Tesla FSD not coming under current DCAS regulations 

Thank you for the kind words

He doesn't know a shit.

This is talking about L2. L3 has nothing to do with it. It's more a problem of the regulators not wanting to advance L2 any further as they fear that the people will overly on the system.

Rumour was, back in the day, that this regulation was devised (at least largely) by a Mercedes engineer, under temporary secondment. Don't know if anyone has ever investigated that fully. In any event, I believe that when Mercedes are ready with their version of FSD, all the problems will magically disappear.

@@thearab59 back in the day there was indeed a lobby from legacy car makers. Right now, they are pushing just as hard

Europe loves monopolies. Manufacturers have been sticking it to consumers by selling cars almost at production price & making their money on maintenance to prevent new entries. Now that didn't work, their hindering life saving technology. BTW, why aren't ALL system maneuvers in need of approval, like ABS, ESP, lane keep, etc? Maybe because it would destroy their purpose?! 🤔🤦

Sammoe I believe your statement to be 100% correct although Stated in a very politically correct manner. To put it in a less politically correct way, I firmly believe in my opinion that the legacy manufacturers in Europe have lobbied all of the necessary people involved in the stupid decisions being made by the UN and the EU. All the time here in Ireland where the debts on Irish roads is at an all-time high the UN and the EU in their wisdom have decided that it is much better for Tesla owners in Europe to drive around in vehicles that are less safe than the equivalent vehicles available in North America, this is absolutely disgraceful and should not be allowed. I believe individual countries in Europe and the other UN countries should approach the relevant politicians in charge of the transport departments in every country and let them know that these committees are causing multiple deaths on our roads in Europe as they protect the legacy manufacturers. Again in my opinion we are living in crazy times where committee members are bought and paid for by old fashioned legacy manufacturers protecting their business while we all drive around in less safe vehicles, crazy. Regards Séamus Dublin Ireland.

_Not perfect, but I'm already convinced it's safer than person driving without assistance._ I have driven every day for 10 years without an accident. That is FAR safer than Tesla FSD, the simple minded Level 2 assistant that makes mistakes all the time.

Yes, they hate us and our children and want to cull us all. I have no other explanation for this kind of endangerment of us all.

Well, if that happens, I will be so happy that I'm living in Switzerland. But yes, in general, by looking at most people who drive in Switzerland, I would say FSD will do a far better job.

SOOO true, switzerland is chaos for driving.. lausanne to zurich you 100% can get a ticket due to change of speed and the work areas. we need FSD to reduce our risk and tickets..

@@nikolalefterov7472 Just as in every other country. Only very few humans can drive safely.

Great to hear that, i live in Switzerland too. Even if Switzerland would allow driverless cars like FSD Supervised, i doubt that Tesla will release it to Switzerland if rest of Europe is not ready by then. We are just too small to move the needle for Tesla. Even though in my opinion it could have huge benefits for Tesla and training their FSD, i doubt they will release it.

@@elromolus5310 FSD is being trained by using it. Tesla has only a few engineers world wide who train local specifics for FSD. The majority is trained by us. IDK whether Tesla would ignore Switzerland. Maybe they do the other way around? I would make it so: Dear Uschi - see how good it is working in Switzerland and how many dead children you have in Germany. Do you want us to publizice those numbers on X for everybody to see including Vladimir?

You are lost listening to this self-centered jerk who pretends to know things.

I would love to find a way to sue the UN/ECE for the lifes of our children. Sadly i do not know how to do that.

Level 3 will allow for unsupervised while still requiring a driver to take over in rare situations, but not immediately. A level 3 car must be capable of safely stopping autonomously if it encounters a situation that would require human intervention, thus not requiring active supervision.

It’s all good and normal for big companies to have these lay-off rounds. Nothing special here. Just sad to see him go after having had such wonderful conversations with him

That is correct. But the Tesla become fully liable for thecsystem and its behsviour. A step they are clearly not willing to take.

@@StevenPeeters thanks. I would be more than happy with Level 3 and taking the full resposnsibility. My understanding is that level 4 would require the tesla become liable for its behavior. On the other hand, if tesla is introdcuing their plans for the robotaxi, than they would have to introduce a level 4 or even 5 and take the liaability anyway.

@@SimonJentzschX7 L3 also requires Tesla to take liability as you are allowed to be on your phone or laptop behind the wheel when in L3

@@ivanalbreht6923 they are on the Tesla website. Some cars have summon that doesn’t work. And auto park is currently bring rolled out to hw4 cars without USS. Lane changes work but gave heavy restrictions for years now. Not sure what answer you’re looking for exactly

@@StevenPeeters If I understand correctly, other than speed limit recognition, lane keeping and active cruise control are not in use. Anyway, thanks for the reply.

@@ivanalbreht6923 speed limit, traffic lights, lane keep, lane change, TACC, auto park, summon (for older cars) etc. all work but limited by regulations. Autopark and summon are limited by Tesla software, not by regulations. Perhaps you shoud wathc one of the early videos on AP on what exactly the UNECE regulations mean for Tesla. That should make things clear

In 2016, Elon said that Soon FSD will drive from Los Angeles to New York, automatically. what a joke! Nowhere even close to that in 2024. And Tesla just laid-off 14,000 employees. Things are not looking good.

Has nothing to do with Germany

FSD is a simple minded Level 2 assistant. Nothing more. Europe is smart to reject FSD. And I say that as an American.

