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TB118 ELECTRICAL SAFE ISOLATION - Boilers - ACS Gas Training 

Allen Hart
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TB 118 safe electrical isolation of gas appliances. ACS GAS TRAINING. Technical bulletin 118 We've got Andrew from Socket and See and Andrew's going to go over the new technical bulletin, TB 118 and he's going to go over, he's going to show us how to do safe isolation checks. Also, now with the new SES, this is going to be included in the SES as well. So we do need to know how to work safely on boilers. So yeah, I'll pass you over to Andrew now.
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Thanks very much for that, Alan. Andrew here from Socket and See and in this series of videos, we're going to be looking at how easy it is to comply with gas-safe technical bulletin 118, as long as you've got a little bit of know-how and the right equipment. Obviously, technical bulletin 118 covers all these essential electrical checks that a gas engineer will have to carry out when servicing a boiler. The first test we'll carry out is the safe-to-touch test. For this test, we're going to be using the Socket and See SP400 proven unit and the Socket and See VVD pro non-contact voltage detector. The first thing we need to do is prove that the non-contact voltage detector works. Then we do a quick sweep of the boiler, checking the boiler chassis and any extraneous metalwork. Once we've done the check, we prove that the non-contact voltage detector works and we're confident that we've completed an extraneous metalwork checks.
Now I've done the safe-to-touch test. I know that I can touch the boiler. Next is the essential electrical checks, and I need to access the boiler terminals for this. So I've removed the two retaining screws from the front of the boiler. Just pop that off. I have switched the boiler off while I access these terminals. I'll just drop the front, remove the two red retaining screws on this insulating panel, retain them for reassembly of the boiler, then lift this and we've got access to the terminals.
To do the essential electrical checks, I'm going to be using the Socket and See DLM Pro. I can use the magnetic strap to hold it in place on the boiler. I'll then connect the earth, ensuring a nice clean connection. That's very important for the testing. I'll then connect the neutral and the live. And then I'll switch the DLM Pro to the socket position before re-energising the boiler. That gives me my polarity checks and my incoming voltage checks. If any of those aren't right, the DLM Pro won't allow an earth loop impedance test, then simply switch to the loop position. It does a no-trip loop test. So it shouldn't trip the RCD and a healthy installation. Gives me an earth loop impedance reading right back from the transformer to the chassis of the boiler of 0.3 Ms and that's a good indication on the metre. Then disconnection, remove the live, remove the neutral, remove the air, and that's the essential electrical checks completed on the boiler.
Now I've done the essential electrical checks. I'm going to safely isolate the boiler so I can do the servicing on it while it's dead. I've removed the fuse from the fuse spur. I'm going to keep that safe and retain that myself. There are multiple locking off devices that can be used on fuse spurs or plug chops, for instance, the Socket and See log 10. Because I'm totally in control of the boiler, I won't be fitting that. Maybe if it was going to the van to get some tools then I would fit that device. Now I've removed the fuse. I can assume that it's safely isolated, but I want to prove that it's safely isolated. To prove safe isolation, I'm going to be using the Socket and See SP400 proving unit and the Socket and See VIP150 two-pole tester. The first thing we must do is use the SP400 to prove that the two-pole tester works correctly. Once I've proved that throughout the entire range, I can do the checks on the boiler terminals.
I'll be checking from earth to live connecting to the earth first, from neutral to live, connecting to the neutral first, and finally from earth to neutral. And we mustn't have any have indications during any of these checks. Again, we can assume that the boiler is safely isolated, but we've got to prove operation of the VIP150 again. Yeah, I've proved that operates throughout its entire range. We're save to continue with our power-off checks.
