Suicide Squad ruined how Arkham Batman met Superman! 

Do you think How Arkham Batman meets Superman was stupid? Let me know in the comments, thanks for watching. Until next time

Their meeting in a nutshell: Superman: Yo, Batman! The Justice League is pretty chill. Maybe you could like join us or something. Batman: Cool.

Let’s not forget that one of the firefighters in Arkham Knight actually *namedrops* Superman, wondering what his true identity is

Personally, they should've used the Crime Syndicate for Suicide Squad. There literally a evil Justice League that have no qualms about killing. It wouldn't betray the previous games, make players mad, and wouldn't disrupt continuity.

Another reason Superman didn’t come to Gotham is because the Arkham knight had the city rigged to blow, Alfred even says that he wants to prevent outside interference.

I think a simple fix is that the League did form years after Knight. But no one but certain individuals know that Batman is a member. As he’s more of a behind the scenes guy, not actively in the field with them. Amanda Waller would be one of the few people who figured out Batman is alive and tells the squad that.

If only Paul Dini kept writing those games...

Batman Arkham should’ve stayed self contained. It’s pretty clear that they stepped past the point of no return in stepping way from the pre 52 & dcau influence, and it’s very frustrating. Edit: it is indeed the stupidest thing I’ve heard, it’s borderline character assassination for Arkham ultimate loner Batman.

I totally agree with you, Luke. It’s stupid that Superman simply just asks Batman to join the Justice League despite him being a wanted criminal by the US Government.

If Batman had to come out of hiding and join the justice league in the Ark converse, I think there should’ve been some world ending threat that forced Batman to come out of the shadows and lie himself with the justice league to beat it. And the whole time Bruce is expecting that once the fight is done all the heroes he was fighting alongside, would turn against him and try to throw him in prison. But then, perhaps life finally throws a bone. The United Nations is holding a conference to thank the justice league for their service to protect the peace, and right as Batman is preparing to leave while no one is looking you could have some representative of of the United States and him pardon him of his crimes. Now, this obviously isn’t ideal as you would still have to come up with a way to address how the Bat-family doesn’t get hunted down by criminals for everything Batman has done, but at least it would be more satisfying than Superman just walking up to Batman and saying “would you like to join my club?”

Luke, your Knightfall Protocol Ending Explained video with 4.8 Million Views is one of my favorite RU-vid videos ever. I rewatch it EVERY TIME I replay Arkham Knight. Its the perfect way to cap off my yearly Arkham playthrough. Thanks

That‘s it, Rocksteady, I‘m doing my own Arkham Justice League that takes place between Origins and Asylum. I see why Sefton left the company

I'm listening to this while reading Paul Dini's run on Batman and let me tell you, it just makes me feel even worse about how WB has ruined Batman's character.

Superman wasn't around because of two reasons. One: The Arkham Knight threatens to blow the entire city if anyone from the outside interferes. Two: Batman didn't know him at the time and he is extremely territorial. He doesn't like when other heroes help him in his own city.

Another thing too is who the hell paid for the hall of justice if bruce lost all his fortune if he blew up wayne manor and lost wayne enterprises

They have Arkham Batman UNMASKED talking to kids in a hologram 🤣🤣🤣

I feel like Tim should've became Red Robin after the end of Arkham Knight, so he could actually have a shot at being genuinely being intimidating.

didn't batman smash talia in metropolis (before arkham city)

I thought they should have made a justice league game and form them how they did in the justice league show. After that they could have developed Superman and Batman's relationship and make Batman/Superman public enemies game or something like that. Instead we get this disappointment that kills the Justice league with horrible ways to put them down.

I still wished we got a Arkham Superman game or a Arkham justice league game because that would’ve been really awesome and tons of fun.

Braniac is such an overused villain like I think we've seen enough of him 😭😭

Sweet Baby Inc is a great example of why social media was a mistake and why therefore we need a law to end all social media and nothing will change my mind about it

If Rocksteady didn’t said that Suicide Squad kill the Justice League is connected to the Arkhamverse, we wouldn’t have Problems and honestly I would have picked a Justice League or better yet a Superhero Game than this Poor Excuse for a Retcon.

Yeah... it really sounds like they didn't think any of this shit through.

They took the emotional ending of Arkham Knight and wipe their a$$ with it.This game and story feels like a big"eff you"to Sefton Hill.He probably saw this game and said"see ya" and dipped.

