Buy a GN Tear-Down Toolkit on the store: store.gamersnexus.net/products/gamersnexus-tear-down-toolkit Buy a GN Mouse Mat on the store: store.gamersnexus.net/products/gn-wireframe-mouse-mat Watch our AMD RX 6700 XT review: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-oj8SuJ2Mb6A.html
i gave up when i realized i was never going to be able to afford to upgrade to anything modern, this x5675@4.4-4.8ghz will be my last gaming system, when it cant play modern games anymore... im just done gaming.... i live on SSI, i have to be careful with money and my purchases, with the prices skyrocketing with zero signs of them becoming more reasonable, living on under 800usd a month... no way can i save up enough to even replace my videocard if it fails... and i expect the prices to keep going up.... and miners to keep getting all the cards... perhaps game developers can stop advancing games and start building games for the hardware people can actually get ahold of... anyway... good review, exactly what i expected, half arse work by amd, because, they know it dosnt matter, their not selling to gamers, they are selling to mining farms... hopefully this system holds up another decade... and before this crap hit... i was close to getting a ryzen core system upgrade.... oh well 48gb of ddr3 2133@1760 10-10-10-29 cr1 or 9-9-9-27 cr2 at least lets me use primocache to get nvme perf out of standard sata drives.... speccy.piriform.com/results/2v2cGHLQb2SiXyV6WujO3dy i expect to be able to upgrade in another decade, to stuff thats out now....
Thermal Pad thickness? Did I miss that? If doing a tear down always get thermal pad thickness' and dimensions along with fan models, tools needed, etc. Write a simple list update as needed. So foor every video card I will do xyz. You are awesome by the way and did address most of these.
Yeah, what's the point in having a Backplate, without Pads. If you going to be cheap, go all the Way, and make it just the PCB, IO Plate, Heatsink and Fan.
I feel the same. For $500+ USD at least put in some thermal pads. Already paying damn near twice what we paid for same class few years back. It's crazy.
Hello darkness, my old friend I've come to talk with you again Because a vision softly creeping Left its seeds while I was sleeping And the vision that was planted in my brain Still remains Within the sound of silence
Yeah, 6 years ago I paid 500€ for my GTX 980. With an average of 1.2% inflation that's 535€ today. I guess NVidia and AMD used f*cking raytracing to screw everyone over...
@@pikkyuukyuun4741 You've got to have eight cameras to take pictures of your stuff so you can use your massive amounts of RAM to post the highly compressed image on Facebook.
@@niklasholgerson3779 It's actually not only Nvidia's and AMD's fault. Yes they (especially Nvidia) screwed with consumers but the main problem is increased cost of silicon. These processes are expensive as hell. For comparison here are the rough costs of one wafer: TSMC 12 nm (RTX 2000 series): 4000$ TSMC 7 nm : 9000$ TSMC 5 nm : 17000$ So guess what the next GPUs will cost when the raw material bill just doubles from one gen to the next. Now that I'm writing this...perhaps they artifically increased prices this gen to reduce the price jump next gen.
for anyone that may see this and notice their card is running hot... 2mm thermal pads on the back dropped temps by 10C on the mem, I used thermalright odyssey for all the 6700xt's I own. it only takes about 5 minutes to do if you did want to lower those temps since it does run hot hot even with just gaming. Don't even have to touch the warranty sticker, just the outer 8 screws and it falls right off! The smallest pack of them or gelids you can buy for like $10-$15 should suffice! :)
@@Altair123 so when you take the back plate off you'll just put a strip on the backside of each of the memory modules rows, you can probably tell where they are. There's only a few screws that hold the backplate on. I was using 2mm thermal pads but I think 1.5 should work without causing the backplate to bow out like 2mm does slightly. It's the biggest improvement I've seen from adding pads on the backplate tbh.
I think we've already seen this card has a lot of problems, and falls into the "it's not great, but regardless, you had already probably decided to buy it or not buy it" so I'm not sure the flatness testing is worth the effort, but something this might benefit from, and generally I'd love to see you guys take on from time to time, is make a few of the simple mods that you point out as flaws in the design, and see what kind of improvement you get over the stock performance, just by adding extra pads or better paste or whatever else. In addition to being entertaining, I think the "see how easily we improved your design for what would cost you pennies" factor would really add that extra punch to your frequent requests for the engineers/manufacturers to stop skimping or being lazy.
