Getting your Olympic medal 12yrs later means VERY LITTLE to the athlete besides personal validation. ALL the tangible rewards that come from winning an Olympic medal are long lost! Evaporated! They've lost massive contract bonuses and future contract negotiating power. They've lost opportunities to participate in both competitive & invitational meets *with* HEFTY appearance fees. They've lost public celebrity which DIRECTLY translates into dollars, brand deals, and countless other untold opportunities. These people have been cheated out of more than a simple medal. These ppl's careers have been materially damaged. They should be allowed to sue in some international court with the power to levy fines against offending sports federations & award damages to wronged athletes. Oh and look... the IOC has conveniently removed Russia's ban just in time for the 2024 Games.
Taken it away based on assumptions and manipulated testing to punish russia over ukraine is very bad test them all but 12 year later is ridiculous. Even if they did cheat 6th place? Way pass time. What in 50 years new testing will ban.the rest. This is ridiculous and most likely.politival as well.
Olympic Games in Atlanta 1996. Men's Swimming. Individual Gold medals in Men's Swimming. 2 USA. Jeff Rouse. Brad Bridgewater. Tom Dolan. only (3) three Individual Gold medals. 1. RUS. Alexander Popov. Denis Pankratov. only (4) four Individual Gold medals. Men's Swimming. Individual Gold medals in Men's Swimming. Olympic Games in Atlanta 1996 check: USA 🇺🇸 - RUS.🇷🇺. 3 - 4.
The 1996 Summer Olympics, held in the United States, in Atlanta. The Best Athlete of those games - Alexey Nemov. won five (5) Individual medals, and one (1) team medal. and in Men's Swimming at the 1996 Olympic Games in Atlanta, Alexander Popov became the Best Athlete.
@@jhadebredenkamp97 we cant, but we can allow them to file legal claims that actually have teeth against lost of revenue. No one here is being a snowflake, sunshine.
Are you sure they are clean? This looks to be a Russian.smear propaganda because of ukraine and today a outlawing g lgbt activist at its olympics. Currently all russian athletes are banned clean or not because of politics now they are going back De aides to rip their medals by question able now testing on degraded dames and we cannot question that?
I would argue that rather than being the dirtiest Olympics it was the first Olympics with really good testing. Previous Olympics merely look less dirty because the testing was not catching up with the cheats
Because Flo Jo retired and she was world's fastest & black you are assuming that she was on dope? 😅 Yet we're always winning the races and any other sport's. Your father's are very good at date raping though!
@@user-xm3iy6ht1z I come in peace. Not looking for a fight. Probably won’t respond after dropping this. But do have two statements/questions. 1. Never said none should be singled out. Though now that you brought it up, I do question the motives behind which athletes/countries get singled out and which don’t. 2. Define “clean.”
IIRC, the women's 1500 also from London was worse than this. At least 5 runners (gold/silver, then some lower places) were all found to have been doping and stripped of their medals and subsequent places. 2 from Turkey, 3 from Russia. Don't remember if anyone else was busted or not.
Jamaica’s doping program needs to be looked at and given exposure. There was a documentary done about this subject many years ago but the subject gets very little press.
Seeing Caster Semenya in the new 1st position even tho she's also banned from most events nowadays is wild. Trying to compete in the 2010's as a regular clean athlete must have been impossible.
@@HashBrownDoylerYou need to understand WHY Semenya has high testosterone. The answer is testicles. Semenya has a 46XY chromosome setup, biological male, with a genetic disorder in the Y chromosome, that prevents the formation of male external genitalia. No penis, but also no uterus and no ovaries. So naturally high, since Semenya is biologically male. Simple as that.
@@marcusaurelius5149 caster is a woman, she's not even trans bro. People are projecting their outdated ideas of gender onto men and women like psychos. It's one thing to believe trans athletes would complicate the fairness of sports and it's another to be so misogynistic that you think women don't have testosterone 😂. Michael was more of a biological anomaly than Caster.
