Suns Fire Frank Vogel and the NBA Star Coaching Carousel | The Bill Simmons Podcast 

While making fun of Skip for doing basically the same thing

Thanks, you prevented me from wasting 12 minutes of my life.

Doc gets treated with kid gloves and it makes no sense

Ok tko

He did the same with Kyrie. Called him overrated on the Cavs, then acted like the Celtics got the second best PG in the league, and then spent years trash talking him once he forced his way out. You can go down the list. Hell, even a nobody like Jae Crowder got the Bill Simmons treatment. "Can you believe this guy is coming off the bench? One of the best 3 and D players in the league!" to "Why is the dumpster fire still in the league" the next year. Bill as big of a homer as Stephen A, but at least Bill watches basketball.

Wiz dump salary in Beal then add another salary dump in Poole.

@@marcusgarvey6231 No. It wasn't salary dump on Poole. Their organization was dumb enough to believe that Poole was a top player.

Even though Miami never changed coaches 😂

Still more rings this decade alone than the Celtics this decade and last lmaooo

Oh I see!!! Got it

@@chr1sj151 he wanted spoltra fired but Riley has balls and told him no.

Well done 😂 I love LeBron but this is funny af

Lebron has 4 rings. Lebron has 4 Finals MVP'S. He has more rings than 97 of the 113 NBA players in the hall of fame. Your little diatribe doesn't change any of that. And no one who has ever coached Lebron has been as successful without him. Not Mike Brown. Not Ty Lue. Not Spoelstra. Not Blatt. Not Vogel. And Ham won't be either.

@@thomascrowniii1693 And yet Lebron will never be the GOAT that he calls himself.

@shorewall He doesn't have to be. GOAT is a matter of OPINION. The FACTS are that there are 97 players who he has more rings than in the HOF and they include Doc, Bird, Moses, Ewing, Malone, Stockton, West, Wilt, Hakeem, Barkley and about 80 other guys who are the best players in the history of their respective franchises.

@poorchris No one care about people who don't know sh!t about basketball. Kyrie missed the playoffs every year before he played with Lebron and hasn't been past the second round since. And Lebron has been the favorite in the Finals 3 times and only lost one of them. He was the favorite against Dallas. The Heat weren't the favorite against the Spurs the second time and the Cavs were never the favorite against the Warriors. Stop lying and stick to the FACTS until then 🤫

Then how does Booker make sense on the list? He's only played for one franchise yet he's higher than LeBron on the list.

Wild narrative; Jokic has never played with an all star...

Counterpoint: Doc in BOS. He kinda killed it with that team.

@@ericpeters0n What did he do? He was the coach for years. They won when they made a superteam in an era with no superteams.

​@@ericpeters0n Those guys in Boston came together by themselves because they were desperate to get a title. It lasted 2 seasons. The only reason why you noticed doc in those years was because a team with 4 all famers was continuously going to game 7 against mediocre teams and was never able to win a series convincingly.

Seriously... but those are the strays you catch when you're in the GOAT convo.

Because KD is following in Lebron's footsteps. He is doing things he hath seen the master do.

I love Lebron so much I named my first child after him and I'm white

it ain't slander if it's true

@@shorewalland lebron is following Kobe

If he lost the locker room, it's because of the roster they got. You got KD and Beal, who are losers. That's two out of their Big 3. No one in that front office cares about fit, or fight, or hustle. Look at the Knicks, look at the Wolves, look at OKC. Most of the teams that are advancing in the playoffs look like they want to be there. And in the end, Vogel got fired because they got sodomized by this Buzzsaw of a Wolves team. If they won and went further, then I don't think he gets fired. Vogel is the scapegoat, no matter what anyone says. It's like saying that Adrian Griffin lost the Bucks locker room, but they did better with him as coach then with Doc!

Both Frank and the roster were the problem. Trust me it was both.

​@@shorewallyou kids just come on here to type rubbish . How can you call two grown men you dont know losers ? Yall r some sheep smh

@@shorewall there is no coach in the world who could take Durant to the finals unless the roster was already the best team ever assembled before he got there. beal is a good player on a bad team guy. booker is overrated at this point.

Shut up guy

That’s true but did you really think Vogel was gone be the type of headcoach to put the Suns over the top?

​@RonJP-pm7jp it's mostly the roster, not the coach. Terrible team building, the man pleaded for a point guard.

He has 4 years left on his contract....he just won the lottery.

Really? Name one adjustment Vogel made on either end of the floor from game 1 to game 4. I'll wait...

@@thomascrowniii1693not to mention them barely having an offense to speak of. You shouldn’t have the 10th best offense with that roster. Having a bad defense is understandable to blame on roster construction but that offense sucked because of the coach more than any lack of PG. booker kd and Beal provide enough passing to have a great offense with a good coach. Look at Philly. No one thought they had a traditional point guard and and look how he improved their play with good coaching.

David Tepper

Sure he is, didn't you see him shove a guy in the back and cripple an old man? Go watch the tape again, Book shove is what got that knee. Bush league.

Monty Williams, the guy coaching in Detroit? The guy who kept on losing and losing and losing? They paid him a 72 million dollar contract my guy, otherwise Detroit would fire his ass too. That's like CEO money! He landed on his feet, relax.

