@@greyser6007 I still think they couldve thought of a much more creative name. Super saiyan blue evolution is the basic description of every saiyan form. Ssj2 is the evolution of ssj1. In GT ssj4 is the ultimate evolution of the saiyan race etc
@@jezreelphil8437 Oh yh I just call it Super Sayian Blue 2, but like that was done really well with Vegeta backed up against the wall between a rock and a hard newly ascended God of Destruction
@@johnhawkins5314 and they never explained what it is. Why it's never appeared before. Requirements. Power etc. It was really cool. But felt like they just wanted to give vegeta something so that he isnt hopelessly outclassed by goku.
Or at least something different from a SSJ palatte swap. Heck, a trimmed-down version of their hair, a longer version of their hair, a wavy version of their hair, just something different...
Ya know what I kind of find interesting is that two Dragon Ball figure lines SH Figuarts and the less known Shodo Line potray Super Saiyan Blues hair to be just slightly less wider then Super Saiyan, even though both the hairs are almost identical to the smallest detail in the plastic.
@@briang3598 There’s a slight difference from blue and super saiyan. There’s a tuft of hair that goes to the side instead of up like super saiyan.. not much tho..
I personally prefer Ssj god. I like the design more and how it was achieved. It was throw off to the side and then blue came. Since its god ki I think it would have been cooler for vegeta to get a ssj god hakai form like toppo but a ssj form
In my opinion. The best way to fix this was use SSG more. Would have been another form that Goku could use and Blue would not need to be used as much which would mean that Blue would automatically be more special whenever it shows up.
I think the name "Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan" does a good job demonstrating how much thought was put into the transformation, which is to say not much.
@@BanaNa-rw1dh the anime and manga of super are two different continuities They don't follow each other Main story points are the same but how that story happens are completely different Toriyama makes some plot outlines and then the anime staff and toyotaro (the current manga author) adapt those plot points in their own ways
The issue with these form changes, and with DBZ in general, is that after a certain point they stopped trying to SHOW us how powerful these characters are, and they had to start TELLING us. SS Blue LOOKS just as strong as classic SS, but we're TOLD it's stronger. This is why I'm a little more OK with Ultra Instinct, because it fundamentally changes the way Goku fights and thus really stands out as unique. It's not just "New hair color = More powerful."
In addition to everything you've said, I think a big problem is that it came right after BoG. We only saw Super Saiyan God (which we all loved) for one fight. I liked the design of Blue. The aura is really cool, and is my favourite aura of all the forms. It just came out of nowhere when we had only just got to grips with the whole new level of power.
super saiyan god is just your base with god ki, going into super saiyan with it makes ssjb, and they have already mastered ssj, and harder forms, so it makes sense they could go into it easily what doesnt make sense is why people dont understand why ssjg isnt shown much, probably cause of the aura this is the same series where ssj3 wasnt shown much cause of its long hair, so why would an aura be out of the picture to simply just not use it much?
I 100% agree with you. SSB should be built up to when they fight a stronger opponent to show how serious they are. The way it's built up when Goku fights Jiren and Broly were both great I'd wish they'd do that more
Jim Fine that’s probably when they fixed the issue. It wouldn’t surprise me that they thought it was lackluster in RoF so they tried fixing it in the ToP and Broly movie. The problem was that they just chucked ‘huge opponents’ arc after arc so they would have no choice but to go all out from the beginning. Jiren was a different case because Goku didn’t know how strong h was and needed to save his energy. And Broly just kept getting stronger - thus he needed to boost himself as well.
One of the things the manga does so much better. For instance, the technique of using SSG for a heavy opponents, and intermittently switching on the blue for a brief augmentation in speed and strength, but not holding it constantly because it would be too big of a drain on energy
@@briang3598 which doesn't make much sense because one of the special things about Blue is supposed to be that it is a form focused on control over the God Ki, it's not supposed to run out quickly or anything like that.
