@@clozedcaskets1438 the problem on Subaru is the CVT gearbox! It seriously limits it's awd capabilities it's not a strong enough gearbox for such applications
As a long term Toyota owner, I think we all know Subaru's AWD system is better than Toyotas. But that's not why we buy Toyotas. We buy them because you can put 400-600k km on one and it will still run like new. Besides, crossovers aren't meant to be serious off-road vehicles -- they're meant to get you to your campsite and handle on-road snow, which they both do just fine. So let's not pretend anyone is taking either of these cars on the Rubicon trail.
@@Campers5 simmer down mate, “better” is subjective to the individual. Besides that, if you, in all your impressive wisdom, side with the data, Toyota has far more models on the road with high km and fewer repairs. At that point it becomes about how often you’d like your chariot to be repaired innit?
Totally agree but you forgot to mention that Toyota is a lot more expensive to buy used, so you can pay less for a less durable car, or more on a very durable one.... it kinda evens out... and even talking about new cars, here in japan the forester is a lot cheaper than a new Hybrid Rav
My 2011 outback has passed giant lifted trucks that were stuck in a foot deep of loose sand ruts. I always loved the reactions I'd get back then bc Subarus weren't as popular. Lol😊
can confirm, i wear birks and am buying a Rav4 hybrid im too tall (6ft5) for a Rav4 (2019+).. Lexus RX450 hybrid (2017+) it is boys! (2.2 inches more headroom)
😂😂 True, but the Subaru is pretty capable. Last month I was camped in Northern Montana. Had three days of rain. 4wd pickups and ATVs were stuck in the "gumbo". I swear, the only thing driving around was a Subaru Cross Trek.
u should watch the whole video and there were many other suv too. haval outlander and forester did the best out of all rest suv. and was tested by one driver
Nothing beats Subaru’s symmetrical all wheel drive. I just got a crosstrek, took it to the top of Burroughs mountain and granted it’s not a hard core jeep trail but it’s still pretty rough and the Subaru just didn’t care. Was completely comfortable climbing and going over rocks and roads with deep ruts, just had to pick my line and the car does the rest.
@@OceanVibartions yup, just pick the line that avoids bottoming out (it’s almost 9” clearance but that’s not a lot on some roads) and it does really well. The X-modes make it really easy, especially going down hill you don’t even need to touch the brakes, it keeps it at a nice slow speed for the angle of the descent.
I watched the original video months ago. If I recall correctly, the RAV4 actually completed all of the tasks about as well as the Forrester. I think they just had to changed a terrain setting on the RAV4.
The Hybrid AWD RAV4 has an extremely long waiting period and its price keeps rising, almost $10,000 higher than the Forester. How many years do I need to drive a hybrid to save this $10,000 in fuel costs?
Fun fact: RAV4 was build under D-Segment platform, while Forester was under C-Segment platform. From the chassis itself, Forester already killed many upper class Crossovers than itself.
This is a piss-poor test since they're using a hybrid RAV4 the regular RAV4 is actually really solid and if you get a TRD off-road model that steps up the game by allowing more wheel lock up with electronic clutches in the rear but Subaru's all-wheel-drive system is not a full lockup either uses a fluid-filled clutch type deal and I'm pretty sure all those Subarus are CVT transmissions which are absolute crap off road at least when you go with the standard RAV4 you get a regular eight-speed Auto with a torque converter in general Superior off-roader
You can see the FWD bias during the log climb which makes it extremely difficult for the front tires to grip. I can see how Suburu has been always using a better AWD system than the RAV4. This RAV4 is definitely an improvement over the last generation with more electronic off road features but it is very heavily reliant on the brakes to transfer torque from a slipping wheel to wheel with traction.
For anyone who wants the truth about the systems and how they perform, go watch Driving Sports TV. He rigorously tests both these vehicles as well as the Outback. In the end, both Subarus do have a better AWD system stock from the factory than the RAV4, but the RAV4 is still a good system. Suburu has been AWD in almost all its vehicles since the early 90’s; they’re better at it. Also the tires in these cars off the lot are very similar, so weak argument there.
Toyota is respectable in its ability to get you to and from somewhere and it does so reliably. A Subaru is also just as reliable, but Subaru can do just about everything a Toyota can’t, it handles snows, rough rugged terrain, ice, and honestly a lot of other things.
They compared the Forester to the weakest RAV4 Edge 😂 The clever rear diff, traction programs and even downhill descent mitigation are all limited to the gas powered Edge. The hybrid doesn't have these features. BTW, why not compare the Subaru to the TRD RAV4?
Oh come on… at least use the non-hybrid Edge for this comparison… I’m sure the outcome might still be in Foresters favour but at least the RAV4 will have a mechanical AWD
The rav4 was in 2 wheel for half of this and the driver was incompetent. There is a reason toyotas are seen in offroad communities and foresters are seen at grocery stores.
Body on frame Toyotas belong off-road but rav4 should never leave the pavement! Most Subarus are beasts off-road for what they are and they have the best AWD system on or off the pavement. Also most Subarus have 8.7in of ground clearance stock and with a 2in lift and some bigger tires will have 12in of ground clearance which is more that a lot of Jeeps. Unfortunately Subarus don’t have a low gear so they can’t really do a lot of rock crawling.
