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Subsistence Wheat -- Low Tech Podcast, No. 66 

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Low Tech Podcast, No. 66 - 24 Feb 2023
Subsistence Wheat
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Today we’re talking about the history of wheat and its applicability for future subsistence.
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“Fire Place” off of Winter LoFi by Holizna (Pub. Dom.)
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The Harvest by Pissarro.

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@emmanuelmacute6921
@emmanuelmacute6921 10 месяцев назад
We have sorghum growing in our backyard. Came up naturally.
@ellenorbjornsdottir1166
@ellenorbjornsdottir1166 Месяц назад
Perhaps maize might be a better grain to grow on a subsistence scale than wheat. But the ideal would be growing both, in rotation with legumes and roots.
@SgtSnausages
@SgtSnausages Год назад
Potatoes are easy. So are Sweet Potatoes. We aim for 400-500 pounds of each for two of us. That gets us roughly 25-30% of our calories for an entire year on about 3-4 days labor (2-ish days each). That's HUGE. The advantage to grains is pretty much Forever Storage. Our potatoes only last 8 to 9 months. We have to grow 2 succession (April planting for July Harvest and July planting for Oct harvest) to get through a year's eating without energy intensive preservation (canning, dehydrating, freezing, etc). Sweet Potatoes do better. We get 18-24 months on stored Sweet Potato tubers. No pests and fewer diseases, too. Grains come out of the field already preserved and are perfectly good after a full decade of storage. The grains take less than half the storage space on a calorie basis. I can store considerably more than a full year's calories in Wheat in the same space I can store only 6 months of Potatoes. We prefer Sweet Potatoes for growing ... but regular Potatoes for eating. Wheat, for us, isn't a primary crop. We plant Winter Wheat as an over wintered cover crop. Most is terminated in Spring, long before seed heads. The Fall planted garden beds, we'll leave it go until seeded out and harvest in July. Will process and save one or two bushels. It's HELLA more work than the 'Taters. No machinery, everything by hand (and a box fan) We've tried Barley. Fails due to whatever local bird likes it. They strip the seed heads bare. An unexpected Win, though, are Pearl Millet and Sorghum. If you're subsistence growing in my area, you HAVE TO try these two.
@doinacampean9132
@doinacampean9132 Год назад
Very useful information regarding storing. Have you compared calories per surface? Acre or square yard?
@doinacampean9132
@doinacampean9132 Год назад
Aren't winter squash even easier? Of course, they would require even more storage because of all that interior space. But the seeds would be valuable because all that elusive fat...
@SgtSnausages
@SgtSnausages Год назад
@@doinacampean9132 Squash suffer in my area (a) Squash Vine Borer (b) Powdery Mildew (c) Squash bug and (d) Cucumber beetle ... in my area ... none of which affect Sweet 'Taters.
@simmonds6063
@simmonds6063 Год назад
How do you cure your sweet potatoes? I love growing them but I haven't found a great way to cure them yet here in 7a.
@SgtSnausages
@SgtSnausages Год назад
@@simmonds6063 we have an unused bathroom in the basement with a shower. A small space heater keeps the temps up at 90[F] and turning on the shower to steam up the room 2 or 3 times a day keeps the humidity between 75 and 100% all day. They're just stacked 40lbs each to a cheap plastic crate. 6 or 8 days of this and they're moved to storage. We get 16 to 20(ish) months out of Sweet Potato. They are our longest storing crop (without need of additional processing. )
@doinacampean9132
@doinacampean9132 Год назад
Didn't they find traces of cooked grains 100 000 years old in Africa somewhere? Also, an argument can be made that it would be simpler to just pick fermented fruit on ground, or later, squish fruits and drink the fermented juice. Can I suggest the native sunchoke as a backup for potatoes? It could double as an ornamental...
@GoofyCowProdutions
@GoofyCowProdutions Год назад
I don't have a citation for this off the top of my head, but in general, modern varieties of crops tend to vastly out-yield traditional varieties with high "best-practice" fertilization methods. However, traditional varieties tend to out-yield modern varieties under low-fertility situations.
@s.a.j.johnson
@s.a.j.johnson Год назад
Thanks for listening. Yes! They are the off-road vehicle to the modern wheat's racecar - more adaptable but less productive.
@doinacampean9132
@doinacampean9132 Год назад
How about the native wild rice?
@jonerlandson1956
@jonerlandson1956 7 месяцев назад
i think evolution is simply selecting the best possible solution... plants seem to do this by selecting the microorganisms best suited to them and storing them into their seeds...
@doinacampean9132
@doinacampean9132 Год назад
Nutrition wise, we're the only animal on the planet expressing amylase in saliva. So, I'd say we're uniquely equipped to digest cooked grains, provided we chew them properly.
