Tech Thursday // Can-Am Maverick R - FIRST IMPRESSIONS! 

One of my 1st thoughts seeing the new maverick R was what does shock therapy think!

I gotta say the way Justin explains everything is fucking amazing. Dude has some serious knowledge and loves to dish it all out. Iv learned so much from these videos. Props to all you guys for being badass. 🤘🏼

I like the tech talk. Nobody else does it

My guess is your test ride will confirm all the assumptions. This thing is a weapon. Hats off to can am… again.

Maverick R for dummies. I understood everything, great explanation I want one so bad. Thanks!!

Thank you for the deep dive into the suspension of the Maverick R. The more I learn about the car the more I appreciate the engineering in the car.

I'm glad you mentioned the brakes. Seems like there hasn't been much attention paid to the brake upgrades.

Best Maverick R video by far. I loved the break down of the role centers.

Would love to see a pro r vs maverick r breakdown like this with both in shop side by side. Break it down for us to see which is best.

First comment for the live feed. Too many consumers worry about looks over function. Tells a lot about many of the customers in this industry.

Excellent, guys! Thank you 👍

Great review on a technical level - can't wait to hear your thoughts after having some time in a one! Thx for the continuing education and great products!

Love these videos. Thanks for taking the time to explain all of this to us.

Awesome stuff, learned a bit

Great job cant wait to here ur feelings after u take it for a hard run

Although I’m not a fan of this design for the what I would use this machine for, I always enjoy watching Shock Therapy videos & Justin does an excellent job explaining the benefits of this setup!. Great video!

Cant wait to know more about your new electronic sway bar links!!

Awesome video guys!

This is the best and only explanation of the new suspension! This is my 4th time! At my age you have to really rub it in! (PS) Tell Steve to just be Steve!

thanks so much for the video, found this after looking for answers for why my Maverick x3 xrs max is having bad drifting in the steering especially on pavement. Cant wait to see your follow up after you get to test the new R out.

I really like it but think it would be so much more subtle and look so much better if the spindle and upper A-arm was black, especially on the black model.

I was not prepared for this graduate level suspension class I need the basics lol

Your giving us gold!!!! Appreciate the knowledge you share. I feel like I stepped out of a seminar.

Personally I like how it looks different from other utvs. If it works how they say it’s going to be great.

Great video. Very informative. I want you guys to build my pair.

Great explanations. I do wonder how much of the benifit is canceled out by moving all that metal up possibly raising the center of gravity.

very informative!

Good Show👍

Most revolutionary machine in last 25 years. Its a machine ONLY brp could engineer!

What's the avg angle for a arm tilt as far as i know quads and sxs have slightly tilted a arms front to back i don't know exact name of that angle. Another question, is there a cad software can do generative design or topology optimization for space frame/tube chassis. Many of them do it for casting and miling but i can't mill or cast the whole chassis.

Thanks for this video. Would you rather have a car that have camber change but no track width change (krx) or a car that have no camber change but track width change (maverick r) through the suspension cycle?

When you talk about the lower arm and vision. They bring the shock up to clear the axel so does even say 1 inch if that change that? In my head it doesn’t change much. I love everything about this car but the view point hasn’t changed much. After seeing one in person.

I was waiting for this video so you guys could explain the praying mantis suspension setup

Great video, it seems like before this you thought the KRX 1000 had possibly the best front suspension design. What are your thoughts now?

Oh, with My Bronco, driving in Automatic (like I usually do) I can still Shift Down with the Paddle Shifters (without putting it in Manual!) Is the Can-Am the same? Yea, I can see totally using this as I’m coming off a big dune! Of course just keeping my foot above the gas in case she starts to come around on me and I need to gas it!

Friendly request to get those miles on your test unit racked up as fast as possible to get that full review out 😊

Love shack, really? Dear gawd man!

It appears the shock is still at quite an angle. I understand it’s a packaging issue. How important is motion ratio? Always felt valving and spring rate should be able to offset the disadvantage. Would y’all explain why motion ratio is a concern?

