market capitalists. Love it.

People sound so stupid when they get caught but they still try to keep with their stance.

Hard comparison; i’m not for one for socialism, but it’s a sharing of an asset versus sharing an academic rating. It’s akin to sharing your credit score versus sharing your money. One changes your eligibility for certain things where as the other simply deduces from your assets. Aside from that, the student’s explanations were still hypocritical and fallacious.

"I wouldn't sacrifice the stuff I worked hard for, but I'm all for other people sacrificing stuff they worked hard for."

“I’m studying all day for my grades” Yeah, and Americans are working all day to support their families, and don’t want their money taken away.

the last guy made a good point...we should strive for more equal oppurtunities as opposed to outcomes.

“That’s like, completely different. I’m studying all day for my grades.” Yeah and people work all day just for the government to take their taxes and put them into welfare

“I support socialism” “No I wouldn’t give my stuff and time to people who don’t earn it” 🤔

" I'm studying all day for my grade" ...uhhh people work all day for their money.

"I have family in Europe. They go to College for free." No they don't.

An genuinely interesting little experiment, but like all arguments from analogy, its force depends upon solvency of the analogy itself. And, in this case, the analogy falls apart upon closer inspection. Income is theoretically unlimited. You can always earn more, and you can always replenish losses incurred through taxation. University GPAs, by contrast, have a fixed upper limit; no matter how hard you study or how well you perform in class, you can't earn higher than a 4.0. More importantly, once you drop below a 4.0, it is impossible, even in principle, to return your GPA to its previous level. The two situations are thus disanalogous, and logical consistency never requires applying like principles to unlike situations.

A Socialist will always say: "Yes, take from the rich just don't take it from ME" =))

"I've lost a lot of sleep so..." This girl has no idea what it takes to own a business.

the large difference is that people require money to survive and people don’t require a high gpa to survive

Having a low income does not mean you don’t work hard

funny how quickly answers change when all of a sudden THEY'RE the ones that have to give up their labor and efforts

"your GPA has nothing to do with your quality of life" then why are you going to college if not to improve your life!!!

These students don't have a clue what they are saying and how serious socialism can be

As far as I'm aware GPAs are used to rank students by how well they've done in school, if you give points from students with high GPAs to students with low GPAs while maintaining the ranking order it would have no real effect other than to force everyone who utilises GPAs to adjust how they use them. Alternatively if you adjust GPAs so all students end up with the same GPA it becomes meaningless. A good analogy to get people thinking about Socialism vs Capitalism but missleading none the less.

These “educated” kids seem completely unaware of how they contradict themselves. It’s truly dumbfounding.

This is just a GPA. Imagine how they would feel if it was money.

bro these people fr think billionaires and multimillionaires work harder for their money than the average american 😭

GPA is an equitable system. Grading policies are standardized and applied equally. Wealth distribution and compensation for work is not the same.

"but I worked hard for my grades, why should I give it away?" Congratulations, honey. You're a republican.

"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money." ~ M.Thatcher

Hysterical people actually think this is apples to apples. Fatal flaw: More money = more earning potential, it is often inherited & there is no limit to how much one can accumulate. High GPA ≠ more GPA earning potential, can’t be inherited & has a 4.0 maximum.

These colleges should be fumigated and we need real teachers. Just team STEM and some needful subjects like economics and accounting. We are going too far.

Everyone is socialist until they are stealing your money instead of others money 😂😂😂

These people "I study for my grade it's mine. Oh you work for your money you have to share".

yeah…we all share our GPAs with each other in Europe (dripping sarcasm). This is like asking people ‘do you eat meat’ and then say ‘so basically you want me dead so you can eat me’. You already pay taxes in the US. and you DO pay taxes for things you may never use - like a road in a nearby place which you will never walk or drive on. Your healthcare system is simply dominated by huge companies which really love the way things are now, its as simple as that.

Intelligence is as inheritable as money, so there goes that argument too.

"Socialism: let's do it! As long as we are giving away your stuff, but not my stuff." - Every socialist.

