Surface Pro 8 vs $600 Slate 

Yes!

There's Lenovo Duet 5 as well with OLED panel. It's great to finally have some options for OLED tablet hybrid. I was thinking of getting Ipad Pro and these hybrid might just changed my mind.

Dear Dave, I really admire your work and love your videos, one thing that I wanna want from you is that could you please attach your wallpapers used in your videos, I really love these kind of minimilistic wallpaper, you won't believe but I still use your oneplus 7 pro and google pixel 5 (turquoise colour) wallpaper in my android. So could you please attach a link in your description box of the wallpapers you use in thumbnail (laptop and mobile).

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@Pink Panther The product is called Asus Vivobook, so Dave isn't wrong

@Pink Panther Vivobook is a lineup of asus laptops...

@Pink Panther lol what?

@Pink Panther Asus Vivo is one of the lines for Asus, like their entry to midrange stuff

For real. With this, their Zenbooks, Vivobook Pros and the Zephyrus series it seems like ASUS is going all out.

From personal experience watching on a Tab S7+, it's fantastic.

LG C1 OLED owner here.... FANOMINAL!!!!!

Under 2 second you commented. Hats off sir.

@@frost8426 I got the notification quick lol

Nah.. its got no keyboard backlight.. everyone *will* type in the dark at some point

Thank you for the very useful input, Eric!

It doesn't really seem like a good option. It isn't very fast and oled isn't so practical for a working device. There is alot of competition especially with previous Gen products. Also Asus sells a laptop based on this screen for $200 (or less) more that has AMD.

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It's optimum pride

I'm pretty sure thats the point of surface products. It's a niche product for people who need the most powerful tablet for productivity while having little or no compromise on portability for travel and stuff.

@@BortaMaga I understand that, but it's just way too over-priced. I feel like most of the people who need to do that already have an iPad or something, probably not the latest one, but sufficient enough.

Its till worth it when you compare it to ipad pro with that stupid ipados.

@@TheRMSAndre1 That one I can agree with. Buying the latest iPad is never worth it. But 2 generations behind is still pretty fucking solid compared to others tho.

@@virus2339 that's the thing, iPad is not sufficient for optimal productivity for some people. Apple had the opportunity to have it run mac apps since they run on ARM now (both ipad pro and mac use the same chip), but Apple is Apple. I do agree it is overpriced for an average user, but its cheaper alternatives including the Surface Go lineup leave too much to be desired.

informative ? Come on man , i dislike how dave does not mention the product name in the title or in the description. For this video he dropped it somewhere in the middle.

@@YOTHISISYO Yeah, there is some room for improvement in that regard, I'll agree. That's an annoying thing to do and I wish he put it in the description, title, or somewhere early in the video.

the problem with media consumption is that you cant separate it directly from other activities. me, im buying the devices for professional use (thinkpad, surface pro) and also use them for a couple of hours to watch a movies, some youtube videos etc. if im buying a dedicated consumption device i tend to buy a standard ipad or a tab s7 (10-11"). then once i have movies on them, because im also interested in chemistry, anatomy, genetics i put some courses on the consumption device. then suddenly the screen is too small to understand all those explanations (screen is ok for watching series like see etc but too small to follow a chemistry course with a lot of calculations and tables). then im back to my pro devices like thinkpad, surface pro i can use for watching series while i cook and also watch courses. besides doing programming on them.

Ipad lelo

Just saw on flipkart, it is not present on Flipkart. DO let me know if it comes up. Wanna buy it for my Sis.

ur dad reads taxes?

@@bubblegum7489 We already have an iPad 2018 model, but getting a wireless keyboard and mouse for it is pretty clunky. I would rather have the Magic keyboard but its not compatible with my model. Have no plans to get another iPad

@@KejriwalBhakt prolly won't release in India, I will call up a relative in US to get it anyway.

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What I'm really waiting for is a phone with the full windows experience. I feel like we're inching closer towards that and as someone who hates how locked down and simplistic they tend to me (albeit android is more open, but still limited), I'd love to have the freedom to do almost anything I could on a PC on my phone (without difficult workarounds) and vice versa (there are still a number of features limited to mobile phones). I also think it'd do a lot to shake up the market for phones. Add some more options and introduce a new mindset to buyers (like not needing a new model with minimal upgrades every year and expecting more from phone companies). With Microsoft introducing a way to bring android apps to windows and 2 in 1s being more affordable, having more options, and continuously getting lighter and smaller, I'm interested in the future of mobile devices as a whole.

Agreed! I think especially now that more and more are considering going digital/online, portability, convenience, and power are all important for many professionals. As an artist myself, I'm choosing to wait a little bit more before I splurge on a new device--the iPadPro lineup is always good, but it's too limiting. The power it has is so wasted, and competition like the Samsung S tablets and SP have begun to threaten its throne. I'm so excited for the future!

@@hurmaes THANK YOU!! iPadOS itself is too limited which holds back any M1 chip or A series chip.