@@chiggsytube That's nice, but it has nothing to do with what I said, lol. I love the relax part at the end as if I'm screaming this. Nice try little man. 👍

Kobe had more coaches lololol

@@misinfluence interim coaches don't count

I don't understand the LeBron hate. He only left teams when his contract was up. He never demanded a trade. The only trade he was a part of was a sign and trade that was equivalent to him leaving in free agency. People don't hate Jordan for quitting on his teammates with his two fake retirements or for signing with the Wizards and basically being their GM while playing

​@@catman-du8927 lebron never ask for trades because he wants to choose his destiny and even moreso he wants to control the narrative that a team didn't have to "get rid of him" but more that he chose to leave on his own accord.Lebron whole shtick is that coaches,gms and teams didn't make him better in any type of way but that he makes everything happen because of his own genius it's egotistical nonsense

@@catman-du8927 and you don't think LeBron has been the GM/coach? He got so many players traded and coaches fired.

I think they figured the offensive stars would be good enough, and they needed Vogel to handle the defense. But the Suns are a badly built roster.

Who do you blame and who does all media blame? Who have they been blaming for the last 20 years? The stupidity of you and these idiots is on another level. But you heard it so must repeat right.

Remember when CP3 took the Suns to the finals, good job trading him and having no leaders.

6:06 this is good analysis, what is the "team identity" of the Phoenix Suns as a whole unit? Is it just their offensive talent? Will coach Bud or any coach make a difference on a team that can't go out and add players that fit that coach's "playstyle"? Because owner Matt Ishbia is expecting results from his investment and the Suns huge payroll, the whole front office better be working to fix this mess or he will dump them all.

We’ll never see anyone ever get held to the standard LeBron does. The reality is when things go good ppl like this try to give everyone else credit but when things go wrong they blame LeBron even tho they contradict themselves like you said.

He’s selfish

Lebron is the reason the roster is not good enough to compete for a championship! There is nothing the team can do to win, as long as Lebron is on the team holding them back. What trade, what signing, should they have made? They got a miracle turning Westbrook into DLo! But it's never enough, because Lebron is the number 1 on the team, when he just ain't that guy anymore. And he won't shrink his role, because of his ego. When they win, it's all thanks to Lebron. When they lose, it's everyone else. Lebron is a walking sieve on defense. He pretends to care, when he is really just stat padding. He won't sacrifice stats, or money, or playing time, in order to win. He won't leave the Lakers for a better situation, because he is now a full time mogul, stat padding because he thinks that might put him over MJ, when it never will.

@@shorewall Bruh, just say i hate LeBron, it’s okay.

@@mikeg7244 It really is okay.

Aging, no-longer-superstars playing on teams with weak owners that they can bully into doing their bidding

Booker isn’t even in his prime plz stfu

I think that makes a lot of sense. They don't shoot 3s anyway, and they need some kind of offensive identity.

Now that would be entertaining.

He called him as the better pick than Oden at the draft, got it right, and has a soft spot for him ever since.

Dudes a walking bucket. His ability to get his own shot is unmatched in his generation. He is 6th all time in points averaged per game. I don't really understand what you're asking. KD is one of the 25 best basketball players ever and he's still in the league. Anyone who's job it is to talk about basketball is going to have a "infatuation" with him.

@@mjwbulich Lol, KD is a loser. He has the talent of a number 1, but the heart of a bench guy.

He gets them fired as a scape goat. What are you saying? No one's saying the coaches are better without him. They are saying that the coaches weren't the reason they lost. Lebron is. Lebron is weak mentally. He has only won when the deck was stacked in his favor, and folds every other time. Miami, he had a HoF coach, two All star teammates, and went 50% in the finals over 4 years, when they were the best team in the league. And the years that they lost, he didn't show up. Hell, they almost lost in 2013. And the teams that he lost to weren't world beaters. In Cleveland, he built another superteam with 2 all star teammates. And in another 4 years he won 1 chip. In LA, he had an MVP level teammate, and over 5 years, has won 1 chip. Lebron runs from superteam to superteam, leaving his previous team in shambles. He sets up as good of a situation for himself as he can, and he still can't get it done. In every situation, there is one constant. Not the coach, not the players, but Lebron. MJ won 6 chips in 8 years with the same team. And his teams never had as much talent as every one of Lebron's teams since he went to Miami. And what's more, LeGM has sabotaged Lebron's own chances, by getting teammates traded who went on to be better away from him than they were with him.

@@shorewalllebron was the underdog for 7 out 10 finals not according to me according to vegas

@poorchris LeBron has literally received the blame for all of those things.

He is always bitching about the team and coaching and puts the blame on role players who don't bail him out. And his whole Klutch and ESPN Propaganda machine goes even further. Notice what he doesn't do. Take responsibility and blame, stand up for his teammates, etc.

He does it often he’s just passive aggressive. He do it with tweets and silly emojis.

Since rookie year

@@norebab3818 Send me the quotes

Because KD is a loser. Because Beal is a loser. And because Booker is a loser.

Lebron has his Klutch tentacles in the media. He has conditioned his fans to do his dirty work for him. When they win, it was all thanks to Lebron. When they lose, it was anyone else. When he plays good, it's amazing that he's doing this at 39. When he doesn't play good, give him a break, he's 39! Lebron will never be the GOAT that he calls himself. This last act of his career is really exposing his true character.

@@shorewall💯