TEKKEN 8's DLC Is Gross.... 

What do you guys think about the DLC in this game?

Idk how they got away with the whole replays thing. Not letting you control your own character during the replays against a dlc character you dont own is actually insane

Don’t forget this is the same Bandai Namco that put frame data behind a paywall in Tekken 7 so idk if this should be that much of a surprise 😆

Devil's advocate here, but when you hold back popular characters like Armor King to release later, it can single-handedly cause a new influx of players to buy or return to the game. It's way more difficult (and expensive) to do that with brand new characters. Not impossible though since they did it with Leeroy in T7. Akuma brought back a bunch of people to SF6. It nearly beat it's all time high on steam. There was a major balance patch too, but Akuma was the face of the marketing.

In Thailand (my country) 8 usd is equal to our daily minimum wage. You do labour from 7 in the morning to 6 in the evening and get paid 8 usd which can only buy 1 goddamn T8 DLC character. Let that sink in.

Also reselling Lidia only 3 years after we bought her is pretty crazy lol

I’m excited for Lidia didn’t care for Eddy but I know there’s Eddy fans that love him

Yeah I haven't seen anyone talk about the price, 40$ for 4 characters is so much it's crazy that these prices are normalized

reselling lidia as fast as they did was insane.

Paying for characters and cosmetics doesn't bother me, *however*, locking replays and forcing you to buy something to practice against is grimy. Not everyone has $8 or $40 to spare just to be able to learn how to block a character's moves.

As someone who was an avid gamer up until the end of high school (around 2008) then stopped & came back into gaming this year.. i have been nothing short of appalled by the new "pay to play" mechanics most modern games have. A HUGE part of what made me love video games when i was younger was beating the stories, side quests, mini games, etc. & seeing what i could unlock. I understand a lot can change in 15 years, but to find out things i considered to be essential video game elements are all money based now & beating games hardly grants you anything truly blew my mind. I honestly feel bad for you younger gamers who never got to experience the grind-to-unlock era.

I've seen people say it before but who would buy Shaheen? Putting popular characters behind a paywall is most profitable which is what matters to most companies.

See in the old days, companies like Capcom and SNK would just re-release game over and over with new characters, a little color change here and there, and if they're feeling brave, a few new texts that change nothing but hint of a story. How many versions of SF2 did they release? How many years did SNK release KOF before they had to stop? The DLC way of doing things might not look better, be enough people know how rough shit got and how better this seems to them. So people will take it. DON'T stop calling things out though, keep them honest.

I completely agree, especially with the 2nd point. Why tf can't I even just control my own non-DLC character?!?!

DB fighterz was £3.99 per character which I found more acceptable. Which is odd because DBF and Tekken are both published by Bandai Namco. I’ve always been a very casual tekken player so would never spend that much.

Been playing Tekken from the beginning but I'm out. I'm happier just not playing any more than I would be supporting this.

I remember when people first thought of charging $70 for games and were all like “oh its to make it so we don’t have to have all these pesky microtransactions” or whatever and yet legitimately good games like Tekken 8 and alot of other modern AAA are nickel and dimeing players more than ever, remember when Tekken 6 and Tag Tournament 2 literally gave you extra characters via update patches?

Remember when Tekken fans were mocking MK and SF fans for this? Good times.

I agree it's scummy but it makes sense. It's safer to sell legacy characters with established popularity rather than new characters since you won’t know beforehand how successful they will turn out. This is also why legacy characters usually outnumber the new characters by a pretty wide margin in a fighting game roster. It’s extremely risky to have a fighting game roster where the new characters outnumber the legacy characters with established popularity. Just ask SCV and SF3.

It's even worse IMO because even though the game is $70, it's also full of microtransactions now, which were ment to help fund the continuous development of the game, yet they still charge money for characters. I'm not saying they shouldn't make a profit but this is obscene. The ROI on those microtransactions is insane, they're basically a money printer, and should be more than enough for them to swim in money and develop new stuff.

Fahkumram could be next if they announced him. He’s still new to Tekken since they introduced him in Tekken 7 4 years ago.