"They dont earn it, they're pressing buttons on a computer " Then why dont you press those same buttons, if it's so easy.

This was a brilliant idea! I hope these students can see the hypocrisy. Freedom of opportunity is what capitalism is all about.

You don’t starve if you have a bad GPA.

"I'm like studying all day for my grade" I guess the rich just find their money on the side of the road

"Do you believe in socialism?" "Yes!" "Would you give away your GPA those at the bottom?" "Uhh..." *cannot fast travel while enemies are nearby*

That guy at (0:41) is the epitome of snively. Imagine his feelings running the show. "I'm not denying that fact either, but for the regular working person, you know...". What?! We know what, college student? When were you ever a regular working person? Always so generous with other people's resources.

Interesting how those who have not worked for 40 years to create wealth, want to share in the wealth of those of us who have. Seems kind of like jealousy to me.

*_WE WANT COMMUNISM_* ok. Give me your money. *_NEVERMIND_*

I can’t believe the hypocrisy. “I studied so hard though.” How can people not understand logic?

A supreme lack of deductive reasoning from these students.

I don’t think that’s a completely accurate comparison. When it comes to GPA, everyone starts school with zero, you can’t inherit a GPA or be gifted a higher GPA. It’s a completely fair starting point for everyone. With wealth, not everyone is starting from the same point, so it’s inherently unfair.

The sad thing: they still don’t get it 🤦🏼‍♀️

No, not GIVING a chunk of your gpa.... Having a chunk of your gpa TAKEN from you and redistributed to others.

I tend to stay out of arguments like this, but I honestly believe there's inherently a flaw in the question you're asking. I'm a student at the moment, one with a 4.00 that I've held steady for two years now, I work my ass off to keep it that way and would be immensely frustrated to be forced to "share" it with students with lesser grades. However there's a couple of things in my mind that separates what you're calling 'grade disparity' from wealth disparity; 1. There's a cap on how high my GPA can get. I as a student cannot end up with say,,, a 7.5 GPA, there's nothing I can do to bump it up that high. The school stops caring after A+, even if I accumulate 120% in a course (something I've actually done before using cart loads of extra credit) that 20% doesn't do anything to my grade, and if there had been a way for me to send that 20% to the students in my class who needed a grade boost I would have done it in a heart beat. Why? Because I don't need that 20% when I've already got my A. Now when you look at wealth there is absolutely no cap to just how wealthy you can be, and someone of our favorite entrepreneurs the ones we Laud for having built themselves from the ground up, (Musk, Bezos, ect) have so much accumulated wealth they could never possibly spend it all in their lifetime even if they quit working tomorrow. When myself and many others are talking about helping out people at the bottom, to relate it to grades again, we're not asking to bring people with 100% in a class down to an 80, we're asking to use the excess 20 of someone earning 120%. 2. Generational Grades are not a thing, if my father went to college and got straight As, I don't get to start out with all the points he accumulated during his time at college, same if he pulled straight Fs, it's a clean slate no matter what. The same cannot be said for wealth, some people are lucky enough to have wonderful supportive families that assist them in their lives when they stumble, they offer monetary support during college, or make funds for first born grandchildren. Others are born into circumstance where they are the ones having to assist their families even when they are not in a stable financial position themselves, circumstance is a throw if the dice that we have to acknowledge when it comes to wealth disparity. 3. If you get an F in a course, youre not going to die. I know this argument probably seems silly but hear me out. If I fail a class, I don't get credit, I'll likely have to retake the course if it's a general studies class, or if I'm extra lucky it's an elective and I've learned something new about my aptitudes in a certain area. This will be stressful for me and may affect my mental health, but overall I will survive and get through it. If I go bankrupt I have fucked myself and *hard*. It's not impossible to come back from this position especially if you're lucky enough to have the family support touched on in my second point, but if not? You're looking at bloated homelessness programs, food insecurity, lack of access to medical care, heightened risk of violent crime and any number of other factors that on their own and especially in combination could genuinely get you killed. In conclusion, your argument is fundamentally flawed, these students are reluctant to "share" their GPA because for all of them, this isn't a resource that they can have "extra" of, for them giving to someone else means going without for themselves. This is not the case with the sort of socialism the majority of rational individuals advocate for, most of us, are asking for the excess wealth that these billionaires are never even going to touch let alone go without over. Next, none of these kids inherited good or bad grades from their parents what they have is based off of the quality of work that they have turned in as individuals. This again is not the case with money, which can be inherited from prior generations just like debt can. And lastly a bad grade isn't going to kill you, it just isn't. So for those of us working hard to maintain a GPA, we are reluctant to offer our limited resources to those who can, at the end of the day retake the course. Unlike with real life and real money where there is no re-do.