Raenar Braun Not necessarily. At this point, Ssjblue is a multiverse buster. But more and more characters are asspulled to give it a “good fight” The fan base is tired of seeing that form for every little thing. Giving it a more scarce appearance and actually making it look as strong as it is will give it a much better reputation.
Stop using it against people like Krillin and then saying the ki control allowed him to lower his power. I mean if he transforms to make himself weaker why not just stay base. Maybe someone will say it's to make himself weaker than his base but that just sounds dumb.
DZ Legend Exactly. And worst part is that in DBZ goku was stated to have perfect KI control of all his forms except for Ssj3. Meaning that he can easily control his KI in base form. Ssjb wasn’t necessary for anyone in the ToP except for Jiren. The bad writing made Kefla and Anizara above ssjb fro whatever reason, even though ssjb was stated to “have power that rivals even the gods” Which just pissed me off even more. I guess everyone in dB is G.O.D tier now.
@@zorro8027 I'll give Kefla a pass. Tbh I liked the saiyan girls. More so Caulifla. I could believe that she was actually a prodigy and that Kale's berserk form was like a mini Broly so I can see how blue was needed for Kefla. Blue was also needed for full power Toppo. But yea Goku did a whole training regimen to make SSJ1 a natural form for him. Blue is just about not letting Ki run wild but wasn't that what his training did?
I personally felt that Super Saiyan Blue should have introduced Goku and Vegeta to utilising hax abilities, making them focus less on brute strength and more on techniques and new ki-based attacks.
@@whodatboi2567 Well I would rather keep super saiyan god as a technique type while blue is a power type, but the excution is different from the original
Goku: oh... here’s what I made earlier AHHHH!!!!! **farts** Babidi: how my gosh... did you really just fart? Goku: opps sorry... That was on a accident.... AHHHHH!!!! **goes super saiyan 3** now this is what I made earlier
Babidi: So I'm supposed to be astounded by your massive muscle and long gold hair? Goku: Is it working? Babidi: To be honest that demonstration could have been worst, I thought you dye your hair blue. Goku: Blue? HMMM blue Berry muffin.
Yeah. I love Masako and the whole TFS crew, but they can be a bit contradictory with what they say. "Lani: We don't value contarianism just for it's own sake." Even though they were doing a DBCember, and at least 50% of Dragon Ball is contrarianism for it's own sake because Toriyama hates going down the obvious path. And now Masako saying that Blue was half baked even though most of Dragon Ball beyond the first arc is just ideas that Toriyama made up on the fly without much deep thought behind them.
@@gergernzero6904 it was probably blue cause if it was orange ya'know the mixture of what ssjg and ssj would be realistically it'd be hard to tell the difference between ssj and ssjb, so to make it blue was the safer bet
Blue was a mistake. And since it's just mashing two forms together, you can't get rid of it either. The thing to do with it is to throw in something else, so their default is a modified design. Evolution is as good as that horrible blue is ever going to look. I'd personally delete it forever and roll back to the awesome looking red we never got to use correctly.
at least goku used red in the top really cleverly (red drains much less stamina than blue so he used red when being attacked and blue when going on the offensive when he needed that extra punch) but blue was unfortunately really underwhelming
Red should have been their goal to achieve *on their own* without any help, with Blue being the crutch until they reach Red. That would also fit with Toriyama's "Red color feels strong while Blue feels weak". They can't really control god Ki yet, so they mix it with their super saiyan transformation to get a boost in power, but weaker than a true godly transformation. And then you can go to UI if needed. But no, they *ALWAYS* have to up the ante, don't mind that Beerus was still much stronger than Golden Frieza and Red was able to give him something like a fight.
@@scivoid I could agree with you if it wasn't for UI. That's base form hair, basically (well, a tiny bit more wild). Sure, UI is, technically, a technique instead of a transformation, but the eyes and the hair change, so... That said, what you propose would also work.