As a hwoarang main I always get mad at myself not the game, but you do have a point re-buying a bought game is ridiculous :D

Out of all the current popular fighting games, SF6 at least gives you the option to test out a DLC character by letting your avatar learn the character’s style and abilities. Kinda like how shopping for clothes works. You should be able to try it on and decide if you want to commit to this. Unfortunately, I don’t think modern fighting games will let people test out DLC even though

I usually pay whenever PlayStation has a holiday sale but it also depends on the character/Fighter . But I don’t like how Tekken is putting OG fighters as DLC , it should be the newer ones.

tekken 7, the best selling tekken in tekken history. tekken 8, cash shop, dlc, battlepass helloo???? why would they need more money they already funded all of it in tekken 7 + extra.

the grossed part is they want to milk their players with microtransactions AND character DLCs

DLC characters are a fact of life for fighting games now and it's been that way for nearing a decade. I hate it, but I've begrudgingly accepted it. At least with character releases broken up into "seasons", it means the game will be supported for longer and (assumably) get more content as time goes on. At least as far as Tekken 8 is concerned, I'm pretty happy with the things they're adding for season one. New stages, new modes, and an expansion on the story mode is all things I'm looking forward to. That said, DLC characters should not be 8 bucks, and the whole business with the replays is downright stupid. What pisses me off most is the unveil of the dailies system and game currency 2-3 months after the game sold, because they KNEW if they bundled that shit into the game at the start, people would've had a problem with it. I'm not going to say I wouldn't have bought the game, but I'd have been much more hesitant.

A firm believer that DLCs should be like guest characters for tekken rather than the legacy characters.

To be honest after the balancing issues the withholding announcing fight passes till after launch and reviews and the dlc nonsense. This is the last Tekken game I think I will buy.. they are no better than NRS at this point

i think that characters that are very important in the lore of the game like Eddie, Anna, Armor King, Lei Wulong, Miguel or Bruce really deserved to be in base roster and not be a DLC or possibly DLC

People also buy all the characters because "i gotta fill my roster"

I actually wasn't aware that replays with DLC characters won't work unless you have the character. That's disgusting.

Selling old dlc as new ones is insane. Ppl rlly should Not buy Everything in the store either. Its already Greedy af to sell clothes that were in t7 as dlc. Gotta admit I bought jins t4 hoodie Cuz Its my fav fit in all of tekken. But still it felt sour. Im kinda afraid that the First few seasons will Just be characters from t7 that should have been Just base roster ngl. Ppl Love Anna, Marduk, AK so bamco knows which charas they can milk. Also I dont get HOW ppl can STILL IGNORE OR DEFEND That Lydia and Nina Look way too similar. Atleast in Game imo Avatar skins Are stupid too, Even More those emotes that can be used up… like Why? Also Thats a Personal complain But Why dont Game developers in basically any Game let us choose to keep our hood up? One aerial combo and Its Fine and u Gotta Wait 5 rounds to See it again😂 Even assassins creed took several Games to give us that decision LOL

I miss the time when you can unlock characters based on achievements within the game. This is a far cry from what he used to have on Tekken 5!

They are testing how much they can get away with without outrage... Like when in T7 they tried to charge for frame data, this time they go a bit differently - just locking frame data of a certain characters in dlc access... Don't ever believe if someone says that big company cares about the product's fanbase. All they care about is profit, they are not customers' friends and we should never defend them and normalise any shady doings

You should also address that they locked some of the cosmetics stuff to the battlepass which was previously can be unlocked with in-game currency instead of an actual money

In street fighter characters like M. Bison and Akuma came packaged free in the games for over 30 years until now. Tekken 8 makes even less sense with very specific characters being kept as dlc when they were free in past games. Makes no sense why Leroy gets to be free when he was dlc in the past but Lydia has to be dlc again even though she was in the exact same position. Fighting games are going in a very greedy direction. Stop letting your hype overlook very obvious greed guys. I've been buying older fighting games recently and Its gotten to the point where I feel shocked whenever I see character select screens with a lot of characters and 0 locks.