Run through the entire TB118 process now, and you've seen how easy it is to comply as long as you've got the right information and the right test equipment. We now are going to take a closer look at the equipment that we use to carry out the process, starting with the Socket and See VVD Pro. It's a non-contact voltage detector that operates from 50 to a thousand volts. And it's ideal for carrying out checks on extraneous metalwork, such as boiler chassis, radiators, pipes, and taps, just to see if there's any voltage present. If it doesn't give an indication, you know it's then safe to touch. It clearly

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@AllenHart999
@AllenHart999 3 года назад
Check out our updated video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-m7ffKTYo7Jk.html
@mikehamilton5345
@mikehamilton5345 4 года назад
Been made to do this by work for the last year, you wouldn’t believe how many council houses electrics trip on the loop impedance test 👍. We get audited loads too 😀
@rickroger3654
@rickroger3654 2 года назад
Well being a council house that should get tested every five years by an electrician but as being a gas engineer you have to go in there every year they will get you to test everything, it’s part of the tenancy agreements allowing for an annual service of the boiler so why are you there test the electric, smoke alarm, co alarm, check the loft lagging etc
@nickadams5212
@nickadams5212 4 года назад
Thanks for the video and time put in Allen. Great that your showing this, should be incorporated into the ACS, there has been plenty of times over the years where I have had a back feed to the boiler.
@AllenHart999
@AllenHart999 3 года назад
Thank You
@steveruddick7573
@steveruddick7573 4 года назад
Thanks Alan and Andrew this was really clear and helpful video to cover the tb118 keep up the great work and keep up the vids
@AllenHart999
@AllenHart999 4 года назад
Thank you so much,
@AdrianBordoy
@AdrianBordoy 4 года назад
Can you do a video on what to do if any of the stages fail the test
@AllenHart999
@AllenHart999 4 года назад
That,s a very good idea. Thanks.
@wecamefrommarsirl9654
@wecamefrommarsirl9654 3 года назад
@@AllenHart999 and how to classify it .
@billyoneputt1839
@billyoneputt1839 4 года назад
I use the socket and see, I put a clear insulation mat over the pcb when testing where necessary. To be extra safe. Some of the baxi’s had built in socket and see point.
@AllenHart999
@AllenHart999 4 года назад
Eco Blue advanced heat, BG boilers.
@AllenHart999
@AllenHart999 3 года назад
www.vipergas.co.uk/shop/products/socket-and-see-DLMPRO-combined-DMM-loop-socket-tester
@rickroger3654
@rickroger3654 2 года назад
So as Gas engineers we check the electrics as well as Gas so do electricians test the gas as well as the electrics?
@mgbroadsterJ
@mgbroadsterJ Год назад
It looks like boiler services are going up in price . Does proverbs have to be tested or checked by a professional on a yearly basis .
@AllenHart999
@AllenHart999 11 месяцев назад
Why would the price go up?
@stephenbradley6441
@stephenbradley6441 5 месяцев назад
can you use the entry level socket and see to do the safe isolation test , or must you use the double pole vip150
@darrenbarry4807
@darrenbarry4807 3 года назад
Thanks for your video Allen.I currently use my Multi Meter for safe isolation . Why do I need to use extra equipment for this purpose ? Also I just completed CCN1 Reassesment but they never mentioned Safe Isolation Procedures. Anyway thanks again for your video it’s certainly a worthwhile topic.
@AllenHart999
@AllenHart999 3 года назад
I can only tell you what TB118 says. We have a new video coming soon though and that shows a different way. Thats with a Multi Meter. Thanks
@Михаиллеви
@Михаиллеви 2 года назад
The electricians guidance for isolation testing devices is GS38 which is free to download. Outside of this document it is said that Multimeters have lots of settings so they are not suitable as it may accidentally be switched to the wrong one.
@waseemkhaliq933
@waseemkhaliq933 3 года назад
Hi Allen can you do a continuity test with the VIP 150 tester thanks
@11982463
@11982463 3 года назад
When testing earth n live. why connect earth first then live. What happens if you connect live first then earth? When testing neutral n live, why connect neutral then live. What happens when connect live first then neutral? Thanks
@daleprosser350
@daleprosser350 3 года назад
Replying to see the answer
@leefischer3639
@leefischer3639 4 года назад
So is the prove use prove the only thing they are adding to the acs or is it more than that?
@AllenHart999
@AllenHart999 4 года назад
They have made electrical checks part of the ACS now. Thanks.