This meeting is so awful. Why did they turn a potential cool meeting into a awful shortcut to making this game in the Arkhamverse

I always assumed the bat family had interacted with other characters outside of the games. We saw Bruce refucing help from Robin & Nightwing throughout City & Knight. I don't doubt he'd give Clark a hard time for getting involved either. Even assumed for this game that Brainiac would be such a huge threat that he'd be willing to risk everything to come out of the shadows. There's alot I'm willing to look past, but this? It had better be Ryder being an idiot because there's only so much I can take...

I prefer a more hopeful and optimistic Batman, so I’m not a big fan of Arkham Knight’s ending. But if they wanted to fix Batman after Knight, they needed a whole Justice League game to show that development. They can’t just skip that major character arc. We could’ve seen Superman confront Batman for being too violent and scaring ordinary citizens along with the criminals. Seeing the inspiration that Superman gives Metropolis could convince Bruce to become a hero instead of a punisher. Batman would reunite with the Batfamily and join the Justice League after coming out of his darkest time. They would have to get Bruce’s secret identity back somehow, but I don’t mind where Batman ends up by the time of Suicide Squad. However, all of this needed to be explored in either a World’s Finest or Justice League game.

Sweet Baby Inc screws up everything they touch. This is why good games are pretty rare and have been since about 2018 😢

Sweet Baby Inc is a great example of why social media was a mistake

I agree with you. Story is important to me. I can adapt to poor gameplay. If I'm invested into the story, I will do anything to continue said story. But if the story isn't good, I wouldn't care enough to learn the controls or adapt to poor gameplay. Arkham was and still is important to me. Even if I have to make my own head canon to make sense of the continuity. Also, fun fact, after a recent playthrough of Arkham City, I found a plaque on the prison walls. Apparently, Arkham City was established sometime in the 1990s. Maybe 1992, the release of the Animated Series? I don't know. But it seemed neat.

Even though it's dumb but honestly the thing is Rocksteady didn't have to use the Suicide Squad to continue the Arkhamverse it could have just continued with and here is just a few that can or could work is a Superman game, Wonder woman game, Green Lantern game or even a Flash game it doesn't have to be Batman game yet again and probably lead to a Justice League game. But but considering WB most likely or wanted to cash in on Suicide Squad franchise and hope it sticks even if it did or didn't connect to the Arkhamverse.

Thing I hate about this game is it practically belittled the importance of Ivy's sacrifice and the Knight Fall Protocol. Don't even get me on the Deadshot imposter bs...

It makes sense that he was just depressed after Arkham Knight

I agree with you, Luke. I think the story was a lot better and more fleshed out in Lego Batman 2 than it was in this game and that’s saying something lol. I also think it’s stupid that Superman would ask Batman to join the league knowing full well he is a wanted fugitive by the US government. Especially when Batman is just like sure I’m wanted by the government and I’m still taking my war on crime in Gotham in the process, but sure I’ll join the league. Now if Batman said what you said about hey look I’m still taking my war on crime and Gotham is my main priority, but if y’all actually need help with something one day and I know y’all will then yes I will join you when that day comes but til then I’ll be here and that would’ve been fine and fleshed out. I’m starting to think that Sweet Baby Incorporated are run by a bunch of preschoolers cause that’s what it’s starting to sound more and more like.

Injustice being a better alternative arkham verse is sounding better and better

22:11 I really agreed it just for marketing purposes and to make you want to buy the game or look into it

Something people don't talk about is how the played robin dying to batman as a joke that really pissed me off

I guess the starro Easter egg in the batgirl dlc means nothing now.

I love Kwing's videos so much! I've been watching since the OG Arkham Asylum walkthroughs on PS3 :) thank you for your amazing videos throughout the years.

I thought scarecrow said at the start of Arkham knight that if batman had any outside help he would blow up the city with the mines placed around?

So hyped for your video Kwing! Thank you!!❤😎🦇

At this point the only arkham game i think Suicide squad is gonna beat in sales is arkham Origins black gate and maybe beat Gotham knights😂

I know it wasn’t intentional, but the premise of Superman and batman meeting in a coffee shop would be a really compelling scene to watch, if they met up as “Bruce as Clark” I feel it’s been recently ignored how natural their friendship is, seeing the two characters share a genuine moment is something that hasn’t been done well since the justice league show.

