Top 10 Evidences of Mormonism! 

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I would LOVE to leave all of this crap behind...but I live in Utah, and my whole family are TBMs who keep trying to re-convert me. Now that I'm out, it's such an obvious fraud and it drives me nuts when they try to convince me that it's true.

Joseph Smith was a horndog who used his considerable charisma and powers of persuasion to legitimze and create his own harem. This is manifestly obvious to me and millions like me who are never-ins. But it seems once you are or once were a believer seeing the obvious becomes much more difficult.

TLDR; 1. The 2,000 Stripling Warriors The story about 2,000 young warriors not getting hurt or killed in battles is very hard to believe. It does not seem realistic based on how violent ancient wars were. 2. New Testament in The Book of Mormon Many passages in the Book of Mormon are almost exactly the same as passages from the New Testament in the Bible. This makes it questionable if the Book of Mormon is really an ancient record. 3. The Tree of Life Vision A vision about a tree of life in the Book of Mormon is very similar to a dream Joseph Smith's father had. This suggests Joseph Smith may have based the vision on his father's dream. 4. Joseph Smith's Treasure Digging Joseph Smith used to try to find buried treasure using special stones, which was considered a trick. This makes his later religious claims seem less believable. 5. The Book of Abraham Translation Joseph Smith's translation of the Book of Abraham does not match the actual Egyptian writings. This challenges his claim of being able to translate ancient records. 6. DNA & The Book of Mormon DNA evidence shows Native Americans are not descended from ancient Israelites, which contradicts what the Book of Mormon teaches. 7. Temple Endowment Changes The Mormon temple ceremonies have been changed a lot over time, even though they were supposed to be unchanging. 8. Joseph Smith's Polygamy Joseph Smith secretly married multiple women, including some who were already married and some who were very young teens. This raises ethical concerns. 9. Race and Priesthood Ban The past ban on Black members getting the priesthood was based on racist teachings, challenging claims of divine guidance. 10. Changing Doctrines The Mormon church has reversed or abandoned many of its past teachings over time. This questions if its leaders really receive truth from God.

I'm a NM but my best friend has just joined the LDS church and has started to throw in mission points into our conversations. I so appreciate Bill Reel, RFM and the entire Mormon Discussions crew who bring these issues to light so I can be informed before consenting to participate in an investigation.

The fact that we were taught an account of a first vision that didn’t actually happen. And movies made about it that were completely fictional. Yet we all as members watched these movies like “praise to the man” and believed….

When making a list of 10 reasons in a debate, each one should be nearly as good as the next. Otherwise, your critics will simply pick the easiest target, refute it, and ignore the rest. Case in point... your first point #10, "Survival of the 10,000 Stripling Warriors" is not a strong argument against the veracity of the Book of Mormon. Yes, to a non-believer, it's an obvious fiction. But to the believer, that's the point. The incredulity of the story is a direct dare to the believer. Belief against the odds is the point and purpose. You might as well argue that the Resurrection is evidence against Christianity. That's never going to convince a Christian. DNA, Book of Abraham, Joseph Smith's polygamy and treasure digging, racism, integrity of leaders... those are all very strong.

Now that was profoundly powerful to listen to. I'll admit that the possible AI voice I didn't really care for and would like it better if a real person were reporting on it (maybe it was a real person? But I've not heard anyone ever say Alma's name with a short "o" sound before), yet this was tremendously and increasingly riveting at all the truths packed into one, short video of only about 53 minutes. Kudos and bravo!!! Also, it might find its way to others who wouldn't listen to one of y'all's voices, but would listen to this seemingly neutral voice, so that's a plus in getting this info out to those in whom may not otherwise come across it. 👏🙌👏🙌👏🙌👏🙌👏🙌

One of the most open, honest and direct videos I’ve ever seen on Mormonism!! That’s enough for me I’m out! And on with my life!!!

Great content, Bill. As I listened, I just wondered how you could narrow it down to just 10 major points. I appreciate your research, your open honesty, and your efforts. 🎉🎉

I wish I could leave Mormonism behind me. But I live in Utah and my wife is TBM. I’ve tried to share my questions and doubts, but she told me that she would leave me and take my kids if I ever leave the church. It’s been 3 years. I’ve never felt so isolated and alone.

While all the facts are true, TBM’s stay because of emotional reasons. The facts simply aren’t relevant for them, despite their use of “facts”, in outlining why they believe. It was a traumatic withdrawal for me. I had to admit I’d been fooled and deceived my entire life. I had to admit I perpetuated the lie. I had to admit I’d been brainwashed and brainwashed others, including my children. I had to admit I didn’t know anything and would have to go figure out what was right for me, my “gold standard” having been destroyed by myself. All that was by far less harmful than continuing to lie to myself and the world. How I wish I could have figured it out sooner. How I wish it would have never happened at all. And yet it gave me a loving wife and dear friends. It is my regrettable past.

I had a friend who even tho they were indoctrinated as a child, never believed it... they said they'd sit in church and repeat "bullshit" "bullshit" "bullshit." he was eventually disowned for having a brain, but says he's so happy to have a free thinking mind....

