Everyone, LDS or not, should know and remember that the rapture is not in the Bible. It was an idea that was taught and preached by a fundamentalist preacher in the late 1800s.
The phenomenon of deep fakes is one in which people’s images are used to place them in situations and even making statements that never happened. And, one may ask, haven’t the premises of mormonism always been one kind or another of deep fakes. Especially the leadership. One could envision a broadcast in which Jesus is being portrayed as having returned and speaking to the church members and giving them orders and pronouncements as if the entire enterprise were real and not fundamentally deceptive.
There are actually two raptures in the Bible minimum. Errors occur when people try to harmonize them into a single event and give up and eisegete Amillennialism or Post-Mil. 👍🏽.
This is CRAZY!! I served in Pusan Korea in 1992-1994. Han In Sang, a Korean General Authority spoke to a Korea-wide meeting and made it VERY CLEAR that hot tea was not against the word of wisdom, with one exception, Black Tea. Green Tea was encouraged. He also reminded the Korea Saints that Coca-cola was not against the word of wisdom. Every missionary in our mission drank all hot teas EVEN at mission and xone conferences. Why this never spilled over to Japan is a mystery.
That was the position in Korea also in 1982 while I was there on my mission. Incidentally, Heber j grant had a weaknesses for his Aunt's coffee. So things obviously change from time to time for no sane or rational reason
That's my understanding. Only black tea (Earl Grey, Assam...that kind) was prohibited in Korea back in the day, which made sense in a Mormon-logic kind of way because the less processed teas like green tea were not a thing in America when the standard Mormon tea prohibition went into effect. But something must have changed after Han In Sang was moved out of his GA position. More "correlation" I guess. I talked to a cousin who was a missionary in Korea around 2008 and he said that green tea was definitely a Word of Wisdom no-no and that this was something that the missionaries taught.
I completely agree with you. Green tea is so healthy. I need to start drinking it. I just recently heard that it is now ok to drink Coke. That was always questionable and you were kind off a rebel if you drank it.
Tea is a staple of the Asian culture. The church removing that is like telling them not to eat rice. It would not sit well with members in those areas.
Eclipses are only seen in certain places on Earth each time and most places do not even see it each time. So how can it be an omen for any world event? All it is an omen for are the sore eyes of anyone silly enough to watch it without protection.
I am not LDS but I am Christian and the torn temple veil is classically seen in a way as being a symbol of Jesus, or at least of what Jesus accomplished when he destroyed the power of sin that separates us from the Father. After his death the curtain ripped as a sign that direct access to the father was available to all because of the sacrifice of Jesus. Maybe they are seeing it that way? Just giving them the benefit of the doubt :)
You should be wearing your garments because they reflect the covenants you made in the temple, and because every rite and passage in the church is accomplished within priesthood authority. Your life is BLESSED as a member of the church very SPECIFICALLY on account of the priesthood -
I just started watching this so my point here may be premature.... I'm a never-mo and I understand that the bishop asks you questions and you get enough correct and pass, he signs your temple recommend card. So the solution to garments and tithing and the others is simple. You simply say "Yes" to the question and BAM, you take your signed card and go home. Whether you actually go to the temple or not is a different thing. I myself wouldn't go but I would say that I went. I might go if a kid or friend had a wedding, but that is the entire 100% reason for saying "Yes" to those questions, right ? Hmmm, just got to the part about #9 where the bishop asks "Do you strive to be honest in all that you do ?" And I'd give him a big ol' "YES !!!!!" because I am as honest as Joseph Smith
Mormonism creates the best liars. So many people just lie/lied to get a temple recommend. So much for Bishops having the spirit of discernment as they claim to have. 🤔 they must be liars too...
The only temple recommend interview question you can't lie about it whether you pay a full tithing, because your tithing donation records are kept in the local churches. And even then, if you are otherwise attending your meetings, working in the church and contributing, some bishops will let you slide on the tithing issue.
@@randyjordan5521 My brother in law is a bishop and told me that he has zero access to a member's W2 income. He said the bishop is supposed to accept the answer they give regarding whether they are a full tithe payer - because that answer should be their own interpretation about what a full tithe payer is - be it 10% of your gross, net, leftover, whatever. And both you and I have heard stories about people who are taking out loans on their 24% credit card to pay their tithing because they believe it is fire insurance. They go into debt to pay tithing. Looking for your reply about that
@@QUANTUM_QCD I didn't say that bishops had access to members' income records. A bishop can estimate a person's income just by their vocation and the quality of home, cars, etc. that they buy. And I can attest that my older brother took out a cash advance on his credit card so he could pay his "back tithing" so he could attend his child's temple wedding. That brother is now divorced, and 7 of his 8 kids will have nothing to do with him, and he is advancing into dementia. He is on a list to get into a VA retirement home, where he will live until he dies. For all of his faithfulness and all of the money he gave to the LDS church over 78 years, this is his reward.