They could have said Superman and a group of heroes formed the justice League after the events of Arkham knight or it revealed that Scarecrow asked Vandal Savage and legion of Doom distract to JLA while he and knight took over Gotham.

batman shouldve pulled the old switcheroo with himself as bruce wayne and the unconscious hush in the batman costume

I would like a Justice League game in the vein of Marvel Ultimate Alliance, but I'm sure anyone who does it today will make a complete dumpster fire out of the story and gameplay.

Great video Kwing! Thank you!❤😎🦇

"Between Batman and his son" That hits hard

Judge: “for saving all those lives and this city many times over I sentence you to 1000 years imprisonment, may Mr. Mxyzptlk have mercy on your soul”

Man Arkham origins Batman is so badass

Doesn’t ruin it at all, Batman was in a bad place and superman reached out and tried to help him. That’s perfect for supermans character and it’s a perfect way to set up batman and superman being best friends

Here's how I imagined the timeline before... this shit happened: Sometime after Origins, the JLA forms with Batman as a founding member. He stays on the League until the incident with Jason, at which point he leaves the team and kinda retreats into himself. Then the rest of the trilogy occurs, and some time after Knight, he comes back into the spotlight and rejoins the League.

I feel like Superman knows not to cross over into the Bat’s territory if Batman wanted his help he would’ve called or he was dealing with something else off world like you said

In my mind 🙏🇮🇳 To me, Arkham knight shall forever remain the true definitive self contained ending. Regardless of issues I had with arkham series, in retrospect I think these games should remain untouchable as they are. Now making SS canon ruins everything

In Arkham Knight Alfed explains that the Knight's threats to blow up the entire city if anyone intervened was clearly made to explain why Superman (who is mentioned by goons on the street) and the League do not help. So strange they would claim "he just wasn't around."

banger video Kwing!!!

I actually don't dislike the idea of them meeting like this. But I would've liked to see it portrayed in an actual game or cinematic. Not a throwaway line. I like the idea of Bruce Wayne, operating fully alone and in nightmare/ghost Batman mode, being approached by Clark and offered something bigger. Being introduced into something greater, a chance to find new allies & even family after the harrowing events of the Arkham storyline. It almost feels like a good ending for him, a light at the end of the tunnel. I genuinely believe it could've been done really well, had it been skillfully written and woven into the immediate aftermath of the Knightfall protocol. I just wish *that* was the storyline we got to see. I really don't care for The Suicide Squad as a group that much. Now sadly, KTJL feels like it's arriving at the tail end of a trend that's been done to death. We've seen the Squad attempted like 3 or 4 times already. James Gunn's version was amazing even. But I'm so sick and tired of seeing them. Focus on some different DC characters, for goodness sake.

What if Azrael was supposed to take over originally?

In Arkaham Asylum there is an audio where the Joker tells Harley that Batman sees everyone from above in his watchtower believing himself to be better than everyone else, that is not a statement that the Justice League exists in that universe and Batman Is it part of it?

“The bald wonder” 😂😂😂

100% agree

11:03 K-wing you are the best 😂

I agree with you because it could have been so much better in this universe and it feels a like a joke from Ryder but it’s most likely not to me it does not make any sense in this universe and should have not been connected at all

Like you said, context is the key, for all we know superman could've been asking batman for years or months maybe they did work together and Ryder just doesn't know, not everyone has to be them meeting to team up with a case or fighting a big bad or maybe he actually recruited batman to do so

They could’ve easily have had some man go to Batman to join the league because of brainiac. If they weren’t going to do that, they should just have this been an Elseworld game.

I agree with what you said

It makes more sence for arkham origins to take 10 years before arkham asylum due to how much stuff had to happen between the 2 games

I love the idea of Superman meeting Arkham Batman and giving him hope after AKa and inspiring him to join the Justice League. But… we should’ve seen this. This should’ve been a Justice League game with the lineup of the DCAU. Arkham Asylum felt like a successor to Batman TAS. Why not make this Justice League game a love letter to the Arkhamverse and the DCAU a d just DC in general? Have them face off against the Legion of Doom. Make it an Ultimate Alliance style game with no sequel in mind. Let the fan imagine what the Justice League of the Arkhamverse will go through next.

hugo strange also noticed catwoman loves batman (arkham city catwoman tapes)

I think Rocksteady are trying to make Arkham batman like Tony Stark, with the fact he's the only hero of the league to have his identity revealed. It sounds interesting, if you have great writers which rocksteady doesn't have anymore.