Thank you for this great video! I have a Spanish podcast on Spotify about church history and this episode will help me a lot.

Is there a way to get this presentation printed on paper? Thank you.

Is it possible to get this in printed form? Please!

What an incredible and beautiful job you did, Bill, in putting this fantastic video together with historical FACTS! Thank you for your efforts and that of your wife, Amanda's great voice for this video. It is a true treasure!

The Catalyst Theory is 100% impossible. Joseph Smith claimed the papyri contained the Book of Abraham, and the book itself refers to the papyri. (Abraham 1:12-14)

Out of all of the arguments against the Book of Mormon the 2000 stripling warriors has gotta be the weakest. Debunking miracles is territory that doesn’t deserve our time and will never be proved one way or the other. It’s like when Moroni appears to Joseph, or when Peter James and John came back to give the priesthood. The context of these stories can be analyzed but the events themselves aren’t worth diving into. Although highly unlikely an event like that could’ve occurred there are so many better arguments against the bom. I mean, the book itself is an anachronism since early inhabitants of the Americas didn’t right stuff down like the bom portrays.

Joseph Smith displayed the standard template of a predator. The use of his elevated position as prophet, and as a person many trusted and believed to be the genuine article. Using his position as leader and of God's representative in order to influence young girls into marriage is disturbing to say the least. If you took the exact standard and apply it to other cult leaders over the years you see the exact replica behaviour that Smith portrayed. Non Mormon cult leaders that have used the same tactics for their sexual gratification would be sickened by TBM's , yet those same church members allow Smith to get a pass for the same sexual predator methods.

Wow, Book of Mormon artwork has really changed since the days of Arnold Friberg's paintings of Book of Mormon warriors wearing metal armor and Greco-Roman style helmets, using metal spears and bows and arrows, and riding horses and chariots. In that painting at the one minute mark of this video, the "Lamanites" look more like 19th century Apaches. That painting could just as easily be Geronimo's braves. :-)

In 9th grade Seminary we had to do a book report on 2nd Nephi, I went to the library and looked for the CliffsNotes...lol Hey, I was fourteen, WTF??? lol

Great video. Thanks Bill.

This is a good list, Bill! Great work!

Thank you Mormon Discussions! Excellent video, very informative and helpful (as always).

My friend counsels them now that he is born again, and was raised in Utah.

This is a fantastic recap, and whoever did that narration did such a wonderfully pleasant job.

So the first story about those young warriors surviving battle I thought the story was that God protected them, but if we look at Spiritual things logically the miracles in the Bible are as you say are "implausible" as well

When discussing changing doctrine, it seems that this video mostly mentions changes in how to apply doctrine.

This is fantastic. 💯

Damn, guys. That was savage. Well done. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

I'm ex mormon. The BOM is good for the Comic Book Convention community and that is it!

This is nicely done. It's hard not to be offended by the shocking blasphemies and lies of the LDS church. And then there is what amounts to sex trafficking. 😰 💔 😰 💔 😰 Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who set darkness for light and light for darkness, ........

Very very well done.

This video is well made. Thank you Bill.

Number 2 alone is enough to disprove the Book of Mormon. The most important aspect of the New Testament plagiarism is that so much of it is anachronistic, passages being quoted that, according to the Book of Mormon timeline, didn't exist yet. Here are some of many examples: 1 Nephi 22:15, 23-24; 2 Nephi 25:13 quote Malachi 4:1-2. However, according to the Book of Mormon chronology, Nephi lived 200 years prior to Malachi. In 2 Nephi 2:5 Lehi quotes the apostle Paul in Romans 3:20. But Lehi supposedly lived 600 years before Paul. Alma 7:24 is a combination of 1 Corinthians 13:13 and 2 Corinthians 9:8, but Alma supposedly lived more than a century before these epistles were written. Helaman 5:8, 12 has two clear references to the Sermon on the Mount, but this was allegedly written in 30 BC, more than 60 years before the Sermon on the Mount existed. Ether 8:9-12 is clearly derived from the story of the beheading of John the Baptist (Matthew 14:1-12), even though it allegedly took place centuries earlier.

Very well said. Short, to the point and true. Thank you

The Bible warns against adding to or taking away from its words in several passages: 1. **Revelation 22:18-19**: "I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book."¹ 2. **Deuteronomy 4:2**: "You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you."¹ 3. **Proverbs 30:6**: "Do not add to His words Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar."¹ These verses emphasize the importance of preserving the integrity of the Scriptures and caution against altering the Word of God¹.

Excellent information. Truth

Not a fan of using AI voice for videos like these... :/

I am going to read Charlie Harrel's book. Thank you!

“Secretly approaching underage still going on today

How do you pick just ten problems out of the thousands that exist?

Don't believe anything you read, just pray and ask God if it's true , I did this and had profound spiritual answers, for 14 yrs I still thought but I don't believe in this (certain teachings) I always got as answers with prayer, baptised now

The LDS church has a lot of bad stuff to answer for, but supporting Proposition 8 is not among them. That a majority of Californians approved of it should tell you something. Including casts doubt on the entire video. And while LDS polygamy was bad, current US society has no leg to stand on while criticizing it.