@cumberland1234
@cumberland1234 3 года назад
Great video 👍
@AllenHart999
@AllenHart999 3 года назад
Thank You
@CsöszakiHoszivattyu
@CsöszakiHoszivattyu 4 года назад
Nothing else just money making.. next year every Gas Engineer has to be level 3 Sparky as well... Proving Unit starts at 110£, and loads of sparky not even ever use and not required just recommending. Love your video you are absolutely amazing engineer please don't misunderstand I mean loads of bullshit it that safe isolation procedure. Anyway to protect my ass I just done I level 3 Domestic Electrical Installer course for 1300 over 9 weeks, so thats cover every engineer ass if you do the right way, but again all about money money money... 👍👍👍 Also I do not like that socket and see thing... trust always Megger or Fluke or Kewtech.. All the best 👍👍
@AllenHart999
@AllenHart999 4 года назад
Thank you so much for the feedback. We do not have a choice as it’s part of the ACS now.
@Михаиллеви
@Михаиллеви 2 года назад
You can get self proving testers now for under £50. TIS 851. Problem solved. You don't need to do earth fault loop impedance for isolation. Safe isolation is checking the power has been isolated. You do not need to check the earth path to the sub station to isolate. If you didn't safe isolate it might be handy to know as it could indicate whether you live or die !
@markmaton4666
@markmaton4666 2 года назад
Cheers for the vid , helpful!
@aminalikazisaiyed373
@aminalikazisaiyed373 4 года назад
Thanks is really good to know
@AllenHart999
@AllenHart999 3 года назад
Thank You
@ikennaenebe7776
@ikennaenebe7776 4 года назад
Thanks guys
@AllenHart999
@AllenHart999 4 года назад
Thanks 🙏
@ericthekingthekingtheking4842
@ericthekingthekingtheking4842 4 года назад
Alan i seen this video 5 minutes in for a minute i thought youd dropped a couple of stone and had the duraglit on your napper mate 🤣🤣
@AllenHart999
@AllenHart999 4 года назад
ERIC THE KING THE KING THE KING Andrew is a slim Allen Artt 😂😂😂😂
@ericthekingthekingtheking4842
@ericthekingthekingtheking4842 4 года назад
@@AllenHart999 You should of got him to say im here today we alan art 🤣🤣
@cliveramsbotty6077
@cliveramsbotty6077 4 года назад
this stuff has become far too complicated. get your tester out, check for voltage, proceed. done.
@AllenHart999
@AllenHart999 4 года назад
clive ramsbotty Do you mean multimeter?
@mikehamilton5345
@mikehamilton5345 4 года назад
Some Old system set ups run on double fuse, not worth getting a belt 😂
@duncanicook
@duncanicook 4 года назад
A. You forgot to tell us the price of the text equipment. B. As you spend half the video rubbing your hands is it best we don't know. C. What text equipment do I need before operating my dishwasher or washing machine. D. Is there a piece of test equipment to measure the static from my dog rubbing it's arse across a man made fabric carpet?
@AllenHart999
@AllenHart999 3 года назад
Thank You
@veronicahart450
@veronicahart450 4 года назад
👍👍👍👍👍
@AllenHart999
@AllenHart999 4 года назад
Thanks.
@john-paulcox918
@john-paulcox918 4 года назад
Just a very long advert .
@AllenHart999
@AllenHart999 4 года назад
John Cox You can use any products you like. Personally I feel this is a really good video to show the new TB118, We now need to do this as part of our ACS. I wasn’t paid anything for the video and would like to invite any brand along to show products 👍 Thanks for the comments though.
@wecamefrommarsirl9654
@wecamefrommarsirl9654 3 года назад
This is just like getting an electrician to do a gas service getting beyond a joke at gas safe 🙄
@plumbertime
@plumbertime 4 года назад
Anyone got a part number for the central heating panel 😂👍 Good video tho thank you
@AllenHart999
@AllenHart999 4 года назад
Plumber Time Thank you so much for watching. 👍
@plumbertime
@plumbertime 4 года назад
I wasn’t being snide mate 👍 just a little humour 👌🏻
@AllenHart999
@AllenHart999 4 года назад
Plumber Time 👍👍👍
@madisonrai2078
@madisonrai2078 4 года назад
How much is that lot
@AllenHart999
@AllenHart999 4 года назад
Not really sure TBH. Thanks.