@@Nothingness4907 right after the god Battle of gods ark super Saiyan God what shouldn't even be called super Saiyan God it should just be called saiyan God considering it's just base form hair it's not bad blue isn't terrible to me I'm just mediocre about it maybe if it had more of a lasting impact and a slightly different shade of blue like between blue evolution and blue itself maybe it'd be nice
It would've also been amazing if Goku revealed SSB whenever he was fighting Hit for the first time. Since SSB is apparently all about better ki control, it would've hit us the double whammy of Goku showing off a new form and bringing back Kaioken. It would've added even more tension to the fight and hit our nostalgia buttons. Kaioken Blue was all about mixing the old era of DB with the new one.
Honestly, when you mentioned Ultra Instinct being the true essence of Blue, my thoughts were actually about... Goku Black. That's what I envisioned when you said he'd be looser, calmer, more lucid, and overall more eloquent. Goku Black's personality, barring the murder-y, genocide-y side, is actually what I thought of first.
We do see sparks of SSB in the anime before they attain it and Whis is like "Hmmm... Interesting". I can't remember which episode but I think Goku and Vegeta are sparring, and their fists connect, the aura around their fists goes blue leading them to stop and look at their fists... but I like your version of it.
Honestly I would have kept Super Saiyan God through Battle of Gods/Resurrection F and introduce Blue during Goku's fight with Hit. Would allow it to have a more "bam" reveal & showcase which would do a lot to help the image of the form.
I keep wondering, would someone who didn't like the original Broly movies and as such was more-or-less anti-hyped for Super Broly like that movie, or should I not bother to watch?
@@shrigula9457 really? I might have to give it a look after all.... Thanks for the input; I asked my ex about it a week or two ago, and he was a little vague about it
well done Masako. you truly fixed SSblue but, when you talked about the elegance of speech that blue represents,... I actually thought more of Goku Black when he goes Rose
I really like Blue, I always felt that it was sort of a combination of Super Saiyan's power boost with standard form's precise Ki control (hence the ability to use it with Kaioken) and also, in regards to him using it in the fight against Krillin, I always interpreted that as Goku wanting to give Krillin a taste of how powerful the opposition in the tournament was going to be
With your colour theory it would make sense to use ssjblue against krillin and such, so he could read into them better. Maybe that could be an explanation why Goku used it... I actually like this fix alot.
the logic behind goku using blue on krillin was to prepare him for the ridiculously strong guys at the top so the color theory actually fits in nicely here especially since goku says and i quote: “krillin, what will you do now?”
In my opinion, I just roll with it as far as transformations go. Granted I got really hyped upon watching resurrection f, but I do see your point masako.
Anyone else here actually like Super Saiyan Blue, or is it just me? Don't get me wrong, it definitely could have been tweaked like Masako said, but I still like it the way it is. Still loved the video!!!
I like super saiyan blue but the problem is that was over utilized for trivial things and ignoring the existence of Super Saiyan God until the Tournament of power... why was Super Saiyan God not utilized in the earlier sagas if Vegeta can use Super Saiyan God in Dragon Ball Broly and Goku ultilze Super Saiyan God in the tournament of power
I like the form, but its naming and introduction aren't great. As an example, simply "Saiyan God" for the red one and "Super Saiyan God" for blue, since SSJB is supposed to be a Saiyan God that's gone super saiyan. Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan? Really? What's next, Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Ultra Instinct Super Saiyan? As for its introduction, it should have been introduced in a similar fashion as the first introduction as the original Super Saiyan on Namek, where Krillin dies and causes Goku to go Super Saiyan along with his God form and send Frieza back to his happy hell.
This should become a series where Masako tries to give theories and ideas on how to fix some of Dragon Ball's biggest letdowns or bad moments...Maybe call it...MasakofiX? lol
I always thought when Goku was going from SSG to SSB in the Broly movie and seeing him look like he was struggling was that Goku was trying to go Mastered Ultra Instinct but couldn't due to not learning how to turn MUI at will decided to just go Blue instead, that's what I took away from seeing his hair, eyebrows and pupils trying to go silver in the Broly film since at that time we didn't know about the Moro Arc as well as if Goku was going to learn to fully unlock a way to go UI and MUI at will like he does with the other forms he has
I kind of like Super Saiyan Blue, though. Truthfully, it has the 2nd most victories out of any other Super Saiyan form, after the 1st Super Saiyan form. Although most of those were victories in which Super Saiyan Blue was not even needed, but still. The form also seems to break it's limits alot. Like when Goku Blue overpowered a Vegito Blue level opponent in Merged Zamasu during a Energy blast clash.
