"Survivor mistakes don't matter." | Dead by Daylight 

Second game was like Otz: "Alright , this is the mistake that they made in this game." Me: "Duh , she gave a free hit." "No , Adam let me see 4 pixels between two rocks of him self healing" "Ah yes , that."

The greatest mistake you can make as DBD player is not reading Otz's FAQ

Killer mistakes seem much more taxing than survivor mistakes, but survivor mistakes can easily snowball into a major problem.

“Try to see the mistake right before it happens” *plays Micheal*

16:00 Otz: "I'm sure they will be good sport!" Survivor: "No."

I didnt even realise Meg was in the locker until you pointed it out and I had thought that their mistake was simply deciding to not split up. Haha

Otz as killer: makes insane split-second decisions with his incredible deductive reasoning. Me as killer: 🥔

I didn't even know this was actually something people believed. I can't tell you how many mistakes survivors have made in my games that legit result the entire team getting shafted.

They fed a myers, grouped up once he was fed, stuck around after friends were downed, and you got two hooks. Also a gen still popped even during all this. Literally horrible brain dead mistakes and they still couldve came back.

23:37 “You’re just a tunneller” I forgot that capitalizing on errors makes people a toxic player

I remember a nemmy game where I saw a Jake self-caring right after being unhooked and I thought bro easy win. So I tunneled the man and went for the pickup but then he DS'd me. I was so confused I watched the clip over and over thinking how the hell did he DS me. That's when it finally clicked, he wasn't self-caring, he was vaccinating. That DS misplay cost me the game, I know a little more about the game everyday.

For the Artist game: AT LEAST two gens were almost done, based on the sounds, making Otz at the equivalent of two gens when the Adam dies. If you're playing to win you can't not tunnel when given the chance. I don't like tunneling as the DEFAULT thing Killer do, but when given such a huge opening that the Adam gave yes, I'd go for that tunnel as well. But I probably wouldn't have noticed him healing himself at that time so I'd not have tunneled him because of D.S.. Thanks for the video Otz.

I think the Meg in locker was even easier than looking for scratch marks; the Feng is staring at the locker knowing a killer is behind her, kind of like she just watched someone get in.

Otz: "Watch the survivors lose on just this one mistake" Also Otz: "Watch this meg make the 325636th mistake this game" Not to mention the clue was so subtle it'd take someone capable of landing a reverse chainsaw on a quentin hiding in a corner to be able to figure it out on the fly.

Individually, each surviver mistake does not matter as much as a killer mistake. But if multiple survivers make mistakes too close together the game can end immediately.

On that first game, the first mistake that happened was The obssession let you feed your Tier 1 and Almost 90% your tier 2, but yeah, shortly after that it was pretty bad

I think the main thing is: when a survivor makes a mistake, its up to the killer to correctly react and capitalize on it. If they can, that is.

My biggest mistake was getting into this game

6:57 I love how he celebrates while he explains

So I am at 1:03 of the vid and I already know what the critical mistakes were: Getting into a game against Otzdarva

worst survivor mistake is to become a solo player

I think the first game showed that the survivors can make a huge mistake and still recover with one unbreakable. They ended up finishing 4 gens still

See as much as I understand your point and even agree with the sentiment, in the first game all the survivors did was repeatedly make the same mistakes over and over, and they still managed to almost finish all the gens. However, if you made 1 mistake and didn’t read that Meg hid in the locker, you would’ve gotten stunned, everyone would’ve ran off without getting hit, and you would’ve had none of the beginning pressure you had. That is what the difference is in my opinion. It’s not that Survivors can make mistakes without repercussions, it’s that Survivors have to make 12 mistakes to equal a Killer’s 1 mistake (to put it dramatically).

When you paused and explained those 2 seconds for a minute it really was like a detective show.

1st game: Me: Yeah, I see normal game Otzdarva: So If you remember that 0.0000001s of gameplay which was 10 years ago she had quick&quiet and 3 survivors were going into garage and 1 is missing, so calculating mass of sun multiplying by density of survivors and dividing by density of air in garage it means meg is in locker because she's taking to big breath of air into lungs.

I want an analysis like this of how he did the reverse chainsaw into the quentin hiding in the corner.

3:18-4:35 Dropping a like for that Kyoko Kirigiri level of deduction right there. Holy shit that blew my mind.