"Would you give away the fruits of your hard work in a capitalist society where each person fights for survival and justifying their existence?"

At this point I'm thinking we should raise the voting age to 30

There's a direct relationship between socialism and hypocrisy.

"That's different because, you now, it affects me negatively... I only support other people giving me stuff, not me giving my stuff to other people..."

Yeah my brother is a self made millionaire. He has tried to start and own businesses since his 5th grade lemonade stand. I saw him work harder than anyone else I know to get where he is today, and guess what, he still works 24 hours a day to make sure his company and employees and clients are taken care of. To think people want to take away his hard work and give it to people who haven’t worked that hard and call that fair is disgusting. I wouldn’t take handouts from him either because I know I haven’t earned it like he has. Taking from the rich doesn’t motivate innovation because why would I work 24 hours a day to build something and take all the risk for it to succeed, just to make the same as someone who sits on a couch and watches tv all day?

You can almost smell their embarrassment when they realize their hypocrisy.

"the stock market takes zero work" Soo why aren't you a millionaire yet?

I'm not "against" the lesson here, but why is nobody pointing out the "real" reason the examples aren't quite as comparable as assumed in this video? A GPA has very marginal inequality, because it has a small fixed range (a GPA is also more directly effort-work based than income/wealth, but that is less relevant to this specific question). This is different to income, which has a very large range. The wider the range, the higher the inequality, and the easier to argue for redistribution. The argument for redistribution becomes correspondingly much weaker when range is much smaller (such as with a GPA) even if the logic used is the same. The second aspect, and the part glossed over in the video, is that there exists a "good living wage standard". While in fluctuates slightly with region specific costs, this is an absolute number, below which people really need redistribution to live with a decent standard of living. But because income has such a wide range, it has the capacity to go vastly over that number. Redistributing a large chunk of income from those massively above this absolute number will have minimal effect on standard of living of those individuals. This is not the same for GPA. There is also a "good living wage standard" equivalent for GPAs, which in this case is the minimum GPA to get good value out of being in school. That is to say, the "absolute number" is whatever GPA the pass-mark is. The same logic indeed dictates that high-GPA-havers should give some GPA to those not meeting the GPA pass threshold. But it ignores that GPA has a small fixed range. Unlike with income, you do not have to take that much GPA from someone before you start to noticeably impact what "standard of living" their GPA can get them. If we want to get deep into the argument, then yes, it is also true that a universal "tax" on GPA would force all top GPA down and thus lower requirements for GPA, which is what happens with money, but by the time we get this deep in the comparison starts to break apart simply because a GPA fundamentally has a multifaceted role unlike money, and doing this cases GPA scores to essentially converge and failures to pass which destroys the entire point of the GPA. GPA is bounded to do its job. Income is not bounded because it does not need to be. And that is the fundamental difference why treating them as equivalent is a good superficial way to test logic and challenge hypocrisy but not at all a good thing if you were to do a deep dive into the issue suggested.

Because students are profiting of the works of others and not by only studying by theirselves /s This is a bad fucking comparision

I'm from South America and socialism is the worst thing that could've ever happened

Leftist - "I care so much, we should help this group of people..." Intelligent Person - "Then donate some of your money to them" Leftist - "Nah.. Other people should help them, not me though".

You got to love that one kid who says it "wouldn't matter to have a GPA cuz everybody would be the same"? But he likes communism? I think he missed the whole point.