Since day one I had a problem with tekken 8. Since Tekken 6 this game has always the same aesthetics. Then they remaked just some stages and made stages that I have seen in thousand other fighting games. Why they don’t make something unique like Tekken 3 or Tekken 4 anymore? I mean it’s not that hard to make the game a bit beautiful

People bought Tekken 7 to save the franchise basically, and this is what we get, lol. Just make a good game like Tekken 7 was bamco, that's enough.

It's like they're doing their best to get away with the most they can before it inevitably blows in their faces...

From the backlash they knew folks would buy eddy gordo, But dlc is to expensive for characters while games are raising in price as if we dont have the worst economy atm in the us.

Look at the prices in Brazil the game: R$269.90, game deluxe: R$382.50, game ultimate: R$424.90, character: R$30.90, year 1 pass: R$154.90 90% of the population receive less than R$3500.00 per month

part of it is seeing new moves, how older characters work in new mechanics, also redoing the mocap for eddy is cool but you are right, it is a stiff ask. all this on top of a full price game with microtransactions AND a battle pass...

Here’s the problem. Full price game with a battle pass. Customization that isn’t in the battle pass that’s just rerelease of old shit they already had in old games. Then these characters for 10 dollars. Tekken 8 monetization is just fucked all around; not just these characters

Absolute garbage. Imagine paying again for Lidia and paying for eddy that was a base character in the previous title.

Paying for an OG character like Eddie just disrespectful.

I think part of the reason DLC characters are so expensive is that their target audience is inherently small. The only people in the market are those who already own Tekken 8. Only a fraction of those are still playing the game and only a fraction of those will actually buy the DLC. There is just no way of achieving big sales volume so you compensate by driving the price up instead. I'll still contend that Namco have gone too far in that regard, and not being able to lab and take over replays is seriously an insult to the fans of their franchise. The clueless suits in management probably don't understand what that means, though. Besides, they'll be at a different better paid job in different industry in a year, so why would they care...

Im sure shills will come out of the woodwork to ask you "What are you too poor? Get a job lol" Current argument used to justify ridiculous prices in gaming.

This is why I always buy fighting games on sale. I’m a huge Tekken fan but after Tekken 7 I stop giving a fuck. I just watch people play because I’m not going to spend over $100 bucks to play a fighting game

Respect for not shilling for Tekken, Bamco, Harada. You care enough about the game to want to it to be better. Unlike clowns who just, "don't like it? Don't play it." Imagine if everyone who gave valid criticism to a game they liked just took that advice. What would happen? The game would die. So again, thanks for keeping it real and calling out the bs..

I’m glad lidia is back but at the same time she was JUST a damn dlc character. The gameplay is phenomenal but the game feels so dry quality of life wise, even the customization is awful compared to 7

I like how Harada said, the game is not pay 2 win to some article, that said it was back when it launched... yeah explain that now Harada

Im just gonna wait till the seasons are on sale

They literally have been using the same assets/animations/character moves/sound effects etc for the past 15 years acting like there is a huge update that needs to be done im not convinced lol

Fighting games have become absurdly expensive, i have always loved this genre, but i cant justify buying full price for base game, and then season passes that are half the game price for 4 characters, that for me doesn’t compute,money is hard to earn to spend on such a stupid way, but because the community always wants the newest and most shiny thing, most people will buy, nothing wrong with playing slightly older games, easier on the pocket

i don’t spend a dime past the base game and if i had known namco would go this route i wouldn’t have bought the game at all. I don’t game much anymore because of how shallow gaming has gotten along with greedy if zoomers or others want their money stolen that’s on them. i won’t be one of those people.

First street fighter also sold Akuma and Ed again which is pretty terrible. Also looking at the fact how the story content that they advertise was in the 1.0 version makes me think that season 1 was probably supposed to be in the base roster at one point. In the case of Lidia it also pisses me off how all over 2021 Murray and the Tekken team hyped her up and was like "oh she will be a big part of the story! Oh we had to do karate again because we're running out of Fighting Styles!" My last point is that they refuse to show the content that they're selling so you essentially pay for a 40€ gift box whose contents you don't know. I personally want Lei back but most people tell me he will either skip 8 and or be added super late so this just ruins all the hype for potential new characters.

