Team Fortress 2, Bots, Mods & News - A Tour of Valve Software 

I'd take you writing text on the screen and making me read it because you shot your vocal chords over any Ai any day.

i didnt even notice, probably cause im sleepy

I knew you sounded different in-game when you were recording footage from your Open Fortress sessions lol. Hope you get to feeling better

@@Teathling As much as I've grown to dislike voice cloning, it's hard to argue there's an issue if Tyler enhanced his own voice. He obviously has his consent. I'd still prefer hearing him sick because it doesn't bother me, but I feel like there are more important things to worry about when it comes to AI.

That’s really weird, dude.

Yeah, it's like they think they're god or something and don't have to say anything people need to hear.

YES

yeah, we need answers, juts that good or bad doesnt matter, just talk to us danm it

Obviously they don’t communicate, They’ve already explained why and it’s because of accountability If they talked, i can guarantee Gabe would have confirmed Half-Life 3 multiple times in the past 2 decades Then that would create waves of confusion when nothing is delivered. So it’s better to just say nothing and deliver what you can. Same thing applies with updates

The only gaming communication you'll get from valve nowadays is for CS and Dota all their other games are essential dead

He was using a Dead Ringer all the time.

Breaking Bad Spoiler Alert

​@@heavygaming-comthis isn't what happened so it's not a spoiler. It would be a spoiler if I said Hank died at the hands of gangsters that were holding Walter hostage for his new wealth.

​@@shaynehughes6645 Breaking Bad Spoiler Alert

​@@shaynehughes6645also would be a spoiler if I said that Walter dies in the end

Of course it could. But Valve doesn't perceive that as being commercially worth it. Despite them having an endless supply of money.

@@collodion1884No, that's not quite the right reason. They do not see TF2 as the most valuable project to work on, and the last several times they tried to increase TF2's value, the results were disappointing, so no one wants to work solely on TF2. CounterStrike, Dota2, Steam Deck, VR, Steam as a platform/store front, etc. Valve has many projects that look far more valuable to the company. Valve could, and actually have hired collage students, and even Highschool age students, who looked promising. But Valves m.o. is to hire people that can bring the most perceived value to the company. If Valve were to hire anyone, they would not hire them for a specific project, but allow them to work on any project the wanted, as they do with all Valve employees. The closest they get is that they will hire people with skills that are useful for specific projects, and that person will likely want to work on those projects, but they are not required to work on anything specific, they are just required to work on something that brings value to the company, even if it's not the project they were brought on for initially. They do hire contractors to work on specific projects for a set period of time. This is what they did when the first #SaveTF2 happened. So to more directly address the suggestion, they could hire like 6 contractors to work on whatever Eric wanted, but it would a temporary thing, it would not last. And if they did hire people fully with the expectation that they would want to work on TF2, those people would likely not work exclusively on TF2, just as Eric does not work exclusively on TF2.

TF2 bots, L4D2 DDoS, CS:S/DoD:S server spam, it's getting kind of pathetic. I wish they would just give a fuck, man..

​@@deadsince1996ok, was anyone *really* still playing cs:s? it wasnt even that well recieved at launch, and everyone basically calls it gmod assets now

​@@2-Way_Intersection surf players

Agreed, but then the fact that they have 0 plans to take care of the bots and complete lack of communication easily and completely reverses that

@@truffles Eric is just one guy, if he could throw Valve Employees at the problem to try and fix it, he probably would, or even better yet hire more people. But that's not his decision to make.

It all boils down to corporate bureaucracy

I wish one employee's high hopes for the game was enough for me to believe that this game is going anywhere but down, but if I were a bot owner then this is the exact news that would make me go all in. Utmost respect to Eric but he really doesn't have the power to fix a fraction of the pressing issues. I do hope the "agreement" that we or devs have heard nothing about goes well, and if it has anything to do with making on-platform alternatives to the base game then it's probably the most we could hope for in terms of keeping the game in a somewhat-updating and playable state (minus community servers)

You got cool animations

Even though it's basically what we all thought all along - VALVe knows about the bot issue and just doesn't care.