Yes, you can, although you can't really adjust the angle while vertical

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It's either a laptop or a tablet. 2in1 seems shitty.

@@Sponsi_PL I agree in a sense but I use it as a laptop mostly but I do find the ability to fold the hinge a full 180° very useful at times if I will just be using the touch screen. Works for me as I don't have much use for a dedicated tablet.

@@Sponsi_PLhilarious! I guess you'll also have a problem with a photocopier that scans documents and prints too.🙄😒

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Thanks I kinda want to get one because I just need a cheap big screen tablet as I have a powerful desktop when I need power

That’s the problem with most reviewers. 90% of people don’t update every year. If you do buy new tech every year, lower end is fine, as most devices are released to work for at least one year. But flagship devices like this should work well for at least 3 years. Or more. In defence of the surface. I recently bought a second hand surface pro 2 for very cheap ($100). Just for curiosity. Still had the Wacom EMR stylus which is tech they update very rarely as it’s just that good. I was surprised how good it runs. I can still run clip studio ex and sketchbook pro and the battery on the go lasts an easy 3 hours. Which for a product that came out in 2012 is amazing. So I’m actually considering getting the new 8, as they have improved the pen now, as the replacement on the surface pro 3 was trash. And I’m pretty confident performance and design will be pretty stable for a few years.

It’s a valid point to consider. I bought a Surface Pro 6 which has a better cpu than this Asus one. Normally it’s more than enough for me, but when I’m running a lesson on Zoom, recording the lesson on my computer, annotating large pdf documents, screen sharing that content, and keeping multiple Google docs/sheets tabs open while wirelessly Miracasting to my classroom TV… even the Pro 6 starts chugging at times. This Asus looks like it would have no hope of keeping up. And I originally never thought I would do something as demanding on my device as this when I originally bought it. Now I’m regretting not splurging for the i7 model with more RAM.

yeah, let me just see into the future so that I know exactly what to do before I do it

Mine died in a year, BSOD. Surface Pro 6

im still running surface pro (sp) 4 since 2017 and sp 6 since 2019. sp 6 is with i7, 16gb ram, 512gb ssd. and i was using the devices to prepare myself on the way to office and back (while commuting). so i used those devices a lot outside and inside, as long as i have a roof over my head (only if its raining, roof yes but no lateral walls like in trainstations waiting on the platform for the train).

Depending on what you do

@@chltmdwp of course, but I will say, surfaces are overpriced n not worth it.

Me too, been a surface pro customer for years. Not anymore, they are overpriced and not good value for money8th

@@Thehackerguy2000 extra money you’re paying for are R&D, 120hz display and new display size.

I agree. Surfaces just get hot AF and note taking in one note is a disaster.

And the screen resolution, 1920x1080 is a deal breaker. I really don’t know why Dave always glosses over this like it’s no big deal

The screen resolution and aspect ratio tell you who this is targeted for: your average consumer who isn't doing much productive work and will complain about "muh black bars" when consuming content on this device. Also 1080p is still fine even in the age of 8k120

@@mhammadalloush5104 I can see separate pixels on a 12" 1080p laptop screen.

The problem is the 60 hz OLED; compared to a 120 hz IPS, you may not notice it at first, but once you go back to a 60 hz screen, you WILL notice it. Not to mention Dave goes back on his PWM experience in it (he literally said in 2019 that he didn't personally use OLED screens because he was sensitive to PWM, which is hypocritical for him to do this review because it introduces bias into the review). Honestly, I haven't been liking a lot of his recent reviews this year, but while he says the Pro 8 is more expensive, you got a poor product at the base price last year with the Pro 7, the Pro 8 has more storage and RAM for just $300 more than last years base price, which had an i3 with 128 GB storage (wasn't possible to upgrade it then) and 4 GB of RAM, which is awful nowadays and even back then. This review was another miss from him, but it was better than his recent Lenovo product reviews, which honestly were one of his worst reviews he's ever done.

@@cameronbosch1213 i don't have any 120hz screen and see no need to get one. Especially when you say that 60 looks bad in comparison afterwards. I'll just never use one then and be fine xD

I want a Surface Laptop but the price is crazy.

The Optimus Prime intro is wonderful. I think it is brand new, right? I haven’t seen that in previous videos.

@@user-nd4ip1xv5m Yeah I think he made it after his Optimus Prime Model unboxing video.