Tekken6 has 41 characters, tekk8 is a downgrade and asking for old characters money is something that harada said won't do for tekk7...yea right and hes still doing it, thx cows LMFAO at people who buy Lidia twice It's not about money, it's about being fair SCAMCO alright.

Great video! It does feel like a vicious cycle with the DLC - my favourite character is Anna who I bought in Tekken 7, and will probably have to buy her again in Tekken 8! Its especially iffy when we don't know (aside from leaks) who we might get in the season pass so we might end up buy the pass and not even get a character we like!

Lidia shoulda been in the base game. Eddy too, wtf is the point of reselling a mf thats been in every Tekken

I never seen a new DLC character become a DLC character twice in a row, that is wild 😂. Lydia is not that special.

I miss them days where you can just unlock characters but sadly we are long past those days but as much as I hate these over priced dlc they work help with the longevity of the game and help keep the game fresh

I am LIVID that sf6 isn't criticized more for the fight coin dlc bs

There should be 8 dlc characters, with 3 guest characters

There are rumors we will get Free-DLC character for Tekken 8 in EVO. Maybe Alex, Roger, Bruce who knows. Bandai-Namco seriously at least needs a trick like that now with all the backlash and if they give at least 1 character for free every year it's still very little. Like Heihachi, Ogre, True Ogre, Kazumi that's like 4 characters for 4 years. Use the story and incorporate that oh Tekken 8 Ogre is just a flashback or you fight with Young Heihachi vs Ogre. etc..

I’ve decided to no longer buy DLC because they’re just gonna release the whole game with all the characters all the stages. A month or so after they released all the DLC for like 40 bucks.

I think the pricing sticks out too because on top of being a full price game and DLC characters for eight bucks that you not only need if you want to play them, but also to effectively learn how to beat them the game also has a battlepass with a premium track and microtransactions. Independent of that I think if DLC characters could be played in Practice Mode and Replay it might actually boost sales as people get to actually demo the character before they have to buy it and it would feel less scummy.

Eddy shouldnt be dlc, Lidia shouldnt either, neither Fahkumram, its dumb, man.

The problem is, there is no other solution besides "don't like it, don't buy it" on the customer's front. Sure, you can go and complain about the pricing, but that hasn't done anything in the last ten years, because there are enough people that complain about the price and then buy it anyway. You are expecting these companies to be rational human beings that want to offer a fair deal to their customers. Get that idea out of your head immediately. These suits are looking to make as much as possible from you, with no moral compass. You can tell them that the pricing is too expensive and they will tell you "Thank you for your feedback" and then not change anything. They actively calculate, if the amounting backlash of a decision is worth the potential profit. Which means, for example, they knew people wouldn't like the Tekken Shop in a fully priced game, but they also are aware that the revenue it would generate was well worth the bad press. If we, as a community, don't make any of these scummy practices profitable for them, they will back off. But it requires a certain amount of restraint and maturity from us as the customers. Remember, this is not a fair game. If we don't push back, they will keep pushing as far as it goes. I know missing out on content you want to play and experience sucks, but that is exactly why they are doing it. They know you want the good stuff, which is why they are taking advantage of you. If you truly care and want things to change, you need to stop buying into this stuff. I'm sorry, but that is the only solution that is guaranteed to work.

Completely agree. I’m in Canada so the currency is a little different, I paid $105 after tax on the base game and the DLC characters are like $10 each.

This is exactly why UNI2 is simply better and more superior to most modern fighting games nowadays. Cause unlike Tekken 8, they don’t change the gameplay and turn it into a slog of mindless and boring unga bunga gameplay, and French Bread isn’t greedy enough to force you to pay to play. Once you buy UNI2, you don’t need to worry about DLC, you just play. Even with Kuon, who is DLC, is only so because you have to complete every other character’s arcade mode to unlock him. And, French Bread patched the online so it actually works. See? French Bread’s fighting games are peak fiction!

Cant they just make ton of skins and sell them to make money? People will still buy but others who dont want to invest don’t have a disadvantage

the worst part about DLC practices to me besides the greed is that youre only getting 1 character per quarter.... 4 characters for an entire year of your life. kindve crazy

I remember the old days when you played games like Tekken 3 and all you had to do was play the game in order to unlock new characters. Sure you had different versions of Street Fighter 2, but even then it wasn't that expensive and there wasn't a bunch of DLC's you had to buy back then. Now people are starting to play older games on older consoles because they are fed up with playing incomplete games or paying for games digitally only to have it taken away. I even heard that more people are buying a PC because of this.