2:38 Meg carelessly threw a good pallet and fed the myers, and proceeded to chase him and give him 2 pwyf stacks

Big mistake in the first game was also the fact that Meg took way too long to catch on to the fact that you had PWYF. She kept taking unnecessary chases and playing aggressive which gave you a ton of stacks

That first video is absolutely not just *one* mistake. It was a myriad of mistakes in a single moment. First and foremost they were out in the open against a Myers with tier 3 at the ready. Given how long the match had been this should be obvious. If they camped the initial pallet or just went for a stun right away they could have scattered. Secondly is the obvious Meg in the locker giving 2 free downs instead of 1. Third is the claud not running as soon as the first down occured, she stayed for whatever greedy reason instead of running across the map. This led to yet another free down. This isn't even taking into account that they're still at 4 gens after 4 minutes which is a mistake in itself and shows they aren't doing their objective while not being chased. I appreciate that the "survivors can make 50 mistakes and not be punished" rhetoric is a bit overdone but it is not completely without truth. Here these survivors made a lot of mistakes in one go, however if Claud had simply ran away from the start it could all have been very easily recovered and the pressure overcome.

This is a good video displaying how 3 survivor mistakes happening at once is equal to one killer mistake

Had a game yesterday where the survivors were clearly better than me. They were outlooping me, taking hits for eachother and still doing gens efficiently. But because they were clearly a swf, i knew they would try to unhook almost immediately. It was also really obvious when they would try to go for flashlightsaves, palletsaves, ds, etc. and because they were predictable, i could still easily 4k, even though they were obviously better than me. A lot of people forget that this game is really snowbally for both sides. If you get some early hooks, 4ks aren't that rare, and if you loop a killer for 1 min straight, at least 2 survivors will likely escape.

I downed a survivor in shack with basement, i was going to hook them on a near scourge hook, but felix decided to sabo it, so i hooked her in the basement. This lead to her and dwight dying, then felix and claud. Only 2 gens got done and i got a 4k, all because they tried to stop me from getting my first hook

This game is a butterfly effect, if your mouse is 1 cm of target it can cost you the match, but if you hit it it can win you the match, mistakes are incredibly punishing for both sides and if you say that they don't matter, you're making more mistakes than the other side

I think killer mistakes are much more severe initially, but survivor mistakes have a potential to get exponentially worse if multiple major mistakes in a row are made

It's even more frustrating nowadays because I win 2 matches against baby survivors and the game is like "throw fucking ayrun on the other team"

Glad you shouted out the deaf community, I’m fully deaf in both ears but I have cochlear implants but I still have some difficulty hearing in the game, thanks OTZ❤️

That flawless managing of information in the first game is insane, Otz. That hard read on the Head On was just so *Chef's kiss* I'll be straight I didn't even catch that Meg had QnQ the first time she used it. Otz got that superhuman awareness.

New players make one mistake in this game: *Entity Displeased/Sacrificed* Old Players: *I’m just getting started.*

The first game the survivors fucked up so badly that I'm surprised they didn't dc on the spot, and even then, they still did 4 gens. The second one was an even bigger joke, they just kept giving you free hits and hooks. The mistake wasn't the Adam healing, Adam himself was the mistake, he played so bad the entire game, from the first chase to that point

Hmmm about that first game, a single perk, unbreakable, literally put back the entire team into the game, after that they just made the massive mistake of not being efficient on gens, so it’s not that one first mistake at the start, I still think that killers do not have the possibility to make mistakes against actual good players.

I really like when Otz does the analysis videos. They really help me see where I can better my own awareness.

I'm loving the notes at the bottom of the screen, thank you otz for this great video!

As a killer any mistakes you make are usually way worse than a survivor making one, say you miss read a dead hard and it extends a chase for another minute or two that's one more gen But say a survivor makes a mistake especially early on its not as huge because they have 3 other people to pick up the slack, but if multiple survivors make a mistake near the end it can really flip a game around and give killers a huge advantage so it really just depends on the stage of the game and how many people are injured

The first match i did notice a survivor was missing on that time, and probably on that locker, i do pay a lot of attention for missing survivors on tiles and get a lot of free locker grabs that way, but i didnt remember quick and quiet previously, nor did i anticipate a head on. But the second match i was seeing it live, and i remember noticing it right away, because i'm always looking for opportunities to avoid a DS. In general those mistakes were pretty critical, and did allow some snowball and pressure to happen, but the smaller mistakes that could easily lead to snowballs when added up can be turned around by a single perk. Example: 2 hooked survivors close to each other, you catch the third survivor trying to unhook and decide to slug because you just saw 4th survivor trying to get sneaky while you hook 3rd, so you go after 4 and get taken to a strong-ish tile. You win a mind game, and getting a down or not wont really matter, because survivor 3 picked himself up with unbreakable and unhooked both, one pops instaheal, and the other 2 run away. Suddenly your victory became just pressure because unbreakable allowed it to happen. Conclusion: Everything is situational, but having a fully controlled match get out of your grasp by a single perk out of 16 doesn't feel fair at all.