@LowTechInstitute
@LowTechInstitute 9 месяцев назад
Interesting. But then again, other than our pets, we're the only animals with access to COOKED grains. :-) I just meant that humans didn't subsist on seeds or grains for a majority of their calories until relatively recently in their evolutionary history. Good point, though.
@SurfDetector
@SurfDetector 3 месяца назад
Actually pigs also have amylase in their saliva.
@KEVINNOAD1
@KEVINNOAD1 Год назад
GMO is the main reason you should grow all your own grain organic seed
@GoofyCowProdutions
@GoofyCowProdutions Год назад
You mention that potatoes would take 40 hours per year for 2/3 of caloric intake, how many hours would this take for wheat?
@s.a.j.johnson
@s.a.j.johnson Год назад
Okay, real roughly, 500,000 calories is about 300 lb of flour, needing just over 7 bushels of wheat, or a bit over 0.29 acres. I don't have hard data on time, but with my threshing drum and mill, I estimate 80-100 hours total for planting, care, harvest, and process. With less efficient threshing and milling, more.
@wheelerryanr
@wheelerryanr Год назад
You mentioned potatoes as an easier more productive staple. I agree they can produce more food for less work, but this does come with trade offs. Producing potato “seed” that will produce a high yielding food crop is quite a bit more difficult than saving grain seed. Potatoes have also historically been grown in rotation with other cereals and pulses, so it’s not really a one or the other situation. Enjoyed your show and all the work you all do.
@s.a.j.johnson
@s.a.j.johnson Год назад
Sure. When I say "seed" potato, I mean tubers, so the offspring are really just clones/the same plant, not the true seeds from the fruits, so they should yield similarly. Also, potatoes were often grown on marginal land unsuitable for grain, too, leaving the good fields for cash crops. But yeah, a mix is a good idea: at least something will grow... 😀
@wheelerryanr
@wheelerryanr Год назад
@@s.a.j.johnson I was also referring to tubers and not TPS. There are many techniques used in growing out a seed plot (for tubers). Growers of seed tubers must also know locally prevalent diseases, the ways in which they spread, and whether or not they produce visual symptoms. Even after growing the seed crop, seed potatoes must be handled with more consideration than cereal crops. Though potatoes can yield significantly more calories per unit area than grain, it is highly dependent on seed quality. In many areas where farmers use tubers from food crop production yields are very much less than their potential. I bring all of this up because growing high quality seed potatoes takes knowledge, experience, and forethought; they aren’t the byproduct of growing potatoes for food. I too believe the potato will play a large role in the future of local food systems. In that event we will need this skill.
@LowTechInstitute
@LowTechInstitute Год назад
Thanks again and sorry for my slow reply. Good points to consider for sure. While seed-specific production has its place today, I wonder how we will manage that in a more locally scaled future? Would people need two separate plots? A small one to produce seed potatoes and another for production? What would be a workable model for self-saving potatoes for the long run?
@D.Treeson
@D.Treeson Год назад
​@@LowTechInstitute I'm by no means an expert but I've grown heirloom potatoes from self grown seed tubers for about 6 years. I keep them all in one plot but rotate its location each year, cycling back every 3 years. I'm very selective about where I take my tuber from and avoid any plants with signs of disease or root pests, and the ones surrounding them. This has worked well for me. I do grow 5 different varieties in the same plot and sometime mix varieties up within the rows themselves. Keeping short and long season together. This seems to break the worst of the pest/disease cycle. This season, due to lack of planning, I planted them in the same bed as last season. Last season was my best, I got 4.5-5kgs/m2 (~1 lb/ sqft) totaling 37kg (~81 lbs). Some years I've had as low as 1.5kg/m2. This year I got less than 4kg total from the same area and most if not all were inedible. I'd put my money on that it was the build up in the soil but maybe I've just been lucky up until now. Sorry for the long ramble. But to answer your question, in my inexpert opinion, you don't necessarily need two separate plots, and especially not a specific one for seed. But you do have to be vigilant, know what to look for, and know that the risk of failure is a lot higher than for professional growers. If I really truly depended on it or had more space, I'd never put all my faith in one plot of potatoes. Wish you all the best.
@ellenorbjornsdottir1166
@ellenorbjornsdottir1166 Месяц назад
Content warning for agricultural misunderstandings of the lavatory kind. And some dross to keep it below the read more line. [deliberately out of touch] lack of fertilizer? just pee on it
@ellenorbjornsdottir1166
@ellenorbjornsdottir1166 Месяц назад
Highly fertilizing your heritage wheat puts you at risk for lodging
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