How where these 2000 warriors feed? If you do not feed these warriors they won't be able to fight very long.

Dude. OF COURSE mormonism Is not true. There are a million "reasons".

Is this Rebecca using her sexy voice?? 😅 Amazing episode once again!

That sounds like summers voice

Holy God, let them know the truth and let the truth set them free.

I was always taught that native Americans are called lamanites. Recently one of my mormon family members was reverting to a person as a “lamanite”.

Thanks for the deep dive on a great list. 1. My #1: Why did God suddenly ignore the Billions of good and moral Christians. No matter the purity of the various denominations, most of these Christians were worthy of salvation. For 200 years, why hasn't God tried many ways to reach these 'misguided' souls? 2. A movie of the 2,000 stripping should be made in the vein of '300'. a) '300' is about 300 ancient Spartans/Greeks battling tens of thousands. b) Make the 2,000 movie as homoerotic as 300. c) If they show modern times, the white shirts and ties should be taken off within minutes. Why? That's why screenwriters are hired. Let's hope Bill, RFM, and John D. Are extremely in this seen. Rebecca should be in another scene. 3. Wherever Joseph Smith is, what does he think of being the most disgraced religion founder of all time? a) In the 1820s, he knew times were a changing. The Industrial Revolution was happening and there were enormous game changers in all aspects of human existence. b) He's not just spinning in his grave. He reached the Earth's center long ago and popped out somewhere in China. Those lucky Chinese. Not the same for BY; he's in hell. I believe, like the Pope, that there's no Hell. A loving God would just snuff out these souls.

Where did all these multitudes come from???

Excellent. I actually like the voice...

The BoM is as much history as it knows how to be. Which isn’t much.

Exmo here. Usually love your content but this one seems AI generated and unauthentic.

Steven C. Harper saying its 10% net is fucking GARBAGE bc we were always taught is was GROSS income. Ironic since I'm related to him. He is one THE moet pompous people within the church ever BECAUSE he is educated. His ability to "Apologist" his way out of things is honest to god mindnumbing.

Evidence cannot prove a theory correct because other evidence, yet to be discovered, may exist that is inconsistent with the theory

Every aspect has been built on falsehoods

Read the Book of Mormon and pray about it.

People can leave the True Church but they never really leave the true Church

The Lucy Walker bit is very deceptive. It is read as though it is the words of a young girl but they are clearly the words of an old woman out in Utah. She even claims her parents joined a church that didn't even exist yet (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) in 1832. It was called the Church of Christ. Her saying Joseph told her they would be out beyond the rockies has no support at all. Joseph had a few ideas of the next place to run. Calling the shot like that in this shows it is just the tale of a committed Utah polygamist.

No need to single out Mormons , All of it is a Tall story, nothing more .

Good info but I had to shut it off partway through because of the annoying AI type of voice. Please don’t do this…so hard to listen to!

So her leading point is that what is presented explicitly as a miracle in the BOM is something that is very unlikely to happen without divine intervention. That is what a miracle is. This criticism is like saying the Bible can't be true because clay doesn't cure blindness.

that's the point it a miracle by God

lol bullshit.

Not all of this is good arguments against the church. The tree of life isn’t a good argument. Joseph’s Book of Mormon could have easily influenced what Lucy Mack Smith thought she remembered about Joseph Sr.’s dream. Polygamy and Lucy Walker story is irrelevant to the question if Joseph was a prophet. There is no rule book about gods character or the character of prophets. If gif is real there is no rational reason to think he would reflect your personal values. The race issue as well. There is no rule book that says god himself or a prophet can’t be racist. The Bible god changed his mind a lot, who knows what a real god would do. A god changing his mind isn’t evidence for or against. That people lie is also not evidence of anything. Everyone lies, Bill Reel felt justified is deceptively recording his excommunication church court. Look up the meaning of hypocrisy. Reel’s own dishonesty and blatant hypocrisy about honesty doesn’t mean he’s a bad guy either. Stick with evidence of what can be tested such as the Book of Mormon and Book of Abraham. Character value judgments based on 21st century evolved moral beliefs don’t prove or disprove anything.

No one, ever will disprove this gospel. You can try, you can scream, yell and stand there pleading for validation on your quest. But you will fail. Nothing will prevail against the gospel of Christ. Nothing

I listened to the first two. Lol. You need to do better than that.

Sorry u got it wrong,Indiginious peoples here come from north central and south America, they didnt come from bering straights, but our people went over there,not there to here,but here to there.

Funny thing is… all of these have been debunked! Nice try anti mo mo’s

Ah yes the same recycled lies I've seen on evey anti-mormon video, you guys gotta come up with new material

cap the book of Mormon is ture 100%

This is just presupposing miracles don't exist. 🤦🏽

Go listen to David Alexander's response to this garbage if you are really interseted in finding the truth about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints!

For 20 years, I've been comparing the anti and lds scholars regarding their different views and critics. What I've found was shocking. The anti is just creating a narative where they can get an advantage to get money to those people. Please don't delete my message 😊