@@marcusaurelius5149 the fact that you made that statement just goes to show you don't really know what you are talking about and you're just being hateful because African people are keeping the Euros from winning medals in the middle and long distances. Please educate yourself because if you did, you'd know that BEFORE Caster's ban, it was established that she is indeed FEMALE. PLEASE do your research before commenting and being hateful for no reason because otherwise you just look stupid, which you probably are
_There are so many US athletes used drugs too and some of them even never been caught until they confessed themseives like Marion jones and Lance armstrong._
Yes, I have seen this. Genzebe Dibaba and Faith Kipyegon didn't make it to the final (!), Hellen Obiri finished 9th or so. Years later she got the bronze medal for that. I pity the african girls for that.
Nah bro. This is some bullshit right there. Imagine getting awarded a medal 12 years after the fact, when your career at the top level is over. It's disgusting. Being this close to the podium only to realize that the people who beat you were cheating, Jesus. There's also a monetary side of things, because a bronze/silver medal probably helps secure better deals with sponsors/brands. We all know most of these athletes are paid like crap. Fuck
I hate to be that guy but the athletes moving up are also probably using ped's. Lets face it EVERYONE in the Olympic finals in all events are more than likely using some form of ped's.
Incorrect. They were 100% male. All three have XY chromosomes. They may not have had clear external appearance at birth, but by puberty, they were obviously fully male.
Doping is an ongoing game of cat and mouse that's been on the go since at least 1956 (e.g. Hal Connolly) and, as history has proven, the sport still isn't clean today. The politics of the sport is another issue. They will point the finger at Russia for example but rarely if ever at the USA, which, like the UK, has a strong voice in international athletics. Take for example FloJo who still holds the world records for 100m and 200m, set decades ago.
All of Flo Jo’s records from 1988 were DIRTY as Hell. Before 1988, Flo had never broken 10.9 in the 100m. Then all of a sudden she’s breaking Soviet era Steroid records? The BULLSH!T on her records is obvious.
The USA and UK (and a few other western countries) probably have the most advanced and transparent testing regimes of all countries; not perfect, but the best you can get. FloJo's era was way back in the late-1980s when testing wasn't as regimented as it is today. As for her 100m record, check out the video of it and notice the flags around the IU stadium were all blowing straight out, yet the wind speed was recorded as zero.
A bunch of people are saying that we need more severe consequences, but, I don't know if that would work. I think we need an international out-of-competition testing system. A lot of the current problems we have comes from corruption within countries, and there would be fewer motivations for corruption in an international system.
This is bad, but the worst ever still has to be the 1988 men's 100m finals. Of the eight finalists, only two (Calvin Smith and Robson daSilva) are untainted with PEDs. Smith's bronze should be a gold, and DaSilva should have a silver.
@@peterk3028 He literally tested positive for stimulants at the Olympic trials, and if you actually look at the footage of his interview after, he is clearly wired.
What's up with the women's 800m?! Hoping you'll do a piece on the Rio 800m final, where all three podium finishers were DSD 46 XY. With the recent news that Christine Mboma has been cleared to compete in the 200m, this issue could come-up again at the Paris Olympics.
@@RobertJohnson-bj5lk Christine Mboma is intersex (DSD 46XY), she has a similar condition as the 3 medalists in the Rio 800m (Caster Semenya, Margaret Wambui & Francine Niyonsaba), as well as Beatrice Masilingi, Aminatou Seyni and likely others currently cleared to compete in the 200m. It's complicated but the revised WA rules changed the testosterone threshold, so it will be interesting to see if their performance is affected.
They are male. XY, fully hormonally and biologically male. I have some sympathy because their external appearance at birth was not clear, but by puberty every coach, parent and adult around them would know unequivocally they were male. They should not be competing against females.
I wonder how the passport works. Can you do a video on it? For example, I naturally increased my RBC count by about 7% in 2 years from 5.4 to 5.76 x10^12/L. Would that raise suspicion in an athlete?
most likely not. Let's assume doping agencies test for EPO. They'll have to take an RBC count over a long period time to consider EPO was used. If you have like a time course, or a series of proof showing a natural increase in RBC count over 2 years, it will attract little suspicion. Athletes who use EPO have a drastically large increase in RBC count over a very short time frame and that's why they get popped so easily.