The price is nuts, at that price you can get a much faster M1 MacBook Air and get the 512gb model

@@bryanmiller476 it also comes with macos 🤢

@@wishub - it also comes with macOS! 👍🏼

@@bryanmiller476 the macbook is not a 2-in-1 device. That comparison is dumb

@@MegaLasslo being a 2 in 1 doesn’t magically make it worth 50% more money lol

That's the thing, they want you to buy both their MacBook m1 and their iPad m1

@@Natsukashii1111 Yea its smart from a business perspective, but it fucking sucks

@@tanaykapadia2301 arguably its not. I have neither the time nor care to do the research or run the numbers (thus arguably) but they could potentially boost sales and improve their image by allowing the iPad lines to run macOS or a hybrid of iPadOS and MacOS or just straight up both and allow you to switch between them (I HATE apple and would dip over a thousand for that because that's my dream product (one that lets me seamlessly make the best of mobile and desktop devices)). They could also REALLY shake up the market by throwing such a product on the line. The problem with apple is that they're complacent (not nearly as much so as Microsoft in the past though) and fail to make the most of their properties or capitalize on their products. A lot of their decisions that seemingly benefit the business are most likely going to bite them in the long run or sacrifice potential growth (not switching to USB-C on their phones for example). Again, I haven't done the research or run the numbers, but I find it hard to believe devasting the market with that god tier product wouldn't be better for business (and because its apple, everyone would know about it instantly and flock to it way more than Microsoft and their surface line).

@@vullord666 Apple has done their research and probably feel that getting macOS to work with touch would be as disastrous as when MS did it with W8. They understand that if they did it well it would still probably lead to compromises and issues so they are going the other route of getting the best tablet and best laptop. You can get a MB Air and iPad Air for a similar price to the base SP8 and having tried a SP6/7 and compared to having a MB Air/iPad Pro combo, I much prefer the latter. Even MS has thrown in the towel, by now running Android apps to fill the void of missing tablet apps. I am sure if MS could do it all over again, they would have bought Android when they had the chance and gone the Apple route with a dedicated mobileOS and make them work well together. If you think Apple would ever make the bad mistake MS made then you are living in cloud cuckoo land. Apple got this right and history has stamped that as a massive win as Surface Pro sales fall and iPad revenue increased 68% last year!

@@tanaykapadia2301 Is it? Because I would probably buy one if they did that, but instead I'm not buying the Ipad or the Mac

But then why a business person goes for 2in1, jack of all trades and master of none

@@shre6619 Well 2 in 1's are certainly better than laptops and computers for illustrations, unless you have a separate device specifically for it,

You are right

@@shre6619 I have the Surface Pro 7 and it's a delight to travel around with. I open it up and it has the power I need. the option to use it as a tablet, in my case 10% of the actual usage, is just a plus, an extra. However! Right now with the M1 PRO MAX (or whatever it's called) in the new Macs... I'm reconsidering strongly what my next machine will be

@@shre6619 as another business man, i don't see the use of a surface in my line of work. We'll be connecting it to a monitor in the office, and on the go we need a real keyboard. That's why lenovo's are still the business standard.

But... the previous gen keyboards are not compatible Dave said. So, still e-waste.

@@rpheuts that was for the pro x not the pro 7

@@rpheuts it had a good 6 year run though.

That's exactly what I thought, the Surface pendant would be the Go and not the Pro - performance wise. The screen is great, but for me the performance is just too low.

The Surface Go is only 10.5 inches and clearly too small for many workflows or usage. They are def not the same and this was the right comparison. For many users with a workload not needing the power, the ASUS is a much better choice and hopefully will save many people wasted money upgrading to the SP8, which is overpriced and extremely poor value. This is the first of many much cheaper "slate" devices coming due to cheap OLED displays now being widely available so it will make the Surface Pro struggle to sell in the consumer and education market as we see much better value alternatives.

@@andyH_England Yeah. I said the Go is smaller and the Slate is bigger in my third sentence. I have a Go and I have it plugged up with a projector and a mouse and keyboard writing this comment. I can tell you, the struggles lie within the performance and not the size of the device. I think the SP8 is priced about 200$ too high. It's the same price as the big iPad Pro and that is what MS is seeing as the main competitor for the SP8. So I get where they are coming from with the price. I wouldn't say it's "extremly poor" value (that would be the Surface Lapotop Studio) as it still is a great device but it surely is not "good" value atm. But they'll get cheaper as they always do. And for the size differences to the Go... I made the calculations because I was curious (3:2 vs. 16:9). You'll loose 1,6cm or 0.7 inches in display size height. And a lot more in width. That is no world changing difference. Especially for office work and browsing. But if you mostly want to consume media there is no choice here. Asus Slate it is. Although one could still argue about how much a windows tablet is good for consuming media. I really hope you are right with 'many much cheaper slate devices with oled coming' because I'd love to replace my Go with an OLED device THAT IS MORE POWERFULL. :P

I dont like Microsoft as well but have to admit they did launch some great products and Surface Pro is one of them

not to mentions theres a 16gb model unlike the Asus and the lower end asus is chrome os. I'll happily pay the extra for the surface

Check jarrod's tech, he did a tier list for around 32 laptops

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@@jovaughnbennett6349 I trust DAVE MOSTLY

@@Ash_1277 yeah I know just sent you this since you would be for a long while until he posts his take for 2021

Releases in December in video description

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