That will be many more years before that happens

Because that is L3, which is only allowed in Germany. DCAS is L2

Tesla could do that IF they take full responsibility during L3 driving, which they don’t. And 1 country is not a big market enough for Tesla to work on that. They will want to jump straight to L4 probably

Current FSD capabilities within 5 years: sure. True FSD with no one in the car or you in the back seat: unlikely

So you expect self driving with you behind the wheel without any of the current restrictions within 5 years? So no more mayor slowdown at a “klaverblad” or auto lane change? Roundabouts? That would be awesome!

@@KoosGoossens I expect that the L2 Supervised FSD is coming to Europe next year or the year after. This is still with you being fully attentive and fully responsible. That is why I will always refer to autonomous cars as “true FSD”. That’s a whole other ball game

Not sure what your issue is. I have HW4, and I have Auto Park.

@@BigBen621 my issue is the fact that Autopark is a permitted operation in Europe (FSD isn't), but it's not available here w/ HW4.

Sorry, didn't realize you are in Europe

L3 is actually the hardest level because of the switch of responsibilities. L2 is clear on the driver being responsible at all times. L4 has the manufacturer responsible at all times

@@StevenPeeters it is not about responsibility but that this L2 DCAS system shares the "driving task" between human and machine. Suddenly both need to check the mirror before taking a turn etc. Maybe technically the previous L2 lane keeping system was the same, in that both machine and human were supposed to check that the road ahead is clear. However there was never any actual cooperation, because the machine was allowed to brake and accelerate without input from the human. Then we have the lane change, which does require human input, but that never worked that great. At L3 we are back to only one entity doing the driving task at any given time.

Or solution go out of unece rules and makes yours own rules like what want Switzerland

@@fredericmerkel9355 it’s about a lot more than just fsd

@@fredericmerkel9355 nobody wants that. Those rules are what allows us to drive through all of europe in our cars. If every country had their own rules for what needs to be in a car, you would have to change car at every border crossing!

That is so true… sure it makes sense from a money perspective, you don‘t WANT to develop multiple system at once, that costs more , but it still sucks for everybody! I wonder if more European Carmakers go into level 2+ and level 3 in future Years, Tesla may feel FORCED to bring improvement to FSD that is in line with Local regulation, because they are the Company that screams about Autonomous Driving the Most. sure they can go and say: "look at what we do in America!“ but most people dont really CARE, They just want the system HERE to be better!

I kidn of agree. I also bought FSD and I'm still stuck with the old buggy Auto-Pilot, but I think that especially since FSD 12 is fully AI, it will be hard to enforce certain stupid rules or to control it the way it would need to. And delivering a even restricted EU-Version of FSD if this is not 100% stable working would be too risky for Tesla. So my feeling is that we might have to wait until FSD is Level 3 and the regulations will be different.

This isn't about liability. It is no legal for a car to make any decisions or manoeuvres by itself. Liability comes into play as of L3

Well, then tesla could just offer it and leave it up to consumers. People are already doing it in EU by jailbreaking teslas. That'd force governments/EU to react quicker.

Yes, sadly he did. 😢

Tesla demonstrate their system on a regular basis. So have other companies. The problem is that the regulators want to define the real world in a set of mathematical rules. And that is not possible.

Totally different, but also, many discussions happened in the past before these explosives were allowed in all the cars. There will be a day when cars will not be allowed to be driven by humans anymore

Lidar is just as blind in bad weather. It is still light reflections it needs to detect. Radar will indeed be needed imho. Even though the current road system is designed for humans with only 2 eyes, we are very good at adapting to new data or the lack of data and taking other cues for the same outcome calculation. AI is just another computer with a defined set of rules. It's just trained to write its own rules instead of a programmer telling it what to do.

@@StevenPeeters humans are just good at taking chances and risks. We do crash a lot in bad weather. This is probably going to be unacceptable for an automated system.

@@BaldurNorddahl That is indeed the problem. They expect perfection form a system. And perfection just doesn't exist. As soon as the system can prevent 1 more death in traffic, it should be allowed, even if it still makes other mistakes.

@@StevenPeeters Ther are other benefits that are also not being taken into account like the recent story abour a guy whose life was saved by having his Tesla drive him for 20 mins unassisted to hospital after he had a heart attack. Everyone with a Tesla/FSD in their driveway essentially has their own personal ambulance waiting to go at a moments notice.

@@julesgosnell9791 just “no”. This was completely irresponsible behaviour. The guy was not in a stste where he could pay attention to the road, which everyone needs to do. It is NOT a self driving car. He was very lucky not to get into an accident along the way.

You should hate the UNECE instead, because this has nothing to do with the EU.

@@StevenPeeters it’s the EU who decides this, not the UNECE. There are two authorities in the EU for laws, national parliaments and the European Parliament. I have contacted several parties in Sweden and asked for their opinions and I will vote for the party which works the hardest to get FSD legal

@@StevenPeeters also just generally, if you believe it’s some UN bureaucrats fault that we don’t have FSD in Europe you’re widely misinformed in my view. The USA is also a member of the United Nations and it’s the decision of the parliaments in Europe, including national ones, to decide to take them seriously.

@@moocorp4574 no, it is the unece WP29 that votes on this. This is worldwide

@@moocorp4574 ot is you who is misinformed. WP29 is an agreement signed by about 60 countries. US did not sign this agreement, so they are not bound by it. I’ve explained this many times in my regulations videos. I suggest you watch them and learn the proper impact of this