This dude sure as hell said a whole lot of nothing for 28 minutes

Don’t worry guys, the Batman Arkham story ended a long time ago. None of this is canon just because they say it is. Don’t buy the game, don’t let them profit off of Kevin legacy with this abomination.

I’m looking to forward to you playing suicide squad can’t wait to see my boy Supes done dirty yet again so tired of the evil superman plot line

You completely forgot that in the first street bomb mission Batman finds in Bleake Island, Alfred says that the Arkham Knight has sent a worldwide warning that if any other hero interfering in Gotham, he would detonate all the street bombs at once.

Honestly, with the way i feel about Arkham Knight, and the information you’ve given about SSKTJL, I’m glad I’m not going to play this game💀

In Arkham Knight Superman probably didn’t help because the Knight had bombs ready to blow if anyone entered city limits. Also we haven’t seen how their meeting plays out yet so im holding back judgement. A brief overview can make any story sound dumb. Batman greatest villain dies in Arkham City because Batman dropped the cure and it shattered. Its an amazing story but if you just do a very simple summary of the ending it can sound dumb.

I always wanted to know what Batman would have had to become

Hm, I see, that’s unfortunate, i hope there will be more to it, but until we get more details, i just hope the Arkham Series gets taken care of by another Studio.

Is Rocksteady stupid?

let,s come together and sign a petition to mske sskjl non canon

I love how he could've explain how Batman met Superman in two sentences and stretched it to half an hour

My head canon on why Superman never showed up is that is that everything happened in one night. Superman looked at the situation and thought batman can handle this, and beside he doesn't like when i interfere with his business, I'll just go to bed because metropolis is a safe place and i don't have to worry about that kind of stuff, waking up to see that batman did handled it until arkham knight event happened where he was like Damm Batman what happen during that one night.

So they started working with sweet baby ink in the suicide squad kill the Justice League game or in Arkham Knight? Thanks

Without a doubt I agree with you from each and every accurate point you made to the details you pointed out about the lack of creativity and authenticity from the writers as well as a shitty business move from WB. Honestly I said the exact same thing but I’m glad to see an OG coming out with not only factual information but a steady flow of consistency aligning with proof.

After you showed clips from the Arkham games trailers, I thought about something: By this point in time, and with how far technology has come since nearly a decade, a new Arkham game could nearly look like the high fidelity trailers we got way back when. A shame that we got what we have now

How would batman become joker by having his blood in his body when jokers not a meta human hes a regular guy bleached in a vat of chemicals

Arkham knight has so many references to how the justice league were already a team and members Easter eggs

Superman is also referenced in Arkham knight, by one of the fire fighters, one says something along the lines of “next you’re going to tell me Superman’s a janitor, or a journalist!”

At 9:46 you showed Batman in an outfit I’ve never seen before. Where’s it from? High end exoskeleton. Orange lights and shit. Looking meaty.

Superman definitely wasn't around the time of Arkham City. Hugo Strange was very confident in wanting to build arkham city like prisons in Keystone and metropolis. I don't think he would do that if there was flying superhero metahuman

I'm always with team Kwing!

Thanks I always thought the comics was canon so that explains why Captain Boomerang is alive

Nah, the justice league died, pathetically. What are they doing?😐

You are the best batman chanel ❤️😂

The justice league should've been active in the earlier arkham games so this game makes no sense just like the arkham knight

As you said, that’s just Jack Ryder’s recount. Perhaps Superman was putting together the team, and the league voted on bringing in Batman, because they had been looking into him, and don’t believe he’s really dead. Maybe they predicted an inevitable threat(Brainiac), and Superman goes to confront Batman on the approaching threat. They have a lengthy discussion. Batman joins and only has a dedicated to the team mentality because he knows that the team is the best chance they have against the upcoming threat. So he’s determined to work with them to understand each member better and keep them together so they can stop Brainiac. Of course, Ryder wouldn’t know all the behind the scenes stuff. He’d know just as much as a random civilian who caught a glimpse of Batman and Superman on a roof talking for a moment.

Literally, no one wanted this game. They should have left the arkham verse alone. I mean how did Batman get mind controlled by Brainiac, its stupid

actually in the Arkham knight game There's A THUG a random THUG says "this town is insane what we are missing is just that FREAK: (AKA SUPERMAN) from metropalis

They totally should of made that batman beyond game but I guess they hate money