I'm with you on the general idea, but I think it would probably be too much effort to invest for just a 6700xt... Maybe a longer-form series on general manufacturing quality deficiencies and other shortcomings? One that isn't dependent on the GPU release cycle, and more evergreen (something that people tell me is something the RU-vid algorithm likes these days).
I'm all for taking a cheap device and making it better with some simple common sense mods .... The problem here is this is not a cheap card at least price point wise
@@rafaelmarkos4489 "...just a 6700xt..." - those who can't afford the higher tiered cards (6800 up) deserve the same testing. There are more users at the 1060-ish level (back when we could afford 'mid-tier' cards and they existed), and surely they want to know how to improve performance (since AMD didn't bother). They also tend to hold onto them longer. Particularly under current global circumstances. Is thermal paste that dry on other new cards?
@@dandaly7305 i am with you on this. mid-tier cards tend to be the most popular, which means a lot of people would benefit from it, rather than the 5% or so who buy the flagships.
So… If someone with this card wants a bit more cooling from this, they just need to put thermal pads in all the places you pointed out. I personally would probably unplug the LEDs as well, because I don't need tiny, always on flashlights inside my computer that just use power and produce heat. (Though, only in tiny amounts.)
I kinda regret not getting the Sapphire Pulse version of the 6700 XT when I saw one available (new) for about 530 CAD (including shipping), about 390 USD. The 6700 XT, as long as the cooler is alright, is a way better value than anything from Nvidia at around 340-390.
@mattp6089 that's awesome. I just got a used 6900xt for $500 USD. It works great so I'm very happy with my new card that'll last a decent amount of years 😄
@@ultrarigo6829 Awesome. I intend to replace my 1080 and get some more VRAM for what I hope will improve things like Flight Simulator and DCS while I wait out the current madness for what now looks like being 1-2 more years. For reference to my definition of 'current madness', new 4090s here START at $2950 in local money. Hoping a second hand 6700XT, with thermal goop and pads redone, undervolted and with overclocked RAM will fill a gap in the meantime with a few extra frames.
Its not even close to being worth $1,000. In fact one retailer tried selling on newegg for just over $900 but non of the bots or scalpers even bought that.
@@Tarrasq-Eredar Crypto miners had no trouble inflating the price of Pascal, with a very limited supply their impact could only be worse. They're also incentivised to justify a high purchase price due to potential mining profits, exacerbating the scalper problem.
@@Tarrasq-Eredar That stock issues don't change the fact that miners are making the GPU market worse? If that's not a relevant reply, I'm not sure if you had a point either.
People (fanbois) need to take this to heart. AMD/nVidia/Intel it doesn’t matter. They are not your friends. Corporate is going to corporate. Just be an informed consumer and protect yourself with knowledge.
@@josephnorris4095 price and build quality are very wrong. Nobody should defend this. If nvidia made a card like this, all amd fanboys would slate them for a year. If intel made a card like this, they'd be called greedy cnts who cut corners for quick profits. If amd did this, and they did, amd fanboys encourage them, buy them and promote them everywhere. It's crummy when nvidia or intel does it, amd apparently has no choice. If intel pulled the pricing on their cpus same as amd, they'd be calling them greedy. When amd did it, every amd parrot started making excuses how it's a business, not a charity, that they need capital to invest... basically if amd does it, it's good, regardless what it is.
Imo good paste, good pads, pads on mem backside like you said. And testing how much of a difference it makes (and other ideas you might have about cooling related perf) - is what I would like to see. To know just how much they are skimping on those.
Hey steve you didn't tell me the mouse mat also has that new car smell! Mine came in the mail and the build quality blew me away. It's so nice I feel like I shouldn't even be using it.
Haha, glad you like it! Thanks so much for trying it out. They can hold up to a lot and are easily cleaned by hand with some soap and water, so use with confidence!
Boy, you weren't kidding, I just tried to smell mine, and it does have that. It's probably from the plastic softener for the backside of the mat. Funny enough, right after I bought my toolkit and mat, Steve did a stream where everything bought during said stream would be autographed by the team. There's a price to pay for rushing...