When will you guys get your hands on a speed? Really interested to see your breakdown of the geometry. Also really interested to see the internals of those shocks

The big question, how much does the new spindle add in unsprung weight?

Even though it’s pulling less on the upper an arm it doesn’t matter against the chassis because it’s higher up on the chassis. Think about it this way, if you were trying to flip the car over and you had a huge tube connected through the lower a arm connection and either the new or old upper a arm connection on the frame it would take the same amount of force at any distance on the tube from the lower connection point. Only difference is the stress it puts on the connections.

What about the force applied to the inside of the tire on the other side? Wouldn't it increase the load against the top ball joint and offset the benefit?

Is the driving review of the maverick R coming soon ? Also did you guys ever get a chance to try the new Bilstein Blackhawk shocks on the X3 ?

The sway bar was moved because of the engine orientation. Same position as the talon.

Does CanAm have Tracks that fit/work?

Does that limit tire size to stock (I assume 32)? Doesn’t look like a 35 will fit.

I could never afford it, but would drive the hell out of it

Will we see these improvements trickle down to the X3?

Surprised you haven't done a video like this for the speedutv and its suspension design

Any news on the front diff?

Why do offroad vehicles have 1-2inch more travel in the rear. Is there a specific performance reason or it's just easier to have more travel in the rear with the design of rear suspension.

Saw the race team up for sale on RaceDezert.... whats the plan going forward?

I want to daily drive this thing!!!!!

So you’re saying a low roll center will roll less and be flatter thru the turn. That’s opposite of what I was taught. A low roll center is farther away from the center of gravity. Therefore there is more leverage for the chassis to roll.

Do sxs have crumple zone? I have seen a pro r crash and the front end is destroyed but the cabin is fine.

One trade-off of the design appears to be a limit to tire diameter choices, though if the car could run on 35s that would satisfy all but the pro mud guys. Funny, these suspension design concepts were all more cleverly addressed 46 years ago by Mercedes Benz for the W126 chassis (SEL Sedans). I Wonder if we'll ever see any SXS brand adopt active sway bars, another Mercedes idea for the W164 (ML/GLE) more than 20 years ago. Making shocks 'smart', while keeping sway bars 'dumb' seems like an unfinished job. Crazy how far Sport SXSs have come in a decade though, from pushpins and plastic to a 17 billion dollar-a-year market. Props to Can-am for shifting to a modern transmission design.🎯

Still single shear stuff, really listening to their racers Justin.

HEHE. an X3 was already a super capable chasis, motor and drive train. 98% of us folks that would own an X3 would never even come close to driving the machine to ithe limit or even close to the limits of its capabilities. doesnt crap like this just add to the already too expensive prices of side by sides these days? sequential shift and an industry par screen/gps system is reallly all they needed. any word if the 72" version of the machine will get that transmission? I live in Canada and a 77" wide machine sighting will be far and few on our trails.

It’s goofy looking, but I see the benefits. I see a lot of things being done in the industry now that Robby was doing years ago with the XX and now with the Speed

I think with 25 inches of suspension travel you would have more than 4 or 5 inches of track width change. However that’s the whole reason they went to 78 inches wide was to combat that track width the change.

good info, as far as the stud vs lug stud debate, wouldn't a lug stud be a pain in the ass to change a tire? Or am I missing a part in my brain haha

This is truly a session of I dont know what im talking about BS....

How is ackerman angle done in rear steer vehicles? In normal front steer there's imaginary line from pivot point of the front knuckle to center of rear axle and that's the angle that tie rod arms should be. What about rear steer vehicles that have independently controlled rear wheels how to do ackerman on them considering that both axles steer at different angles. My guess would be to optimize where the Ackerman angle is the most pronounced. Hopefully i explained well what i mean.