I used to always buy deluxe edition then all season passes for all fighting games, getting access to characters I would never play. Now, it's over. I only buy the characters I want to play, nothing more

I’d like a video of your favorite characters in the series. As far as design, storyline, or fighting style.

I like how lidia is looking but I'm probably going to wait to see the season 2 characters

i really wanna learn takken but with the combo list its like a book. smash bros you have like 5 main moves, injustice 2 you have 5 moves too and you basically just learn them and build on them. in tekken its like woah where do i start with the combo list, never mind better off figuring out moves and memorizing them by heart.

I believe not being able to lab against a character in replays is criminal and HOPEFULLY they’ll fix that because I believe the devs genuinely want their player base to grow stronger as fighting game players and to minimize frustration in the learning process. Voice your complaint enough and I know they’ll listen. I honestly kinda understand and expected the increase in price for characters due to graphics increase, new mechanics to each character, new animations, etc. (this is not to say I support the price being what it is). I think we should’ve expected the price to increase but hopefully in the future they’ll lower these prices. On top of that I’m hoping that they do sales somewhat frequently for the dlc.

I can understand how this can extremely troublesome for a lot of people, but for me I don’t mind the prices since I play so much, and also with the way things are going, everything is just going to keep increasing in price. The games I play all have DLCs which costs around £10, which I hear a lot of people’s dislikes.

I just cant believe that a game in 2024 that has an entry price of $70 AND a mf battle pass on top of it would not give the DLC characters for free, even Call of Duty which is one of the most greedy game franchises today at least gives the new maps and guns free to everyone. This is indeed disgusting.

For work, I found myself having to collaborate with companies involved in video game distribution, and what I discovered, looking at the numbers, is that the classic $70 is no longer remotely sufficient to cover the cost of production and distribution of a video game, especially if it's a game that requires paying for servers, employees, marketing, etc., for years. Most of these companies are therefore forced to sell the base game at a loss or near it, then start making a profit with the sale of DLCs (the argument 70:32=2.18$ doesn't hold up because initially the game is sold at a loss). Companies are thus faced with a choice: sell the base game at a significantly higher price, lower the initial quality (both of these choices would be disastrous because they would drastically reduce the number of sales), or try to maximize revenues from DLCs. In essence, if we want a well-made game that lasts for years, given today's costs in creating video games, we have no choice but to accept that the game can only exist because the company planned for certain revenues from DLCs during the initial calculations, even before starting the project. I still agree with you that not allowing the use of replays for DLC characters is a colossal scam.

Honey this has been a problem since 2019 with Doa6. Forgive the long paragraphs I yap a lot. At the end of the day dlc is fine, hell dlc characters being around 5 to 7 dollars each isn’t bad it’s more the premise of being unable to lab them or being FORCED to get them in order to play against them. With legacy characters I feel a character who hasn’t been in the last like two or three entries being dlc is fine considering everyone knows they wouldn’t be here in base roster anyways so it’s nice to bring them back for people to play an old fav of theirs in a newer instalment. If you know doa they did this a lot with the extra character unlocks in their games that were mostly bosses and old characters being added over and over for you to unlock to give you something to do and keep old characters and movesets in the game regardless of if they have any use or relevance anymore to the series and latest entry. To pay for them now instead of just unlocking in game isn’t cute but is expected in the newer age of gaming. Them being paid for is scummy yes but not all bad since they’re characters people know probably should never be there or are very unlikely to ever be there in base roster anyways so bringing them back is cool. It’s when it’s a character that people actively play, have huge popularity and player base but in particular characters that were IN THE LAST ENRTRY OF THE SERIES BEFORE THIS ONE especially if they were dlc PREVIOUSLY AS WELL. Like either I’m having to pay for my character that should RIGHTFULLY be in the game itself normal just to keep playing him or I’m having to pay for a dlc TWICE! The whole point of dlc characters that are new to the series is to have a concept, see if it lands and if it does then you PUT THEM INTO THE SERIES and do something with them in the next game. It just makes the dlc boring cause it’s not new content or either really old returning content being realised into today for the sake of nostalgia it’s straight up just paying for previous content from the previous entry for scummy money and predatory purposes. Overall I shouldn’t be paying for previous content just for the latest entry. It should either be brand new characters to sink my teeth into and get intrigued by OR returning really old content (i.e old characters and stages) to be reimagined in this new game given hold old they are and how they would never or will ever return in a regular format beyond extra content purchasing plus it hits for good nostalgia points. That spot should not be Lydia or Eddy. Both should be base roster given how their characters are still clearly valuable to the series given they were in the last entry and are loved by many people competitively and non. It should be characters/stages we haven’t seen since the days of original Xbox and PlayStation 2 type shit brought to life in this new engine or art style. If that or just simply new characters and content.