PLEASE do your full suite of tests. you help EVERYONE make smart decisions in the tech community and in all honesty.. i feel like these guys need to get called out on this kind of behavior.. dont hold back.
Yeah, it will really help people see which "mid-range" card is worth it over the other or is it worth saving or going used. Also, hold the manufacturer's responsible if it is a flawed design or let us know if it's just fine.
@@Bryan11210 If those things were made correctly your gpu could’ve been 10-20 degrees c cooler and it would be easier to overclock because your memory would be cooled properly unlike this shit
@@alreed2434 And for just an extra couple of bucks ...... You can't even justify this are "designing to a price point" because the price point sucks ..... This graphics card is going for at least $100 more than it's worth .....
GN being calling names as far back as his debut as reviewers. The sad thing is no one really cares and, company will exploited that, and try as much shady shit as possible unless there are legal and/or financial repercussion.
Yet Hardware Unboxed tests CPU limited settings and get called out for it. Tests different combinations of stuff and gets shadow banned. Maybe it's because they think Canadian audiences have no backbone.
As a heads up , Rossman does the same for apple and I don't think they even take notice of him. Guess channels under 5Mil subs aren't influencing much and channels smaller than 1Mil just get yeeted under the bus?
@@rafaeldullnig1320 Apple knows about Rossman, but it's mainly the contractors that works with Apple that hates him. Basically 3rd party companies are the ones picking up bread crumbs dropped by their corporate overlords. It's like being hated by farmers when you call out corporations that pays farmers for their crops, that overly process them into unhealthy food. These are "Blacklisting" and "Black sheep" sort of attitudes, where someone amongst the community of "specialist" decides to upheave the status quo and gets mobbed.
So, you remember those crappy coolers you used to find on low-end Maxwell and Pascal GPUs? Nowadays they slap similar solutions on almost $500 MSRP GPUs. What a time to be alive, eh?
Steve's savagery increases every video. This is how you know you got a good tech-head at the mast. Chaotic-Good. He will throw shade at anyone who deserves the shade, and this is why we love him and his team.
@@LawrenceTimme its a number of factos tbh, but to be fair companies don't need to do any effort to sell a bottom line 500-600$ msrp card... and that is really sad
Had a feeling to not bother with this card. Not that I could get one, but something about it makes me steer clear. Better to wait/dream for something else
Steve, would love to see a video where you add some thermal pads to areas they should have and test for thermals (Also making sure to cover the die completely with thermal paste) and compare them. Your humor and frustration never disappoints.
I personally find all the testing interesting, regardless of whether you can actually get the cards are not. It's a purely engineering interest I guess.
After a few runs of Superposition my sample hit 80 degrees and 100 degrees hotspot. Considering removing the backplate. Screwing up the warranty sticker seems like someting I'm willing to risk considering the card has been doing just fine since I got it 2 weeks ago.
That corporate reach around while pounding his wallet hole; edited out to prevent unnecessary Hardware Unboxed drama. Why even care when they can't manufacture enough for regular people, as currently these reviews are only marketed towards cryptocurrency mining. 🤔😒🙄🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
I don't know what others want, but I think chemical paper test and cold plate info is absolutely wonderful content. I would love to see that video, and I hope others enjoy learning more about these kind of things as much as I do.
We want more testing for sure. It's a vocal minority that doesn't want testing. These cards will be available at **some** point and we want to know how good or in this case how bad they are. Please keep the testing going!
it is frustrating to see that manufacturers cut corners and they don't even try to improve thermal dissipation is not difficult to add thermal pads, this can studied with thermal image camera and easily say, "see we need to add dissipation here, how we do that? easy just use the back plate is metal "
You're one of the best and the best at trying to be the best at testing these products. Don't worry about people getting mad at you for doing a thorough and good job.