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I just saw a video of sxsblog last year when they where at Glamis and they put up a video of throwing camping chairs and beer cans in the fire and laughing we need to keep guys like this out of our dunes you know how many others people see that and think it’s ok to do that Glamis is my local dunes I live 2 hours from there been going for 40 years and I do the help clean up glamis with thousands of other volunteers to keep our dune clean and open but we got guys coming from Michigan and putting videos up with them throwing trash in the fire not cool I know you hung out with them befor please pass the word that that’s not cool to do

wouldn't that be like a 4point/corner Mono shock system? Thats what I see

Have the studs in the hub makes it easier to line the tire up

As a Southeastern rider where clearance, gearing and disconnected sway bars are king... I see no benefit for those riders. Am I wrong? Having owned a Maverick X3 and all I had to do just to get it to not breakdown in the rough it seems this is too great a risk for my style of riding.

So how much side load would an Xtravel put out 500lbs????

I love how he keeps saying how much better it will handle on pavement lol. Aren't these made for trails?

Has he done his first impressions on the SPEED yet?

Keep in Mind, The SECOND you put wider wheels with a different offset on the car. It changes Everything in the Geometry. KEEP STOCK OFFSET WHEELS.

Did they mention the weight of the vehicle?

Speed utv with speed key is 300 hp from the factory.

100 lbs pulling higher on the chassis moving the chassis into body roll easier then 350lbs alot lower. That seems like a hard thing to calculate by looking at pictures. Overall good on canam for trying to change the wheel. It's crazy looking.

Parallel equal length a arm suspension has a roll center a ground level. Spindle height has nothing to do with the roll center height. This is all marketing B.S. all the “reduced load” is being confined in the s shaped spindle.

Is there a clutch? All I saw was a brake pedal! I’m sure there was a gas pedal though!

Pretty much like you drew on the board a long time ago that you thought would be ideal it like they Pretty much listen to you lol

Wow the price tags on these sxs are getting out of control polaris and can am 40 to 50 grand is too much for a average person. I will never be able to afford sxs😢

The Engine Head-Studs??? Comment??? (May be near the end!)

They might actually own you some money now that I think about it lol

Does he keep saying highth..?

Are you sure there isn’t one in a back room somewhere? Hard to believe a bunch of u tubers (some hardly in the SXS game) get a ride and demo before a premium aftermarket company with a product line built around the brand.

I think people will see the tire or machine pull something right into that goofy bar and tear thru the tire or bend the bar .

Roll center is not correct. The lower the roll center is the more the vehicle with roll in a turn....

chassis strengthened by 15% lol

Can am has bought you. Lower is always better. You know that. MIT grad here. Stiffer frame is always better let suspension don’t it’s work.

Transmission could be cool if it's strong. They get 0 points for boring out the same motor and dumping more boost in. All Polaris has to do is drop a turbo pro r and canam couldn't touch the hp numbers. Still has the same shitty smart lok differential. I'm sure it'll be fast as heck in the desert. That doesn't matter to the majority of people that ride in the woods though. That upper arm is also gonna take a bunch of abuse anywhere but the desert.

My issue is the goofy looking knuckles didn't need to be like that. They could have achieved a very similar functionality without the ugly front end. Think trophy truck. Make the knuckle taller but keep it inside the tire. Looks do matter and someone may choose a polaris pro R because it looks better. Just sayin

Your force roll center calcs are flawed. Yes it has less load at the mount with the taller spindle but it is effectively working on a longer lever arm giving it more leverage on the chassis. The amount of roll will be similar between the old and new designs.

This was a Can Am BJ session! Come on bud, there’s always PROS and CONS. But you don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings at Can Am. There is so much more that’s been said about this car and you choose to skate on by that.

NOT for $60.000000000 $

So basically, before this, they had a shitty design

Screw you bud. This makes so many issues on the trails. We use these on trails, not everyone works for shock therapy doing Baja runs. I see that thing breaking all time.

i dont care how good it works... it looks like crap

Do you actually think Steve is funny?

Those upper ball joints are you in the way of big tires!