Nonsense! In the Northern Rockies Subarus are seen everywhere. The reason the Toyota was in 2wd "half the time" is because IT IS two wheel drive. Ravs are slip and grip cars. The rear wheels only kick in AFTER the front wheels slip. Subarus are full time AWD. All four wheels get power all the time. Big difference!
I know for a fact the RAV4 trd off road trim with better off road tires would smash this test as for the Subaru it’s needs better tires as well and this test would’ve been right on the money for these two.
Won’t matter rofl for all we know it’s the same driver. I saw some people say this or that about a bunch of things, but the one that sticks out is people thinking they stopped using the gas on the Subaru when it was really the robots telling the computer to adjust where the power was going for better traction&what not. RAV4 doesn’t have a true AWD like Subaru, that’s the plain fact of it.
Whoever drove the Rav 4 has never off roaded. If it’s the same person, they were asleep at the wheel. You don’t sit and do burn outs in ditches and bumps or logs, you bump and run everything
Subaru is literally in good partnership with toyota. Also Subaru, for years, has destroyed every car manufacturer for a vehicles capabilites straight from factory.
Why'd the Forester get AWD and the Rav 4 only front wheel drive also both had wrong tires and the Rav 4 was straight sending it while the Forester knew to stop once it lost traction
@@CarExpertAusWould be great if you guys could do a similar test with Toyota Corolla Cross and Crosstrek class of vehicles. The door flex test on its competitors would be pretty interesting.
When I was comparing SUV's such as Toyota RAV 4 , Honda, Kia, & Nissan, in AWD system, price, options, Subaru came out on top. I'm now the proud owner of a 2024 Subaru Crosstrek Wilderness, All I can say is wow! Exceeded all expectations, and I'm loving it !!!!!
This is not an apple to apple comparison. They are using a hybrid rav4 for some reason. In those, the rear axle is driven by a quite weak electric motor and has no connection to the front. It’s good for slippery conditions but utterly abject at any kind of off-roading.
I suppose if I'm climbing logs and driving over offset moguls, the Forester is great, but in the real world, I would have something with an engine that'll go half a million miles before it's toast. I'll take the Toyota, thanks.
Subarus with proper maintenance do real well as well. That’s why Subaru has gotten a better reliability over the years despite people jumping on the bandwagon of hating stuff because others do. Subaru has a better percentage of vehicles on the road still than Toyota or Honda
@@halvorson566 I'm not on the bandwagon of hating things because others do. I'm on the bandwagon of blown Subaru head gaskets are a ridiculously common and seriously expensive inconvenience. Don't get me wrong. Once upon a time, Subaru had reliable engines. I had a 1987 GL10 wagon that went 477k miles before the midline engine gasket let go. That's why I bought another Subaru. And when the head gasket blew at 90k miles, I found out that was pretty much a universal problem. And that's when I walked away from the brand.
That’s not a fair comparison, try the TRD RAV4. It would be closer to the Subaru. Subaru does have a superior AWD. I personally own a RAV4 hybrid and wouldn’t consider putting it through these kind of conditions.
@@matan6737 lol no shit, of course a 4 runner would be better, and a full size Bronco would be better obviously. I’m just saying I had a Ford Bronco Sport badlands… and I did Moab’s Hells Revenge Hells gate obstacle. Go do a RU-vid search for “Bronco Sport and Hells Gate Moab”
I’m a die hard subie bro but clearly the difference here is in driving technique. The Rav 4 just went straight but any dirt rider knows to hit the angles.
Nonsense!!! This is the hybrid version with a very weak rear electric motor you can see all the torque in the front toasting the tires! The real RAV4 traditional awd Is very good like it or not
RAV4 has better fuel consumption and lower emissions, which is what most people are more concerned about. And in the UK we get a 5 year warranty, plus an extra 5 years if it’s serviced by Toyota, and the road tax costs half what the Forester costs each year!
Had a Forester. Great car, great awd system. But once the engine started playing up, nobody could fix it. 2 Subarudealers and 3 specialists could not make the engine running smooth again. Never a Subaru for me again.
I love the Toyota owners going right to reliability when they forget Subarus are well known for dependability too. Also there’s more space in the Forester, get wrecked!
Best car i had ever owned was a 2nd Gen Forester. 2.5 Turbo engine. The older Symmetrical AWD systems would make light work over the electrical AWD systems. Best car i will ever own. But certainly the worst for MPG. After the bigger turbo and remaps i was averaging about 15MPG 😅
I'd still take the toyota. Toyota will last longer for trips to the super market and it comes in two wheel drive. For any of this stuff, get a proper vehicle
Seriously, who the hell are really drives in these conditions ..like .5% of the population? These tests are a joke. And so are the Subaru commercials that show people driving through rocks/sand/mud. Let’s live in the real world.
Had a 19 adventure lifted and 35s. It was sweet looking and hung with Rubicons. We did quite impressive stuff with it. At 46k miles it could'nt handle the abuse so we had everything fixed under warranty and traded it in. It was my wifes and she got a new acura rdx as it fit her life better
well I think each vehicle has a purpose obviously they are not equipped to do those tasks in the video both brands are good to do those things in the video they need height and tires with more adherence as easy as that
