Toga is another example of people feeling shackled by the perception of their quirks. We’ve seen multiple examples that the quirk you are born with affects the way you are perceived in society. Shinso grew up with people telling him that he was a villain because of his villainous quirk. Shoji and Spinner were marginalized because of their heteromorph quirks. The Todoroki family was destroyed because of Endeavor’s obsession with creating a “masterpiece” with the perfect quirk. Now, we see Toga felt like she had to wear a mask to repress herself because her normal self wouldn’t fit in with society. Instead of people helping her deal with her urges and finding a healthier outlet, she was told to just bottle everything up. Naturally, this didn’t help at all and only made the problem worse. I liked the symbolism after Ochaco’s quirk awakening where she said that she wanted to touch the pain inside of Toga’s heart. Given the nature of her quirk, Ochaco is saying that she wants to take all of that pain inside of Toga and make it “weightless” so that Toga doesn’t have to feel weighed down by societal expectation. That moment was a nice touch to end on.
Luci Christian (Dub Ochako), Leah Clark (Dub Toga), Ayane Sakura (Sub Ochako) and Misato Fukuen (Sub Toga) all put on a masterclass performance for this episode 👏🏾👏🏾I was left speechless and close to tears from watching both sides😢🥹 Also, a big FXCK YOU to Toga's parents
@@spaceageGecko i like some dubs actually, mha has its dub moments but overall kinda sucks. I actually grew to like dub these past couple years cuz I used to be a dub hater
yo, i just wanted to say, it really shows (in my opinion) that suraj's rewatch of the show has really helped him understand alot of the new season and even just catching connections they may have faded otherwise and it hasnt gone unnoticed ! hyped to see ya'll watch the finale
We got a bit of a glimpse into Toga's past back in MVA but I'm glad Horikoshi delved a little deeper this time. Once again, a lot of the parents in this series kinda suck. And this also says a lot not just about the parents but about the quirk counseling system and hero society at large. Rather than trying to provide Toga with a healthy alternative or teaching her that just because she has a quirk relating to blood doesn't define her, they instead lean into the stereotype that we've seen ever since Shinso was introduced. People with quirks that are seen as "scary" or "villainous" are treated like villains. Called freaks or subhuman. The quirk counseling only tried to convert Toga into being "normal" and her parents called her inhuman. There was no attempt to help. There was only forced conversion. And because of a lack of support, she eventually became the monster they accused her of being. I see people talking about how, "Oh. Just because they have a sad backstory doesn't justify their actions". And, obviously. Their backstory is to show how they got their mindset. Not to say that they're right. However, that doesn't mean that the message they're asking is wrong. That's what Horikoshi is trying to convey. That's what Nagant's entire character is about when she first appeared. To ask the question, "After the heroes defeat the villains, what next?" If the answer is that everything goes back to the way it was, then they failed. They didn't learn anything. More Toga's, Toya's and Tenko's will be created. The system currently in place is one that rejects people who look different, people who think different, and people with quirks that are considered to be "villainous". Even if the heroes defeat the villains of today, unless they change the system in place, they will actively be creating the villains of tomorrow. And in that sense, unless there is true change, there can be no victory. And I think this all ties back to Twice's line in the Overhaul arc. "I may be a villain, but I'm still human". These people were treated as less than human in some instances. And only by acknowledging all of their qualities, both good and bad can the human inside of them be understood. Ochako was able to find the source of Toga's pain. Her parents and those around her called her less than human. An anomaly. They said her smile was creepy and sickening. Ochako saw that same smile, that same person. And she said Toga was the cutest in the whole world and that she's willing to spend the rest of her life giving her blood. Ochako knows that blood is the way Toga feels and expresses love. For Deku. For Stain. For Ochako herself. And she showed Toga she was willing to accept all of her love. Ochako succeeded in saving a villain.
Toga is nothing like a Vampire she can eat regular food and that's just her quirk Instincts and personality but it causes her get insane and everyone around to mistreated her behavior and calling her a "human abomination" She can be the Best medical hero with her quirk
I got to meet uraraka’s voice actress once at a comic con. She was really cool. What I didn’t know is that she even voiced Medusa from soul eater. Now that’s range!
The sad thing is, Toga had the potential to be a great hero in many ways. Being able to use other people's quirks if she loves them? Being a biological match to people who need blood? She could be a straight up superhero or medical hero. So many great and productive uses of her power, and her personality is so loving that she'd have been willing to do it. But they never taught her that. It was all just repression. No healthy avenues, only verbal and physical abuse.
As someone likewise, it was a pretty retarded plot. No doubt VA and director,animator did excellent job... But this whole Togachako plot was pretty retarded. Glad it ended
yeah IMO I think she can do some good cosplays of MHA characters. Like froppy and other female heroes (can you imagine her as miruko. I think she can pull it off)
They do have an answer for hard to control Quirks: Tartarus. It's not just a jail but a "detainment facility" for people with highly dangerous Quirks. It's where Eri would have gone if he wasn't personally taken in by UA. Like you said, the League really did have legitimate gripes with the world. 😅
Shipping aside, Toga's story is such an obvious queer allegory. Being told she was born wrong, her parents wishing she was "normal," just wanting someone to accept her and treat her nicely, desperately wanting her parents to help and accept her, sending her away to get "fixed" by someone, ect. Horikoshi isn't subtle with his allegories and this is very on the nose. As a queer person it's very relatable. She literally just wanted someone to listen and accept her and could have been one of the most valuable heroes if she was treated nicely by even one person when growing up. Instead she turned into a villain who, outside of AFO, could have destroyed the entire world.