I would love to see more detailed testing with the contact paper and such. It's honestly a bummer to see you guys cutting back on content because some people only care about now rather than info that would be highly valuable 6 months to a year or more down the road. I completely understand why GN would make that choice. It's just disappointing to see that people (not GN) in general are so short sighted.
i just got my 6700xt and holy crap the memory temperatures are insane. 30 min of stress testing and the mem temps hit 110C and started to thermal throttle, core/junction temp was normal in the 70s-80s. I added 2mm gelid pads to the backplate and dropped about 8C. I'm thinking of replacing the front thermal pads as well.
After a few runs of Superposition my sample hit 80 degrees and 100 degrees hotspot. Considering removing the backplate. Screwing up the warranty sticker seems like someting I'm willing to risk considering the card has been doing just fine since I got it 2 weeks ago.
I struggled to find an old used RX 560 card with 4GB for less than $150 over the past week. The video card market is absolutely nuts. I'm so glad I'm not a gamer right now.
I regretted buying one .... at least for the first 6 months or so of broken buggy drivers and AMDs crappy tech support ...... I replaced it with a MSI 2080 Super Seahawk X for $500 back in October after seeing that getting a new graphics card was going to be nearly impossible ..... It just eats up the RX 5700 and spits out the chucks .... and it runs at 55 C or below with all my games .... It not only outperforms the RX 5700 in Raster Graphics it has DLSS 2.0 and Ray Tracing, a better recording/streaming software package and can even do some light AI functions for engineering thanks to the Tensor Cores ..... Cripes I just got back $300 by selling the GTX 1660 Ti that I replaced with the RX 5700 which my nephew has, in fact he has my entire old rig except for the 3 GB and 4 GB storage hard drives
Do I want more flatness testing? The answer isn’t a simple yes or no. The major things I want to know where flatness may come up are: 1. Does the cooler do it’s job. If the temps on major components are good, then whatever the flatness is, it isn’t handicapping the card. 2. Where can I improve the card on my own if I want more performance? So, if I want to push a higher OC, I will be looking at things I can do that the manufacturer didn’t. Better paste/pads, adding pads where there are none, replacing fans or modifying shrouds, etc. if the Die isn’t flat, that is a pretty serious task to fix. If the cooler baseplate isn’t flat, that I might actually tackle. So, if the cooler isn’t flat to the point I could see more than 1C-2C gains from fixing it, I would be interested. 3. Am I getting what I am paying for? So, if a cooler works, but not nearly as well as it should for the price being asked, I want to know where they cut corners. If the cooler looks cheap but isn’t priced as such, I want to know where they cut corners. 4. If a cooler is flat-out bad, I want to know why. If it isn’t even doing to job of keeping the card from throttling, dig into it and include the flatness testing. For me, those are the main reasons I might be interested in flatness testing. I don’t think you need to test every card, just ones where the flatness could change a buy/don’t buy decision, or where it is relevant to the value or modability of a card. Not sure modability is a word, but you know what I mean.
" $479 MSRP " Oh You Naive Bastard You 🤣. Saw only one mythical 6700xt for $400 something. Every other card was $750-$850+. Keep up the good work guys.
Id love to see the pressure and levelness testing, and anything else you want to throw at my eyes and brain. I enjoy that deeper more interesting content
@@arkdesign9517 they were literally the only ones who gave 6700 XT a somewhat positive title, they also always shit talk stuff like RT or DLSS yet people think they are unbiased
When you realize this flimsy GPU costs $80 more than the digital PS5, and $180 more than the XSeS. The die is a similar size, the memory is close enough. How much do you think one of these cards really costs to produce/ship compared to an entire console? If you assume the consoles are sold at (or slightly above) cost, theres still a ton of margin to be made selling a much smaller/lighter/simpler product with no SSD, wifi, controller, PSU, etc. I'm sitting here thinking about how you can walk into any best buy and get a name-brand LG 60" 4k UHD smart TV for $480. I can't imagine what it costs just to ship something like that into the country, let alone produce and package it. But sure, leave out the thermal pads. You've earned those pennies AMD.
Steve, make a video on a perfect or CLOSE to perfect design so we can see it. I guess more thermal pads, a separate Sapphire-esque VRAM/VRM heatsink, pass-through design, etc. is what is needed. Would be interesting.