Bro the jake in that first game was just happy doing his own thing lol

Otz - "Survivors mistakes can cost them the game" Survivors - *Committing dozen of game-ending mistakes and game still lasting a long time so they can make even more game-ending mistakes as well as finishing 4 gens*

Nice picking up on that quick and quiet! And spotting the healing Adam too!

My take is that the survivors mistakes solely depends on the killer, the map, and their teammates, or perks in play. If a survivor messes up and loses a chase early but the survivors are able to pump gens out at the same time, that mistake is negated. You could also miss a swing, and have that chase extended by 30 seconds. The difference is that the killer can’t really negate their mistakes unless they have the perks or is using a certain killer.

The first game literally disproves your point, the survivors made a bunch of mistakes and still got 4 gens done, that just goes to show that survivors can make as many mistakes as they want and due to second-chance perks they can just recover from them immediately

Dude that first game they made like 50 mistakes one after another. They absolutely could have come back from that failed headon but not from feeding you stacks, vaulting into you, etc. They did SO much for you.

This video really shows how much more I have to learn about playing killer, Otzdarva really is a great help in this community

A big issue with DbD is the logic behind perk design. Many of the strongest Survivor perks allow them to recover from a chase/game ending mistake, whereas many of the strongest Killer perks are contingent on them already playing well (win-more perks) or entirely RNG based.

Really Otz.... "this survivors lost because they made just 1 mistake." Cut to meg give free tier 3 for nothing. There are countless survivor mistakes in this video.

Just remember that because a killer is one of the weakest, it doesn't necessarily mean he's weak. Love me some Myers gameplay.

otz i swear ur analysis on the game makes u one of the best do ever play it. i wouldn’t have noticed this while i was playin that the meg went in the locker cheers friend

survivors mistakes matter but they have to mess up big time...

I mean the math is theoretically simple. Each survivor is 1/4th of your team. Each killer is 1/1 of their team. Each mistake is a 100% mistake for a killer, while each survivor mistake is really a division of 4. This means that a good squad of three will only be 75% effective with a sandbag teammate, while a solid killer will get the full 100%. A sandbag killer is a 100% decrease. So survs can be let down by awful teammates in the long term, but typically don't fail due to a single mistake. Where as a single mistake on killer can lead to a pretty nasty snowball in certain situations. For example, I was blight the other day and technically winning my game. Downed a girl next to a locker and picked her up. My character literally slid animated to open the locker instead of picking her up. I freaked out and took her to the scourge hook right next to us, and during the animation of hooking her both gens I was pressuring popped. I didn't get any scourge value. HUGEEEEE mistake on my part. I went from a winning 3/2 gen situation to a 1 gen situation. All because of a friggin crap locker animation. She wasn't even in front of it! I hated myself and I know I would have stopped the scourged gen if I had gotten that 15% reduction. Such a small thing yet such a big deal. Another small mistake. I was legit behind someone getting a hook save. I smacked and could have sworn that I hit them. As I was following I realized they weren't injured. How? Apparently DBD logic said I hit the unhooked body instead. LOL this lead to them getting to a very safe location and yeah. Huge misplay. And I wasn't even looking at the body either which is the worst part. But instead of getting a hook trade I wind up in a stupid chase that I shouldn't have been in at all. One mistake cascaded real hard. I've made survivor mistakes. Missed dead hards all kinds of bad plays. But I never felt like the game's momentum truly shifted as a result, except in the cases of a face camping bubba. Then yeah I guess those ones really suck because you're just dead.

My favorite Otz game where a survivor made a single mistake that ended the game was a plague game on the winter map. A surv cleansed in the center of the map, immediately reinfected themselves on a gen, then within 20 seconds the entire team was down because of the red puke.

I wouldn't say "it doesn't matter", but damn it is way less severe than a Killer mistake.

Absolutely agree with this. I can't count how many times I've been down to one gen as killer and a single mistake threw the match into my favor, leading to a 3 or 4k. Never give up, even when the doors are open!

Hey otz hope u hade a good week and i hope ur next one is going to be even better just wanted to say thx couze watching ur killer videos made a way better killer as befor of course its also the play time and epirience that made me good but i learned all the tricks from u so yh thank u and have a nice day

Hey Otz love the videos man always waiting for that notification

While I understand the point of the video, and it provides some great examples, a more accurate statement would be "Survivor mistakes don't matter -as much-." Big mistakes can definitely change the momentum of the game, but survivors have a lot of tools to correct their mistakes, and unless the game is pretty much over, other teammates to cover for their mistakes. Unfortunately, as killer all of your mistakes matter. If you make an error, there's no way to cover for it, and you have to hope that you can make up for it later in the match, or that a survivor will slip up somewhere.

Thank you for uploading. It was a bad day, but seeing a 25min video made my day. Sometimes it is the small things in life that really matter.