Correct - likely not. As a cycling fan, I've (sadly) developed some knowledge of doping, anti-doping, and human physiology. Some of the markers the passport checks are the ratios between red blood cells (RBC) and reticulocytes (RTC) - "embryo" blood cells, if you prefer. Humans have developed the ability to generate extra RBC (in response to altitude, for example) but EPO and other erythropogenic substances do is throw the balance between RBC/RTC out of whack, because there is an extraneous hormone that's telling the body to produce extra blood cells. So there are too many reticulocytes in EPO-doped athletes (your body would know that it has "enough", so it'd reach homeostasis or even lower new cells). In the case of transfusions, other ratios are thrown off because when athletes remove blood and extract RBCs, body attempts to replace these missing components. So far so good - but when the red blood cells are injected now there are too many in proportion to the RTCs, and the concentration of RBC is also usual (like the old hematocrit failures). So these anomalies get flagged. Notably, you need a baseline to know what the "normal" athlete looks like which is why elite athletes need to be in the monitoring system for significant times before they can compete, so the system can learn what's normal for them and establish their individual baselines. You definitely expect some normal variations as these athletes train, compete, spend time at altitude and then enter their offseason.
Such a thing happened to the German 4x100m women relay in 2001. They finished second after the US Team in the Edmonton WCC and got up-graded to gold in 2011.
The women's 1500 meters in these Olympics was even crazier. With almost 7-8 athletes found guilty of doping including the original first and second place finishers.
I feel so bad for Alysia. She has fought so hard for a clean sport, she’s been fighting this whole time and before the 2012 games. And to only now be awarded her Olympic medal. So much lost with all that time.
This is a very unfortunate situation, that makes it hard for all other athletes getting treated as they are guilty. This is a hard situation, nearly impossible to fix entirely but it is better to correct late than never.
Why does it take 10 years to catch doping? The testing seems pointless as a deterrent if it doesn't ensure a fair race on the day or at least w/in a year.
It’s a shame because while the clean runners may get their flowers a decade lated, it doesn’t make up for potential missed sponsorship and brand exposure opportunities etc.
You are assuming these tests are true coming right after the ukraine war by coincidence? With so called new testing techniques. Even if true they are targeting Russians specifically as if they were asked to find a way to disqualify them 10 years later way past the statute of Imitation for mist things. Can you imagine if they tested and retested all Olympic non russian athletes the same going back say 50 years? And remember those tests are not 100 percent when the specimens have long since degraded and there can be funny business political rivalry going in here. .even the pcr covid tests were highly inaccurate you could take 5 tests in one day and get 5 different results. .i got a feeling this is what is happening they were told to me do testing over and over and change methods untill they got a guilty.
At least the russian women are real women. I became a fan of women's running recommended by youtube in 2017 but not for the 800. I started watching this event when Semenya was gone.
The sad thing is that most of the Russian athletes had no idea what they were being given they were told it’s legal and they could see the benefits and it was only a select few who knew the truth
Why would the word of the Russian Athletics Association be needed to link Guliyev to the other two athletes of that 2012 race? (Not that any of them tested positive after that race, as you, yourself, acknowledged at 2:42 of the video.) If there WERE a Russian state-wide doping program 1) all Russian athletes should be assumed to be dopers and 2) why would anything said by the RAA be believed in any case? The primary "massive, pervasive issues there happening in Russia at the time" were the days that Putin was running the country- What, exactly, is an "intersex racing appearance"?
State sponsored doing is a Russian Federation problem, therefore the banning individuals only will not solve the issue. The athletes must go along with the program or be replaced with someone who does.
If You heard right, Russian Federation they are currently ban from all world events in World Athletics (track &b field governing body) and not allowed to compete anyhow but before ban.... Rest of story.
The Olympics should do it the way body building does it. They don't say "steroids class".. instead they have a natural class. We need to let these juicers juice!