Street fighter at least gives rental tickets to lab the characters

Bamco: Where's our moneh? Harada: I have a plan!

shit is trash lmao deleted it after I got god 6 months and still nothing done about pluggers this game is finished once sparking zero drops

Remember getting excited that Geese Howard was the first DLC character in Tekken 7

Fun fact: for pc only, there is way to get all tekken 8 dlc for free but youre going to have to search it yourselves. I dont want to say what its called bcs doing so might get it banned

I agree pure greed.They are getting over i never cared about the costumes all I want is the characters it should cost less without extra costumes. It is not a good practice to rip off your fan based that has been supporting they're games.

I actually don't mind *that much* having to pay 8 bucks for a character I really like (Can't wait for Lidia), but making me completely unable to practice against a character I have no interest in playing (Eddie) unless I PAY for it is what's really soiling my knickers. It's an actual free win for my opponent if they play a character I have not paid extra for. Absolutely insane.

We're all speculating with Eddy was the first DLC, but personally I think Eddy didn't make it into base roster because they didn't have time or resources to finish him in time for launch. Also the fact that the 2nd battlepass hasn't dropped and the 1st one was as terrible as it was for rewards I'm even more convinced the upper management at Bandai Namco forced the T8 devs to include the pass. Also there is absolutely no excuse for them to lock DLCs from practice mode or replay mode, almost all fighting games are guilty of the former but the replay mode is just extra spit in our face.

There is literally 0 reason why there is a tekken shop, a battlepass AND $8 DLC for a $70 basegame now imagine being one of the lucky idiots like myself that paid 300 for the collectors edition, not to mention its just to me so obvious tekken 8 was designed with a window wiper and a wendys takeout bag, not a single soul at bamco clearly care about tekken 8 and only want money because big corporation goes brrr

No, I am a game programmer. They most certainly have a rigging and physics system where they can simply input the spatial data and move set of these characters. Recreating the 3D model is not hard or expensive. It's a joke for them to add these characters and then they charge an insane amount of money. 2-3 dollars would already be a ripoff

Guys tekken 9 leaks online the title is in Japanese if translated it will be called tekken 9 rebirth gameplay shows kazuya against heihachi

Bandai Namco: Huh, the more characters that die, the more people will buy!

This is the same game franchise that charged for frame data and has been reselling characters as dlc for a long time It’s crazy how this is one of the best mechanical fighting games has some of the worse dlc But MK which is probably one of the worse mechanical fight game (not bad but worse out of all the top fgs) has the best dlcs

It pretty much took 4-5 years to get Tekken 7 with ALL the DLC included for a low price. Im tempted to go and wait another 5 years to get the complete edition to Tekken 8

$15.99 for me I can't with this dlc

The way the argument is framed in this video is awfully defensive, and it anything it serves as an imperative for developers to launch fighting games with less stages and less characters at launch, and for the same price. And afterwards, when the 1-character-DLC is released for $8, devs will justify themselves with _"oh, it all checks out, because the base game was released at 60€ with 12 characters and 8 stages, so this represents almost an extra 10% of the game!"_

Thank you bro, i genuinely considered payinf $36 just to play lidia early, i dont even like eddy or the two leaked characters left. I only ever want lidia and eliza anyway. Nice vid, great points.