Damn, you are one smart guy. I'll be sure to keep these in mind when I play survivor!

That Meg going for head ons and not knowing how long it takes saved many of your stacks of PWYF.

How can someone think about so many things in a 5 second time! You are impressive Otz , i could never!

Otz’s little celebration here was so cute lol 6:59

I would have never realized that mistake jesus lmao. Good shit OTz

Otz: Do they appreciate it? COIE: No

4:15 I can pick up what’s happening here, thing is I needed to rewind a few times, but the fact that you can actively process this AS your playing in real time is absolutely astonishing.

Idk why it was so funny to me when Otz said “this is Adam” and it’s just a rock lmao

You're always quite entertaining Otz!

There were plenty of mistakes along the game, it wasn't one that doomed them all. I would even say that the first mistake wasn't even a mistake, just a good play by otz

I love how the first game had just some Jake that was vibing the entire time

Survivors with balance landing: ... Survivors without balance landing: Weeeeeeeeeeee

Otz is a legend killer, very entertaining to watch

Please do more videos like this Otz!

Meg also fed Mike, I swear survivors who swear they are god tier and end up getting the whole team screwed

At high mmr the game is controlled by good survivors, and for most killers to win the survivors must make mistakes. This goes doubly so for killers with no anti-loop capabilities.

I absolutely love Play With Your Food. It's particularly good on Plague and also Pinhead whose specials do not cost tokens on hit.

Survivor mistakes pretty much made my unwinnable pinhead games to easy 4Ks, like making the oblivious survivor solving the box, or not solving the box at all. I'd say it's pretty even when it comes to killer mistakes and survivor mistakes (the game is already favored to the survivors in the first place anyways)

First clip. Unbreakable turned 3 hooks into 1 mitigating 66.6% of the damage caused by 2 huge mistakes.

As you could see the survivors in both games made a critical mistake of playing against Otz

The way Otz say unfortunate. Always fun.

The greatest mistake we made that we thought Otz cared about killer mains. He keeps saying game is balanced.

4:16 wow... otz is really, really smart

Yeah before the video even starts, I don't know where anyone gets the idea survivor mistakes don't matter, almost every single game I won I can pinpoint the exact mistakes that lead up to my victory and those aren't just "this survivor went down". Although I agree that survivor mistakes are, simply by nature of the asymmetrical game play style and because of dead hard, far less impactful, they matter a ton, especially egregious ones.

Survivors can make a lot of mistakes but the mistakes you showed are crucial mistakes where they messed up so bad that it’s impossible to comeback

First mistake identified, the survivors queued up with Otz

I feel like the first video undermines its own point. The Meg made a series of disastrous mistakes (fed you Tier 3, gave two stacks of PWYF, failed head-on-play) and the team made a big mistake by grouping up together against Myers, yet they got out of a GG-class situation with only two hooks thanks to the Unbreakable play. If they were a good team that just happened to goof up instead of a bunch of Megs, that mistake could easily have been overcome.

17:40 Otz looked down to avoid the flashlight save in real life too

So a game I had that kind of proved this point for me, I was playing Nemesis and getting stomped, my Hexes were cleansed, they had boon totems, genrushing me to all hell but I had a Leon injured and managed to down him away from the gates on Ormond. team comes over and I grab the first girl off of a save from Leon, hit the second 2 times while she's saving, hooked her, chased the Leon, got a down, and managed to finish with a 3k last survivor gone at gate.

i think otz is correct about killer mistakes, 1 killer mistake really does not matter in the long run. its just when that mistake is made. if it was early game where most killers have no gen pressure then that would be more severe then if 1 guy was dead and like 2 gens left. obviously there is corrupt to give killers a bit of time in the early game but it still does feel very taxing to swing at a window that survivors arent at or get 360'ed, something like that.

Survivor mistakes are maybe harder to capitalize on, because you have to pay very close attention to 4 people rather than 4 people watching 1 person.

Survivor mistakes really do matter alot, was having this perfect game as survirvor against a hag, everybody was doing gens or taking protection making others wiggle off, we spawned next to a hex, my tenacity made it so i only got hooked after 4 times being downed, however due to a david getting a bit cocky going on death hook and the entire team taking hits to save him when there was 1 gen left made a really big snowball into us being weakened and picked off after a while due to us being injured and having her traps really spread out

this genuinely blew my mind i would never be this smart

The game made me make one mistake by triggering a locker instead of a window vault out of shack after a basement save and that ONE mistake got everyone killed. Because that was the one locker where Meg was hiding, the other person I rescued was healing outside, and the last person didn't stand a chance. One mistake really can screw up an entire game for either side, not just killer.

The most crucial survivor mistake : Never cleansing my devour hope