Or rather, MOST of Valve doesn't care. Clearly some people care deeply, but not nearly enough to make an impact, sadly. @@Harrisonmego

you would have to be the most naive person on earth to think they were ever not aware of what was going on@@Harrisonmego

​@alkimos55 Okay so we should say "Valve broke all of their promises and one guy is sympathetic toward that but it doesn't matter b/c Valve is greedy"

@@HarrisonmegoI'm kinda glad. We've been asking for communication. Here it is.

it is. Valve games are technically indie games, except the ones published by Sierra

@@AmelpsXett Huh? Valve isn't some small team working out of their garage, they are a full blown corporate publisher. You might as well say that Ubisoft games are indie.

yeah lol i liked when he said valve is an independent company

@@RandomRebelSoldier indie just means no publisher (“indie”pendent), valve is the publisher publishing their own games Now TF2 also had the staff of an indie dev team: like 3 people

@@RandomRebelSoldier Ubisoft is owned by Gulliemort brothers, Tencent and other shareholders. Ubisoft as a company started from an already full blown business with many moving parts Valve is 50% Gabe and other share holders, but Valve doesn't sell stocks publicly, plus it's more of a formality. Its essentially an indie company

i genuinely blanked out while watching the video and for a moment thought valve gave dean norris a tour LMAO

also isn’t that medic grenade launcher basically just baptiste from overwatch

@@TrueKingOfDucks if they can copy from us we can copy from them

I didn't say that! I just said we weren't going to get torched with cease and desists!

Yo backburner! TF2 reference!

Game itself, not just the team

Yeah, I left Casual for Community servers after yelling at Blu through my mic when they wouldn't kick their top scoring cheater or bots, while we on Red we're kicking all of our bots. I am not a toxic person normally, so when I allow a game to make me toxic, it's time to throw in the towel, and hope the game gets fixed.

@@Jukestar there's no cross-team voice chat dude you were yelling at nothing LOL

​@@Jukestar No one tell him

@@aspiceeone 🤷

One of the writers claimed a while ago that if it never happened, he'd just reveal what the planned final issue's story would've been as a blog post. I really wish he'd make good on that and just tell us; sure, it's not as good as having a full-on actually finished comic, but it'd at least be better than leaving us on that cliffhanger for the rest of time. It's like how Epistle 3 went a long way towards giving people closure for the Half-Life series (at least until Alyx got everyone whipped up again and a follow-up to that still doesn't seem to be in the cards). If they can't do a full project, it would be better than nothing.

So write it yourself. It's just fiction. Anyone can do it.

​@@aspiceeoneidk man, the ao3 tag says otherwise

With just TF2 money alone they could do this. But Valve doesn't care. They can break their promises as long as they have some shiney new hardware to show you.

Valve and effort is a joke buddy.

@@1e0isfdkorblpg Valve used to be good too

An important fact of game development is "throwing money to hire devs" isn't as simple as it seems. Everything about Valves development philosophy is about empowering individuals to decide what to do, and what to work on- That's not an easy system to hire into, on top of typical development issues (coordinations, philosophy, etc)

@@anonameis7818 Then they should stop profiting from the game if they can't.

i don't like the idea of two whole teams randomly being added in just like that, something that big would have a comic alongside it to fit in the tf2 story kinda like mvm

That would never happen and it's not even what's being suggested at all

It would probably be “DLC” like TModLoader

oh god imagine having to apply every single cosmetic a new green/yellow color scheme

not in game, but probably on steam

Bot crisis is more complicated than "Valve stop being greedy and throw more money and people at it and it'll be fixed". Shounic covered it in 1 of his video. Also Valve can just shutdown TF2 if they don't make enough money, certain console port of TF2's servers already shutdown and other games in the orange box.

​@@michaeljonathan9715 Valve is literally a multi-billion dollar company. They have all the resources they need. 😂

​​@@davidnewhart2533How did they get those multi-billion dollars? By following the money. TF2 is not that.

They have the man power but lack the motivation, Eric all but confirmed that. No one wants to work on TF2 because it's an old game and an old version of the source engine. The company culture also really bullies people into working on other games which doesn't help - this isn't anything new though, even when TF2 was under development. And since VALVE is just an indie studio with a lot of people, essentially, I doubt we'll ever see a major update for TF2 anytime soon - TF2 will be 20+ years old at this point before it gets the infamous Heavy update. It'd be nice if Valve contracted out small teams that worked more like a traditional studio to work on certain games or projects that are handled by a manager for that explicit purpose outside of their normal workflows.

People don't really understand even the biggest franchise have this issue. This is not a easy task.

If they make a heavy hog I'd play that.