@arronblythe755
@arronblythe755 4 года назад
Feel free to drop me a email arron.blythe@vipergas.co.uk can help 📦🤝
@mikehamilton5345
@mikehamilton5345 4 года назад
Ours were £800
@mikehamilton5345
@mikehamilton5345 4 года назад
Pross130 is good enough and is £400
@arronblythe755
@arronblythe755 4 года назад
Not £800 The DLMPRO is about £299 Voltage pen £22 The two pole tester and proving units start from £110
@keithbrueton
@keithbrueton 4 года назад
And more money money money
@AllenHart999
@AllenHart999 3 года назад
Thank You
@sidwainhouse
@sidwainhouse 4 года назад
Overly complex and a sales pitch. If you look at HSE GS38 and HSG85 these will tell you what the requirements are for safe isolation and Best Practice Guide 2 will tell you how to do it. And no point testing for dead if you don't lock the circuit off. Only takes a moment of distraction and a nosey customer to turn the supply back on when you're working on it.
@AllenHart999
@AllenHart999 3 года назад
Thank You
@Михаиллеви
@Михаиллеви 2 года назад
If you can only isolate at the consumer unit then you must lock off. He didn't have to as he could remove the fuse which is correct. If it was plugged in then remove the fuse from the plug.
@salandjim
@salandjim 2 года назад
Where in TB 118 is the as operative instructed to perform a 'safety toch test' or an earth loop impedance test or a polarity test - the ONLY 'procedure' derined in TB 118 is the Safe Isolation procedure ! This video does nothing more than add to the confusion within the industry because TB 118 is ill-conceived, misguided, misworded, inaccurate and contains an unforgivably dangerous bunch of words - it should be no more than 2 pages long and explain what is in the title of the TB - a SAFE ISOLATION PROCEDURE ! The objective is simple - prove the test gear good, isolate the appliance, prove the appliance is dead and then perform a confidence test of the equipment to prove it is still good. Th edocument has opened the flood gates for test gear manufacturers to sell kit for checks that are NOT required to keep the gas operative safe ....
@cynt1111
@cynt1111 4 года назад
Wasn’t it easy when boilers were on 3 pin plugs, pull it out job done.
@AllenHart999
@AllenHart999 4 года назад
Timmy Gasman You could still get a shock if someone had wired external controls into boiler.
@johnhawthorne9611
@johnhawthorne9611 3 года назад
Non uk here (Australia), what changed to make your boilers hard wired?
@dangas6422
@dangas6422 4 года назад
Allen you're amazing gas engineer why you do agina video with vokera?? Are you install.that shit🤔🤔
@AllenHart999
@AllenHart999 4 года назад
I don’t really understand what you are saying or asking Dan, Sorry?
@dangas6422
@dangas6422 4 года назад
@@AllenHart999 are you install vokera???
@AllenHart999
@AllenHart999 4 года назад
@@dangas6422 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-EFIQ_H-APDQ.html
@Zaine22
@Zaine22 2 года назад
Is this a teach video or a sales pitch. Talk about over complicating things
@AllenHart999
@AllenHart999 2 года назад
The video is to talk about TB118, Clearly when i invite manufacturers onto the channel it will also help with sales for them. Thanks.
@chrisi970
@chrisi970 4 года назад
Great video 👍
@AllenHart999
@AllenHart999 4 года назад
Thanks.
@AllenHart999
@AllenHart999 4 года назад
Would you like anymore like this.
@chrisi970
@chrisi970 4 года назад
@@AllenHart999 Yes please I definitely need to get up to speed thanks Allen
@AllenHart999
@AllenHart999 4 года назад
@@chrisi970 Let me know which bits you would like to know more and I will try and sort it for you. Many thanks.
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