The shame goes even further, those promoted athletes after 10 years missed loads of income because they didn’t get the medals when they deserved them. Medals pay, and for a lot of athletes it’s the only way to get a decent life after the sport, this chance was taken from them. So the IOC and the sports confederations have to look into a system to pay those athletes a fair amount of money, because the injustice goes further then a piece of bronze, silver or gold.
one-time stripped. Consistent use, lifetime ban. As for Castor, I feel really bad. Maybe she was born with more male hormones and reproductive organs and her parents wanted a girl and raised her as a female.
The athletes should be able to sue for lost earnings and opportunities due to the cheating and “programs” designed to do just that. That should include all countries including the USA. We have to stop sealing the fate of young people forced to do drugs younger and younger just to compete.
The whole situation is so sad. Thinking about all that hype that went into this race and all the spectators that watched in awe as some athlete leads the pack in such a way as this. Most of those spectators won't even know that these athletes were cheating (they came, they saw, and they left) which clearly is a direct violation of the athletes that trained long hours and competed fairly and never got any glory. So sad.
Lifetime ban as a deterrent. Same with other forms of athletic cheating like the 2017 Houston ASStros players (unpunished), coaches and manager many of whom have moved on to other teams.
Caster Semenya has an intersex condition, she has XY chromosomes, from wiki "Individuals with this condition have XY chromosomes and normal male internal structures that are not fully masculinised". She has no uterus or vgg, but has internal testes which produce testosterone in a typical male range.
The IOC has stated that they are aware of chromosomal diverse athletes participating and must do blood tests to prove their blood hormonal levels are in the normal range.
I don't know what vgg means and whether Semenya has one, but the Athletics federation has stopped using chromosomes alone for gender identification decades ago after some tragic cases because they banned the wrong ones and didn't catch the ones who had high testosterone for other reasons. The difficulty is that intersex people with complete androgen insensitivity will for all athletic contexts be normal women with no advantage. Therefore the Athletics federation is now guided by the actual testosterone level and the exact nature of the intersex condition. That said, Semenya is no longer considered eligible and is banned from competing in the women's 800 m.
It appears to be rather interesting in that the athletes are not really tested for the actual drug used for doping, but rather the effects of the drug(s) in the doping process. This is not to imply that the analytical investigation is inappropriate or inaccurate. It is just interesting in that athletes should show a measure of consistency in their biological status rather than inconsistency from doping. OK
@@crosslink1493 Americans use performance enhancing drugs for their respective sport, and yet the entire USA team doesn’t get banned from competing 🤷♀️
They should just remove all Russian athletes from all European, World and Olympic championships from 2008 up to the point when Russia was banned. It was a state-sponsored programme, so it's odds-on they were all at it, else they wouldn't have been selected to compete.
They should do like bodybuilding and have separate categories for the "juiced" and the so-called "natural" athlete. Hell, they even started allowing pro basketball players play for medals then we could no longer beat the world with our college players. I bet none of them were drug tested either.
Sadly drugs are the norm now in almost every distance race now another WR or course record both men and women all in recent times, these times are very suspect its not if but how many are on the juice.
Thank you, I will definitely recommend this video to anyone who wants barely any information about this subject, repeated several times in different irritating ways over the course of five minutes.
Imagine if anyone in the Olympics was not doping. They should just make all drugs legal but have doctors monitor and allow a certain level of any substance.
Lifetime ban for sure. As a former track athlete myself, there’s no excuse for doping or drug using whatsoever. Unfair advantages should always face fair and harsh judgements in the end.
I think that any world record that has been set by Russia, or from previous soviet union + DDR and east block countries chould be deleated. There is no reason to have them when it is so likley that the athlete was doped. It is destructive for other athletes that can't compete on equal terms as them to be compared to them at all!
Russia's ban should have been upheld a decade ago. The only difference is that the athletes hear the Olympic anthem instead of their national anthem. Countries with lax enforcement should not be allowed to send athletes, period.
It's like cannabis. People do it, they will always do it, no matter what you come up with to do about it. So you should allow it and realize, like in racing, that the vehicle can and must be tuned to be successful. If this is the case and young people are educated about it - i.e. know what they are getting into when they make the decision - then there is no longer a problem.
