Funny these days as we have the Takumi Sen 8 and now Streakfly that are undoubtedly more cushioned than the Adios 1 I used for all my road races from mile to marathon up until 5 years ago or indeed any other "racing flat" of the time. Now we all tend to say we can't race much more than about 5K in shoes unless we have at least 40mm of stack :) Conversely we can't race 5K in a shoe that has too much stack. Reality is of course the "marathon" ones do just fine for any distance and these new 5K/10K racers well am still to see in my own testing that they are actually "better" even for those distances for me.
Totally agree Tim,the marketing BS of these companies certainly seems to have lured in the fanboys.....I like Kofuzis channel a lot but this comparison seems needless to me.
Agree. Have done 2h long run in Takumi and feels great and much more stable than Adios Pro 2. I am Considering it over the Adios Pro 2 for my marathon next week.
I ran the Zurich marathon in the takumi. Just short of 3h. As my foot was hurting from my previous long run in the adios pro 2. The takumi are a fantastic shoe for all paces and distances but won't waste them on easy runs. Hoka clifton for that
I just bought the TS8 on sale (100USD) and i'm going to race with them in my first half marathon 2 weeks from now and my first marathon in september. I was worried about how this TS8 "5k-10k" shoe will perform in this bigger distance events. Where i live here in latin america there's no so much variety in running shoes and if there is it's a bit expensive. So that's why i'm going to race with TS8. ill keep you updated guys!
@@hfurbano I have a narrow feet and the Takumi Sen 8 feels relatively narrow to me but perhaps a bit more in the toebox than some previous adidas shoes.
Thank you for your review. The Sen 8 is so flexible and smooth at higher paces that it may be the best road speed work shoe I’ve ever tried. The Pro 2 is a very solid choice for 15 Miles-plus but not nearly as fun as, say, the VaporFly or ASICS MetaSpeed Sky. If I had it to do over again, I would have sent back the Pro 2 and bought a second pair of the Sen 8s.
I recently bought the adios pro 2 over the Sen 8 because the adios pro 2 were on sale and I got them cheaper than the Sen 8. I like them. I ran a quick 5k for my level of running
The question I want answering is, Adidas are saying this is a 5/10k shoe while this is a half/full marathon shoe with no reference to pace or weight of runner. I can't believe either of these shoes are going feel/perform the same for a 200lb size 10 wearer against a 140lb runner in the same size 10.
Agreed with your thought This is kind of personal choices. For me, about 78kg 173cm , I would prefer Pro 2 for my Threshold training with better support and cushion. Thinking about to just use my Sen for recovery run or 8km base training but for that price, it would be a waste
It would be interesting to do a Adidas/ Nike challenge pairing the pro 2 with the Vaporfly and the T8 with the streakfly to see how the foams, plates and designs match up.
vaporfly sweeps the pro 2 any day. the TS8 and the streakfly even though marketed very similarly i feel like have different uses. i would take the TS8 for a race over the streakfly any day but for workouts the streakfly works amazing.
Just went out for a 10 mile Yasso 800 run at 10K pace in the Takumi’s. Very impressed with the performance and response even at slower recovery paces. The Takumi’s are very capable of running a half marathon and beyond for those that like a lower stack shoe for your racers.
So glad you made this video. I have the Takumi Sens coming via Runningwarehouse this week for the Gasparilla 8k next Sunday. I also got under 17 min in the 5k twice in the Pro 2s in the past few weeks. First time under 17 min in 8-9 years! I couldn't believe how great a shoe the Pro 2s are and even more excited about the Takumi Sen 8.
Brillant video ko! Loved the comparison and you going with your preference. Just did a trail half with the Boston 9s and it did brilliantly on the buffed dry trails. Would have been interesting to do this with the energy rods too 😁
Picked up a pair of the Takumi Sen 8 yesterday. Can you believe Running Warehouse already has them on clearance for only $139?! They’ve only been out for about 5 months. It’s such a deal, I couldn’t pass them up. These will be my 10K race day shoes In July.
great review 👏👏👏 but for the track I would not use neither the Takumi nor the Adios Pro2, too much foam for me, I prefer a lower stack height shoe like the RC3. For the Takumi I will try the 5k/10k/21k and then I will compare with the Adios pro 2 trainings I ran for the same distances
The shoes are two completely different use types as mentioned here. The adios pro 2 comes through in later miles at the marathon level. The takumi seems to be a little more of a shorter distance racer. Conversely I could not do 5ks in thae adios pro 2 because there is simply too much stack height and too much cushion. I use the adios 6 for that. Great review as always. 👍
Anyone else experiencing pains in midfoot when running in the Adios Pro 2? I am not sure if it's the midsole stack height or the energy rods but something is not right with that shoe!
Great comparison, as a suggestion, it would be nice for you to mention what pace you are talking about when you mention threshold pace, marathon pace, or even marathon pace (I know I can get the threshold pace used for this test from the second chapter). I know it doesn't 100% translate, but for many people their half-marathon pace is probably closer to your 5k pace, and having those numbers might help put it into perspective.
As some others have noted, shoes may behave differently for someone bigger/heavier. Obviously you can't change your body for reviews, but do you have another RU-vidr or shoe reviewer you'd recommend for that 6' / 200lbs range runner? I like getting multiple perspectives, but everyone seems pretty lightweight even if they're over 6'.