I've seen you and other reviewers mention '"1$ increase for 1% more performance". That would mean you'd get double the performance compared to the previous model for a 100$ higher price, which, depending on the previous model's base price, might actually be a great value proposition. Do you mean "1% price increase for 1% more performance"? That would make more sense and keep the performance per dollar flat, and make the newer model not a better value.
just bought this card, honestly i got the reference card because there easy to resell, and i still wont pay for a 3060 ti, but i cant complain i jumped from a 750 ti to rx 6700 xt. so i cant complain.
The sticker is illegal in the US, but not in the rest of the world, so they are not gonna make a special stickerless production line just for the US. They just need to remember they can't enforce it in the US.
It's non enforceable in the EU either and a lot of other places. ( most places where people can afford these cards ) It's likely trying to dissuade people from RMA'ing their own product. ( not everyone knows their rights ) ( they will never admit to it, though ) Though within the EU warranty is so strong ( and long ) and restrictive that it might be counter intuitive as a costsaving/moneymaking measure.
@@roml1289 If you could make money from selling someone who could RMA a graphics card a new graphics card you'd definitely would. Even if it's not enforable if that person thinks he can't repair his own card outside of warranty because of a cheap sticker you'd definitely put that sticker there. Apple makes a living off it if you look at some repair channels. Also, it's enforceable in brazil and a ton of other places, just not most of if not all of the EU.
@@TheEtueify Apple dont need any sticker, they just tell you "repaire (meening full intrenal swap) Will cost more than the machine, please buy a New one" 😂 and please dont go to Louis Rossmann, we make sure he doesn't get any chip
I'm not sure it matters if the fan header comes off. Mine did partially and I just pushed it back down. The pins are soldered to the pcb and the "header" seems to just be held on with friction like the cable header is itself. Just take care and remember which way it came off, if that matters, I don't know
You would think a reference board would be the simplest and shittiest based on its cost but it’s always the opposite. They are the cheapest and contain the most convoluted designs
It's clearly not junk though. It's pretty good compared to previous blower ref cards. Steve is comparing it to evga cards which are top end cards, ref cards are bottom of the barrel penny pincher cards.
@@josephnorris4095 yes absolutely. Just like everyone is complaining about inflated prices, but other people are clearly still buying them at the inflated price so the price really isn't too high.
Would it be possible to do a follow up video on the thermal pads or say cheap tiny upgrades people could do to their cards which might help performance a little? Perhaps with a quick series of tests just to see the difference between no thermal pads on the back vs thermal pads on the back. Maybe even a heat camera shot (if possible on the 6700 XT) just to show AMD that it does make a difference. Hopefully someone in charge of manufacturing or developing might see it.
AMD: "Steve is a mean poopoo head." Steve could add the thermal pads you were talking about and show what the difference in temperatures are before and after?
Exactly, product engineers care if things run within spec, adding unecessary parts and steps to manufacture add costs but might also add a new way to fail, so should be tested. Sometimes Steve's oc-ing objectives appear to mean his goal is minimising heat rather than manage it to specs.
@@RobBCactive He's an end-user. He cares about getting the most quality of an item he could get and if that means minimizing as much heat as possible then yes he'd want companies to add a few pennies for better cooling.
@@harukonoe4248 He's hand waving without data. There's also big user visible over size coolers on GPUs and triple fans which don't actually improve performance, perhaps they reduce fan noise slightly, but their real purpose is to increase AIB margins.
Please do deaper testing! You guys put out some of my favorite content with these teardowns and commentary. It makes knowing what to look at much easier.
Why do people even consider this card to be mid-range? Same thing happened last year. The 2070 super launched and nobody said anything. But as soon as the 5700XT launched, suddenly they were both mid-range cards. The range is defined by relative performance and price. How come the 1060 and the 570 were mid-range a few years ago, but now the xx7x is?
My rx570 "mid range" card was $150 and it came with a full game worth $60, re2 remake or the division 2, (I got two games with my PC build and don't remember which came from what.) Finally got thru the amd que and all the 6800xts were out of stock so I got one of these. Sold my 5-6 year old 1060 for $200 to help cover the cost of the upgrade a bit
I think the Team Rocket logo is fitting. Team Rocket gets included as a gag, cost the main characters resources, and never get the chance to fulfill their purpose. Nobody seems to be able to catch(purchase) them either.