SkyTech RTS Dragon balls are smaller than normal cannonballs. Unless you go to namek, then they're slightly larger. Unless you go get the Super Ones, there's an idea.
@@RickyUzumaki993 Probably because 2 and 3 had lightning, and God had Fire. Keep up the scheme. Maybe Ice for Blue? Keep Wind for a potential Green transformation if it happens
A good way to fix the issue of not using blue is, having them use it when they actually need to and making goku and Vegeta ascend into it. And, when they get tired they drop into ssg.
When I first SSGSS was it was only with Vegeta, I thought Goku would have a Red transformation, and Vegeta got Blue, and I thought that was really cool, my hopes were crushed
Gotta say, I adore Super Saiyan Blue. It's possibly my favorite transformation out of all of them (due in part to the ability to use Kaioken with it, which itself is actually what got me interested in Dragon Ball again a few years ago) but I must say that you make some fantastic points here, and I like your idea of having it be used as a stepping stone for Ultra Instinct.
@@dandyspacedandy That being said I feel super saiyan violet could be like a corrupt version of ssgss/ssb that make the user lose control. idk just throwing out an idea
Yeah, they didn't handle Blue too well. I used to think that they used it so often because its about Ki Control and them learning to use Divine Energy. That's how Goku was able to use it against Krillin and not instantly disintegrate him. He could use Blue at a lower level to give Krillin a sort of confidence boost ya know? Buuuuuut, obviously that's not the case since they still use regular SSJ pretty often too. I can only defend the show so much lmao
If we go with the chakra theory, then having Goku get more creative with his ki moves would be really fun. We’ve seen that ki can be used to form pretty much anything. Spheres, discs, lightning, halos, there doesn’t seem to be any outright limit.
The thing most people fail to get with the Goku blue vs. Krillin is that it's not that Krillin was so strong that Goku had to resort to blue, but rather Goku wanted to show Krillin the sort of power levels he might very well encounter during the tournament of power. In fact, Krillin ended up winning, not by overpowering Goku, but by using his head.
I really like SSB but I would change 1 thing, it's stated that it provides better ki control so I think it should come with new abilities like Zamasu's ki weapons or beams from their feet or mouth just more unique ki manipulation in general
I think ultra instict is "primal" rather than "elegant". Basically being more instinctive than reflective. From that point of view I don't agree with the fix that ssblue would be a light ultra instinct.
I like ssb but I always thought it acted like a dimmer switch. At max, it’s much stronger than ssg, but because it’s better control of god ki it should make all other forms weaker useless because blue can just dial in that much power. But they still showcase the older forms because marketing. I can be wrong tho
Hey, big fan, but...for as much as you talk up how emotionally impactful Super Saiyan transformations can and should be, you seem to give out SSJ2 rather easily in your what-ifs.
11:33 I feel like this mood shift should be applied only to early uses of Super Saiyan Blue. Similarly to how most Super Saiyan transformations were reached through rage and outbursts of emotion.
I think the best way to fix the design of SSB is to simply make the form more like SSG, such as giving it a skinnier body and a more "peaceful" looking face, instead of just giving a Super Saiyan a blue hair dye.
its a MIX of ssjg and ssj, now what are those forms? a spiky haired form mixed with a form that just changes the color of your hair, so what does that make? a form that looks exactly like the form with the spiky hair aka ssj
Hey MasakoX! I'm Senior48. Since you already fix Super Saiyan Blue, I have an idea to fix Super Saiyan 3. I would change from a form that Goku claim to be his discovery with no real evidence to a form that had a purpose to exist. For Example: Goku is in the Final Round of some Tournament. (Not the "Goku vs Pikkon" one) and He's about to fight his last Opponent. His Opponent was a calm person with selfless personality, completely opposite to Goku. That fight taught Goku something important. *Be Cautious.* When he's fighting, he can't let his ego cloud his mind. If he do that, He's gonna erase his Existence. He trained his Body, Mind and Power so much that he earn a new form. Super Saiyan 3. That form erase his ego and made him cautious while fighting. Now he will never risk everyone's life ever again..... Sorry for my bad English.