@@HeartlessClockworkFatscout

that new medigun is straight up baptiste from overwatch definitely interesting to see something like that, but i’m afraid it will have a lower skill ceiling than the regular uber mechanic

may guilty gear

@@jr.jackrabbit10I’m okay with that…. But with this weapons I’m afraid tf2c might go into more overwatch like style not bad but it is more stiff gameplay. I just wish we can get some weapons and game mode from tf2c to tf2.

a weapon like this, which is likely to make the rest of your team play differently due to how influential a medic is to those around him, will probably make the game feel a lot more positional and is overall DEFINITELY more vulnerable to demo and other power classes. Especially when regarding the shield that replaces traditional uber, you either have to be out of the bubble's relatively small radius before it disappears, or be a sitting duck and get blown up immediately. now that i give it some more thought, it seems kind of antithetical to actual classic tf2's design philosophy.@@peika8324

Erm... that’s Hank ☝️🤓

Nah, hes from bottom gear mate

Hankk from buried in sand

Hank playable class in tf2 when

it's basically baptiste's grenade launcher lol

@@MillsTCThe Uber Dome is also reminiscent of Bap’s immortality field.

Honestly I would like it a lot, I enjoy playing support in overwatch and it always made me think about how lacking TF2 is in healer gameplay

reminds me more of paladins

ah, I guess that makes sense, they were going to do it soon, and then valve time

Great, Bap is possibly the most fun support hero

I heard that Valve's hiring process boils down to whether or not they like you as a person, not how skilled you are.

@@ZoofyZoof But that's the hiring process within the company, they can just contract someone professional and skillful to do remote work for them. Valve already started hiring more contractors since the pandemic, I'm not sure why they can't just contract more people within the TF2 community and give them strict contracts as they can only do work for TF2 and not other projects.

yea I really think Eric needs to try to make it clear to other employees that this is absolutely unnacceptable. Make them fix it or hire some more contractors.

thats our server :DDDDDD

gotta love seeing oak town mentioned here

oak town good server!1!1!1!1

4:29 - 6:03

Who likes the rat?

Timestamp?

Exactly, It's a bs excuse that they don't have enough people. Pay someone to do it. They are still making money off this game year after year. It's embarrassing for this great game and their company. A lot of people have their experience ruined

Because their requirements for hiring are extremely strict, you have to be really experienced in the industry.

They simply don't see any financial incentive to do so. It'll cost them money, even if it's a tiny amount compared to what they make in profits every year, and they believe it'll result in no substantial return.

valve already hired outside people to work on tf2 and it ended bad end of the line was the one i think the guys got into a agruement on how it was gonna work and valve had to go and step in

@@deathbringer9893 invasion, recent example was creators.tf, I don't think the community can ever be trusted with maintaining the game proper.

How are the two connected?

100%. They give us the worst update ever in MyM and then just let it slowly rot with little effort being put into maintaining it. Valve is a joke and a shell of what they once were.

NOPE

@@cisiel22 ur mom

Game development and hardware development go hand in hand though, I don't think there'd be any benefit in separating them.

Valve has multi-disciplinary employees who work on multiple things. You can't just separate the company into separate divisions since some of the employees work on multiple things for the company. Valve just don't have clear company-wide goals/objectives so then employees have to come up together (the cabal) if they want to make something into fruition. It's good that they let their employees do what they want as long as it will eventually be beneficial for the company, but this caused the company to lack vision and some products to be abandoned because they were deemed not interesting or not important.

when will you scrape titan holo

And if players stop opening cases, there's no need to support the game, either.

​@@trolleymouseOh no! The game might become unplayable. Oh wait...

@@trolleymouseexactly, my point was that they dont care either way. They take in millions from cases and cant even put that into improving the game.

@@Spheraz lol hopefully this bitcoin bull run.

valve really is the one studio you have every right to call lazy

​@Leeloo_the_fox Yea this situation is 100% valve's own doing, what are a couple of non permanent developers gonna do here?

​@Leeloo_the_foxoh you're homeless? just buy a house lol

Wow it's not like valve is rich or anything lol.

@@goluboch That is not at all an accurate comparison.

You mean Baptiste's grenade launcher. And Lamp (though I hope they don't add that, everyone hates it).

@@blahblah49000 maybe they could make the Uber for it kinda like ana's nano boost, give them damage resistance, a light speed boost, and mini crits.

If they made an example out of the major hosts, you'd think it'd cause the smaller ones to stop. That's really what Valve should do. Sadly I don't think they'll bother.

It is risky

Yeah his voice is generated or something

​@@ced5552no its a joke about the devs name, its like a character from breaking bad. (also read the pinned comment)

are you actually mentally deranged

he already has shock therapy which overheals to the max in 1 swing medic is still boring doe as it the entirety of tf2c