@@randyjordan5521 So do you see the absurdity and evil in making people take out a cash advance (borrowing money) to pay tithing ? I know a swindle when I see it - I watch the Sopranos - same thing.
Religious identity trumping cultural identity is the apex of colonialism. My immigrant grandparents’ ties to their Mexican culture dissolved after they converted. I grew up with none of it.
9:59 Is calling garments “the garment of the holy priesthood“ instead of “garments”the new equivalent of having to say “the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints” instead of “Mormon”Are we going to hear that we offend God when we just say “garments“? It also brings to mind the fact that David a Bednar has been saying that we shouldn’t just call the temple “the temple” we’re supposed to say “the house of the Lord” if I remember correctly. I think he might’ve mentioned it in the October general conference. It could’ve been a talk BYU, I suppose, but I think it was conference. I don’t remember his exact example so I will make up one that is along the lines of what I heard him say… instead of saying “I’m going to the temple this Saturday “we should say “I’m going to the house of the Lord this Saturday”
Lots of members all around the world drink herbal tea and some drink green tea and don’t believe they are breaking the WoW. In fact, one year (I think it was 2008 or around that time), then-President Uchtdorf talked about drinking herbal tea during his Christmas devotional talk. I’m pretty sure it has been scrubbed from the internet now.
I'm pretty sure the new focus on garments has to do with finances. Garment sales are dropping off... "Well, how do we get members to buy more garments?" The whole thing is silly once you look at it from the outside. The more you wear them, the more you wear them out, the more you have to replace them. You can't go to the temple unless you wear them, and you have to buy them from the church.
Garment sales is one thing being able to get a temple recommend is so set on you paying that 10th of your income is the other cash grab they are looking for. Along with that is all the volunteer work they add up and then calculate as charitable word the Church is donating.
28:14 we used to be told stories that were faith promoting in young women’s and Sunday school and primary… One of them somewhere along the lines about someone who went on a business trip to Japan and was offered tea and there was tremendous pressure on him to drink, but he refusedand when the other saw was an opportunity for him to say that he followed the word of wisdom and that, even though he stood out from the crowd and it was uncomfortable, he followed fathers, and he was blessed because everybody understood where he was coming from and the pressure was off
From what I’ve heard, hierba mate is now allowed, despite the high caffeine content, but it appeases the South American members, specifically Argentine members. Why not expand that to green tea for Japanese members and potential members? I mean, Monster and other energy drinks aren’t prohibited (or discouraged) despite being packed with sugar and other harmful chemicals.
I think the prophet and the apostles need to be able to retire. There is no shame in that. Im sure there are plenty of somewhat younger priesthood holders availabe for the jobs. They could also have a few more international members be promoted into those positions to bring a little more excitement into the church.
Dont drink cofee or tea but you can eat all the sugar and shit you want and be 100 lbs over weight and you still can say you follow the word of wisdom😂😂...
I'm a never Mo in a Mormon desert. To me, the garments looks ugly and uncomfortable, completely aside from how culty it is to mandate what kind of underwear you wear!
@@leniburnham9219 I have seen garments in person. I grew up in, and still live in Wisconsin. There were only 2 LDS families that I knew of when I was in Grade/Jr. High/High School. Wisconsin is one of the States that doesn't even have a Temple. I think there are only 20,000 or so Mormons in a state with a 5.9 million people.
Please have in the ward radio women on for an open discussion. But listening to them was painful. They basically hate wearing the garments but believe that pain brings forth blessings , which is basic mormon doctrine
People say their church identity comes first, the fact that whether they agree or disagree with church standings always aligns with the social majority of the place and time determined that was a lie..
Looking back, I think a case can be made that Gordon B. Hinckley was the de facto President, Impresario and Handler of Sidelined Prophets for the Church from the last years of Kimball's term, through Benson's term and through Hunter's term...before officially taking the throne as a formality.
I think it is very likely that President Nelson is actually sitting in that red chair as you can see the shadows cast from his form falling upon it. They move as he moves. So does the item between him and the chair, it appears to be soft and flexible, not rigid like a wheelchair. I think it is being used to help him sit more comfortably in the red chair. I don't think a filter is being employed either, a strong "fill" light is being used that lessens wrinkles, but the "key" light strongly models the creases that bracket his mouth.
Hilarious issue with the green tea in Japan! On my mission in Brazil, at mission conference mind you, we had soda infused with green tea (kuat brand guaraná). I did talk to a member who believed that Americans lived a higher law. So there were different views on it but the mission president had no problem drinking green tea at mission conferences.
No reason to forget the fact that "healings" are not doled out like table salt in regard to physical ailments. Healing within Christianity is far from the "literal" portrayal found in scripture. ...And I'm a believer.