@@kofuzi I did a meetup with Andy (The FOD Runner) recently when he tried my two pairs of these in the biggest UK 12.5/US 13 they do plus many others. Did a video of it :) Really they are at least 1/2 size too small for me so just about usable (and I do for training not racing) but for him a good size too small so other than a stride up the road sadly he can't test them. Why adidas stop their top running shoes 2 sizes smaller than Nike or Saucony is a mystery. I am about 6'5"/1.95m and "skinny" at 72 kg. He is an inch taller and believe around 85 kg which I see is not too far short of 200 lb. So if your foot fits in them think would be fine.
"energy rods"....do you at any time feel they are t here poking your feet. Or do you only feel them "working" ? Also, do you know if the rods over time end up poking through the midsole and into the shoe....then your feet? Or is there something in the midsole that keeps the rods THERE for the life of the shoe? Even when the foam looses it's responsiveness and there's no more tread on the outsole?
For some reason , Adidas is asking pretty much the same price for both shoes in my country. So I guess it would be better to just go with the Adios Pro 2 that could be used from 5km up to ultra marathons ?
Why does Adidas performance sizing stop at 13. They sell the Ultraboost to size 15+ but stop at 13 for the Boston line through their elite shoes. A real bummer as I’d love to try them, just need a size 14.
Looking forward to taking the Takumi Sen 8 tomorrow on a half marathon TT. Was going to use it in a race tomorrow however it’s been cancelled due to the weather over here in the Uk!! I’m interested to see how the Takumi feels at that distance, if it still has its pop and nimbleness or it beats the calves up too much….
@@Sh0n0 still the best shoe in my rotation!! I managed a 32:30 10k and a 56:14 10 mile race. I’d say it would be fine for a 1/2 marathon but a marathon maybe be pushing it too much
I am just curious it's a little bit unrelated to the shoes. I was wondering do you run the entire 13 miles at 6 mins per mile without taking a break? I am amazed how people can run such long distances like it's no big deal!
I'm interested in the Takumi Sen 8. do you have sizing suggestions? for instance i wear 10.5 in the Mach 4 and Carbon X 2. how about the Adios for sizing just in case? 😉
I recently purchased a size 9 and 9.5 US with the intent to return one pair. I have been using a 9.5 in my Adios 6s and the size 9 Takumi feels very similar to the lockdown, forefoot width and overall length as my Adios 6s. Hope this helps with your sizing decision.
If it’s a race on a track, I’d probably go with spikes. I’m not sure whether World Athletics stack height rules would eliminate any of your choices, or if those rules would apply to your situation If they don’t, and if you don’t want to wear spikes, I’d rather be in the takumi sen 8
Awesome comparison Mike. I am inclined to agree with you that of the two the Adios Pro 2 etched out the Takumi Sen 8. To add to your points - the Pro 2 just offers more versatility than the Takumi Sen. To have both of these shoes in your rotation isn't that viable considering how tight the price gap is between the two.
Adidas are flooding the market with new releases, it's hard to know what they are all for or where they fit into a shoe rotation, some are remarkably similar looking
Question for the kofuzi run club: do you commonly use your “race” shoes for training? I’ve never really done so besides tune-up runs (40 years of running). Old racers became new workout shoes. I get kofuzi does so since he has more shoes than most (I would too). Curious what others do.
No, because of economics. The super shoes cost too much for me to work out with and they wear out quickly. I only use them for race day. Plus I feel faster on race day putting on the super shoes when I train with regular shoes.
Sure he does as how else would he able to do his regular 100 mile shoe review videos in shoes that are stated as being "race" ones. Personally I use my "race" shoes for fast training as well as racing all the time. These days "racing" shoes I typically find are more cushioned than supposed daily trainers. Far "nicer" to do long road runs in too.
@@TimGrose That’s sort of the impetus to the question. Previously racing shoes (flats) were bare bones and were tough on the feet and legs. My Pro 2s are very comfortable and I was considering TS 8’s for workouts because the Pro 2s are for racing. I just got the Endorphin Speed 2 for that role. Curious about how much folks who race in their Pro 2s also do their workouts in them. Thanks for the input!
I don't.....I tend to use a heavier shoe(Brooks or ASICS) for training as .I work on the principle of using heavier shoes to build strength....same with cycling as I always train on a heavier ALU bike and keep the aero for the race..Bit like lifting weights really...if you keep lifting light weights you won't get stacked with more power.
I am very satisfied with AdizeroAdiosPro2 for marathon and ultra distances but can u reccomend me another one like this with comfortable upper for the toes?(except alphafly/vaporfly/any endorphin)
I want a shoe for 100m ,400m sprints and also for 5-10k fast running... But i want something stability As much as possible. Do you have any to recommend?
that's a great question. part of me is like, well the Takumi is faster. but the other part of me is thinking that those later miles when I'm getting tired, the Adios Pro 2 would be preferable. I think I'd reach for the Adios Pro 2
I bought adios pro 2 and i hate them. My legs hurt so much as I constantly need to compensate to stay on my feet. Almost broke my ankle. Very bad shoes. Now i run with adios 7 and it is so much better. I guess for adios pro 2 you must be a very light and small person to enjoy them. I'm 6 3 and these are the most terrible shoes I've ever owned
I'm glad you found something that works for you. but it didn't seem apparent from your comment, so I will make a clarification for others who may be reading this with similar concerns. different shoes are intended for different things. both the Adios Pro 2 and the Takumi Sen 8 shoes mentioned in this video are intended for faster running. For every day paces, the Adios Pro 2, like many racing shoes, may seem awkward, as can happen whenever a tool is used beyond it's intended purpose.
