Tekken's Frustrating Ground Game (ft. DisguisedToast) 

Especially in tekken 8! I feel like Oki was nowhere near as strong in the last game.

Namco missed their opportunity to do this, they got it with the peekaboo stance, flicker stance which is true to the philly shell but the shuffle became "lion heart" like man so close

This is true because some characters have incredible damage and setup potential if the opponent gets predictable with wakeups and others not so much. Like King can punish you HEAVY for even staying on the ground. Kazuya oki is insane too, Jin with his new combo reset etc.

Yeah but you can't discern it at the time you need to decide the break

I think it's SSR, my fault I've not labbed it 😅 But I'd rather backdash than at the wall say, as Phi showed, its more on open ground, i think in T8 ive been very 'aggressive' on taking ground, becuase of the larger stages, ive maybe just been a bit blind to my timing. Any tips

Kaz and DJ can do steel pedal over and over again to enforce techrolls

@@atollcollector yeah course, but after a combo in open ground you lose too spring kick (FUFT 3+4) usually. If I'm being honest use a ground hitting move is good advice but I'm past that

I'm asking specially about beating wake up kicks.. Kazuyas steel pedal is a FF input so it can lose diablo Jimmy's B4 is better for not getting clipped (don't play Jim sadly)

​@@Guitar-Dogif you don't have enough time to steel pedal wakeup kicks you don't have real oki

Did you go through the arcade quest? I know it seems lame but it doesn't take too long and it gives you all the fundamentals you need, although the first 30 minutes will be boring obvious stuff it does teach you the basics. The most important thing though, don't compare yourself to others too much. Especially people who are basically e-famous for being good at video games. These are not average players. Like you wouldn't get upset that you can't pick up a new sport as fast as a pro athlete. Pro gamers are going to pick up new games much faster because they already know what it takes to get good and they are good at doing so. And even beyond that, it does you no good to compare yourself too much to others. So just don't. Easier said than done though.

@charliericker274 Yeah i did about half of arcade quest and it was a bit too silly and decided to watch more replays, vids, etc. I dont mind loosing but being constantly demoted with no imporement is what is getting to me. I have some very bascialy input flaws im trying to work through. Also have a heck of a time in punishment training and timing, etc. I was bascially as low as you can go warrior today. The one thing i will say is this isn't really enjoyable at all. I have so much fun watching others hoping i can play better and the game will click soon.

We did some sessions but I didn't record!

80% win rate with Steve in ranked (just reached ruler ranks) and about 77% in quick match. I think the common approach to ranked is bad if you worry about losing rank or poor win rates like me. Just play quick matches until you're feeling really solid and consistently beat players ranked over you. Also always play several quick matches before even touching ranked in a session

He trains where there is a profit, his time is not unlimited. coaching known players creates an easier content compared to unknown ones. that being said, there are many paid coaches out there.

@@hiroyoshiarai8776 no shit Sherlock.. thanks for being the one to respond. But was lookn for the RU-vidr to respond. Not the d rider😁 thanks tho…

It's not intuitive yes, but it's depth is unique and cool to tekken, it obviously kills scrubs but it can also be telling of how good a player is just like combos, neutral, and punishment

I agree, you lose one 50/50 and take half health for it fine, now you try to get up and not let it happens again and bam another half health gone. Also feels like no one fking understands how this works including the game engine where it makes people jump over attacks or suddenly roll into horizon cos lockon got wonky.

I have the flu rn and can't breathe well

@@PhiDX Oh, apologies. Get well soon!

Big wake up won't know what hit them 😤

This is true, however it's insane to expect new players to want to do that. Easier characters can still teach you a lot but fundamentals are FORCED taught by Kazuya