Super Deep Stacked w TOP SET (500bb+) 

someone is obviously unbalanced here. either the villain over folds and needs to be bluffed a lot or the hero is to tight and underbluffs.

@@TheTree1 villain explains it well in the reddit link !

Never eh..

Shaun Fugate Yep. Online is harder. Fugate-boutit!

Yeah but if you want to learn properly you have to play hard games.

You should never raise this river, unless you play against an idiot. Because you shouldn’t get called by worse.

He either has a missed flush draw or 56s. If he had a set it would probably have raised earlier

Chenxi Lin If you raise to 275-300$ and get shoved on, do you fold?

0.5/1 is mid stakes online tbf

Button calling ranges open up a lot. Our .50/$1 home game regularly gets this deep, and I agree. Once people are playing 400+ bb, three bet ranges and button calling ranges grow. Not every player every time calls 56o on btn here, but definitely happens some percentage of the time.

This "villain" and "hero" nonsense sounds so fucking stupid. Its poker not Zelda.

@Piotr Dembowy Learn? What does Villain and Hero have to do with my knowledge of poker. I've been a degenerate poker play for over 20 years.

Are they? I know sometimes but I don't know many players who three bet that in LP. Games must be tougher than I thought

I've seen some crazy 3 bets at 2/5 on the river. The other day at Encore a guy 3 bet the river with the 2nd straight on a paired board QQJ107 board, he 3 bet the river with K9 after getting raised. The guy ended up calling with AK for the nut straight lol

That's what I was thinking. If you click it back there is almost no way a set folds. Then I guess you have to call a jam

That’s some ballsy risk

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@@CrushlivePoker oh its blocked in my country (Australia) due to copyright

Or you're value owning yourself by backing into a straight. Removing combos of value from the hand on the river just means the villain is more likely to have a larger proportion of their range as pure value, 5-6s. So for example if you know that your opponent with middle/bottom set never plays this way then you can never shove on the river as it's not a wet board so how many bluffs can they have that would raise to a large sizing on the river (the answer is very few and less than the 4 combos of 5-6s that crush top set).

Tip Top thank you that makes a lot of sense. Basically all you are doing is lessening your chances and possibly putting yourself in a really tight spot I’d some one does raise you big

The disadvantage to raising isn’t due to your opponents folding, it’s due to the fact that they’ll always call with 56 and you’ll then lose more money. Obviously the advantage to raising is that you win more money is 77/44 call you. The hands that fold are irrelevant since any hand that folds to your raise would have lost to you at showdown anyway.

The general rule of why you make a bet or raise is, to make villan fold a better hand or to make the villan call with a worse hand. If the villan folds his worse hands(7s 4s+ some bluffs) to a raise, this implies he only calls with nuts in this case. So raising with KK will not make you more money.

Mostly. Against lower level players, I may raise again anyway for value as they overvalued their own sets or some stupid shit like AA here. Against average or better players, I am just calling for the reasons you say. Nuts will jam (obviously) and we have a crying, losing call or they fold. I think they recogonize a 3 bet on the river is nuts, near nuts. We get value from nothing and open up our exposure to the nuts. One thing I have with Bart is he regularly assumes that opponents *have to call* with worse because of theory. No, they don't and the times they do doesn't put a dent in the aggregate of lost value. And overbetting costs you so much value at these lower stakes and its to the tune of hundreds of BBs in these scenarios.

Small blinds

I just don't got the bankroll to move up bro :(

Or hero is an ultra nit

@Cousin Jimmy Farha simple, villain getting a good price 120 to win 520, so he can't really fold any lower sets or 2 pairs. Only hands that shove over the 240 raise is 65s. So I did consider his 4 bet range and also his calling 3 bet range. 4 bet range = nuts. 3bet call range 2 pair+. Common sense

@Cousin Jimmy Farha because obviously river 4 bets are super nutted. I don't think you have to really waste mental energy on considering 4 bet range other than the nuts unless it happens. Bart went with shove river and if you shove you don't have to worry about 4 bet because no more money behind. I went with smaller 3bet to target villains entire range that 2 bets river. It's a really simplistic hand with no real 3 bet bluffs available. Not much to discuss, but if you wanna find technicalities in my words than good for you.

What would you consider 4 bet range? Because I'm tired of repeating myself in a very simple hand.

@Cousin Jimmy Farha omg are you trolling? Because 4 bet = nuts. Everyone has already said it. There is nothing to consider. It's not rocket science man.

@Cousin Jimmy Farha yes, we consider 4 bet is the nuts. Idk how many times I have to say this. I'm done with this pointless discussion.

Than adapt and bluff more if they fold too much, easy

LOL

And a few years before that it would have been this scenario with a fold by top set except people didn't understand what ranges were so would have been like "oh man I put him on 5-6 hearts so I hadda fold". Swings and roundabouts. Lol.

Matt J Watson So villain decided to raise hero's river bet knowing that hero had 3 kings? Lol

@@theejayzeeable he folded face up

Villain has to fear 56 just as much as hero does.

Matt J Watson. Then think of it in terms of the live game skill equivalent to .50/1 online. Many would say 2/5 live or higher. Happy now?

The app games are weird. It's not like 50 dollar zoom on stars which is a ridiculously tough game but it's not 50 dollar live either so this isn't quite micro stakes. Also people can multitable which means you'll probably find a lot more decent pros at this level on the apps then you would at your local casino.

@Cousin Jimmy Farha lol

That's a terrible take. Players at this level are playing way better than live 1-3 games. As you can hear from the caller and the villain.