I really like this I would personally make Blue much more powerful, almost as powerful as UI. Due to it's insane power boost, it would slowly damage Goku and Vegeta's body because they wouldn't be strong enough to handle that level of power for too long. Because of this, they would mainly use Super Saiyan God and use Blue as a last resort or if they are being overpowered by the one their fighting. I would also make it to where they would be calm while in Blue, similar to UI and the Angels. This will help them focus more during a fight and make less mistakes.
I personally love it, i may be a little biast due to it being my favourite colour, but its actually quite well used in super come the u6 vs u7 tournament, the greater ki control required to use the form allowed him to use the kaioken again, always found it a shame he stopped using it seeing as that and the spirit bomb are kinda his only attacks that are exclusive to him(never actually see king kai use them) so i was so happy when this greatly coloured super saiyan form brought back such a great technique
If would’ve been cool if, whenever Goku and Vegeta were in blue and they got angry, instead of getting a boost in power they just got kicked out of blue and had to calm themselves down before they could transform again
Well yeah I'd also go with that throat chakra concept, since you explained it that's actually quite perfect, but I'd also make it a slight elemental power. Same with red. Red would be more fire based, his hair showing subtle signs of being literal flame but not appearing as such, symbolizing his new ability to weaponize his own body heat and make things hotter for the opponent if they are too close. Maybe even use his hands to pass microwaves into the opponent to fry them from the inside. Blue in turn would be the next step, electricity. His hair would subtly be like jagged crystal surging with EMP. And much like the thunderbolt he would move as quick as a flash even faster than normal. Pretty much just using the Instant Transmission without needing to concentrate, now it is an automated body function just like breathing or moving any of his fingers. His brain synapses and nervous system now do all the work allowing him to teleport fast enough to become a being almost like the Cheshire Cat, everywhere and nowhere. Also his body is a highly conductive living battery, using a weaponized static shock to make him dangerous for enemies to even touch him. And for the love of Pete, make the damn blue hair more appealing than that ugly looking cyan they went with. Also change the bloody name to something better like "Super Saiyan Titan".
Goku did not struggle to turn SSJB in the Broly movie. He was trying to go MUI, you see his hair flicker silver for a moment before he goes blue. After all, when Broly is overwhelming Goku, we see Vegeta go blue in seconds to join the battle.
America Eagle Or a red super saiyan with spiked hair. And then give the blue to Vegeta. Signifying attaining it on your own. Let people have different Aura colors. Not just copies.
America Eagle There's already too many colors to keep track of. Your argument makes no sense. Goku gets red and Vegeta gets blue. How is that more complicated than what it is now? If anything, it's less complicated.
@@nightwalker174 No. Each color is a different stage. It would be confusing if Goku and Vegeta each got a different color. What would you do for an ancor then? There are only so many colors. Also SSJ has this rule where the same stage looks the same for everybody. Its an unspoken rule but im glad its not broken.
I would switch SSJ4 with God and since Rage made Trunks go from Base Goku Black level to Super Saiyan Blue Vegito level puts it in the same tier as Blue
I don't know about anyone else, but the form should've been orange. If it's super saiyan god (red) with super saiyan (yellow), then logically it should mix into orange
Masako goku was obviously holding back against krillin and 17. Goku used the other transformations to gauge jiren's strength. I wouldn't change anything I like blue's introduction.
Tiger Shark Max i think at least the debut could have been better just a little. Maybe jumping to super saiyan god beforehand and whatnot. Had a slight dramatic flare.