For completeness, they should have interviewed a student who had bad grades and wanted others to share their good grades. That would have fully demonstrated the concept.

"Your GPA isn't directly related to your quality of life." Then why do you want a good one?

It's like these kids don't understand what socialism actually is

An easy response to this question would be people can work 2 jobs can still hover around the poverty line. If you are working 2 jobs, you definitely shouldnt be struggling to make ends meet. So using the analogy, if someone is procrastinating and not studying for their exams, they deserve a low GPA. In life, same thing applies. But if you work hard in life, you can still struggle.

The difference is that you cannot get a lof of money by your work alone. You have to take a part of the fruits of the labour of your workers in order to be rich. In this exemple the guy describe capitalism not socialism. I'm not even socialist but the analogy is really bad.

“I’m studying hard all day for my gpa” “I work hard all day working for my money”

"That's different. I *study* for my grade!" And people *work* for their money, so... Gawd, these children and their mental gymnastics.

I think people have no clue how much harder a person has to work to be rich, over being just average financially.

"I have friends in Europe, they go to university for free", yeah those universities are financed by magic

"Most people don't earn their money." Wow so ignorant.

The question not asked is “Why do you want a high GPA?”

"Human beings are born with different capacities. If they are free, they are not equal. And if they are equal, they are not free." -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Haha! At this point in their lives, the GPA is the only thing they have ever worked hard for. Great interview idea.

Socialism: it's okay if I'm the one GETTING.

"The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

There is no scarcity with GPA lmao

"Take from the rich!" "Who is rich?" "Anyone who has more than me!"

“ I feel like” is the millennial phrase that will doom this nation.

GPA is capped.... if the comparison was that you needed a 4.0 to succeed or be more successful but you could earn unlimited gpa points and you have 20.0 GPA and refuse to shared that'd be a more apt example ...

2:00 You know there actually were decent arguments that could be made to separate studying from millionaires but these students failed epically. Simple argument. You can be born into money and as long as you aren't totally stupid and conservative with it you can't really lose it. There isn't any real effort required to get there. It takes effort to become new money, but looking at the statistics, this basically never happens. Most of the top is in fact old money who also just work hard to grow it. If you have enough money in a savings account or dividend stocks you can easily earn 6 figures with no effort at all. Absolutely 0. Everyone has to work for their grades. They might be factors that that help boost some people, but no one is born with a 4.0 all through to their doctorate. If they can't offer even this basic argument they need to learn bc clearly they are book smart idiots and its no wonder they were fooled into being pro-socialism.

“Do you support socialism?” Student: “hell yeah!” “Then do socialism” Student: “F*ck no.”

"The problem with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money" Margaret Thatcher.

I am not Socialist nor Communist, but that's a fallacy. You can not compare your GPA to your salary or earned money. That's very stupid. Those are two very different things, not only numbers you own. It is like comparing ice cream and wax. GPA is a measurement of how well you manage to demonstrate the acquisition of certain knowledge and in theory, it applies to anyone regardless were you study and how. Salary in the other hand is a very per-person and per-location value. The salary for the same job can be very different if you live in a big city or a small town, if you manage to know the right people or not or, if you are young or not or even if you are man man or woman. The earned money can be even more divergent, from just born as a rich kid, to be saving half a life, to win the lottery. Furthermore, the biggest issue with the comparison is to ignore were is the money coming from as compared with the GDP. The GDP usually comes from your own effort, the money you earn, unless you only consider salary, comes also for the work of others. So, apart from being numeric values you can consider you own, there are zero similarities between GPA and money. Finally, Socialism is not about we all being equal (that's what politics want us to remember), but about building together despite de differences. Why the workers who do the job get a salary instead of the bigger share of the company? They are the ones making it happening in real life. Why people need to go to bankrupt just because they are or someone they love is sick? Why we think government is all bad and market is all good?

How delusional you have to be to believe make money on the stock markets is just "pushing a button on computer".

College kids: “I don’t really know what it is, but I support socialism because I’m on social media and it contains the root word social.”