@@HelenaSan425 So you got the first two words of the whole text, assumed the other person was saying Toga and Uraraka are in love with each other, and ignored everything else?
''if you still feel like having a chat even a little bit...then i'll give you as much blood as you want!!!'' MY GOD!!!! DONT TAKE THEM FROOM ME 😭💔💔💔💔💔💔 7:53
The scene from the "expert" is an allegory to convertion therapy. Which they don't work, they only cause more harm and trauma and the "experts" that do convertion therapy should be revoked from their licenses and criminally prosecuted. Is really sad, that kids are abuse by not only their parents, bu also by "experts" that are not really "experts". Psychologist, that do convertion therapy, are monsters and only using their expertise to cause harm, not only to the victim, but to people around them. And parents, that take them to this kinds of therapy are abusers and should get their kids removed.
They forgot Quirk counseling exists. There’s an entire system dedicated to what you’re talking about. 😅 The issue with specifically is somehow, they legitimately didn’t have an answer for her to express her quirk because of her desire to want others blood. So she was told to never use her quirk and ignore the impulse which drove her mad.
I think it's more like quirk counseling doesn't work if the way society works is repressing any element of distress. Hero Society is working through put the dark stuff behind the rug instead addressing it like Nagant says. Brainwashing by omission, repression instead of cooperation
It's cut out from or otherwise downplayed by the show itself but one the reasons Destro's ideology had such a strong following was due to people feeling pigeonholed into a specific definition of "normal," and Toga is a prime example, not an exception. Quirk counseling, as it existed before, was a flawed system that barely dealt with symptoms rather than any cause.
the problem is that the quirk counseling offered by the current institution isn't healthy nor equipped to deal with this, and that with each generation quirks only get harder to handle. Her quirk therapy was essentially "don't do that, be normal" which isn't fucking helpful; Any competent counselor would be able to see the NUMEROUS positive ways that Himiko's quirk could be utilized if they even cared enough to stop and think for a moment
Togas not a vampire she doesn’t need blood so lot just anyone’s blood would do, the whole animals blood or whatever argument doesn’t really apply since she only wants the blood of the people she loves. Which that’s fine she just needs consent.
It touches my heart to see how much you guys were affected by this episode. It made me very emotional too. You're right, this anime is one of the absolute best ❤
*If I had a nickel for every time Uraraka made me cry like this, I would have a lot actually. But between this and her speech last season... :,) Toga finally got the love and validation that she needed and deserved all this time. If I’m being honest, despite everything she’s done, I do feel incredibly sorry for Toga. She was unfairly ostracized for how she expressed her love, but now, she’s finally met someone who accepts her.*
I originally watched the subbed (i like both. Dubbed VA did amazing ❤). Hearing Himiko ask if shes cute in the subbed is honestly so fricking adorable and heartbreaking at the same time. There's just something about the way the subbed VA says it that makes the whole scene better. I strongly recommend those who have only seen the dubbed version of this episode to watch this episode (or at least a clip) in the subbed.
Heteromorph. The word is Heteromorph. Hetero = not the same (opposite Homo, which means same. That's why heterosexual means attracted to the different sex, and homosexual is attracted to the same sex) Morph = shape (Such as amorphous, which means without shape. Water is amorphous) HeteroMorph means they are not the same shape as a normal human. Not to be confused with people like Iida, who are human shaped, but have unusual additions (his engines).
Luci Christian the voice actress behind Ochaco also voiced Wrath from FMA 03, Rico from gunslinger girls(an amazing anime and IMO super underrated ), Nami from One Piece.
No, she voices Nami from One Piece. Robin’s VA is Stephanie Young. How did you mix them up? Nami and Ochako sound almost exactly the same that it is impossible to NOT see that both have the same VA.
Just think of both yoga and twice being accepted by society and people understanding them they legit woulda been great blood donors helping people but the society was terrible
Outstanding voice acting in sub and dub. Stylistic choices were great. But I had a hard time feeling any real connection or level of sympathy to Toga. The backstory gave context but I think it had a hard time following the well-built, emotional story of the todoroki family.
They are not trying to Sympathize with the villains or u the Audience Wether you disliked toga or not Ochako is trying to save her as a hero as theme of the show is about saving everyone and villains are still humans not monsters How about Go back watching Dragon ball
Ending is overhated. Guarantee the anime onlies will love it a lot more than manga readers just like how a lot of manga readers hated on a lot of the content that happened this season, yet a lot of people agree now that this is potentially MHAs best season. Not to mention we're most likely getting extended pages and chapters with the final volume in december
Dubs have drastically improved. If you still have a 4Kids TV view on dubs, that’s on you. They have reached a point where the level and talent of voice acting can no longer be denied.
Seriously buddy if you just want fighting then just watch jjk or demon slayer becoz this anime give more importance to drama more than just pointless fighting actions