I have always believed in the motto, WWJD - What would Jesus do - seriously, would Jesus Christ expect the members of "his" Church wear designated underwear with special markings on them? And, his chosen prophet and leaders of his church make it a major focus in a world conference of his church? Please, WWJD?
@leniburnham9219 Yes, similar to the Church funds - sacred- braking the law for years. What did Jesus do? Kick the money changers out of the temple. Hmmm...
Green tea used in Japanese tea ceremonies is not the same tea that is usually consumed in America and Europe. The way it is prepared also is quite different than the way that tea as we know it is prepared. Green tea in Japan comes as a power. It is prepared in a bowl with hot water and is swirled with a small bamboo whisk. It is the offered to one’s companions to drink from bowls. The tea ceremony is not that old and was developed as a contemplative quasi-religious practice in Japan in the era during the Japanese were exposed to the Christian communion service primarily through the Portuguese who were allowed extremely limited trading privileges with Japan. One idea I might share is that the LDS allow the use of rice crackers and green tea in the sacrament service. Those things would have strong cultural antecedents in Japan with the tea ceremony, which is held in very high esteem by the Japanese people.
I think this show should pause when RFM isn’t there to help it along. I know Bill was having connection issues but he just seems over it lately. If you’re done with Mormon topics, that’s fine. Just start a true crime podcast like everyone else and call it a day. I felt bad for Rebecca. She was pulling teeth to try to get any input out of Bill.
Green tea is a healthy drink. Probably better than coke products. My mom drank green tea and was still granted a Temple recommend. I think drinking tea is very outdated.
Yes, $1 TRILLION Mormon cult Conmen have completely forgot about AoF 13- “We believe in being honest, true .. benevolent & in doing good to all men!” WTH?! 😳😬
The pr team (or whoever is in charge) have been retouching leaders' official portraits for years (decades?) now. I found it dishonest back then (if you celebrate their years of wisdom and experience, don't conceal the wrinkles on their faces). It also is especially striking when you see any of the leaders in person and have immediate 'oh, so that's how you look in person' reaction....honesty in small things matters
3:30 The Church isn't telling people how to where their own underwear, the Church is telling people how to where the Church underwear. Even the underwear is owned by the Church. That's why there is so much instruction about when and how to wear it and how to dispose of it etc.
LDS is so culty from my perspective as a NeverMo Christ follower. I'm so proud of you guys for being the strong ones and having the courage to look honestly at your own beliefs and falsify them holding them up to logic. Not nNy people in the world get to a Fowler's stage 4 in their faith journey.
The old episodes are not so useful, Bill. I find them disconcerting because they are not properly reflective of your progress in coming to know the truths about mormonism and its history. So, I would be concerned that any new visitors coming to see your sites and program, might be confused by the intellectual discrepancy between where your thoughts about the mormon church are now and where they were when you made those earlier programs.
I believe for transparency and for legacy storage ( when I die the websites will eventually die too, whereas RU-vid will inevitably last longer), I plan to continue uploading them
Bill Reel: Hebr 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; So nothing new about the veil.
18:34 What they don’t recognize is that they worship the Sun not the Son. The Sun died on Monday and was born again within an hour 😂. All of this nonsense is pagan Sun worship.
“What it leaves is, it leaves members perceiving one thing when reality is something else.” ~Bill Reel 48:31 Isn’t that exactly what you did to your listeners in your last reporting on the garments when you repeatedly stated that the lds church wanted to control “young women’s underwear” and continually only spoke about the “young women”? Especially when you distinctly and **clearly** know that in lds culture “young women” are ages 12-18, to which no female of those ages would be wearing any garment “underwear” for one; and second, you made absolutely NO mention (that I recall) to the fact that they are speaking to anyone in whom has been endowed, younger or older, male or female. This is exactly what you were doing, Bill, over and over and over again. You call the lds church out for their hypocrisy all-the-time, yet you can’t seem to handle me calling you out on doing the exact same thing since you didn’t allow my comment to remain to be seen by everyone on that video. You and the lds church are doing the same thing, yet you are not taking a look in the mirror and correcting your bad behavior. SMH
As a DOCTOR- if RMN really wanted to make a practical change- he would UPDATE WoW! No Brainer. Instead he changes the logo to bathtub Jesus & disses term ‘Mormon’. Such a fool.
I think it is very likely that President Nelson is actually sitting in that red chair as you can see the shadows cast from his form falling upon it. They move as he moves. So does the item between him and the chair, it appears to be soft and flexible, not rigid like a wheelchair. I think it is being used to help him sit more comfortably in the red chair. I don't think a filter is being employed either, a strong "fill" light is being used that lessens wrinkles, but the "key" light strongly models the creases that bracket his mouth.
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